Leyland National cold start 19/01/2022

[@cactuspharmer]

Once the old girl settled down sounded lovely sound of my childhood.

[@AaronCable-tf9tt]

I remember the olympians growing up with confidence buses I loved the start up of those I believe with the same engines it's a shame only one olympian is the only one in service and I haven't heard of any nationals in service the streets would sound better then the euro 6 buses

[@andyclark1426]

Strongest part of a national..... the starter motor

[@LandAnchor]

One of the few bits that usually works 😂

[@sarthakpatole3709]

Eta of aaaapA pi skth08pazp 77 ASAA

[@bigboybigbird6818]

Surely that's the battery!

[@andyclark1426]

@@bigboybigbird6818 in the hierarchy it’s starter then batteries then ring gear 😉

[@Crazy4diesels]

Very nice bus. Good to see some old buses being saved.

[@stevethomas363]

Beautiful sound

[@johnmaddox4403]

Lots of clag haha! I love the cooling fan seen through the rear grill, bright yellow got that toy look. Jm

[@NextSound170]

Nice to see a woman who enjoys these exhaust videos.

[@jonplatts7861]

That sound takes me back to my childhood.

[@LadyMoonstar6601]

The smell of an older diesel engine is magical to me. Love it, at Hardy‘s animal farm where me and my family go for a day out in Sutton they have a marvellous Massey Ferguson 135 tractor named Fergie. Her Perkins engine smells amazing

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

You can't beat the smell and sound of an old diesel engine.

[@jonmilligan8069]

Still an emissions pass compared to a new VW! 😂 I love the tick of these engines! 👌

[@Spheredalai]

glorious first time rev, it really do feel like the engine struggles to comes back to life, feels like an achievement, very strong starter too

[@ianwatkins9602]

Clatter and wheeze.....that takes me back😄😄😄

[@charliehitchen5263]

Was part of the design team for the National 2. One of the objectives was to do something about the rear view. It does look like the back end of a bus!

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

The radiator moving to the front on the National 2 must have made your job a lot easier!

[@jamesfrench7299]

I see the 510 is functioning smoothly.

[@basiltaylor8910]

That poor 510 knocking her guts out like a tart in the back of a Ford Zephyr, and cook your breakfast on the starter motor. Like any self respecting 510 Mk1 National to blot out the sun and wake the dead with that whining metallic clatter. Wow 7AM Stroud depot January 1978 stressed out hard pressed mechanics work their fingers to the bone coaxing life into a mixed stud of 680 RE,s and 510 Mk 1 Nationals in order to shift the school kids to Archway, Marling, and Maidenhill, the fog of oily grey exhaust fumes must be seen to be believed, those poor bloody birds unwittingly gassed and drop off their twigs.

[@stevenlangton5607]

you got use to this every morning firing up these machines , especially in the snow with flares or on hard frosty morning we use to start about 45 to 50 of these , we use to look a couple of coal miners after , black faces red eyes start at the back an work your way to the front , happy days then start the coaches ex LCBS(night shift chargehand fitter)

[@basiltaylor8910]

@@stevenlangton5607 C----st !!! you had the unenviable job to coax 50 Mk 1 Nationals from their slumber, your ears must have rung like a struck tubular bell, sounds of straining 510 starter motors played inside your head on an endless loop tape . The awful metallic clatter that greets you when the 510 decides to wake up, to sound on the verge of exploding ,so bad is the uneven firing of still cold cylinders, and did the depot buy Easy-Start in forty five gallon drums.

[@stevenlangton5607]

@@basiltaylor8910 Basil , it sounded like hell , in the colder months not all of them needed coaxing, but a majority did especially the lower fleet numbers , the coaches were n t so bad as they were Leyland tiger (TL11) s but we had to provide a service every day , that was my main aim for the town , but you could see the smoke rising lol , if they we re nt difficult enough to work with anyway , always bit shaking loose , injector pipes , pump couplings , exhausts , and everybody s favourite the rear fan mounting brackets , fan belts , fan bearing s , it was fun always busy lol

[@basiltaylor8910]

@@stevenlangton5607 Yes it was , no wonder Volvo and Scanny swamped our domestic bus coach market, reason is their products are designed to function reliably in sub zero temperatures and better built.

[@stevenlangton5607]

@@basiltaylor8910 when i swopped over too National express they were Volvo powerered, and then onto Dennis Enviro 200 s for their hotel hoppa fleet

[@edbridges1164]

I do love a nice National! Reminds me of my younger years in East Kent and being stupid enough to cross Roads behind them and getting "Napalmed" by drivers as they pull away

[@uenoe233tatrkbussid]

Leyland's Motor Is just ASMR TBH.

[@robhosking9399]

Another quick 510 start up. 🤣👍

[@alanbaker2347]

Really cool video the Leyland National is my favourite bus.........EVER

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

You have good taste. Glad you like the video.

