Graham Hancock's theory on ancient civilization in the Amazon | Paul Rosolie and Lex Fridman

[@LexClips]

Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYHJo5yffad1m80 Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Paul Rosolie is a conservationist, explorer, author, filmmaker, real life Tarzan, and founder of Junglekeepers which today protects over 50,000 acres of threatened habitat.

[@Science-bi8dp]

300yrs untouched stuff disappears. 3000yrs no sign of old buildings or houses layered in sediment. God takes over if you leave space unattended 😮

[@NUTRITIONALDIVERSITY]

When you actually consume full Spectrum of nature you download something significant.

[@TheMadmacs]

yikes this one actually hurt my brainfeels, like two 12yr olds chatting. jeezo guys.

[@mrrooster4876]

Tell Paul it would be SO nice, if he'd actually read Grahams research on the matter instead of repeating the same talking points that bear little to no truth.

[@aidanpelly144]

I believe Hancock was merely suggesting that in parts of the Amazon the composition of plants and trees has been changed due to human settlement and their wish for foods, medicines, resources etc, not that it was totally created by them 😊

[@nozrep]

yes and that’s the thing. precisely. Hancock has never suggested the entirety of the Amazon. And this guy was additionally addressing all the clickbaiter story writers who then take what Hancock has theorized and blow it up into sensational clickbait making ridiculous claims like as if the whole entire amazon was an engineered ancient civilization. But this guy acknowledges the nuance and I do not interpret or judge that he took issue with Hancock personally directly. Yes parts or some was. And then yes also the whole magnificent web of wild jungle places also continued to exist alongside ancient civilizations engineering parts or regions. Which then all turned back to jungle after they got the pox in the 1500’s.

[@FiloYappins]

He literally stated what you said.

[@locdogg86]

yea this was a great interview. But....he seems to romantacize the amazon to the point where he anthropomorphise's a lot. To the point where maybe he's a little too sensitive about it.

[@LawrenceGardiner]

He didn't say that though. I can't remember exactly but it was along the lines of 'the Amazon is a vast man-made garden'. He does go overboard a bit.

[@Aaron-oe8xw]

Yeah, cultivated and seeded are better words than "created" for the amazon food forest theory. I also think that the word "garden" goves off the wrong impression, because in western culture gardens are primarily, heavily manicured from the soil up, where as food foresty and sustainable gathering has a much different approach and doesn't have the same archological impact as flattening entire forests and building stone walls to secure properties.

[@GITMachine]

I don't recall Graham saying the entire Amazon basin was bio-engineered. I thought he said that certain plants/crops/trees were able to grow there specifically because the people in the region were able to develop a unique type of extremely fertile soil (?). Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@S5King7]

He lost me when he said bananas were products of engineering. Taken by itself, that doesn't sound correct.

[@Fantasyremix]

Yeah it was an extremely fertile black soil if I remember right. Terra Preta?

[@tparker2095]

@@S5King7 Modern cultivated bananas are engineered.

[@aistisnarmontas4515]

Ofc Bananas are Engineered by humans selective growing. Many fruits we consume are raised that way

[@Crazimir]

You are correct.

[@1nvertedReality]

I never understood Hancock to be saying they made the Amazon, just that the jungle isn't a good terrain for supporting large populations and that they engineered a soil to make larger scale agriculture possible in that environment.

[@candyland8903]

He's not saying it was man-made. You understood right. This guy is obv just biased against Hancock and misrepresenting what he says. So many of these ppl dismissed Hancock immediately. They even labeled his series white supremacy. It's comical

[@HD-tm1lv]

Typical strawman argument indeed

[@amb4368]

Which is weird cause lex specifically asked him to steelman Hancock's arguments

[@HD-tm1lv]

@@amb4368 strawman

[@rockmcdwayne1710]

I find many have problems understanding what Hancock actually said, just starting with ''ancient advanced civilization''. He has said it on numerous occasions that he doesnt mean that it was something like what we have today. Advanced in that context means more like... they were more advanced than hunter gatherer tribes as mainstream archeologists claim. Apparently human civilization is much older and it was much more ''advanced'', much much earlyer than MS archelogists claim. Also, if you look at those lidar images of amazon... its packed full of all sorts of ruins. It is quite reasonable to say that, it looks like there were massive cities all over the place in amazon so at some point in history there might not have been all that much forest in that region BUT since it is located in tropical latitude, it gets overgrown very rapidly and couple of thousands of years is a long time to grow!

[@leadslinger5130]

I kinda took from the human engineering was that those civilizations took advantage of the unique and plentiful "micro climates?" That can yield food crops and did so. Not so much that the entire forest was man made. Just that they used what was available to to great means.

[@Red0100]

You just described a regular garden

[@boborappa]

You mean a farm plot? lol

[@MackNcD]

Well that’s not gonna sell the headlines very well “Ancient people: Gardeners?” I mean I’d click it just because it sounds so unclick baity I’d think it was pure, but others? Idk

[@CravenMoorhead888]

Yeah thats must have been what happened, media just always just stretches and manipulates the truth.

[@thegentleman4873]

Exactly this is so stupid obviously it’s not entirely man made, obviously humans have played a role in planting some trees and have impacted it

[@seanluby]

I've read the bulk(edit bulk) of Mr Hancock's work, and never once did he suggest, from what I read, that humans created the rainforest. Terra preta was the soil Hancock suggested that wasn't duplicated. Lex should bring Graham on.

[@jonnydoeson5562]

Yeah but don’t even suggest anything or even talk about anything which could be true because people might use what you said to justify farming. Because science.

[@Tokengesture]

Hancock is snake oil salesman…. Why bring him on ?

[@simononeill941]

why not bring on an actual archeologist?

[@exit6ban]

@miss pancake at least archeologists debate their theories with other archeologists. graham Hancock only shows evidence to help his theory, while ignoring all the loads of evidence against it.

