Mark Cuban: Shark Tank, DEI & Wokeism Debate, Elon Musk, Politics & Drugs | Lex Fridman Podcast

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0:00 - Introduction
0:54 - Entrepreneurship
15:48 - Shark Tank
26:13 - How Mark made first billion
52:24 - Dallas Mavericks
57:49 - DEI debate
1:33:42 - Trump vs Biden
1:36:04 - Immigration
1:45:37 - Drugs and Big Pharma
2:01:38 - AI
2:05:49 - Advice for young people
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Listening: listening.com/lex and use code LEX to get one month free - Cloaked: cloaked.com/lex and use code LexPod to get 25% off - Notion: notion.com/lex - Eight Sleep: eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings - Shopify: shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial 0:54 - Entrepreneurship 15:48 - Shark Tank 26:13 - How Mark made first billion 52:24 - Dallas Mavericks 57:49 - DEI debate 1:33:42 - Trump vs Biden 1:36:04 - Immigration 1:45:37 - Drugs and Big Pharma 2:01:38 - AI 2:05:49 - Advice for young people

[@VintageBassArchive]

I'm happy you are friends with destiny

[@allenrouse7443]

Total communist and pedo!!

[@VintageBassArchive]

Destiny debates REAL nazi like James allsup.... you sound further left than destiny @allenrouse7443

[@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124]

Waiting for Sundar pichai and satya nadella

[@deejay7339]

Mark looks like g-man in the thumbnail

[@theMidsizeLebowski]

Regardless of what you think of Mark Cuban or anything he said here, the fact that he created Cost Plus Drugs is a gift to humanity.

[@ABitefLife]

It blows my mind that so many people are so hateful of him when he is in fact doing something positive in a sector that is so corrupt and powerful , just because he isn’t a Elon/Trump goon …. His advocacy for fairness and transparency in such a brutally restrictive and self serving corporate interest sector should be celebrated and appreciated not torn down and bad mouthed because he has a different political leaning than you . Yet another reason why I despise two party politics . Its near impossible for anything good to be fought for when the total aims are for destruction of the other side

[@FailedNBAComissioner]

He lies a lot in this video.

[@FailedNBAComissioner]

This is a dishonest interview.

[@lukeb3930]

Agreed 👍💯

[@writemeyers]

None of his detractors would've started Cost Plus Drugs because this imaginary tidal wave of "shitty people" might benefit from them.

[@JBengaIII]

It is not Reverse Discrimination, it is just Discrimination.

[@milehighyt2097]

Exactly

[@upvotecomment2110]

DEI racism with extra steps

[@dg-ov4cf]

You Sound Even Woker Then Libs, When I Grew Up We Didnt Call "It" Nothing Because We Just Lived In Harmany No One Was Racist Any More Then Obama And His Puppet Joe Made Every One Woke On Purpose Because Its About Control. Look It Up

[@FastAndEasy2010]

Give me an example of dei being racist

[@dunar1005]

I thought the same in the first second, but I think he does not mean discriminating, white people, but preferring not white people. which sounds the same at first but the intention is a different one. The outcome is still bad of course.

[@TheREALTyreeSneed2]

Gotta love how he keeps saying Dylan McDermott (the guy from The Practice) instead of MulV(VEINY)aney lmfao

[@SeenaAbedi]

Lol. I had to google it and then google the name Lex Fridman was saying in order to figure it out.

[@andrewnelson9570]

I started thinking he was talking about someone I didn't know.

[@hansderaeymaeker9137]

.....wth does he refer to him as 'she'? He's either woke or awake..... seems like he flip flops between the two the whole way through the discussion....

[@tagtv]

He said it so often, I started wondering if he knew something we didn't, such as Dylan having also transitioned from Mulvaney to McDermot.

[@J-YouTube324]

Was it intentional??

[@sonnington1035]

I like how he caught himself about tuition increases. He was going to say the real reason and he decided to go with, "Not well run businesses." I always find it impressive when smart people convince themselves the fantasy world is real due to social or political pressures.

[@anthonybrookes7287]

Ooh fancy

[@sushi0085]

It’s due to stupid administrative costs.

[@stevep927]

@@peebrayen6564 He screwed Yahoo out of billions

[@stevep927]

@@sushi0085 Nope. It's due to Obama taking over student loans which gives universities subsidized income

[@cmccoy793]

bingo. @@sushi0085

[@mikemma6695]

Lex been working overtime lately with these guests. Crazy how far he’s come as a podcast/interviewer

[@shalomedome1614]

It’s all pre meditated

[@travisvadnais1853]

​@@shalomedome1614 What you saying it is all an acted then ?

[@travisvadnais1853]

Have you listened to he's first episode on Joe Rogan podcast. Lex is a smart person.

[@sandrawilliams4874]

I think he's working extra hard right now before he goes on his trip to the Amazon Rainforest!

[@holyfook1238]

​@JS71.s That's funny you're literally just mad because he created networks for himself. I can tell you live a sad life.

[@koju737]

I've worked as a pharmacy technician for 11 years and it feels so good to see someone with influence illuminate how fucked up the drug business is. Everything he said is completely true and not some isolated thing. If nothing else, this is such great work from Mark.

[@Singlebarrel2323]

Yeah. Mark fucking Cuban is trying to help poor people. I understand this is a personally important topic for you but you can’t be that stupid

[@Singlebarrel2323]

It’s just a business that makes him money and creates an image that he is doing it for humanity. It’s the same shit as bill gates. Claims to do everything for humanity but is the biggest monocrop agriculturist in history. He’s destroying our farm land while y’all praise him for supporting the jab. Why can’t people see through the Rockefeller propaganda billionaires use 😂

[@allieflounder5764]

Totally agree. People want to hate on him because he may disagree with them. It’s weak because he is honest and does good. Nobody trusts anyone anymore and it’s sad.

