Graham Hancock: Lost Civilization of the Ice Age & Ancient Human History | Lex Fridman Podcast

[@lexfridman]

Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep449-sa See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. 0:00 - Introduction 1:34 - Lost Ice Age civilization 8:39 - Göbekli Tepe 20:43 - Early humans 25:43 - Astronomical symbolism 37:11 - Younger Dryas impact hypothesis 55:31 - The Great Pyramid and the Sphinx of Giza 1:16:04 - Sahara Desert and the Amazon rainforest 1:25:25 - Response to critics 1:49:31 - Panspermia 1:56:58 - Shamanism 2:20:58 - How the Great Pyramid was built 2:28:17 - Mortality *Transcript:* lexfridman.com/graham-hancock-transcript *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* Graham's Website: grahamhancock.com/ Ancient Apocalypse (Season 2): netflix.com/title/81211003 Graham's KZbin: kzbin.info Graham's X: x.com/Graham__Hancock Graham's Facebook: facebook.com/Author.GrahamHancock Fingerprints of the Gods (book): amzn.to/4eM3QXC *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Notion:* Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep449-sa *Riverside:* Platform for recording podcasts and videos from everywhere. Go to lexfridman.com/s/riverside-ep449-sa *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep449-sa *Shopify:* Sell stuff online. Go to lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep449-sa *BetterHelp:* Online therapy and counseling. Go to lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-ep449-sa

[@TherealBDL]

I wanted to go to sleep then you dropped this 😂

[@DV8340]

Appreciated! Many blessings to you and yours 💯🇺🇸🤝

[@C.L.A.S]

Lex, you are a human machine. Much love to you 🤍

[@aidanmatthewgalea7761]

Lexie i'm sorry bestie but Graham Hancock is a clown even by his own logic. he has no evidence sadly and his ideas tend to trace to very problematically ahistorical warpings of the past like nordicism... have an archeologist on next time, might balance out the pseudoscience you should've asked him to cite actual evidence to a degree beyond "looks like"

[@aidanmatthewgalea7761]

Graham isn't the best source on human history considering he genuinely thinks neanderthals and other ancient humans were atlanteans who mastered psychology to the point of telekinesis on the megalith-moving scale.

[@portuguesepossum3165]

Just woke up. It’s my birthday and I have a 3.5 hour drive to make. The Gods have smiled on me!!!!

[@planetarygodzilla]

Happy Birthday mate!

[@EstherSwiftt]

Happy birthday to you!

[@dalefernandez19]

It's my birthday too.This is a nice little surprise gift.

[@maberuzakoo]

The gods from 12500 years ago

[@portuguesepossum3165]

@@dalefernandez19 Happy Libra Day 🙌🏼

[@MrGorobu]

I picked Graham and his wife up in London after their dinner with Joe Rogan, drove them to their station. Such a wild moment because I love his books. They were such sweet people, Graham couldn't believe I recognised him, and they waved me goodbye at the station. Wonderful people. // it's kinda sad to see how cynical people are, but I get it. I have shared this story on some other videos, yeah. I just want to share a ridiculously low chance encounter. In London, it's not uncommon to pick up celebrities. But this time was different because he's a guy very few drivers might recognise, unless they've watched him on podcasts etc. His podcasts on Joe Rogan were the first I'd listened to, and I found his ideas fascinating. This was just before his Netflix show came out, he told me it was due to come out in a month or two, I can't recall. I just wanted to share how nice he was to me, despite what I agree or disagree with him about. You can like someone and not agree with some ideas, you know. And you can dislike someone and still agree with their ideas.

[@wafflefry18]

Gross

[@MrGorobu]

@@wafflefry18 ?

[@valerieb2890]

The Gods smiled on you! Lol … 😊

[@7jjessie]

@@MrGorobu Gross = troll

[@loolfactorie]

Shill more

[@danleavers1583]

What is so incredible about Lex’s style of interview, is that despite Graham’s extensive research, knowledge and clear linguistic prowess, he holds an understandable bitterness due to the personal attacks on his enquiries which now and then comes through in his voice, and yet in those moments Lex instead asks a question with a childlike wonder and curiosity “what would be your dream find to help support your theory” (something I’ve not heard graham be asked before) and reframes the context of the conversation into a supportive collaboration of ideas; rather than a combative competition. This ability to play with ideas lightly and respect the interviewee to bring out their best side moves me emotionally, and inspires me intellectually. Thank you Lex and Graham for this great conversation.

[@Mistrinho]

Yeah, Lex has that gift. I don't know how he does it, props to him.

[@charlottewilliams7866]

Natural curiosity?​@@Mistrinho

[@gregfam6250]

Yes it's a real skill for sure, and also takes a genuine interest without preset agenda or bias.

[@enokoner]

Lex is nice. but also dog whistles to skeptics. Seems like he has some scientific thinking left in his brain and sees asking open ended questions as a life wasted.

[@BIIGLOO-r3q]

"research"

[@KieferBradshaw]

I'm from Sydney Australia. The Gadigal people, the ancestral people of Sydney, have a history of Sydney that is extraordinary. They talk of a time 12 thousand years ago when Sydney Harbour was a dry valley. The Aboriginal people have an amazing tradition to pass down their history by sighting it in story form. Ingenious!! In the history they also talk about a rapid filling up of the harbour which suggests it happened within a season.

[@psmithson104]

That is awesome. Thankyou for sharing that ancient history. So important to the world. 😊❤

[@jackoboyle2833]

@@KieferBradshaw This is great stuff! I respect a people's oral traditions.

[@tomghzel]

Props for all the visuals. Makes everything a lot more clear and interesting to watch.

[@jamesberry664]

Yeah definitely Graham needs a Jamie 😂

[@Adiyasa2011]

Good point, it does very much! Definitely deserves recognition and appreciation :))

[@bigtuna45]

Same thing for the Ancient Rome and Americas episode. The visuals were super helpful, that’s good production.

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

But it's still all fraudulent. {:o:O:}

[@lbzorz]

This

[@DeadSpirit93]

Graham looks good for 74, keep going champ.