[@Jusvidz]

@miss pancake Real scientists are more interesting because their theories are evidence based. Hancock is all confirmation bias and no rigour.

[@henrymach]

"There must be examples of cities that have been left unattended for a few decades"... Well, there's Detroit...

[@PrinceAsmodeus]

Detroit is still here. It ain't all bad.

[@WeighedWilson]

Chernobyl comes to mind

[@zab1142]

There are cities in Africa that were largely abandoned during decolonization. Many have been reclaimed but a few are still abandoned and reclaimed by nature instead.

[@Crossfirev]

​@@PrinceAsmodeus - says the prince of hell. Oh the irony 🤣

[@PrinceAsmodeus]

@@Crossfirev you do know all that stuff was made up by semi literate midwits in the bronze age, right? Here you are in 2024, thinking like a goat herder with an extra chromosome

[@Fantasyremix]

Would love to see Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson on here (separately and then possibly together). I think Lex could take the time to make sense of the sacred geometry stuff that goes over everybody else's head when they interview Randall.

[@MrShanester117]

It’s all 1000% nonsense

[@akatsukiawsome13]

@@MrShanester117 The ancient structures certainly aren’t, and they definitely made use of sacred geometry, although it’s anyone’s guess as to why. Which is why it is worth trying to do stuff with it rather than ignoring it or writing it off as “pretty shapes”. But that’s just my opinion 💃

[@the_endgame]

​@@akatsukiawsome13 it's considered sacred after the fact that they were built. Most ancient complexes are asymmetrical.

[@daycrow8651]

​@@the_endgameit is hard for western people to comprehend the things exist that aren't scientifically proven. Which is odd considering the entirety of human existence not operating under the extremely limited European model

[@JustDaniel6764]

​@@MrShanester117No 1000% is nonsense.

[@talcoprentice7292]

Chernobl is a great example of nature reclaiming her own Great content 👌

[@Skabanis]

Great example

[@anteep4900]

Agreed. Fauna and flora. The dog meat there is exquisite too

[@davidwarburton2915]

Hancock makes it pretty clear in his Netflix show, he doesn’t think the advanced civilization was as advanced as we are now. He doesn’t think they went to the moon. I understand his theory to be that the ancient civilization was essentially at ancient Rome’s level prior to the last Ice Age. Ancient Rome with a better ability to navigate the oceans.

[@canaans1]

It really doesn't matter what Hancock says when he has no evidence for his claims. He may as well be telling us about his trips or dreams.

[@EastlakeRasta7]

​@@canaans1 at least someone's challenging the narrative npc

[@dotlam888]

​@@canaans1keep believing what you read in your textbooks

[@canaans1]

@dotlam888 why is it if I end up with a diff opinion than you I'm a sheep or whatever. I havnt read any books just looked at multiple angles and formed my own educated opinion. You keep believing what you are told I guess without researching it yourself.

[@schoolkillah]

damn lex looks like he been in a 9h podcast non stop

[@rosgill6]

he's being held hostage by his other, even quieter personality

[@jamesparker1071]

Baked.....

[@terpz47]

Bro was stressin hard when the clip first started😂

[@oliwakulla3341]

Big money no wonder. It's about money.

[@anteep4900]

he needs oil change

[@mikeunleashed1]

I'm glad more people in the comments here are starting to catch onto Graham Hancock's nonsense claims. For those that still believe them, go check out a youtuber called potholer, two of his most recent videos are about Graham Hancocks claims, he dismantles them logically and factually without any personal attack towards Graham Hancock himself.

[@sitindogmas]

If you've ever seed a 5,10 acre garden plot being reclaimed by nature after 30 year's, it's possible. if there was hundreds or thousands of plots with varying cultivated fruits, nuts, veggies and resource plants and it was reclaimed by nature, just saying I can see how it's possible to a degree

[@garyfrancis6193]

“ ever seed”? I have never seen anyone as ignorant as this.

[@warbler1984]

Possible...yes...but not probable

[@DaHamburglarGT]

I mean, there are dozens of examples of individuals changing desert landscapes into forests in just a few decades. The Amazon basin could've been maintained by man burning ground cover that opened the canopy to additional growth. Canopy systems require maintenance (burning ground cover).

[@NUTRITIONALDIVERSITY]

Consume the nature for it's nutrition .... Get a complete Spectrum AND know a fuller picture.

[@sitindogmas]

very probable, 50/50 utilizing the native plants and given the tera perta, existing pockets of cultivate soil found all over the Amazon that appear to be the result of a composting technique

[@tobysabie1853]

I've been reading, listening, and watching Mr Hancock since this 90's. He never gets old, and he continues to be a trailblazer imo.

[@waycam77]

Hancock is a charlatan and preys on gullible people

[@T_J_]

Hancock's a fraud. Go check potholer54's assessment of him. And, you're welcome.

[@MackNcD]

Yes and he is so popular that claiming he and his family are white supremacists sells clicks

[@tobysabie1853]

Really? Please provide evidence?

[@brianburke2760]

@@MackNcD just because you think civilization is older than we currently thought doesn't mean you're a white supremacist silly... Thats just people trying to black list him

[@NitroNEXT]

I think a key missing point here is that places can become slowly buried over time. Many uncovered ancient buildings were found buried underground.

[@mattslev]

They alluded to this several times.

[@jonathansoko1085]

They literally never said otherwise, nitro.

[@t-mac1236]

Fascinating men having a conversation. Podcasts don’t get any better than this! Can’t remember the last time I haven’t been completely locked into a podcast from Lex. One thing I absolutely love about Lex and his podcasts is that he comes STRAPPED with questions and talking points. Lex is most likely an introvert and he does more as a “safety blanket” for lack of a better words but it highly contributes to the quality of the podcast. Not enough podcasters do this. They think they can wing it and make a good episode.

[@cassioeduardo4812]

You are asolutely right. Each and everyone of the questions and answers surprised me.