[@AfroGaz71]

​​@@allieflounder5764there is very little in the way of truth coming from him. Nobody is tarnishing his name. He did that all by himself with some truely ignorant takes.

[@JohnnyYork]

Pointing out how obviously broken it is deserves praise - so one can simply profit (like Mark Cuban) is, does not. Him pretending to care is simply part of his business plan pitch.

[@Onion_Peeler]

Marks own success makes it impossible for him to live in reality.

[@user-ok5tf6yl6v]

He’s a genius wdym

[@Ajay-up5bo]

The one who acts has an impact on everyone ,while the impact of everyone's action fall on one this interconnection between job,business and humanity illustrates how they are all intricately linked.

[@pallokala44]

Such a dishonest guy. "Nobody is forcing DEI on companies", meanwhile the state/federal government force DEI quotas on corporations.

[@channtastic]

Yes and publicly traded companies have shareholders like vanguard, state street, and blackrock. Your boss has a boss. He has in fact lost control of his company.

[@Singlebarrel2323]

BlackRock and the rest will tell you exactly what to do and if you don’t you better have good bodyguards and a piggy bank saved up to disappear

[@shellderp]

and yet the requirements from executive teams are all the same at all companies, and your bonus depends on hiring a certain number of black people

[@ludwigvonsowell5347]

CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUITS: which are kangaroo courts and shakedowns.

[@GolfNewsNow]

Not to mention the corporate equality index which affects interest rates when borrowing money

[@H20lga]

It annoys me how whenever people talk in favor of DEI it’s always the most vague language. Sounds like it’s directly out of Atlas Shrugged

[@heinrichreynolds7987]

And always looking for moral equivalents

[@RobertEgbers]

It is

[@mrblaze187]

We've had race quotas for 20+ years, tax benefits for hitting certain thresholds.

[@kylewilliams6769]

I guess I just don’t understand the concern about it in the business world. EEO prevents companies from discriminating based on race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. The 2 companies I’ve worked for in the last decade have both had DEI departments, and they host some trainings and optional seminars but I’ve never heard of them influencing hiring decisions or trying to shame or guilt anyone. Just tried to promote general awareness and understanding of people’s differences. An example would be, oh if you are going to take your team to lunch, check in to see if anyone has dietary restrictions before you choose the restaurant, either for religious or other reasons. So yeah I feel like people that haven’t had direct experience with DEI in a company think it’s a much bigger deal than it is.

[@patrickozga3486]

@@kylewilliams6769 The D in DEI stands for diversity, which is a dog whistle for less white people, simple as. SCOTUS ruled that race based quotas in universities are in fact discriminatory. Fallowing that logic, the same goes for all other sectors of the economy. If you mandate that your company must fill a specific percentage of their ranks by a certain groups, that intrinsically means that you will discriminate against others based on their immutable characteristics because you are hiring based on category and not merit or credentials. But I guess there needs to be a lawsuit from each sector that travels up the court system to address this madness. Its hard to believe this has to be explained.

[@mtb_carolina]

This is such a great interview! Thank you, Lex and Mark, for having a candid conversation (with differing viewpoints on many issues), but staying objective and not getting emotional. The world needs more of this! I learned a lot from each of you, and I think so many valid points were made for us to ponder as a society. 👏👏

[@JustinWhite-]

I’ve been #Trump4Lyfe until I heard his opinion on Biden vs Trump, THEN I had a customer today and we talked politics for 45min and she was #Biden4Lyfe….. Now I’m conflicted 😂

[@mtb_carolina]

@@JustinWhite- yes, the part about turnover in Trump’s staff, right? That was an interesting and meaningful point! I find it advantageous for us to learn all that we can (factually speaking). We must be radically open-minded and willing to change our minds…About politics and all things in life. Thanks for the comment!

[@JustinWhite-]

@@mtb_carolina Couldn’t agree more 👍

[@misterwallace3479]

You sound like ass kissing corporate guy

[@mcdiesel7505]

​@@JustinWhite-Nobody 4 lyfe! No Trump tho! Find another Republican

[@z33tanner]

I have so much respect for Lex and the incredible vast range of awesome human beings that he finds for these podcasts. He is a great host with real hard questions.

[@Eric-ue5mm]

He rarely asks any hard questions. Come on...

[@donaldfarmer8421]

Where is Mark Cuban's NBA DEI office. I want to submit my application for Dallas Mavericks center.

[@jumpstart55million]

If you're a white 7 footer whose reasonably athletic, with solid fundamentals and a good jump shot, he'd gladly give you a shot. That's all Dei is, they're giving qualified people from diverse backgrounds the opportunity to apply. And funny enough, what the NBA is doing in Europe by recruiting often white Euroleague players is, in a sense, very similar to most to Dei initiatives. The people they're hiring are qualified, they're just not white which is what rubs people the wrong way. White people feel like their going to get hired out of the economy which is silly. DEI dosent mean don't hire white people, it just means recruit a little more ethnically diverse qualified people. That's it. Anything else is mindless Neo Goebbels talking points.

[@mgscheue]

Are you qualified? If so, go for it.

[@khall187]

​@@mgscheuenothing about DEI says you need to be qualified. That's the problem.

[@WaywardZombie]

Sports is merit based. The premise is the best athlete

[@beansdestroyer]

@@mgscheue whoosh. What do you think the E in DEI stands for genius?

[@thrasher2344]

Can't help but notice he didn't care about the war on information until elon bought twitter.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

EXACTLY!

[@RobertEgbers]

He is so in his feelings that Elon is richer than him. Lightening strikes the same place only once Mr Cuban.

[@JunkieMonkey321]

member how twitter was "private company" and could ban whoever they wanted, including the sitting president, with no complaints from the left? now some news anchor gets banned and the media cries "free speech"... just hilarious irony.