[@colinflynn1090]

Better than that flint dibble guy

[@LeviAndFriends111]

All that DMT FOR SURE!

[@patrikrosenqvist3170]

@@colinflynn1090 Flint Dibble is so stressed about Graham's ideas hes gettin cancer. Like for real he should focus on something else its not healthy for him >.

[@thefit-family]

74 ? Damn I seriously thought he was way younger 😮than

[@loolfactorie]

@@colinflynn1090 The guy who consistently proved his smug ass wrong lol

[@cso6565]

Prepare the bong and coffee.

[@hamcheeselettucemayosandwich]

@@cso6565 haha. His audience in a nutshell

[@waylonk2453]

Grin!

[@edvinaberg3381]

bullseye!

[@simonboudreault2218]

why do i see myself in that comment :O

[@jesuschrist-alphaomega]

Puff puff give brother

[@FrazJA]

I like it when the host lets the guest as much as he wants . That’s what we came here for . Respect to Lex

[@FelonyVideos]

Graham's story is much more palatable and understandable when he is allowed free reigns like this format. Thank you, Lex.

[@Andy-fs5hv]

Joe Rogan could learn a thing or two

[@noamto]

Yeah let the guest say anything they want regardless of truth or logic, instead of getting the guest to stand by what they say instead of running away, is that a good idea? A host that doesn't correct a guest is a bad host. This is a speech not a podcast or conversation.

[@Andy-fs5hv]

@@noamto when the guest is a subject matter expert talking about their chosen subject, it’s highly unlikely the host is going got be doing much correcting, isn’t it?

[@FelonyVideos]

@noamto If we wanted your opinion, we would let you say anything you want. So shut up, you're wrong. 😭😂 You've no idea how clownish you sound.

[@theadventurefamily4991]

The huge popularity of pods like this and so many others prove we not only long for our lost oral traditions but can also benefit from our unexplained need for it.

[@penelopemelson3797]

@@theadventurefamily4991 go to the library and you will find whole shelves on all those lost traditions.

[@threeriversforge1997]

I always tell folks that the power of the Storyteller cannot be underestimated, and if you don't tell your Story, the story of your people, others will do it for you.... and to your detriment.

[@R90916]

Absolutely

[@Whuffagowie]

How many campfires does it take to make a civilization?

[@Whuffagowie]

@@threeriversforge1997 The winners write history. Sad truth.

[@jrbspacecowboy]

Lex is growing on me, im sure he has his opinions but he shows his guestsl respect and genuine curiosity for their paradigms. Its refreshing

[@DylanSheridan-qb7ng]

He is very professional, his style and demeanor has won me over now. I enjoy the podcasts he puts out when they are about someone or something of interest.

[@horsebattery]

He is smart enough to understand that Hancock is a grifter feeding off the credulity of people whoo are more interested in whether something is cool than that it is verifiably correct. Fridman recognises that there's money in it so has sold out his credibility. If there was an ancient globespanning civilisation there would be copious evidence, a vast biotic interchange preceding the one we've perpetrated in the last few centuries would be the most distinct one - and this does not exist. Nobody who is scientifically literate, thoughtful and sceptical even begins to entertain this arrant nonsense.

[@TheDave000]

Welcome to the cult bro!

[@ObjectiveEthics]

I would say that he and Alex O'Connor both do an excellent job of asking pointed questions during their interviews while remaining objective, open to new ideas and respectful.

[@sunnydlite-t8b]

Why do i feel like this comment is on every video. Looks like everyone shows their guests respect and its refreshing everywhere.

[@Supersyncopation]

It's so nice just to hear Graham talk without constant interruptions

[@brunofelix7784]

That's how you interview someone isn't it? Great Job for lex.

[@BrusselsCongo]

Yes, not like Joe Rogan

[@0Icelord0]

There is 10 hours worth of a Netflix series showcasing his views

[@roberttalada5196]

Lex knows how to interview 😊

[@Donaleigh222]

I'd like to interrupt him on his Out oof Africa theory.. Daang, what a disappointment

[@binkybeowulf-oi7zh]

Graham is truly one of the legends I'm most grateful for.

[@vermithor51ac]

Randall Carlson is next!! I CAN FEEL IT!

[@andrzejsiodmiak645]

There is relatively new one with him on Ryan Shawn channel if You intrested :)

[@vermithor51ac]

@@klzeccwozi1290 So I guess you're not a believer. That's okay...

[@andrzejsiodmiak645]

@@klzeccwozi1290 chill out brother, it is no harm to You to listen to alternative point of view and the do Your own research. No one is saying that both Graham and Randal are 100% correct, they do present some interesting data tho

[@spigwrigs9268]

​@@klzeccwozi1290it's been released, the inventor is called malcolm bendel, the inventions is the thunderstorm generator, it's being used on a power station in london and the Indian navy are looking at retro fitting their navy ships with it. If you don't think it's legit then look at the work bob greenyer is doing on plasma, which the device uses

[@kronkite1530]

Poor Randall, Hancock’s naively abused “useful idiot”.

[@pamelagaull3928]

I am 77 and remember much about the Kontiki balsa wood boat that had sailed from Peru to Polynesia in 1947 and also in 1970 the Ra II sailed from Morocco to the Barbados, both sea journeys in ancient style boats proving the possibility of cross ocean journeys in ancient times. I was a Primary school teacher and couldn’t help but see the links between ancient myths across the world.

[@SacredOwl]

My great x many grandmother, was a "savage" out of the forest in Canada, having married the first Catholic, with permission granted from the Pope. I wonder if the Polynesian DNA in my profile came from her.

[@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895]

@@SacredOwlyou need to get educated at best, stop the propaganda at worst. Hunting people and eating them for sport, spiritual gain, dominance, is indeed “savage”. Full blooded polynesians, not people like you, realize this. It was an extremely brutal way of life, that frankly, i dont think you can cope with.

[@jackstoltz1379]

Torralba d'en Salord in Spain and gobekli tepe in turkey look very similar. Y'all should look at them both. Definitely a connection.