[@jostewart554]

Being such an intelligent man I'm sure he's read Paul's book and that's why he has the right kinds of questions to ask Paul. Most smart people read books. Paul's book would be amazing to read. What a life he's already lived.

[@CaptainManic2010]

The Amazon obviously has human intervention/engineering involved. They've found patches of that special carbon soil in places, they've found abundant food crops planted through out....at the very least humans were encouraging the growth of certain plants and killing off less edible ones. It's an incredible forest.

[@mud5377]

Terra Preta!

[@supermadhujya1]

great_job_smart_ass

[@theblackgods4699]

Yah but they still didn't create it they influenced it

[@mud5377]

@@theblackgods4699 Oh I think we can give them terra preta, whoever they are. As far as I know we're well aware of how great the stuff is and that there's A LOT of it that still produces bananas and is fertile after all this time, BUT we don't know exactly how to replicate the process. Of course you can also call that "influence" as opposed to "creation", but I personally think that soil modification or "agricultural engineering" as they referred to in the video is an incredible feat up there with Roman concrete or somethin. Also, please correct me if someone has figured out how to replicate that process cause it'd been a while since I've heard anyone talk about it or even working on the problem.

[@CravenMoorhead888]

@@mud5377 yes the knowledge has never been lost, it’s incredible but quite a simple process

[@SB-yf6tu]

Probably listened to the entire podcast via these clips 😆 fascinating guest loved this one 👏

[@jostewart554]

I agree. He's fascinating. I have watched many shorts and clips of this interview. I just find Paul Rosolie so interesting and I could listen to him for hours. But then I take a look and see that the interview is 3 & 1/2 hours long and I just can't watch for that long. I've started but I'm still watching the shorter clips.

[@m00njaguar]

When they discussed how long it would take for nature to erase a modern city after it is abandoned, I remembered that one good example of this does exist: the city of Chernobyl. Evacuated and abandoned in 1986 after the nuclear accident, the buildings are mostly still standing and in decent shape, with some more damaged than others. Lots of modern interior devices & details can still be seen. Metal features in the outdoors are worse off, rusting and falling apart. 37 years later, Chernobyl is still mostly recognizable as a human habitation, somewhat less damaged due to the colder climate of Ukraine. Unlike abandoned cities in the tropics, like Tikal, Copán, and Angkor Wat, which get quite rapidly covered in trees and vegetation, deteriorating faster from greater humidity and heat.

[@stevegurgon]

When it’s all said and done .. we don’t know much, do we?

[@makemarker]

Nothing and we are almost complete dumb-asses ..

[@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom]

No we don’t, but that fact still hasn’t stopped most of the people in these comments from pretending they’re experts.

[@MackNcD]

@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom We didn’t even know there were galaxies spinning as if ornaments on the threads of the invisible christmas tree that is the universe, 100 years ago. We are babies taking wobbling steps out of the cradle, relatively speaking.

[@JohnTurner-j4n]

He didn't even say that 🤣

[@halbertking2683]

" 1491 " had a chapter about parts of the Amazon had the soil built up with bio-char , pottery shards and animal bones .

[@warbler1984]

Yeah parts...Hancock says the Amazon is a man made garden...like massive garden...ridiculous

[@halbertking2683]

@@warbler1984 " yea , parts " , I agree with that .

[@mrrooster4876]

@@warbler1984 No, it's not what he's said, it's taking what he said and massively exaggerating it, you like Paul, should actually read the research. Because repeating things so easily disproven makes you a moron.

[@EastlakeRasta7]

​@@warbler1984 if you were a guest visiting my house and I was telling you that my garden is part of my yard would you assume my garden is my yard or would you assume a large portion of my yard is my garden???

[@realpolitiksanta5980]

Hancock NEVER said the Amazon was a man-made garden.

[@harrygreb3457]

Yes he did, go back and watch his episode of JRE he said " the Amazon is basically a man made garden"

[@codysampson8614]

Yeah he kinda did lol

[@user-ns3vs3bp3e]

Hancock’s logic is “there’s too many productive plants/trees for it to be not man made” as through the plants and trees producing fruit wouldn’t absolutely dominate through their natural spread with animals eating the fruit and spreading the seeds. They’d be at such a huge advantage over other species that of course they’d have a higher density compared to none food producing species.

[@wckdaintgood]

Well Graham didn’t say it was completely a man made garden. He was saying it’s weird that there’s plants and trees that aren’t suppose to be there and that they were clearly brought here from someplace else.

[@wckdaintgood]

@@warbler1984 You clearly put it into the wrong context then bc he clearly explains what he said.

[@deepg7084]

@@wckdaintgood Then provide a link to the clip where he discusses it. Maybe it is your interpretation that is incorrect. Or perhaps you're merely regurgitating someone else's post. This is how lies and misinformation spread.

[@wckdaintgood]

@@deepg7084 It was the first solo Joe Rogan podcast he did. He clearly explained it.

[@deepg7084]

@@wckdaintgood My bad I meant to reply to the other guy. There are so many people here misinterpreting what Graham said or flat out lying about what he said.

[@wckdaintgood]

@@deepg7084 Ikr he deleted his comment so he clearly knows he had no idea what he was talking about 😂

[@stirfrywok2927]

Very interesting interview. I think in Cambodia in the 70s during Pol Pot's ridiculous escapades, Phnom Penh went almost completely wild in 2 years. I heard people describing how the jungle almost took it back

[@eyeballjellyforbreakfast]

Can confirm look up angkor thom

[@fozzz-vb5oj]

Very Interesting FAKE THUMBS UP AND COMMENT$$$$$$$$

[@TitanLRV]

@@fozzz-vb5oj lmao what makes you think its fake??

[@palestalemale8831]

​@@TitanLRV they joined one month ago. It's just another troll.