[@dunar1005]

Could very much be that this is just how you heard about it. It’s not like he spends 24 seven to be on top of every topic ever.

[@brianfantana6522]

Even people with 4billion get mad when someone else has 210billion.

[@247todo3]

Really enjoyed that! Mark is a interesting individual!!! Living the dream! Mahalo nui 🙏🏽🤙🏽🌺

[@alexandrebittencourttande3264]

Wow! Really liked this interview! I think Lex is the best in the business right now! He seems to have a way to touch on important points without having to force them on the person being interviewd. It is more like a conversation and, weather you agree or not, it is done in a direct way, cutting to the chase in many topics, but still maintaining comfort tone both to the interviwee (is that a word?) as to the viewers. Well done!

[@acasualviewer5861]

Its how the old time journalists in the 80s were... nowadays all of the interviewers badger their guests with their own opinions... Lex just interviews one guy with one opinion, then later a guy with the opposite opinion. And lets them explain themselves fully. I end up respecting both of the interviewees regardless if I agree with their opinion or not. At least I can see where they're coming from.

[@ruthb8101]

He’s got great ego control, he’s genuine, and allows for organic conversation. He’s a rare podcaster in that he doesn’t need to hear himself speak nonstop. He’s a great listener and he engages conversationally.

[@mcdiesel7505]

@@acasualviewer5861 Lies

[@SECRETPURPOSE]

Lex on DEI: "The shitty people don't get fired." Yes.

[@Steven_Edwards]

So the implication is that all the non-white males are shitty performers...

[@DieTryingK]

In what world does this happen LOL? Like literally you are BRAINWASHED. You think you can do a shitty job andjust keep your job cos your black? LMFAO Please show me which job so i can sign up right away.

[@kcmark3]

Reality: white male CEOs making 10+ million per year and their corporation isn't making money and\or losing money You: the janitor is black and that's not right

[@christominded4726]

The new mindset in corporate America is to focus on the employees strengths even though he or she is toxic.

[@jdbroders64]

DEI by design is anti-white racism. Full stop.

[@WadeWatts-ix6bk]

When it challenges Mark’s worldview: “well there’s nuance” When it’s for his worldview: “I’m stating the objective truth”

[@CMA418]

That’s like every human ever.

[@harleydavidson1014]

​@@CMA418Ummm no its not its the difference between open and honest people and propagandists like Mark and Im thinking maybe yourself...

[@CMA418]

@@harleydavidson1014 There are no open and honest people. At best there are people who are good at convincing others they are being open and honest. And even good at convincing themselves. No one is immune to self-deception. That's something I agree with Jordan Peterson on, "you're not even transparent to yourself."

[@Maxx134a]

Mark is on Biden's side. That's all you need to know how complicit he must be, because he is not 1gn0rant. Everything that came out of his mouth was ambiguous.

[@Maxx134a]

​@@CMA418great way to live your life thinking everyone is lying to you😅

[@enriquecardona1819]

Mark cuben is really good and humble person. I like that he shares his life story without leaving anything out. Good job again lex. You’re getting better and better lex.

[@sylviaowega3839]

This is most definitely a great interview with Mark. Here Lex exposes eloquently a refreshing and different point of view regarding the business and the academic world, politics and culture. Ty Lex!

[@camilkegels3640]

Tbh i'm not a fan of Mark Cuban as far as I know him, but this platform really allows me to way in on the guest and for what they stand for. Lex fridman, thank you, i'm very grateful for that.

[@kristopherleslie8343]

Why not

[@thelvadam5113]

@@kristopherleslie8343scumy

[@citizenblue]

It's sad that most people refuse to even listen to people on the opposing side of their beliefs. It's wise to hear all sides of an issue.

[@billj4525]

@@citizenblue I agree. People who only stick to one side are never really right either, despite what they think. You get a much more realistic and accurate view of things when you're not biased and take in all sides of an issue. Politics is like that a lot right now. Both the left and the right are both way off because both sides are so biased and unrealistic, and they are really only hearing things from people who agree with them, and they aren't realistic on opposing issues anyway, and definitely aren't legitimately listening. Confirmation bias specifically leads both sides to being wrong a lot of the time in politics and basically all issues. Politics is just an example though. Your statement is true in almost all types of debates and arguments.

[@citizenblue]

@billj4525 💯. And the end result is, most people don't realize how close to agreeing with other people they actually are. The more polarizing an issue, the more likely people are to be on the extreme,

[@brhvitor4]

On 1:07:00 when Mark asks who is forcing you. I have one point to add that multiple invest management corps use DEI as a parameter if they are investing in your company or not.

[@PraveenKumar-bo7fw]

They are few and far between.

[@erikERXON]

Mark is a liar same as Lex. what kind of interview would u expect out of two delusional bafoons?

[@anonymeister123]

@@PraveenKumar-bo7fw good

[@user-zm8gk6hv3y]

That’s the right of the investor. I’m sure there are plenty of wealthy conservative investors willing to invest without any DEI program in place

[@jcefalo2001]

It’s true, I work for one and there’s no way I could’ve contested doing the training. Anyone who says they are few and far between or not many do, obviously doesn’t work for a large investment firm.

[@jwsaul]

I watch Lex on KZbin on my TV. It takes time to get on my PC and comment, I seldom do and have never posted here before. I watch many of Lex's interviews, but have never had the desire to comment enough to actually jump in. This interview with Mark Cuban was excellent, the most timely and important interview I have seen here. It changed my perception of Cuban and my perception of Lex. One thing that bothered me was the non inclusion of Cuban's deal with gambling. How does that fit in his desire to do good? Why was it left out of the interview?