[@GuyRBrewer109]

That makes more sense, then people of different parts of the Earth, simultaneously thinking and building the same thing without contact. Same thing with the Bow and Arrow. How is it in Africa, and the Naitive American? Cannot be 3 coincidences.

[@Radiona-1fm]

Thor Heyerdahl is the guy with kon-tiki and ra

[@Denariusjay]

Even Flint Dibble is hyped for this.

[@WillStephensArt]

Flint fucking dibble 😂

[@TheColdHarshTruth]

You mean Skint Dribble

[@Denariusjay]

@@TheColdHarshTruth haha

[@Bert-hb1yf]

lol

[@austint9079]

Cahm Dribble?

[@ThreadedNail]

Im impressed by how well the voices sound in this video, it seems that the sound is edited very well. In my nice headphones theres no bass spikes, the volume is even throughout, the mic noise is cancelled out, theres no annoying tsss tsss sounds from the talking, etc. I just wanted to point out something that some people probably dont realize that this channel does to give us a good product that we can enjoy. And thats pretty cool of them to do for the viewers.

[@Axiomatic75]

I'm watching on my phone so I wouldn't really know just how good the audio quality is, but it does sound good even through the crappy phone speaker

[@Dahni555]

I noticed this too, they have upgraded the Lex audio at some point

[@Bitter_Blueberry]

An audiophile. I "hear" you 😉

[@abc-yg6tk]

Good job Lex for letting Graham speak freely, probably the best video summarizing his work to date.

[@BrandingChangeYep]

Ah yes, the best way to learn... simply have someone uninterrupted or challenged on their incorrect facts to talk freely without any resistance. Truly a masterclass in education.

[@ChromeDudes]

"work"

[@tomsoyer5639]

Who doesnt let Graham speak freely? I 100% agree he should speak freely at all times and be called a grifter at all times.

[@Kommander_Rahnn]

​@@BrandingChangeYep Spoken like a true totalitarian. You'll be voting pro censorship in November I presume?

[@casualviewing1096]

@@abc-yg6tk quite right! If he were not allowed to speak freely, we wouldn’t be able to tell what a clueless cretin he is.

[@ObjectiveEthics]

This interview was an absolute pleasure to watch. Thank you Lex for bringing a humble and inquisitive approach to your interview style.

[@richlancaster8336]

riddle me this ObjectiveEthics (lol), HOW is it ethical for Hankook to steal the work of archaeologists and historians, repurpose it for his own profit, make up a bunch of hooey he can't prove, sell it to you - who can't do research, and then put down the archaeologists and historians who provided the work he's using for his made up theory....? How is that ETHICAL?

[@thebelayknot]

Man, this long format it really does explore the person being interviewed so deeper. All these other aspects about them start to come through over time. Excellent work Lex!

[@jackstoltz1379]

Torralba d'en Salord in Spain and gobekli tepe in turkey look very similar. Y'all should look at them both. Definitely a connection.

[@FischerNilsA]

​@@jackstoltz1379 Built about 5000 years apart. On different ends of the mediterranean. You need more than "I as a layman find it looks somewhat similar" to make such connections.

[@rainforestrc767]

I live in Alaska and in the early 90’s my friends and I witnessed a dead on view of a meteor entering our atmosphere where it was white with a purple ring after that point of entry it instantaneously expanded into an absolutely huge fireball at which point a few seconds later it exploded with the loudest most concussive explosion I’ve ever felt, heard or witnessed. It then rained down a fire glitter onto the mountain in front of us about 2 miles away. Many residents heard the BOOM but we were the only ones to witness it. I still have the newspaper article.

[@terryd7825]

Lex is the most underrated interviewer of our time. He brings up topics in a genuine way and then allows his guest to express and explain their points, yet he’s always got some insight or counter when they finish. He gets better with each episode.

[@AffectiveApe]

Graham does a much better job here couching his views as hypotheses that would demand further evidence or reevaluation of existing evidence. Much more refined than I have seen him in other interviews.

[@gabrieledwards1066]

Yeah, I think it's telling that Lex didn't call him a historian in his intro. Graham Hancock is the perfect embodiment of JAQing off.

[@100HzJimmi]

Backtracking.

[@StiloVerso-kn7wn]

Agreed. Which is the right way to go as the case that *something is missing* is much easier to go with than any particular thesis about what. i dont really understand how his opponents reconcile the fact they are jumping up and down trying to prove a negative with any claim to be open minded. have to say, though... although Graham has come across as a bit driven and harried in the past, I dont blame him. He has been under immense pressure for decades just for free spirited inquiry. It's bound to make you need to dig in a bit.

[@MYBIGTOE_31]

Yeah he was too emotionally involved in the JRE debate. He focussed so much on clearing his name from racial and white supremacist jibs from the archaeological community that he lost his way. Have you seen his recent post on KZbin about acknowledging this point. Well worth a watch. I'd like a 2.0 with that Dibbler weirdo.

[@MrBrianbusch]

Thought the same thing! Pissed me off

[@RevolverPicturesYT]

It's incredible how much this man can talk. Lex has said less in this interview than in any other interview I've seen of his lol.

[@mikeymileos]

It's here to see him interviewed on his own like this. I saw him on a JRE with Carson Randall and he kept trying to take over the conversation any chance he could. It was a little off-putting

[@dumbcat]

people who talk a lot are often wrong a lot

[@Agapi-dg7th]

Hangcock can give 150 hours of interview no problem,, amazing stuff, he can repeat the mistery of human sivilisations ,,the start of sivilisation happened in turkey?

[@billynomates920]

@@dumbcat no comment

[@IceColdtvx]

Graham I think is actually a alien with mind control powers

[@Gameandrelaxnz]

Who watching in 1984?

[@JoanneHeaton]

😂

[@Sym0S]

underrated comment^^

[@AV24274]

Ill be there in 2 years im still in 1986

[@RepairRenovateRenew]

Winston in the pub getting wasted to this

[@roanwa4712]

😂😂😂😂

[@steveheighton5971]

New drinking game...take a shot every time Graham says Göbeklitepe.