[@A_Goat]

​@@palestalemale8831 Seems that if you really had a point to refute what he actually said then you would have just said it. I mean really, what is that logic? One month account just automatically means he's a troll so no need to make a single point or even elude to what you disagree with? What about his comment even infers that he is trolling? You literally contributed nothing lmao

[@-NoneOfYourBusiness]

I cannot believe none of these two guys had read The World Without Us by Alan Weisman who asked to the best engineers, scientists, etc what would happen to earth and civilization traces if humanity disappeared suddenly and how fast. Its probably the best book on the topic by a mile.

[@theblackgods4699]

Interviews with experts are not proof of what would actually happen just a bunch of educated guesses

[@SpeakerOfWords]

No one can really know because there won't be anyone to know it

[@-NoneOfYourBusiness]

@@theblackgods4699 Just get the ebook or audio. Its really good and it had quite an impact on me. No preachy/climate change, etc political rant. Just hard science: What happens if you remove humans instantly. Really good read. I could have answered to Lex's questions because of that book.

[@warbler1984]

The book may be interesting but it's no more of an endorsement of Hancocks ideas than anything else...Hancock takes a kernel of truth and goes way overboard

[@-NoneOfYourBusiness]

@@warbler1984 Dude, the first print of this book was in 2007 and has nothing to do with "Ancient Civilizations" stuff. Weisman, a scientific journalist, simply asked some of the top experts in their fields to explain what would happen to man-made structures, cities, power plants, etc and how fast nature would wipe them out. And it will. But I know which one will be there the longest and why. Lex doesn't ; )

[@theduppykillah]

My understanding is that the Amazon prior to the end of the Ice Age was mostly grasslands and savanna…there are cave paintings that clearly depict animals roaming on grasslands…”Johnny Appleseed “ was an actual person who planted thousands and thousands of trees, it’s not a stretch to imagine purposeful horticulture in the Amazon

[@HIGH_noon]

or that they used/created a super soil and when they died off nature took over and had a cheat code using that soil to flourish which nature wants to live not die so its in its LOL "nature" to thrive off that soil and as a result you get the AMAZON

[@MackNcD]

Johnny Appleseed should have been Johnny peach seed since apple trees don’t reproduce edible apple-fruiting trees by the seed. Peaches do though. Imagine if we had nearly endless peach forests… I will admit though that crab apple trees are everywhere, and someone nudging that forward wouldn’t surprise me. Peaches are the perfect fruit for this idea of just roaming and planting and gifting humanity forever

[@Theactivepsychos]

Minimiuteman on KZbin is an archeologist who debunks much of what hancock claims. He’s one of the best presenters of archeological information.

[@Theactivepsychos]

@@TheCriticalArchitect Newton was about that age when he wrote a new mathematics. Age and travel don’t have a lot to do with finding out information and facts.

[@rhysjones8105]

His age and direct experience isn't that relevant imo, I just personally found his analysis/debunking to be unconvincing

[@Theactivepsychos]

@@rhysjones8105 how so? I mean he brings up so much data and sources to reference so you can check stuff. Most of the “debunking” isn’t even archeology but grahams claims about archaeologists. Like when Graham says archaeologists are closed minded and then he shows how they have changed their thinking of specific claims based on the evidence multiple times over the century or so of its existence. I’m really keen to know exactly what you find unconvincing and why.

[@reptilian_geneticist]

It's not that the Jungle itself was man made, but the beneficial plants (fruits,vegetables, etc) were selected and less desirable plants were removed in very large areas... Think of it as a natural garden, once enough mangoes or whatever are planted nobody has to actually take care of them... They just grow naturally in the jungle... its not the same as a regular garden that has to be watered or maintained... its turning the jungle into a natural garden that nobody has to manage but grows more than enough for everyone to eat

[@mausperson5854]

Anyone who uses the word ridiculous with respect to unconventional hypotheses on origins, while holding that the universe was contrived by an immaterial being outside of spacetime, has some serious self reflection to do.

[@PrinceAsmodeus]

Ridiculous

[@Username-nu8el]

You can have different hypotheses but the problem with Hancock is that he has literally zero proofs. And archeology is probably one of the most pragmatic discipline out there. Also there is not a conspiracy made by "mainstream" archeology, when we don't know how stuff was made we just say "we don't know" and wait for solid proofs.

[@mausperson5854]

@@Username-nu8el Agreed, for the most part - the null hypothesis is my default position. I'm not suggesting Hancock has it right. Yet, none of the conclusions he has arrived at in evaluating his research requires appeals to the supernatural. My point is that it is far less ridiculous to entertain the possibility of say panspermia (which requires no break from methodological naturalism) than it is to embrace an unfalsifiable proposition. He's being far to charitable with his credulity and not in the least bit consistent in his scepticism.

[@Username-nu8el]

@@mausperson5854 The supernatural stuff is not important. We must treat his hyphotesis just like any other one (example of hypothesis: the chineses had an empire that reached modern day Australia and they brought their culture and agricolture in that region. Do we have any proof of that? No. That's the most important point. No matter how silly the hypothesis is, it is all about proof. Without this scientific mindset we would be lost.

[@mausperson5854]

@@Username-nu8el The 'supernatural stuff' has everything to do with it, because we don't have a scientific method for verifying or falsifying supernatural claims. As flaky as Hancock's postulates are, they are, at least in principle, falsifiable and consequently less 'ridiculous' than the god hypothesis. My point in the OP is in line with Hume's statement that "no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavors to establish".

[@pinchnloaf]

Graham didn’t say that people made the Amazon. He said that human civilizations changed the type of plants and trees that grew there

[@Defort-jd8xe]

and grass is green, the sky is blue and they eat rice in China. Graham Hancock has so much wisdom, wow.

[@SecretState]

I love the way the better we get in the future of tech the further back we can go for NEW information..amazing ✌️💚

[@kylearendt8299]

"There's no ridiculous in Science" This statement is only said by people who practice science, not the people who follow it.