[@alanbaker2347]

@@ethelsshakybusvideos I did Thank U

[@MisterHampshire]

Oh my word, where was this? Without a word of a lie, I travelled on HOR 416L often when I was young. Gosport and Fareham along with its running mate HOR 417L with their other running mates the PCGs, the UAAs, the JBPs all of that era. Absolute distinctive clatter of that National engine.

[@rank1154]

Smells great😊

[@waleedarif6740]

Believe me. In our Universe, no bus from the past and no bus in the far future will beat a bus like this from the Leyland family.

[@cajonesy]

I love the sound of injector knock 😌

[@CreRay]

It's not the injectors making that noise.....

[@slavishad]

​@@CreRaywhat is ?

[@Letshaveafewbeers]

​@@slavishadThe 510 engine is a high compression engine 17:1 so to maximise fuel efficiency back then the compression was high. The lower compression ratio the quieter and less vibration but more fuel burnt though turbo can lessen this. Modern diesels have lower compression and a more complete firing order due to common rail technology making them more refined in sound.

[@SaltimusMaximus]

Went to school every day on one of those in the late 70’s

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

What a lucky kid you were.

[@SaltimusMaximus]

@@ethelsshakybusvideos you know you are old when your school bus is now a classic 😞.

[@abc-ni9uw]

All I can say thank you made my day Hell you made my weekHow you made my week

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

My pleasure. Shame you can't get scratch and sniff screens.

[@abc-ni9uw]

I'm in heartfordshire where are you? For a price i don't suppose a ride/viewing is possible . Late 80s early 90s childhood memos i really can't let go of ​@@ethelsshakybusvideos

[@jbz2079]

Just a normal 510 startup, Takes a while to get enough heat into them for combustion to happen. Then they like telling everyone it has happend

[@CreRay]

I wonder what makes those Leyland engines so much worse to start from cold then similar engines of the same age. I'm no expect but my guess is it is in the fuel pump design, that shifts the timing at start rpm's too late hence making it start "less easy". Mechanical fuel pump are designed to perform to certain standard with "operating rpms" between low idle and high idle, so the start performance at 100-150rpm is more or less a coincidence, and much related to the basic mechanical design and pump cam profile. I guess it was good enough for the Leyland engineers back then to accept it.... (give me a break and don't start with no glow plugs, compression to start, bla bla bla...)

[@tommyboy3227]

What's the technical reason that these Nationals are so difficult (and smokey) to start?

[@cornishadz]

No glowplugs fitted so relying on compression heat to start up. White is unburnt diesel

[@CreRay]

@@cornishadz That doesn't explain why Leyland engines struggle much more then other engines of the same age seam to do. Take a Scania engine from the same age, with mechanical fuel pump. At around 0 degrees those fire up just by looking at the starter button!

[@cjmillsnun]

@@CreRay and they probably have glow plugs to assist starting, bearing in mind they would be designed for colder Swedish climates. The UK would be positively tropical for them.

[@CreRay]

@@cjmillsnun NO truck engine over 8 litres has glow plugs. Some manufacturers like Volvo offer a grid heater. I can tell you for a fact that Daf decided to skip the grid heater option as the engine starts easily without any assistance down to -25 degrees. These engines run at very high peak firing pressures (higher than diesel car engines), glow plugs are unnecessary but would also lower the allowed peak pressure as it weakens the head. Only exception are pre-chamber diesels but then we are talking older than 1960s.

[@CreRay]

@@cjmillsnun also, don’t forget that electronic engine controls have vastly improved the cold starting performance. Look for any truck engine rebuild video and see for yourself: no glow plugs. Or ask a local truck dealer.

[@andymicklewright3749]

Please send this to Greta!

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

I'll also send Greta a jar full of exhaust fumes to sniff.

[@chloedevereaux1801]

gretha tunberg's crying into her forest friendly alpen cereal........ paaahaaahaaahaa

[@dancedecker]

Wonderful. Greta Thunberg would be SO proud. Lol.

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

If only Greta could have been there 😂

[@dancedecker]

@@ethelsshakybusvideos I know. She'd have been SOOO proud. Lol.

[@dazt103]

The perfect school bus...

[@pnegeoff5385]

A lot less pollution than the private jets she uses.

[@stevestace3921]

Was there no cold start device fitted as standard to leyland nationals? Start Pilote fluid pump for example would have saved the starter motor churning away.

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

Leyland Nationals are fitted with a cold start as standard. However, it doesn't work on this bus.

[@cjmillsnun]

@@ethelsshakybusvideos It didn't work on most of them as poor tortured starter motors can surely attest to.

[@duncanledsham3279]

Fantastic 😊

[@matthewvwuk]

Was it wise to rev the nuts out of a cold engine straight after it eventually fired?! Obviously no glow plugs were fitted back then & the battery had to be in tip top condition to power the starter motor.

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

That's not how I'd start a vehicle, but I don't have a heavy right foot...