[@sheawright5502]

This was a wonderful conversation to listen to. Mark and Lex were both insightful on their own, and respectful and curious even when arguing. I think its pretty clear that mark will run for pres in 2028, and I would love to hear more discussion about that in the future from both sides

[@JoshZigler-kr9mg]

The dictionary is society's unsung hero, guarding words from ideological hijacking by those exploiting our linguistic complacency. Reclaim language, reclaim truth.

[@sebastiansirvas1530]

Sadly, even the dictionary can be subverted (and already has, partially).

[@tr13kymusic97]

Language adapts

[@snicklefritzfry]

Well put.

[@turquoise7817]

yeah, the dictionary given to us 2000 years ago and has remained unchanged that whole time

[@snicklefritzfry]

@@tr13kymusic97"mutates" might be a more appropriate word

[@DonaldAMisc]

1:26:00 It's Dylan Mulvaney, not Dylan McDermott (one of my favorite actors from "The Practice"). 😅

[@creasefold1986]

dermot mulroney

[@jamescarbon3853]

The Practice was so good

[@creasefold1986]

@@jamescarbon3853 the ep with Donnie Walhberg was fantastic

[@HeyCutie90]

Dylan McDermott is now canon

[@boredapathetic]

well i’ve never seen those two in the same room have you? 🧐

[@spudsquad]

Without weighing in on the DEI debate within the comments, its interesting what a hot button issue it is that the most comments and liked comments at the top are by far about DEI. I felt like it was one of many many topics touched, some more substantiative. I can see both sides of the debate, and wish it wasnt such another wedge for everyone to hate on each other.

[@stevem437]

It's because the underlying concept is discrimination based on race, sex, and sexual orientation. It's just done in a way that spins it to make it sound acceptable. I'm all for inclusion, but that shouldn't be something that gets someone a job over another person. It all sounds nice in theory, until you realize Asians who are more qualified with higher test scores, are being denied entry to colleges in favor of less qualified individuals... Simply because of race.

[@MC-ru1jv]

I think that most people on both sides truly want what's best for everyone but have different beliefs on how we do that and agree that implementation is often flawed. Some issues are certainly more polarized than others (i.e. when does human life begin?). Those are harder to achieve compromise. There also seems to be a lot of hypocrisy on both sides. Glad some people can have grown up conversations and discuss their positions without hyperbolic rhetoric that is so prevalent on social media. Thank you Lex for providing this forum!

[@DavidSaintloth]

The problem is for the individuals who are vocally standing on an anti-woke platform. The real racists of the past are hard to distinguish from their own argument and they get frustrated at being called what appears obvious to everyone else.

[@Thnkrgames]

Most people do not want whats best for everyone, most people want what's best of themselves. This is evidence by their actual behavior

[@charlesgallagher1376]

The Bible says life begins with the first breath, “The Breath of Life.”

[@leoskiii5860]

DEI is racism

[@pr1ce213]

why?

[@danj4842]

This week you're supposed to be complaining about squatters taking your homes now. Didn't you get the memo?

[@leoskiii5860]

@@pr1ce213 it treats people differently based on the color of their skin. What do you mean why???

[@leoskiii5860]

@@danj4842 oh, yeah, no I agree it’s terrible to have the value of citizenship degrade in this country to the point where you illegals are openly advertising, the ability to take property away. I think it’s odd that you trivialize it.

[@RJCE420]

​@@danj4842 People who don't own a home don't have to worry about squatters. So, how did you get that memo?

[@loppyloudproductions8058]

Lex, you’re so damn good at what you do. Appreciate you brother! 🤙🏽

[@jesusavila452]

This was another good one. Makes me wish I was smart. But the next best thing is I have hearing and I can hear smart people wanting and doing good things. And to hear a super rich person that seems to want good for all to make this a better world.

[@jeffhaynes1643]

Really good respectful conversation between two highly intelligent people.

[@Esantiago819]

Thanks Lex, for the awesome interview with Mark Cuban. Your dedication to delivering thought-provoking content on your podcast is truly appreciated 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@jannichi6431]

Thanks Lex for memory road with Mark Cuban of early tech successes, especially in Cali & Texas! Exciting and dynamicTimes!

[@TheNegaMatt]

Lex one discussing politics involving Biden: loves anecdotal data Lex discussing Elon: I hate anecdotal data

[@brockgan8941]

He is a flawed human. Thanks for pointing this out.

[@aaron6973]

So Mark basically concedes colleges have an issue but somehow cannot connect the dots that colleges feed people into these corporations, ideas and all. 🤦

[@strykert2007]

Mark Cuban’s wealth is hindering his ability to see reality. His perspective on DEI is both incorrect and insincere. Like many advocates for DEI, he simply breaks down the terms-diversity, equity, and inclusion-portraying them as inherently beneficial. While on a superficial level, most people might agree with these ideals, many do not fully understand their implementation or recognize the potentially corrosive impact they can have on society.

[@benjaminschimpf421]

Very well said

[@foxshot97]

such as?

[@strykert2007]

@@foxshot97 Such as prioritizing certain races when enrolling collage students. On a surface level it seams like a good idea but with a deep understanding you will start to see some problems with it. The Supreme Court already made a ruling on the race based enrollment policies of universities in America and found it unconstitutional. Why should we prioritize one race over another in society doesn’t this go against equality and the civil rights act of 1964?

[@JunkieMonkey321]

its always the same with these holier-than-thou leftists. it was the same with antifa. theyd just say "oh, antifa means anti fascist, and youre not fascist, are you? how could you possibly have an issue with them!", meanwhile theyre burning cities down, beating people, covering their own faces and marching in the streets chanting that they want dead cops. its ideological posession.

[@debbie4938]

DEI is “ didn’t earn it”

[@user-jl7dy1cg6b]

Great work from both men. Lex has done his HW. Mark is intelligent without pretentiousness. The fact that we can "all" access this is a gift.