[@mtmadigan82]

The jungle is scary. With the us military we've trained in many deep jungle areas. Prepped, equipped, and with drones and surveillance aircraft. And its difficult, movement can be marked in meters per day if your going off established routes, rivers, animal trails. While an astonishing number of the animal and plants there could seriously fck you up. You can barely see a few feet in front of you constantly, its claustrophobic. This doesn't help if you let your mind go thinking about something dangerous in arms reach and you don't know it. You could pass by buildings/people/other remnants of a civilization and never know it. Theres times and places that could be a hundred miles in every direction that theres no known people or even any knowledge of people in modern times going through. Think about it, an area the size of rhode island that people havent been through, or very few, in a century. And some is so impassable that anything short of a large engineering group literally clearing the land as you go would be the only way to explore it. I've got no ideas on what lies in any of of that, at the minimum theres undoubtedly plant and animal species never seen before. Its just wild even now theres huge areas that we know almost zero about.

[@Inksess]

Rainforests cover 3% of earth's surface. That's not a huge area. While I understand and agree with the sentiment. There isn't actually much of these places left.

[@DetectiveTrupo203]

One time during night land nav a huge animal came running through the forest towards me, it was completely dark that night, no natural lum, I couldn't see a thing. The animal was crashing through branches and brush, it passed by me so close I could feel the wind come off it, I still have no idea what it was. This was in North Carolina in March.

[@jccusell]

2:47 - 2:49 is the perfect symbol of what science has become. that reaction says everything.

[@sirisrex7542]

lex trying to entertain the idea while knowing absolutely nothing is the real problem. the scientific process is working just fine

[@zerthur]

While I also find some claims to be over the top, Hancock suggests that there seems to be lost technology that we simply dismiss as, "Pft, ancients can't do that." - yet, we can't figure them out. So it's all ironic. To me, we sound like the cockiest civilization, that no one before us was better than us.

[@KarmaKahn]

In terms of technology we are hands down at our most advanced in the present. Nothing suggests otherwise. Just think of something like the Large Hadron Collider, the most complex piece of machinery ever built. Not only is it a scientific and engineering marvel, but also only made possible because of intergovernmental cooperation.

[@whiteowl87]

Natives in the entire western hemisphere made massive gardens and orchards. When Europeans arrived in north America the place was overgrown bc of diseases wiping out tribes before they even got there. That's where the, "Oh, there's no one here and it's unspoiled." They couldn't comprehend it was all tended to. The story keeps going to this day

[@xLAPPUINx]

The idea is that the dirt and some of the plants in the area were fashioned by man, most probably with help from those who built those incredible structures. When you look at the structures man tried to add on, we couldn't come close to what came before. Unmistakable how we could improve on nothing they built.

[@brianjacob8728]

modern society hasn't been trying to improve on what was there. Burning down the rainforest to raise cows or a couple of seasons of soybeans has been a huge misstep.

[@joeyfung-i]

Absolutely beautiful interview!!! You really made my Easter week Lex. Great topic and even better guest. Thank you so much for what you do Alex! And Paul is beautiful human…. One of a kind!

[@kurt2612]

When this man says "where I take offense"... and "it is not true." Wow... that was a ridiculous set of statements. Clearly, this person did not listen to exactly what Hancock said. I am shocked that Lex allowed this guy to call it false without checking the actual statements Hancock made.

[@fluxcore5642]

Graham gets you to think and that’s why I love him. “Truth is stranger than fiction”

[@whatisbestinlife8112]

Whether you agree with Hancock's assertions or not, Rosolie objectively misrepresents or misunderstands (to be charitable) what Hancock does say.

[@giespouwen8091]

Hancock was talking about some inhabited area’s in the amazon where they made artificial soil to grow crops not the entire amazon

[@Del_116]

That’s almost all the Amazon has that soil

[@tparker2095]

@@Del_116 Please provide data on the distribution of Terra-Preta in the Amazon.

[@Del_116]

@@tparker2095 just google it nat geo just did a doc .. seen everywhere they are finding new the oldest settlements have this soil . Rubber people and alll that ..

[@CravenMoorhead888]

@@tparker2095 Many parts were inhabited for extremely long time. Many used agriculture and farming to source food for whatever reasons. If people found ways to make tera preta. I assume the knowledge would have spread like wild fire… ( pun intended) and and through the decem millenniuums it could have coated the landscape

[@CravenMoorhead888]

@@tparker2095 since it was said to be man made the data you would want could be the distribution of the many populations there and for how long 👍🏽

[@EverydayImTECHnIt]

Like seriously how can you both get what Graham said so wrong what he was saying is that they re-planted food bearing trees & plants in the rainforest, creating like a natural forest garden and on a massive scale in the Amazon which if you actually look into what they're currently doing to today and exploring very seriously and experimenting with in Europe, literally creating food forest in the artificially planted wood and harvesting the food because many different food bearing plants and trees actually grow better in a modified forest climate according to their research rather than straight mono cropping. I'm not saying I totally agree with this, as far as in a total solution to all our problems in current times to do something like this. I think it would be very hard to scale in current times Definitely very interesting research but yeah, both of you type in food forest in Europe you just completely twisted Graham words taking him completely out of context because you read it in an article it must be true. Graham definitely didn't write that article try like listening to what he said in its entirety would only take like two minutes because this is definitely not his theory it's laughable that you think that that's what he was saying kind of shows you're just reading the headlines.

[@jeztrplays]

ive been to a city near louisville where teddy roosevelt visited. had the first public pool and hotel/small town zoo. when i got there you could only tell there was a pool foundation everything else not there without a trace in less than 100 years. insane to think about ancient civilization like egypt with that perspective. they couldve had a super computer and we wouldnt even have known in the amount of time its been and its not even close. thats why the ancient structures and stuff we do find is so crazy and likely the less complex durable things we do find

[@trout3685]

Stop, please stop. Go actually do research and learn about their cultures and what objects we do have to study. Stop fantasizing about them being advanced it's pathetic.