[@Paretozen]

Then the winner has to try to pronounce it 🤣

[@ValkyrissaGaming]

Go back Lee teppy!

[@scottpoerschke8807]

Younger Dryas

[@tenitri5023]

Summer solstice

[@bfboobie]

Dont drink alcohol its extremely toxic and deadly and addictive

[@FastForward-i4s]

i have always followed Graham since Fingerprints of the Gods. His views about oral tradition and mankind's lost history have always resonated with me, on a personal level. I'm from Mozambique, Africa and where i was born we have a local flood myth. It exists until today (but is fading as more people grow out of oral traditions) but i was fortunate enough to hear it from my great grandmother. His book opened my eyes to the fact that this stuff exists all over the world, not just the big examples normally mentioned when these conversations happen. This is my personal best episode ever.

[@benjohnsen4548]

you do know during the younger dryas period the water only rose at approx 1 inch a year, this guy is full of shit and making coin off peeps with little knowledge.

[@FastForward-i4s]

@benjohnsen4548 well, he is more researched than your "he is full of shit". Between the two, excuse me if ill consider his opinion

[@richlancaster8336]

@@benjohnsen4548 so many clueless people out here in the ether....they love his sneaky, ego-filled, presentation. personally, I see lies oozing out of his face...lol...and then he slams archaeologists and historians, the very people whose work he steals to repurpose to try and support his own made-up BS...it is so amazingly disingenuous...sickening to those of us who see right through him. it's like watching a MAGA rally....

[@realistic_delinquent]

@@benjohnsen4548 the water rose at an average rate of 3-4 inches or so per year for many years, but if you use that logic you could also state that 9 people per day were killed in terror attacks on New York’s world trade centre in 2001. It’s not a clever observation, in fact it’s the observation of a simpleton with zero capacity to express or consider nuance, and it does not comport with the dynamic character of our planet.

[@Zomby_Woof]

@@FastForward-i4s Sis you independently verify either claim? The flood claim where an ice dam broke and cold flood waters disrupted the AMOC briefly is one theory, but sea levels not rising is problematic, as the source waters for this influx were landlocked and unconnected to the sea. Another theory which has actual evidence is volcanic activity. And there are of course, any number of theories without any real evidence for them.

[@soulbot119]

I love reading Graham Hancock, but listening to him speak is such a treat. The way he expresses ideas is truly unique. Love him or hate him, you can't deny his amazing talent as an orator and author.

[@MrAchile13]

He's definitely a good orator and writer, which makes it so unfortunate he is spreading pseudo-science and using dishonest tactics.

[@impermanenthuman8427]

The Australian Aboriginal oral traditional stories are literally the exact story telling phenomena used in the ‘mega memory’ system, the Aboriginal elders remember and teach a massive amount of information with every important detail in order

[@stevennewlands2978]

Fun fact aboriginal people have a larger portion of the brain than other races set aside for visual memory.

[@welshmonsterhunter7028]

Yes that's why they are far more advanced than any population today.Makes you wonder why we use things like historical records and data when we could just rely on 100% perfectly accurate memory😂

[@carlosgaspar8447]

oral traditions are of course important, and that's how eventually the bible was written; but when i hear many indigenous story tellers from north america (coastal) i find they are incorporating ideas put forth by europeans (like the idea of having lived living for 10,000 years). also, if you take the finely carved totem poles which are closely tied to the Haida, they are only a couple hundred years old (the oldest ones have rotted) when they had access to better carving tools. beforehand, the poles were little more than posts for their long houses. probably for this reason that graham only mentions civilizations in south and central america.

[@OZDurden]

I've been waiting for Graham or Randall to mention the huge tidal sand ripples in the middle of Australia like the scablands they talk about. The Dreamtime stories are based

[@impermanenthuman8427]

@@OZDurden have you seen any suspiciousobservers channel vids?

[@MISmotionimagesound]

We need 3 hours of Randal talking about Sirius

[@jindo74]

Seriously?

[@jamesberry664]

I love the guy but even I don't have the stamina for 3 hours on Sirius. And are you sure the man can stay on one topic lol

[@mortezamohammadi505]

American turbulent wader😂

[@randomuser88844]

6 hours

[@OZDurden]

That's 45 computer cable changes and 984 slides

[@Emppu_T.]

It's always Christmas with graham. I find him and his stories utterly fascinating.

[@oliveeisner8964]

Somebody got to him. He explicitly stated that Gobekli Tepe had no agriculture when it began. Wtf. Even on the surface?, how does he KNOW. The historical record of the Sumerians (this is just one!) has human beings farming successfully along with orchards, animal husbandry you name it. Not to mention technologies. He's being forced to push a narrative. We are far older and sophisticated. My god.

[@s.corrigan1586]

Graham really is like Christmas. In fact I can't think of a way he's not like Christmas.

[@AntonSoloviev_Loves_Jesus]

Christ-Mass is about Christ. God bless you.

[@s.corrigan1586]

@@AntonSoloviev_Loves_Jesus is it not about presents, a tree, Santa claus? Only the lord shall judge me

[@joepace9716]

why because both are full of fictional stories?

[@silouanebrouaye5964]

Always incredible listening to Graham Hancock

[@jamespeters1617]

This Hancock guy does bring up a lot of interesting question that might never been answered but we should always be asking uncomfortable questions and not ridiculing those who ask them

[@vitamaltz]

His questions have all been answered. He simply misunderstands or chooses not to understand the answers.

[@oddizzee]

If you watch Ancient Apocalypse it does bring out too many complex megalithic structures that disproves archaelogical dogma that humans were simple hunter gatherers 9000 years ago

[@mnomadvfx]

Asking just for the point of asking is reductive - like the adult equivalent of a child in the back seat of the car asking "are we there yet?" every 30 seconds while their parents try to remember why they wanted to become parents. At a certain point when you are just pointing at the people actually doing the work and telling them that they are doing it wrong then you are in fact the problem in the room. Hancock despite being VERY rich at this point has never once funded any archaeological expeditions. If he were as serious as he pretends to be to get you to open your wallets and buy his media then he would have opened his own wallet to fund expeditions years ago. Also, it's Hancock who started ridiculing archaeologists first - he's like the American GOP mandating the removal of sex ed in schools and then campaigning on reducing abortions when the inevitable result of the lack of sex ed leads to unwanted pregnancies.