[@sylviaowega3839]

What Mark say about people getting too attached to a certain platform, political ideal and information is very insightful and true. We should always come in with an open mind and regard everything we hear with a critical eye.

[@loveteamsports]

A Russian and a Cuban sit down for a conversation lol

[@davefischer2344]

Lmfao

[@barnsnoble3105]

Two Russian jews sit down for a conversation.

[@user-bq6vh9fk8r]

@@barnsnoble3105 accurate

[@chrism.1131]

Mark Cuban for president.

[@makinen06]

u mean 2 smart jews

[@midy2629]

We need petite Asian men in NBA. You have a team, dont you? Be inclusive Mr Mark.

[@pepeepupoo]

Don't forget about women represention

[@sebastiansirvas1530]

Yeah, he is just a dishonest hack. He cannot rationally justify his position against woke nonsense. In fact, he probably pushes it for his own benefit and to the detriment of anyone else that is not on board with those disgusting ideologues.

[@NaxorRaxor]

Totally ignored the point mark is making, quite embarrassing on your part.

[@sebastiansirvas1530]

@@NaxorRaxor No, DEI is simply racism at the expense of competence, motivated by a bunch of ideologues and supported by gigantic, State sponsored corporations such as Blacktock through ESG and BRIDGE.

[@sdkfgnrjdi]

This is what I’ve been saying to supporters of affirmative action. Give every basketball team an Asian quota.

[@Broidk-sv9jk]

Every meeting table deserves 1 or many sound proof, polstered phone box. Maybe including a see through glass for the screen

[@DonaldGreer84]

You never know how out of touch with reality a person is until you hear them in this kinda long form conversation

[@Johncandy25]

I love long form. Good or bad it gives a person an opportunity to reveal themselves . The political debate format has to be changed. Asking the most complicated questions and then saying “you have 30 seconds” is a waste of everyone’s time and outdated.

[@mcdiesel7505]

Mark is not out of touch

[@DavidSaintloth]

If you are implying passive aggressively that Mark is out of touch then you missed the entire point of much of his insights. Here: " Twitter is not real life."

[@ColeQuortrup]

My thoughts exactly. This interview really surprised me.

[@brockgan8941]

He is misguided on several things in this podcast, especially on the DEI stuff. But he is certainly not out of touch.

[@RJCE420]

Mark hires athletes that help him win on the court, or athletes best suited for the job..... So why would he DEI hire at the business level?

[@kekaitan]

Like Luca Doncic?

[@claywrangler1993]

bro athletics is entirely stats based. Wtf stats you gonna get hiring the average employee. He's a billionaire seems like DEI is working for him pretty well.

[@RJCE420]

@@claywrangler1993 He sold his majority share of the Mavs last year, so he might be jumping a sinking ship.

[@JamesStakerWin]

The best baller ever was a White guy. Sports is the most DEI invested cesspool of any industry.

[@claywrangler1993]

Huh that had nothing to do with what I said.

[@idatong976]

What a great conversation with Mark Cuban! I love his optimism. He's a happy man who's rich inside out! And thank you Lex for this rich experience. Love it!❤

[@BillPowell-zp4up]

Thanks, Lex, for another insightful listen. Don’t agree with everything I heard but I liked the concepts and delivery. Btw, success is not luck.

[@bayard68]

I don't know if you'll ever read this but Lex we love you. You are a fantastic human being. Thanks for existing!

[@tagtv]

Agreed, what a great bloke he is.

[@user-id8fz5nj5g]

Thank you for the cost plus drug program. The cost of so many other medical consumables is insane. So is the cost of health care in the US. Food for thought for areas to expand into.

[@dunar1005]

1:06:46 well, when a vocal minority has the power to disrupt someone’s business for doing what the majority would like, then this is a problem, and they have to look out to not get in their crosshairs. So he cannot just state that this is their own decision. This is pure victim blaming, why do you give the robber your money you could make the decision to not give him your money 🙄

[@teebagz1]

no. corporations that make a point to operate outside of cultural norms are not victims of anything other than free market capitalism. Are Elan's companies woke? Does the government subsidize and/or grant Elan's companies billions of dollars regardless of how he implements DEI in his companies? Who has been victimized by the government imposing DEI?

[@aliceglado]

God you people are soft.

[@TheREALTyreeSneed2]

​@@aliceglado isn't everyone these days 😂 if you're not soft you're considered a prick loll

[@thelouiebrand]

It is so heartwarming to see how far you have come. You’re an amazing human.

[@matt96920]

Mark will turn himself into a pretzel to not be wrong. Entertaining when you don't care about the topic, depressing when you do. I feel like he thinks things cannot be emergent. People's behavior, company policy, etc -- they're all well thought out, rational actions. What's more compelling, IMO, is the idea that Lex is trying to put forward: company policy, people's behavior -- they're largely emergent. DEI emerged as a sort of secular religion during the pandemic. Companies added DEI arms bc it seemed in line with the cultural norm. It wasn't simply an effort to expand the applicant pool (which is not at all what those teams did); it was to comply with then-cultural norms. And bc they had no practical business purpose, DEI orgs were the first to go during the 2022 layoffs

[@niveketihw1897]

I met Cuban briefly about 16 years ago. In the last several years he's been wrong about almost everything. But the Mavs championship team was something.

[@WaywardZombie]

What's he been wrong about?

[@bryan805]

@@WaywardZombie here’s one: that men can be women

[@liquidsnakex]

@@bryan805 Good job scaring the coward off 🤣

[@jenknippenberg9277]

Kudos to you Lex. This was a great interview. I appreciate that you are open to interviews with people having a variety of views-that is how we grow both as individually and as a society. In order to make informed decisions, one needs to gather all information available, look at both sides of the fence, and ultimately support which is best for society.