[@craigr4763]

Suggesting that we should avoid speaking about something which may be true because of the potential political ramifications is not empirical. Science should be about truth and truth only.

[@jazztheglass6139]

Mousepox was genetically altered in a lab about 20 years ago. It was made significantly more virulent re mice. Its mortality rate was reported to be approx 80%

[@Just.A.T-Rex]

And?

[@MackNcD]

@@Just.A.T-Rex I think that was it. Interesting.

[@Adam-ov5ie]

There is a big difference between there being more out there than we are currently aware and there being hugely advanced civilisations, perhaps as advanced or moreso than ourselves, hidden by the Amazon or under the ice of Antarctica or at the bottom of the sea. That's the issue I have. I'm sure there are civilisations out there which we haven't discovered yet, but they're not going to have somehow been 1,000 years ahead of everybody else and then disappeared without a trace. I think Lex is wrong is saying that it'd take just a few thousand years for traces of civilisation to vanish. It's very hard for all signs of civilisation to completely disappear and modern archaeology has shown that. If the UK was abandoned tomorrow, you'd be able to very easily find traces of huge cities and roads and technology for 10s of thousands of years just below the surface.

[@wilcoapro]

would love to see Graham Handcock on the podcast Lex! and Randall Carlson too

[@phuckpootube6231]

You can't even spell G.H name properly. It's no wonder that you would be a fan of those fools.

[@jaay816]

I wish he would’ve explained the soil That’s is found in the Amazon which isn’t found anywhere else and seems to be man made

[@nozrep]

ohhh what what what?! a nuanced, reasonable answer regarding the interplay between wild jungles versus, and, or, engineered civilizations?!?! Yes please!!!!! Knew I like this guy.

[@Thromash]

The argument that the Amazon is man made so we could knock it down & redo it falls flat automatically. As also stated by Graham Hancock, there is a layer of soil that makes it so the rainforest can grow as it has. Which he believes is highly likely to be man made. However, we to this day do not know how to recreate it or replicate it. Mainly the micro-biome within it. So IF it was man made, we still CANNOT recreate it. Something to also remember about what Graham Hancock says is that he does not say this IS what happened & how it is, he repeatedly says it is a theory. One he wants to explore to either prove or debunk. Which when & where possible, we should do. Enjoyed your chat about it, hope we can make many more discoveries within the Amazon but without knocking it down to do so. Whether it is natural, man made or just assisted either way it is a vital part of our worlds ecosystem & needs to be protect at the same time.

[@mattjelani]

I think graham is referring to Tierra prieta being man made and since most of it is in the Amazon then 1+1=2 essentially. Whether it’s true or not I don’t think we’ll ever know

[@Defort-jd8xe]

Looking at Graham Hancocks statements made, its not true. Dude lies more than Hillary Clinton on a campaign trip.

[@warbler1984]

Except you've oversimplified it much like Hancock...Hancock did indeed make the claim on Joe Rogan that the entirety of the Amazon is a man made garden...yes that's how stupid it all is

[@mrrooster4876]

You like Paul, should actually read the research on it so you can stop "thinking" about what it says and know.

[@quanchinut]

The argument against "We made it let's do what we want" is simply "Do you have the knowledge to make another one and undo all your damage? No? Then don't fuck around"

[@BV-jq2vg]

after rewatching graham hancock it didn't seem clear that he was saying the entire rainforest was terriformed with terrapraita, he was simply saying terrapraita has been found in the amazon and it was made by humans to cultivate crops. seems reasonable.

[@jonathansoko1085]

It's odd to see this guy go so hard at Graham on so many podcasts, yet he gets Grahams take, wrong. It's like he never listened to him himself

[@robertcole5737]

In the jungle,it only takes about 20-100 years for a pyramid to look like a mountain. Geometry sets it apart from nature.

[@andrewweaver8687]

The fact that he sighed when lex stated that rediculous doesn’t exist in science, is everything wrong with science today.

[@chuckleezodiac24]

lex is right! "there's no ridiculous in science." i'm working on the rediscovery of lost ancient secret technology. it's called the Plasmoid Unification Model and will provide Open Sourced Free Energy for all of Humankind. is that ridiculous? of course not. please donate!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Velldog]

This guy... Does he really think people mean the entire Amazon was 100% manmade. That's not what Hancock was saying at all.

[@grtwhtbnr]

The book 1491 covered some of this. It was a great read

[@Leandros135]

Why does he think Graham implied the entire forest was cultivated from nothing lol

[@richc.9273]

A special soil called terra preta (or something like that) was discovered that folks believe was a man made concoction. Like special nutrient infused soil for growing weed. That's the origin of the "man made garden" theory.

[@Defort-jd8xe]

@@richc.9273 its just charcoal and animal waste in landfill sites, which created this soil by accident. Clowns like Graham Hancock spread lies that these were "inventions" by these "highly sophisticated civilizations".. but at the end, its all just lies. Like everything Graham Hancock farts out of his mouth.

[@Leandros135]

@@richc.9273 I am aware

[@richc.9273]

So your question was a pop quiz and not a request for information, gotcha.

[@Leandros135]

@@richc.9273 it seemed like the articles he was talking about claimed graham said that the forest was started by man rather used by man

[@Pur1st]

Favorite interview so far! 🙏

[@seroskal9354]

Favorite*

[@thomasreeves4165]

Yeah I think people took it out of context. I think he was trying to say that they made Amazon black dirt and cultivated certain areas of the rainforest. They definitely did not plant every last plant. I think that the figured out what plants are beneficial, took those plants and spread them around certain areas for them to use.

[@talcoprentice7292]

Mother nature is the gardener , she knows what she's doing ❤

[@MackNcD]

A lot of people get really mad when you anthropomorphize nature or assign it an intelligence because it suggest something else they don’t like. Which is silly, obviously there is an intelligence deep within the fabric of the universe, to think this came out of the random despite the process of entropy engrained into the random is ridiculous.