[@FullBeardSk8]

Why did your comment attract the dogmatic salty ones lol

[@shaggyrumplenutz1610]

​@FullBeardSk8 they think they are intellectually superior to everyone else.

[@sandspar]

Grahm seemed to have this perceptive awareness that let the original question get unintentionally subverted by Lex, postulate on the subversion, and then return to the original intent before closing the loop. I appreciate this, as I see so many times the original question go largely unanswered by embellishment of a tangent. What an interesting man, and the right man to interview him.

[@buddhabunnee]

brevity has left the chat

[@sandspar]

@@buddhabunnee Indeed. Lex wanders, Grahm keeps pace and returns to the point of departure. Interesting man, good interview.

[@anschn7166]

Astoundingly, you possess an exceptional and unparalleled ability to transform a fundamentally straightforward and uncomplicated declaration into something extravagantly verbose and needlessly convoluted.

[@sandspar]

@@anschn7166 Indeed. Lex wanders, Grahm keeps pace and returns to the point of departure. Interesting man, good interview.

[@jackstoltz1379]

Torralba d'en Salord in Spain and gobekli tepe in turkey look very similar. Y'all should look at them both. Definitely a connection.

[@jamesm-sl3oc]

This was a good interview for Graham Hancock because he was able to effectively and clearly express his ideas, and then have Mr Fridman summarize in layman's terms which helped me follow along in this information dense discussion.

[@roboct6]

This is one of the best interviews with Graham Hancock I’ve ever heard. Thank you both.

[@Pub_Law]

Anyone willing to think about the brain and conciousness in this way, is worthy of listening to and respecting. He seems to be one of substance without the character needed to be intrugued by his theories. I woke up while listening to him discuss the brain being a receiver and of course - this is how low res programming entire beings and entitities must be looked upon. Hes a cool bro!

[@shuenli444]

I agree!!

[@psmithson104]

Listen to his interviews on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. They go back several years. JRE & JBP & LF are the only really honest & truthfull peoples podcasts worth listening too. List to them interviewing Elon Musk. Thanks to JR for the long format.

[@SparkleFunHorse]

I’m absolutely loving the latest series of podcasts you’ve put out. Ancient history, cultures, political systems… it’s absolutely gripping, entertaining and informative. Thanks for all your hard work - I love listening to your stuff and really appreciate that you exist in this world. Peace! ✌🏻

[@Randy_Shoeman]

This isn’t ancient history. This is ancient fiction. He has no evidence. He just makes shit up

[@hamcheeselettucemayosandwich]

Great story. Utter fantasy.

[@BasedAlaric]

@@hamcheeselettucemayosandwich found the graham hancock hater

[@leomajor88]

@@BasedAlaricI like scientists that use the scientific method and don’t peddle conspiracy theories.

[@hamcheeselettucemayosandwich]

@@BasedAlaric found the guy who accepts the credentials of a well travelled door knob

[@duke775]

I could listen to Hancock all day! I hope to see more from him on this pod Lex.

[@gregorychin1739]

I like how Mr. Hancock and Lex both said positive things about Flint. Says a lot about their characters. Thank you both for all you do. Sending love:)

[@funkymunky7935]

It would never happen the other way around

[@williamterrell7160]

Lex! The most important discussion you have with Graham is the evolution of Shamanism. His treatise “Visionary/Supernatural” is a BRILLIANT “ understanding of our shamanic past and the start of human consciousness. Thank you for asking about this.

[@ThomasSmith-fo2ff]

I could listen to Graham talk for hours and do whenever given the opportunity. The final 5 mins were exceptionally interesting. He has a certain intuition that I find quite refreshing and is of course an extremely bright person. Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Only wish he would of spoken more in depth on the subject of mortality and his opinion on the role the great pyramids played in how the ancient Egyptians worked to unlock the secrets of what happens after death.

[@andrewr5345]

nothing like drinking 27-30 beer while enjoying the new lex fridman podcast

[@sircrush3530]

Ah. Bravo. Cast that doubt! It helps your own doubts feel real. Debunkers are both creative and effective so don't take this as insincere. I really am impressed.

[@onlyguitar1001]

Are you still alive?

[@DavidDavoDavidson]

Rookie numbers

[@AustralianBushman]

Every time he says "quebecepatepy" or whatever the hell he's saying, you drink

[@TheColdHarshTruth]

Yes there is, in fact there is way better, watching the Lex Fredmin podcast sober. Learn to navigate through life without alcohol.

[@JasonTapp-s8e]

Have a lot of respect for Mr Hancock, having an open mind is his his strength

[@yyoksetioxd]

this dude was the one that made me watch podcasts I still remember his first amazing appearance onJoe Rogan's podcast. Glad you brought him here, Lex. It doesn't really matter to me if his theory is true or false, it's still super entertaining and worth investigating

[@YaBoyYeti]

It's 5am where I am...just woke up. Time to blaze and enjoy the ride.

[@DubStepKid801]

Amazing podcast. The last hour really hit a wonderful and enjoyable free flow. I love this guest. Everything you do is great Lex. The world is a better place with you in it.

[@Ksu_]

This has been a treat to listen to from start to finish. Graham Hancock is not just an enthusiast of archeology and scientific enquiry, he's a philosopher with a brilliant, creative mind. His intuition and ideas will be soon vindicated I believe.

[@dizont]

no they wont, cuz its all bs

[@shawnstangeland3011]

@@Ksu_ a brilliant con artist. Why is it that you can’t see it?? Does his completely unsupported nonsense just ring a bell with you?

[@chuckleezodiac24]

he stole all his shit from Donnelly's Atlantis book from 1882. in 100 years another con artist will be pushing the same bs and claiming that "the vindication" is coming soon. lol.