[@erikERXON]

...and that is how we fall. enjoy the poverty and disorder.

[@markblatterfein1412]

Lex is great at being willing to abandon his world view to ask hard questions in order to intellectually explore a topic. I haven’t watched a single video of his that I didn’t enjoy. Keep up the great work, guy.

[@userXm7-xm7bz8ki4s]

That Cost Plus Drugs segment was fascinating

[@fcaspergerrainman]

I am 5’10 Asian dude who has no sporting ability but love basketball, in the spirit of DEI, Mr Cuban, please award me with a multimillion contract and play for the Mavs! You mean it right when you said DEI Mr Cuban. Or I do you better, give Jeremy Lin a 5 years contract instead

[@foxshot97]

you saying that means you have very little understanding of or contact with DEI related programs

[@Regalman]

asians are apart of DEI silly y'all been scamming getting fake SAT scores for years and jeremy lin sucked

[@shellderp]

@@foxshot97 nope

[@huntybangz]

@@shellderp”nope” stunning retort

[@genkimachina]

Sorry, Asians have been too successful, you are white now :) Welcome to the club!

[@Robert-cd5zr]

Illegal immigrants may not be able to vote (except in some municipal and local elections), but estimates of the area's population alters house of representatives seat appropriations. The effect is the same.

[@patrickozga3486]

So what you are saying is that they can vote. What exactly is barring them from voting in other election? When they go to their voting precinct will they have special ballots for them? What does local mean exactly? Some would argue that that your state is a locality. Gee I wonder, will they vote for DAs and Judges who are hard on immigration or those who ignore those laws? And whose party those ppl usually belong to

[@WaywardZombie]

This point was already debated on the elon and Don lemon interview

[@WaywardZombie]

It does not significantly change the seats. Elon is repeating fear mongering stuff from Fox

[@beansdestroyer]

If democrats have their way they will be able to vote too

[@sammay9961]

​@patrickozga3486 They can't vote bc they aren't citizens, but they are counted in the census. Bc of this the states they live in get more electoral college seats. This is true, but the vast majority live in California, New York, Texas, Florida, and Georgia, and account for about 1 seat each. Getting rid of them hurts Republicans just as much as democrats

[@StanMAzify]

Great Episode and a great watch, Lex.

[@chitinousbones9230]

Hi Lex, love your videos, I'm a physics and math student (junior undergrad) and your values regarding love, curiosity, and progress are beautiful and I think in much the same way. Keep Doing what you are doing and Goodluck!

[@jkimo1178]

I bet Cuban doesn’t do DEI in the Mavericks, he wants the best person for the job. In addition, he’s missing the point of X -- he is able to share his point of view on DEI in X….. yet the previous Twitter didn’t allow free speech.

[@shang0h]

Sure twitter did allow free speech. People just hadn't evolved their new grifter definition of free speech that includes protected fraud, the right to get paid for speech, the right to not have people dislike what you say, etc. and come up with nonexistent rules like "putting their thumb on the scale" to twist their brains into believing it's illegal for anyone associated with the government to provide information. 5 years ago these people would have laughed at hearing the kind of things they tell each other now, but if you keep cracking them a little and shifting the mold, you can move people pretty far, so they don't ask themselves simple questions like "how come everybody all knows everything these allegedly censored people have said?" that will obliterate their new world view.

[@AskMadden]

Wish you would have asked him how he feels about promoting the voyager crypto exchange

[@yarrrno]

Wow. The cost plus drugs thing. I am speechless. There actually is people with money and power who do good with it. ❤ Mark

[@MichaelHoward-yv2py]

Mark is great. Love his passion for business. I don't agree with him on DEI, but what a straightforward thinker. 100% great episode.

[@johnathan649]

“Trump wants to ship all the immigrants out.” Cmon Mark, do better.

[@ovs4744]

Dude is so desperate lol. Trump bad now please buy my tequila.

[@charleshighland5482]

Go watch CPAC. I don't know what you think he wants to do.

[@ovs4744]

@@charleshighland5482 he wants to P A N D E R

[@barnsnoble3105]

@@charleshighland5482 ILLEGAL ILLEGAL

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

he literally said its "hyperbole". lmao... who come every single one of you have shit for brains?

[@JB-ty8vf]

Lex, the quote you gave at the end that you attributed to Oscar Wilde is actually from Francis Bacon.

[@alexanderprivate7233]

As in "bake-on" these nuts?

[@dylanbond1627]

Mark is spot-on about AI models. I'm a cybersecurity architect and corporations securing their IP in the AI models they use internally is huge right now. Nobody wants someone else's prompt to have learned from their IP.

[@monique4172]

Thank you for your time and this great conversation. This is the sort of debate needed in politics and leadership in general. : - )

[@Howie_2114]

Putting out some bangers lex keep it up!

[@kckoellein]

Boy, that Oscar Wilde quote at the end… I actually guffawed… 😂

[@ecosystems]

Mark, the biggest selling drug you were speaking about is Abbvie's Humira, Pronounced hu-MARE-ah and not hu-MY-rah as you have been saying. btw, love the whole transparency concept of Cost Plus Drugs. What would be killer is employing a COST team of some Pharma chemists and finance folks to work up the estimated manufacturing cost to manufacture (API, formulation, distribution) the drugs based on market size. See how that could add a deeper layer to the transparancy? And who the hell is "Dillan McDermont"?

[@brockgan8941]

You actually have a fantastic idea. Get a team of synthetic chemists and chemical engineers together and find out what the true cost of the cost is so to speak.

[@TommyTwista]

He doesn’t get the impact of DEI on middle class men, young and old. He’s protected from it.