[@talcoprentice7292]

@MackNcD sadly the western world has been brainwashed out of our spirituality but that's going to come back and bite us in the ass , all the indigenous tribes around the world know mother nature for what she is , the Queen of all everything and respect her and live out there existence in harmony with her they take only what they need , the western world could learn alot from these people but unfortunately they all think they are the ultimate beings and everything in nature is secondary to them .. ..that's just about to change 😌

[@martinb4721]

Great questions lex!! Gives you a whole different perspective and idea from what he is saying by how the questions have been worded.

[@natevv8380]

I tried to keep an open mind and hear out Hancock, and then he released his documentary… that history channel style definitely did not help his case

[@Romanplaystation]

On the plus side; That show, or more precisely, the mass debunking of it, led me to a great KZbinr named Miniminuteman. Excellent archeology channel.

[@JB-1138]

They're taking Graham Hancock's work completely out of context. He never suggested that the Amazon rainforest was created by people. Graham was pointing out the earthworks that are now visible after deforestation. And the fact that their soil composition shows evidence of agriculture. There's not much else to that.

[@juanotamendi8913]

So can you please explain to me ,how do you think that they found Ayahuasca ??The plant really spoke to them or pacha mama??

[@SeanRCope]

Just listen to both sides. Hancock is not a nut. He’s a journalist novelist who has really given this fascinating hypothesis his all. If nothing else it’s fun to think about. 200,000 years is a long time. I think all the really good stuff is underwater.

[@jonathanpillet3458]

I’ve always wondered what monument could be made that would last a million years or longer. Perhaps a giant structure poured as one piece of nickel, or stainless steel. Perhaps the casting could contain text on its outer casing, a written history of humanity with images to preserve that we existed. How long would it take to erode or corrode away? If it was built on top of bedrock, would it be so heavy that it would sink into the earths crust over eons? Is there any material we could use that would stand the test of time?

[@MrWackozacko]

1000 square meters 6 inches thick of nickel with a nickel obelisk poured on top. Covered in 2 inches of that iron thats rust protects it from further rust. Covered in gold lol

[@philmusson1265]

You're looking at it the wrong way. It doesn't need to be material.

[@calebkraeplin24]

I’d bet any high mo scale element built into pyramid structures with a “Rosetta stone” -esque message etched into the exterior of these pyramids, like Russian dolls; several layers of these exteriors, could last tens of thousands of years. Just put it a few thousand meters up in the oldest mountain range on each continent.

[@streetguru9350]

Gold or Rock is about it. and we've already left our mark on the universe with the Voyager missions, as well as the stuff on the moon/mars.

[@bagpussmacfarlan9008]

@@streetguru9350 Until they crash into a rock or get sucked into a blackhole!

[@younewser]

Graham Handcock isn’t the one theorizing this idea. There are countless authors with entire books on this subject. 1491 being the most prominent and is substantiated with lots of evidence.

[@jimatron369]

You know what’s ridiculous… the freakin human ego

[@GP-iv8py]

This guys jacket is so nice

[@CSJ-CSV]

so woke this man is... 😱

[@johncarroll772]

Brilliant

[@MackNcD]

Lol what? I missed the part about droning on about bathrooms

[@chago4202000]

You can't say that hundreds of thousands of humans were living in a place, farming, building cities, cutting down forests, doing all the things humans do... but they didn't impact the whole area they were living in. I don't think the idea is that humans showed up on an empty piece of land and planted the Amazon from scratch. But we terraform the land we live in, we selectively breed plants and animals.

[@mateoqad]

Best guest so far. Great interview

[@YM-71]

love your podcast, thank you for everything!

[@gusubu17]

it's a "man made garden" not in the context it's being used here... The plants, are NOT native to the region according to historical vegetative data. Like an arboretum, it was planted, but it continued to grow out of control after the civilizations left... in that sense, it's as man made as a man made lake which will be found 5000 years from now, but just because they built it where snow melt could run into it, and out of it, doesn't mean its natural.

[@MackNcD]

Calling something man-made is where the confusion is here. Man-assisted, man having a role to a certain percentage, clearly makes more sense.

[@gusubu17]

@@MackNcD I can dig that response.

[@Skabanis]

So interesting store when my mother passed away I inherited the house. I grew up in that house. The back yard had not been touched in 25-30 years the weed and piling of plants and leaves compost ect. I literally dug down - foot of dirt and 2 feet of plants found the of cement pathway…literally in 15 plus years it’s was covered

[@burhack007]

In my area houses was covered, I mean hundreds of house. You cannot see it anymore. 5 years

[@sidestyle05]

It's like Mr. Hancock's critics are purposely trying to misrepresent his questions and ideas.

[@IBIGBEATzZIIHD]

he is a fraud, dude lol

[@PrinceAsmodeus]

No. He's traffics in bunk.

[@revan8914]

100% the replies to your comment are great examples

[@PrinceAsmodeus]

@@revan8914 you can't see it. Hilarious. He has zero credibility.

[@revan8914]

@@PrinceAsmodeus you have no clue what ideas have been proposed by handcock and it shows lmfao you're literally doing what he says the mainstream does and you can't see it hilarious

[@AndeyPewpew]

Great guest.

[@mnbvcxzzq]

Life after people History chanel

[@shroomzBacteria]

It was the soil that was man made and we can’t reproduce it

[@Knardsh]

Lex. You don’t have to always be so damn nice. GH is a master gaslighter

[@stefan1924]

If the whole Amazon Rainforest turned out to be man made that would be by far the most incredible thing man has ever achieved. Given the unbelievable scale of it and the endless amount of different species I think it is more likely that maybe small patches of it are influenced by human beings.