[@punlovincriminal5564]

But but but look at all the stone work they did. They must have been so advanced in their technology to make stone structures like that. Oh no wait a minute its easy. Just time, manpower and knowhow is all it takes, not wizards or aliens.

[@punlovincriminal5564]

Main stream archeology is out to get me man. Big archeology is hiding the truth from us man.

[@triassicpark947]

Lex I've never seen you so quick to ask all the correct and best questions so concisely- yet another thoroughly enjoyable episode !

[@meganmiller4471]

Always love listening to Graham talk about anything, an amazing mind who has seen and explored so much of the world much of us will never have to opportunity to see! It’s amazing we get this sort of information for free, thank you for not being afraid to question the status quo and exploring other possibilities. There is so much of this world we still know so little about!

[@OrlOnEarth]

I agree with everything you said, just not about the fact that KZbin is free. There's a bigger picture as to the actual price of things Not to nitpick or pick on you or anything, but it's something I read often. Nothing about google is actually free. Wikipedia is free. Wayback machine is free

[@meganmiller4471]

@@OrlOnEarth anything that is free is stealing your data so yeah you are right

[@LesterBrunt]

@@OrlOnEarth Bro, you are responding to an AI generated message. You can easily recognize the writing style.

[@mkilptrick]

Lex has one of the few podcasts I continue to enjoy.

[@soyfacekilla]

He’s a boring dweeb

[@saradavis6581]

because its more of an interview than a podcast... understand the difference

[@mycrodexmushrooms]

@@saradavis6581 Very unnecessary comment lol, you okay?

[@gman955]

Fr. Joe Rogan can sometimes have great topics with great minds but it pisses me off when he just keeps interrupting great scholars such as Brian Cox just to keep interjecting and doesn’t know when to shut the f up & let the guy across the table talk

[@AaronBlox-h2t]

I think Grahams theory is plausible: why did homo sapiens, after emerging around 300k years ago, first develop agriculture then civilization about 12kya and 5kya, respectively? To clarify, homo sapiens, which includes Neanderthals, Denisovans and unknown other humans, did emerge 300kya but modern humans, with cognition equal to or exceeding our own circa Nov 2024, only emerge about 75kya: when a global catastrophe, some believe massive volcanic eruption which blocked out the sun for years if not decades, devastated populations reducgin them to a few hundred down in S. Africa where, under horrible selective pressures, homo sapiens sapiens, that is, our direct ancestors with cognition equal or greater than our own, emerge and recolonized the planet. So the timeline is compressed, why, if homo sapiens sapiens have been around for 75kya, did they dev agriculture then civ 12kya and 5kya , respectively? Coinciding with a warm up period in the longer term Ice Age. YEs folks, we are still in an Ice Age but basking in one of its intermittent warm periods. During the last 75kya ago however, there has been 1 or 2 , at most other warm periods of thiese Ice Age so.....did cognitively modern humans, not use their superior intellect to better their conditions where conditions were perfect for them to do so?? They probably did...

[@robc5877]

Nah, you have to be wrong 🤣 They went for a long walk, did some nitting, watched a game, etc. No hurry! lol. But seriously. Your right. At least 315.000 years does the modern human exist. In that timespan we had at least 20 level 3 disasters (impact events/volcanos/etc). Meanwhile language developed and more. Lots of wise folks created religions that served the people / to share knowledge. And then it all was destroyed again and again. We are still rebuilding from that last disaster and people are just not told, cause 'we got technology' blah blah. We could have developed agriculture multiple times in the last 100.000 years alone, but 1 big event and it's all gone and what do you do then: survive with hunter gatherers and rebuild when you are able again. Nature published: 'Oldest Homo sapiens fossil claim rewrites our species' history' about the 315.000 skeleton. That's just like us, no neander or denisovan, it's a modern human. And the date we developed speech is also pushed back every 10 years. Better our conditions: I believe we need to start rewriting some of these books they teach in our 'education centers' about all this, got plenty of facts.

[@vbrooker1]

Thanks for this wonderful interview of Graham Hancock. I’ve been following his work since I came across a copy of The Sign and the Seal in the early 90s. He’s a brilliant and fascinating man, and I appreciated the opportunity to listen to him talk without having to constantly defend himself.

[@thorfinnthegoatmc]

I love how we have Ed Barnhart and Graham Hancock within the same month

[@waylonk2453]

Hear, hear!

[@cdsred]

They disagree about some major things but we love them both because they’re honest respectful men. Flint could be seen the same way if he wasn’t such a little prick.

[@mathieutyler8745]

you should find better things to love

[@tomslade6027]

You should find real things to hate​@@mathieutyler8745

[@PerspectiveLove]

The internet loves to hate. We have a lot of sick people, that’s quite sad. No reason to hate on another person

[@SeñorOrion1995]

The fact that someone had mapped the Americas so precisely by 1270 (more than 200 years before Columbus' accredited discovery and more than 230 years before Magellan's accredited navigation of South America) is WILD

[@alexsigz1222]

The chapter on this topic in Fingerprint of the Gods was one of my favorite. It also talks about the mapping of the coast of Alaska before it had actually frozen. Absolute wild stuff! 😅

[@cognitivedisability9864]

One of the theories on this is like graham said, with the fall of constantiople. that's when europe has it's rennesance and suddenly start sailing further. All those people who fled to western europe from the turks.

[@shaggyrumplenutz1610]

​@@cognitivedisability9864 I also read that Columbus may have had a map from this time.

[@vamscape]

The map that you are referring to (I presume it's the one at 52:00) isn't from the 13th century. It was made by Joan Oliva (ca. 1590). The oldest map that features the Americas (that we know of) was made by Juan de la Cosa (ca. 1500).

[@ianlaw6410]

Lex Fridman, you're the original all American boy. Respectful, open-minded, polite, seeking for the truth by listening to all sides of the argument. So far removed from the narrow-minded, close-minded Americans we're seeing today. What happened? We need more folk like Lex.