[@beansdestroyer]

((()))

[@silverbullitt88]

I'm a middle class white guy and I don't feel a single ill effect. I'm just good at what I do. If you're affected, it's probably a skill issue

[@beansdestroyer]

@@silverbullitt88 why do i feel you give off the impression of being a flamboyant homosexual on your first impressions?

[@silverbullitt88]

@@beansdestroyer why do I get the impression (based on your homophobia) that you drive a 20yo clapped out diesel truck and call it "success" or bought a few acres for $50k and think you made it? Also, your sister & wife are prob the same person

[@GCInvesting]

Yet his Mavs were the least DEI team in the NBA…

[@joshuakelly9743]

What do you mean? One white guy, so 80% diverse

[@taylorc2542]

Nearly 45% of team owners come from a very small 2%...let's see if he still believes in DEI when it hits his group.

[@chazly30]

A NBA team owner that actually invest in white talent. Yeah, I'm ok with that. Regardless of the BS that comes out of his mouth. Actually, maybe that's why he's fronting so hard, so he don't get called out.

[@joelee4495]

Where are the Asian midgets on his team?

[@Steph1]

Quite disingenuous about DEI. There’s plenty of business leaders that get bullied by investors and other stakeholders to hire specific demographics “or else”.. Our head of HR said in clear terms that every female candidate gets an interview, which is straight up sexism

[@hipreference]

Imagine trying to argue that "the free market will course correct" while simultaneously shitting on any efforts by the markets to course correct

[@petestrouse7411]

So funny how Cuban's confidence level changes so drastically and how his voice gets more shaky when he starts talking about woke shit. It's almost as if he's putting on a performance...would LOVE to hear how he talks to his close friends in private about this stuff.

[@petestrouse7411]

Also, Dylan McDermott? LMAO. Lex says Dylan's full name like 15 times (and doesn't call Cuban on it - classy, Lex).

[@billj4525]

You're almost definitely projecting what you believe about Mark and his reaction. If you have seen him talk enough you would know that you're inaccurate at least about his reaction to woke talk. His voice get shaky and changes whenever he's debating anything pretty much is what i'm saying. This woke talk that all you people argue about is awfully awkward though from both sides of the argument. People are definitely weird these days, and I think we can thank social media for that, the stupidity and extreme bias as well. Young people specifically I think are more far gone than any young generation in a long time.

[@bumperxx1]

He doesn't fully believe in it because if he did his basketball team would have to hire about 25% more white people

[@WaywardZombie]

Hey everybody we've got a Fox news watcher over here!

[@petestrouse7411]

@WaywardZombie I am a centrist libertarian. Lol. Nice strawman though.

[@ecgolds]

Still in the middle of the interview but did anyone catch "Dylan McDermott" lol

[@southernappalachianrecon]

Yeah like 3 times. Mark Cuban doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[@jnc07res]

IMO, Mark Cuban isn't nearly as fascinating or talented as publicly submitted. I mean, he was a geek who scored perfectly back in the halcyon days of the early tech 2000's. He should simply consider himself as such, but in the lonely confines of wealth, one becomes somewhat compensatory, attempting to make up for all that luck.

[@sweeepzone5155]

When he said if he was starting right now from nothing, he could build a million dollar company because he's a good salesman, etc. I thought that's fair enough that he probably could. But then he goes further and says he could most likely build a $100m+ company as if it was just easy. And that's when you know he's a bit out of touch. If you work hard, are charismatic, and get some lucky breaks, you can be quite wealthy. But $100ms takes all that and big opportunities that HAVE to come your way

[@justincalhoun7062]

It’s a shame your opinion isn’t worth anything 🙁

[@jnc07res]

@@justincalhoun7062 I hear your mom calling... something about your dinner being ready.

[@justincalhoun7062]

@@jnc07res durrrrr good one

[@brockgan8941]

He does consider himself as such. He says like 15 times how much of his success was due to that luck.

[@EZLongboarding]

Lex, I live in Boston and work at MIT too. If you have only been to a Miami Heat game and not a Celtics game this must change. The environment at TD Garden is unreal. I will gladly take you to your first Celtics game, especially with playoffs coming around. Let me know and I will reach out!

[@ExaltedMediaInc]

Great catch! Can't wait to hear this!

[@royk.9347]

What I found most impressive about this interview is the seeming breadth that Mark Cuban has over many topics.

[@jjsavior]

I have got to give Mark Cuban credit. Because he gave an answer about DEI's that truly stumped Lex's pseudointellectualism and revealed it for what it actually is. I have to admit there is some window dressing to his answer but still, its pretty good logic. You can rail against and argue about diversity programs all you want. No one can force people or companies to be more diverse. Even if you found some way to implement some sort of affirmative action, these people will find some way to sabotage the program by simply not choosing the best inclusive (minority) candidates. Essentially just picking the first "minority" candidate they see without doing their due diligence. Guys like Lex see the obvious flaw, and hit upon a way to get rid of programs they didnt like from the start anyway. But Mark Cuban hit back with a great response. Ok, if you dont want to have DEI programs, and if you dont want to implement them properly....fine. You will just fall behind companies who actually do PROPERLY implement DEI programs. Great answer

[@regi4834]

I would really love to see more social science on this podcast - sociologists, psychologists, philosophers, economists. And maybe just a little less focus on politics.

[@glennanderson8981]

I can't waste two hours of my life for a guy that says he believes in DEI, but hires players for his basketball team based on merit!

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

correct

[@Heeroyui752]

That means you don't understand what DEI is, only what some right winger told you.

[@ANONYMOUS-pr1zj]

yeah dei is based on merit and diversity. when you have two equal applicants in all possible respects, diversity is the only other characteristic to look for and it trumps the other candidate. its not a hard concept to understand

[@ANONYMOUS-pr1zj]

why would you want to hire a boring man who's never set foot out of his home state with a 4.0 from college when you could hire a well-travelled trilingual woman with a 4.0 from the same school.