[@mikesaboe4590]

As an American I got excited when he said, “boots on the ground.” That’s one place we haven’t invaded looking for oil! 😅

[@AlexanderStone]

I thought it was the soil in the Amazon which was man made, not the whole Amazon.

[@pnut3844able]

You can't synthesize soil lmao

[@yobro683]

@@pnut3844able im currently using synthesized soil in my greenhouse. quit trolling, virgin.

[@journeyrapids]

What is this nonsense?

[@randomlee4308]

It's called terra preta.

[@journeyrapids]

@@randomlee4308 It has nothing to do with humans.

[@DaydreamNative]

How long it takes a 747 to disappear without trace depends massively on where you leave it - it’ll last a lot longer in Arizona than the Amazon. As for how long for any trace of humans to vanish, a lot of that depends how hard you’re willing to look for it; if you’re not prepare to believe there might be something worth looking for, you’re not going to search very hard for it.

[@gnubbiersh647]

who the heck is saying that the whole amazon was manmade????? certainly not graham. he was talking about terra preta, which he says is a manmade soil.

[@FineFlu]

Gotta watch the show Life After People

[@kevincortez6227]

is this guy a cyclops?

[@virgiliustancu9293]

No one clams that all Amazon is human made. But you can find portions that not look like made by Nature. Specially near old construction/cities recently discovered in the jungle, were you had agricultural work.

[@StevenDemara-w6g]

God made it all

[@josebetancourt270]

Lol

[@jacquessimard7570]

I doubt it.

[@OmarJano]

Always a pleasure to watch

[@usedusermoser]

For some reason Paul reminds me of a toucan bird 🦜

[@chuckleezodiac24]

he look maybe pred. Armenoid + minor (robust, not gracilised) Pontid? or Irano-Afghan + Armenoid. skull is not so broad, it can be meso -- (med. skull reduced by armenoid component) or even dolicho -- it's not so clear. he is robust (like an Irano-Afghan, who comes from the Corded) -- hook nose, dark -- but not SO dark pigmentation, from the old Corded genes -- and sharp almost archaic features. Hard to classify.

[@MackNcD]

A slight dig at his nose size, the name of the poster doesn’t surprise me knowing the disposition of Asians when it comes to pointing things like this out 😂

[@usedusermoser]

@@chuckleezodiac24 Thanks for the detailed explanation. How is it in the evolution that it’s so distinct, especially when irano-afgan is in such proximity to Asian AASI?

[@chuckleezodiac24]

@@usedusermoser the Asian AASI is Southern Asians that come from mix of hunter-gatherer from 5,000 BC, Andamanese and Eastern Asians. you right that West Eurasian is mix of Irano and Steppe people that made the Indus Periphery Cline and then make the Ancestral North Indians ANI. then ANI & ASI mix to make Indian Cline in 2000 BC.

[@thetruthhurts4147]

Engineered soil is evidence of human cultivation, I don't think anyone is suggesting that the entire Amazon jungle is a man made garden, but certainly there is evidence of large scale farming supporting tens of millions of people.

[@Acircuspotato]

These two had me screaming at my screen from how little research they have done into why/how the theory was started that the Amazon was "engineered". Short story, it was farming and agriculture that blew up after the natives were wiped out. Terra Preta soil is a perfect example of the "engineered" aspect of the Amazon. That stuff promotes insane growth in plant life. The rate these two drone on and on with their blah voices was mind numbing and I wish I could get back all this time wasted.

[@joruss443]

Graham was talking about ‘Terra Preta’ and this guy obviously doesn’t know that. They find patches of black earth where they had made a type of biochar to make the ground more fertile. But take it as Graham Hancock said the Amazon is a man-made garden. You don’t do yourselves any favors

[@ddavidjeremy]

Hancock never misses a chance to degrade the beauty of the natural world or downplay the achievements of our ancestors to sell his nonsense. Just more and more wreckless tripe.

[@Dazarabia522]

Im sorry, how can anyone say things are not true with such conviction? Does Paul have access to information that mankind is lacking? Pfffft

[@benjamindoverfield6973]

If we were smart non selfish people, we would leave the Amazon alone

[@bcon2608]

The irony in your statement is that your beliefs completely disregard Brazilians. 50% of their country is in poverty. Extracting resources from their land to lift their citizens out of poverty is selfless. Mandating what Brazilians do to their own land while you’re in your ivory tower is selfish.

[@haywardjeblomey6505]

@@bcon2608 I'm for building better economies around the world, and I think uncontacted tribes need to be assimilated so that we can provide them with basic needs.

[@benjamindoverfield6973]

@Bcon2 these poor won't recieve this extracted wealth you describe or benifit in any real way, the rich companies will just get richer while the people stay in poverty with just enough to feed themselves exactly the way it is now and your country wont be much better off financially in the long run cause it only be temporarily gains with bigger consquemces of doing so showing up later that will effect the entire planet which will have to be paid for with the wealth that was taken from the resources but that can never be undone once it is. Like this guy was trying to say, the Amazon is the world's filter, it provides a great deal of the earth's oxygen its an essential part of things. Deforestation will have devastating ripple effects in the climate as well as in other areas like medicine etc. This isn't just about Brazil what's good for Brazil today with temporary monetary gains, this is about the health of the planet in keeping us all alive into the future. It's bigger than the "poor" in Brazil or Brazil itself. Please try to consider that. It's Brazils responsibility to protect what should be considered sacred, not trying to temporarily exploit it for a temporarily selfish gain. Obviously nobody is mandating anything at this point but people should do what is right and think about the bigger picture here.

[@benjamindoverfield6973]

@Hayward Jeb Lomey obviously they just want to be left alone, they don't want to be assimilated and others should respect. How about if I came and took your children away because I ignorantly thought it would be in their best interest and who cares how you feel about it. Try putting yourself in their shoes.

[@benjamindoverfield6973]

Everybody has an opinion but how many actually have a real clue what they talking about or capable of a critical thought. We all know best right...