[@Kaybo_Real]

I’m so glad this dude is still being interviewed by great people. Glad he is staying relevant! Great stuff here

[@politicallyincorrect2564]

Graham claimed that mainstream archeology tries to suppress his views but he is way more popular than them. He has more videos on KZbin and even a Netflix documentary 😂😂.

[@Kaybo_Real]

@@politicallyincorrect2564 Certainly!

[@JDAM-bi1sn]

He is utterly unrelevant for real sience and knowledge about our past. If you think otherwise you fell into the trap...

[@Kaybo_Real]

@@JDAM-bi1sn I don’t know what sience is so I’m not too worried

[@mnomadvfx]

@@politicallyincorrect2564 "Graham claimed that mainstream archeology tries to suppress his views" aka a martyr complex - professionally playing the victim card so that sympathetic fools will fill his bank account.

[@alexandramyers9690]

This interview has been a joy to watch. Possibly the best overview of Graham Hancocks theories and hypotheses. I am going to watch this again. Thank you Lex. I hadn’t heard of you before. You have a new subscriber. 🙏

[@olgazavilohhina6854]

Увлекательный и прекрасно проиллюстрированный разговор.Загадки истории привлекательны для изучения именно тем,что дают возможность потренировать "глаз",посмотрев на события давно минувших дней шире и объёмнее без оглядки на общепринятый и удобный угол обзора. Спасибо Вам

[@tracyjames2046]

Beautifully put!

[@henchgamer6996]

I could listen to this man all day

[@primeape56]

Lexus, that was the best interview I've seen of Graham. Sp proud of you and love your heart.

[@JasonNapier-v3x]

We need more of this!! How about another 3 hour plus with Randall Carlson?

[@fraserhennig8760]

Yes please

[@ratenSmith2316]

The best way to spend the evening

[@bean5618]

It’s not even 9 am

[@ratenSmith2316]

@@bean5618 It's 6 pm here

[@fabianvera273]

@@bean5618 It's 8:50 PM here.

[@bean5618]

@@ratenSmith2316 impossible

[@dazuk1969]

2pm here in the UK.

[@the_glass_nurse]

Thank you for having such a fair platform, Lex

[@willek1335]

He's a pretty good communicator, authentic, and is willing to ask questions about the unknown, which is brave. I appreciate those qualities.

[@dmacarthur5356]

That's why I like Graham, he poses interesting questions about the past. He may be right, he may be wrong but he opens the mind to "what if" and that is what drives human curiosity and learning.

[@benjohnsen4548]

@@dmacarthur5356 Hes definately wrong, and is only making stupid people stupider.

[@dmacarthur5356]

@benjohnsen4548 Insults are very ineffective when presenting a counterpoint and are usually a telltale that one has nothing meaningful to say.

[@benjohnsen4548]

@@dmacarthur5356 sometimes the truth seems like an insult but its just truth. If you believe this guys BS he has made you stupider than you previously were. And yes this annoys me that such people can make money off such lies and get away with it. It should be a crime to publish such miss information and lies.

[@willek1335]

​@@benjohnsen4548 " If you believe this guys BS..." What does that have to do with what we just said? We gave him credit for things like being inquisitive about the unknown. None of us said anything about believing what he said or not. Even if you disagree with him, you got to give the devil his due.

[@festagio]

That was delightful guys. It just felt like a very caring and enjoyable conversation between two friends who like sharing each other's company, whilst enjoying the discussion of exploring the beauty and mystery of consciousness! It was a very appropriate vibe! 😄

[@roneidealmeidaaragao2438]

I didn't know Graham has such deep knowledge about a wide range of subjects. Props to him.

[@DrSpoculus]

You can't have a deep knowledge on many subjects. You can have a basic understanding of many things, but deep knowledge only comes with time and experience. It's like how all the conspiracy theorists know about the moon, laser weapons, Bigfoot, ufo's... they read a wiki article and know about that much about these things. They don't have deep knowledge on the subjects because their time spent learning is so scattered around. That's why a journalist shouldn't be saying people who spent their whole lives studying one specific dig site or specific part of archalogy are wrong. He has nowhere near the knowledge they have.

[@Wanker527]

NOW we are podcasting! ❤

[@enokoner]

NOW thats what I call self delusion.

[@KuchiniFallinFromDaSky]

I could listen to this man talk for hours. He has the best voice.

[@introspectah]

And the accent icing the cake.

[@koco1puffs]

It's so interesting that around 11,600 years ago there was a massive flood and many cultures have stories about a great flood. I wonder if it was a verbal story passed down by our ancestors who went through that crazy experience.

[@liamgross7217]

Rising sea levels and many people living in coastal areas. Little doubt those stories we’re passed on. The world as they knew it was flooded.

[@slappy8941]

All the survivors of natural disasters have handed down stories to their descendants, and the greater the disaster, the more epic the story, and the longer it's passed down.

[@BENZK-j9t]

many megalothis esp in Ruissa burried deep look it up

[@6point8esspcee68]

Not just "many" cultures, nearly every culture has a flood myth. As ubiquitous as these stories are, it's hard to deny that what we call "myths" were, in reality, actual events passed down through oral tradition. Not only stories of floods but the destruction of an elder civilization by fire from the sky. I believe these "myths" are actual events, as well. Namely, the destruction of the world at the Younger Dryas.

[@122222770]

I believe it was Noahs flood. All of us come from the three sons and their wives in the table of nations. Genesis 10 and 11.

[@tloo9578]

Lex, you have shortened the divide between peoples of many different political parties, cultural backgrounds, religious backgrounds, people who have differing ideas of engineering and the future of science. You are truly a bridge and I cannot express how useful bridge people are in the face of our future in the human race. Bridges are the hero's of coordination and collaboration between the minds of one country to another, which is a necessary piece of our success in the future, the sharing of knowledge across diverse groups, and an unintentional mediator of topics that people need to find middle ground on. You're a national and global treasure. Basically, like, thanks, man.

[@TheAngryHippie]

Its ALWAYS a good time listening to a new Graham Hancock podcast

[@sethjohnson6012]

Graham Hancock is a conartist

[@TheAngryHippie]

@@sethjohnson6012 Haters gonna hate!