[@ddawg3974]

​@@ANONYMOUS-pr1zju dumb

[@abrobot9261]

Lex once again delivers an incredible conversation with an influential individual, providing a much deeper insight into them compared to reels or tweets.

[@Alanrknight74]

I agree with Marc Cuban. Jim Rohn said that sales is all about bringing value. Absolutely true. Value is everything. That’s what real business development and sales actually is. It’s a value proposition to bring value to clients.

[@davidbritton5627]

Great interview. Loved the entrepreneurship section

[@CaptainMyron]

i watched 5 min of his DEI answer and already know he is full of bullshit. He doesn't understand shit of what he is talking about. Probably only learned about this initiative last month. Sorry Lex but i am not giving this any more watch time. You should have pushed him more, you let him slip on 3 topics on first 5 minutes. 1. The owner of the platform statement in regards to Elon has no value or underlying logic 2. Of course there are quotas. Many countries in EU have women quotes and ESG and DEI promotes quotas in order for hedge funds to make investments 3. There is no "reverse racism". Only racism, it is the same racism that always existed.

[@gyros69420]

The term reverse racism disappoints me. I think it's a very American thing, I've never heard anyone use it in the UK

[@CaptainMyron]

@@gyros69420 The term reverse racism is the reddest of flags for me. Because those that use it imply that racism is about prejudice and power, not the classical definition. So there needs to be an other form of racism towards europeans, asians and jews. This is reverse racism, who although they have more power in their oppression Olympics they still face discrimination through color. It is absurd.

[@g0lbezgames585]

​@@gyros69420The term makes no sense at all. Anyone who uses that term has no understanding of how the English language works.

[@g0lbezgames585]

Think of the term "reverse engineering." That's a proper use of the word "reverse". In fact, using fake propaganda terminology is reverse engineering the English language and repurposing it.

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

the russian bots are a real problem..

[@wittenberg5]

I've never seen Lex push back so hard against a guest as he did during the DEI discussion. This is the truly the new boogeyman, even rich and successful guys like Lex pretend DEI is oppressing them.

[@calimolotov2000]

Solid point

[@johncomo3515]

DEI is real and it’s awful Lix was right to push back against Cuban here His historic defenses of DEI are goalpost moving dances

[@thomasidzikowski1520]

​@@johncomo3515I'm guessing you can't produce a statement of Cuban moving the goalposts.

[@jjsavior]

It's funny as hell, I had this guy, Lex, pegged as a eugeneicist long before I heard anything about his views on subjects like DEI.

[@rwwilson75]

Thank You for providing alternative views! You have helped me get away from the negative conspiracies of the right. I feel a lot better about our future!

[@Alster763]

WhaT a great conversation, love Mark Cuban

[@carsonc1272]

I don't like it that Mark described DEI without mentioning race.

[@byronwilliams7977]

He did, several times, and explicitly.

[@a.s.2426]

You mean “defined” not “described”. Indeed it was an inaccurate definition, I think.

[@BronzeYohn]

Cuban comes through naive and simple.

[@beezelbuzzel]

Welp. He's doing better than you or me X 1000. He's doing something right.

[@scottcantdance804]

Chabinesky is his real name.

[@Doomlaser]

@@beezelbuzzel He got fucking lucky in the 90s tech froth. I don't understand why we have to listen to him now.

[@MarkMichon7]

@@beezelbuzzelBetter financially sure, but that doesn't make him right about everything.

[@beezelbuzzel]

@@MarkMichon7 never said he was.

[@reboooot]

I've said the intro to this video for years and all ive been is called crazy lol

[@jirikadlec7796]

Why does DEI exist? Its purpose should be to disregarding mentioning any gender or ethnicity. Not promoting engagement of minorities when there is lack of them -> which is what DEI really is in practice. Big tech companies are doing their best to keep up which leads to having very disproportionate pool of experts in field vs actually hired individuals, leading to discrimination against people with non-minority characteristics. Why do you get up to 10x signing bonus as a black woman vs white man in big tech? This is clearly one of the discriminating policies, yet it was made to prevent discrimination by DEI. And its very common (I would even say most companies have this in practice). Ignoring these very apparent issues is damaging goals of this whole ideology and you're helping that, mr. Cuban.

[@ramsayfarran992]

Lex you have now surpassed Charlie Rose and Company, as a serious interviewer. Up there with the best of their time.

[@netizencapet]

The problem is that Lex's purely collaborative model is useful only for letting the public know the larger context of a given figure's thoughts in casual format. We don't get the needed exposition of these characters through their response to better researched, harder questions. I don't mean the rude, interrupting shut-downs of MSM abusive interviewers but questions legitimately in the public interest. The interview with Besoz was a particular and pointed failure in that regard.

[@danwright39]

Please interview Andrew Gentile from "The Why Files" sometime! Love your podcasts, Lex.

[@guillaumebarrette9040]

All hail Hecklefish

[@travisvadnais1853]

Yeah you should love the why files

[@debrabunger9302]

Wearing a Hecklefish t-shirt right now!

[@drtydsh]

Is this a fucking joke? This is just not the platform for that

[@TheJoshestWhite]

Shoot....is THAT his name? Lol

[@Rackerintraining]

Dude is a bad a** interviewer. Cuban normally annoys me but, Lex asked the right questions and made the vibe real... Just guys hanging out (should have had a few beers, brotha!)

[@BladesDark]

I have a long time friend that transitioned. I asked her, if she always felt this way... And she responded yes but she just doesn't care what anyone thinks anymore. As a straight, man , I can tell you I never felt you could convince me I was anything else. So let's stop that noise 😂 if you can be convinced, there's other psychological issues at play.

[@FoxTashikata]

Have been watching lots of Shark Tank lately. Will definitely have to watch this