[@ExessiveGK]

@@sethjohnson6012 My crusty underwear was conned into Flint eating it thinking it's toast.

[@sethjohnson6012]

@@TheAngryHippie I don't care enough about graham hancock to hate. I'm just letting you know that he's a conartist and you're the one being conned. This comes more out of a place of love. It's a shame to see.

[@TheAngryHippie]

@@sethjohnson6012 You clearly never heard anything about him other than his view on ancient mysteries. He's done more for people than you ever have or will do

[@basilfranguiadakis2103]

so exciting that even lex listens silently😁😆thanks both of you

[@mickeymcdoogle119]

Great Episode!!!! Always love listening to Graham !!

[@The_Ascension]

Knowledge never shuts up, Wisdom never speaks up.

[@rockyewelljr9781]

I clicked this at 10x the speed of light lex and Graham, no way, get real! I'm stoked

[@reedkelly6145]

Lex, thank you. Thank you for having Grahah on and for having this GREAT talk.

[@issyjas3309]

Wondered when Graham would get on here, fascinating man .

[@ApolloTheOriginalPodcast]

I was watching Graham and Joe’s podcasts back in 2017-2018 - they were amazing!

[@DillonWoods-b9b]

Lex and Graham both have such a wonderful cadence

[@tanyashafi961]

Love Graham! I will watch ALL his content and interviews. His books are fantastic and his audio books read by him are just fantastic. 🤩

[@Pari991-y3o]

Thanks for inviting him Lex😍😍😍

[@amandaguidry4242]

I can't WAIT to see more about ancient history from you! ❤❤❤

[@eHex-iled]

I absolutely love listening to Graham's stories. Thanks for having him on the show!

[@Ioc1legsweep]

Really enjoyed this podcast. A fan of Graham. He challenges one to think holistically. Great to join him on his adventure of seeking to discover the real story of ancient peoples and civilizations.

[@lahnhan7289]

Yay! Thank you for hosting Graham! ❤

[@drkdrumz]

I could listen to Graham all day and night.

[@THSS710]

Ugh I’ve been waiting for lex to have Graham on!! Excited to listen to this one!!

[@C.L.A.S]

Lex, you are a human machine, dropping yet another intriguing episode. Thank you for all the great work that you do. Much love to you 🤍

[@BassSniper209]

This is my favorite version of Lex he has a way off looking into history with an open mind that's refreshing

[@jimbote1968]

First time listening, and this is one of the most articulate interviewers and asks thoughtful, intelligent questions.

[@jeninlight]

Thank you Lex, and thank you Graham ❤

[@justinwhite2716]

@lexfridman you should have Flint on the podcast now. I just watched the debate on Rogan and thought Flint thoroughly crushed Graham’s case for an ice age agricultural civilization.

[@MrKipling420]

If you think that, then you are thoroughly misinformed on the topic. Dibble stretched the truth constantly, and outright lied in many instances during that debate. Hancock has only ever put forward a hypothesis and has never implied his claims are factual. The only thing he says as fact is that the mainstream archaeological community will lie to discredit his work. Which Dibble did to an extraordinary degree, while wearing one of his daddies suits

[@richard-wy6jx]

the only thing flint crushed him on was saying that agriculture aint difficult to do. yet, why didn't people do it instead of being hunter gatherers?

[@ExessiveGK]

@@richard-wy6jx Flint lied about the agriculture too, The man had Joe fooled about corn and new full well corn doesn't grown in the wild, corn is a by product from domesticating teosinte. there is nothing natural about corn.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@richard-wy6jx Agriculture is a LOT easier when average temperatures are more conducive to plant growth, which then feeds into herbivorous prey animal population increase as they rely on that plant growth. Higher temps also means less frozen fresh water sources which is good for all animals and plants.

[@kkeennssaaii]

@@mnomadvfx :) but during ice age there were many places on Earth that had stable and warm climate for agriculture. Yes, after ice age ended we can argue that more land was viable for agriculture. But as I said. Big part of Earth was viable for agriculture even during ice age and yet for all we know humans were not using agriculture.

[@musically-assureddestructi8843]

I don’t know why people are angry about Hancock.

[@wesley290]

Stupid people do exist, unfortunately.

[@kyjo72682]

Because he promotes pseudo-science... There's a whole section about it on his Wikipedia entry.

[@ExessiveGK]

@@kyjo72682 You do realize Wikipedia locked Graham out his own content and force feed the narratives, If your really think Wikipedia is a good source of information your highly delusional

[@jessyhart6638]

​@@kyjo72682lol. Tell me you didnt listen to the podcast without telling me

[@musically-assureddestructi8843]

@@kyjo72682wikipedia isn’t a reliable source for this sort of thing. The editing process is walled off to the public and one of Hancock’s critics, John Hoopes, who has erroneously claimed, without evidence, that Hancock promulgates racist ideas, is one of the key editors of his page.

[@РахильБусо]

I am so thankful for this conversation! It's unbelievable great !

[@BroncoBilly581]

That's so telling that the establishment used all its ammo to shut Grahams show down.

[@kicksnarehat4393]

Just wanted to say love all of you ❤

[@STARRYMESSENGER2032]

Here we go! I’m so ready for round two! Team Hancock all the way!

[@merrickforrester5238]

Team Grifter you mean.

[@Gr8Success]

Mr Ghaham Handcock is very knowledgeable . always a pleasure to listen him !

[@joroberson4084]

I really enjoyed this! More please 🙂

[@KAMALDEEP-punjab]

0:20 hey @lexfridman if you dub your video in "hindi" you will get atleast 10 million listeners for your channel like @mr.beast and indian will get some valuable content of yours. 😊

[@tyma8]

That's true!

[@conor8351]

Hey, guess what. You could do that, and because it's edited, it becomes your content.

[@nicholasvaughn2988]

@@kfc2180p

[@miked853]

@@conor8351that’s nasty work, don’t encourage stealing content

[@dans5529]

@@conor8351 Translating or dubbing content does not make it yours. It wouldn’t even qualify as fair use.