[@LeylandFiveTen]

In my defence this particular vehicle had a rather significant infestation of diesel bug and a non-functioning cold start (Nationals have CAV thermostarts that in most cases don't work, it's disconnected on this one). The air throttle isn't the most reactive of things on a 510 and as soon as it caught on all six cylinders I backed off, although you can't back off all the way or it'll cut out. Whilst I take the point and agree that it's not good to 'rev the nuts' off a cold engine that reached about half revs for little more than a second before I got it to settle down at a fast idle. Doesn't take long for it to idle with no throttle. It's been out on a few long trips this year and the diesel bug has been worked out of it, things can only get better.

[@markdurber]

0:38➡️0:40: screaming. That is similar to the Chase Bus Services vehicles (similar engine too by the sound of it; Leyland 510) that I used to see around Cannock (I heard these rev at the bus station (especially on cold days; the drivers revved the hell out of them after starting) there and boy were they LOUD! I used to call them “screamers”).

[@AndrewShortel-vx6zj]

Very similar start to a BMC 1500D. Control the revs for 30 secs & then it idles perfect . Welcome to a proper diesel.

[@ChillToMusic87]

Why do these take so long to start?

[@Corey-Goodwin]

Bus next to it and I have similar plans…

[@gazpara1]

She's a goer !!!!!!!

[@steventhornton4716]

That oil pump sounds weak

[@Guard_Amos]

Whats the state of play with the former Pennine Mk1 and was that the former LN5?

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

It is indeed LN5 (JIL 2795) which was originally Southern Vectis 876 (XDL 800L). It was converted to a mobile cafe by a previous owner. The Volvo engine has now been removed and a Leyland 510 engine will be fitted. It is in the restoration queue and will have a thorough strip down and rebuild, complete with bus interior. No idea about timescales. It is believed to be the earliest surviving short (10.3m) National.

[@Guard_Amos]

@Ethel's Shaky Bus Videos thanks for that. My partners Dad drove that many a time in its days at Pennine. Good to see it being put back to a proper National. Always like to wind my other half up that its not

[@Grid56]

Don't remember ever seeing a pennine bus at Laycock when I lived there !

[@Guard_Amos]

@@Grid56 when did you live there. They finished in 2014 ish

[@Grid56]

70s but pennine didn't come to west Yorkshire in those days. we only had tilling red keighley / nbc poppy red west Yorkshire buses apart from the Halifax green and orange from Hebden Bridge every hour and the occasional Lincoln green nbc hired in for cover towards the end of the lodekka era. Pennine serviced skipton North yorks and the surrounding area towards Lancashire. The national was our first modern power steered, semi boxed bus. I thought it was the REs but apparently they didn't have power steering though they did have SCG semi boxes. Although the lwb mk1 national was instantly recognisable due to the clatter, I preferred the more civilised swb mk2 that keighley moved to.

[@johnhall4917]

Plan on entering any euro 6 zones? 😂😂😂

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

Yes. Being a pre-1973 vehicle in the Historic vehicle taxation class it's LEZ and ULEZ exempt! 🙂

[@cannadineboxill-harris2983]

Much as I am not comfortable asking the depot why they stopped running the London Suburban Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW’s on routes N26, 30, 121, 230, 271, 349, N279 And 158 why can’t we make the same make of the Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Buses but Modernise the insides of these Buses. Also, make it low floor up and down and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more so there will be more space for the wheelchair users. By the way, if you could remake and Modernise these vehicles could they also make them into a Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Version’s that if it will be possible and Modernise the insides of these Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW’s make it low floor up and down and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more so there will be more space and even a London Suburban Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more. Why couldn’t we have those London Suburban Buse's Pale red on the top roof Pale red again on the top middle Milk Chocolate brown in the middle Creamy white on the Bottom Middle and Milk Chocolate Brown on the Bottom on most of those kinds of those Particular Double Decker Vehicles? Could you put the Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox in the Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and also put the Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearbox in the Volvo TD102KF Engine East Lancs Olympus and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more and also turn most of them to a London Suburban Buses. By the way, could you also make the routes N26, 349, 121, N279 and 271 into London Suburban Buses and have a mixture of a Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Version. Could they also transfer the Arriva Bus Depots from Hackney to Stagecoach company so they can replace all the Arriva buses and all of them can go to Birmingham and Leeds? They can be replaced by Stagecoach Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearbox Volvo TD102KF Engine East Lancs Olympus and also Extend the Middle body part of these Vehicles and that includes A Mixture of a Stagecoach Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearbox Volvo TD102KF, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LXCT Engine Northern Counties Palatine One and that Includes a Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles A Little Bit More. Can Arriva London Bus Company Replace Most of their Wight Buses so they can also transfer them to Birmingham and Also Manchester so they can be replaced by Loud 3-Speed ZF Ecomat Gearboxes Volvo D10A Engine East Lancs Olympus and also Extend the Middle body part of these Vehicles A Little Bit More Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Much. Oh buy the way could the bus Factory Companies also Make More of Those Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel engine Olympian ECW Vehicles And that also includes Those Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Cummins L10 Enviro 400 MMC And also Extend the Middle Body part of those Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Vehicles and the Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Cummins L10 Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles and that also includes The Loud 3-Speed ZF Ecomat Gearboxes Volvo D10A Engine East Lancs Olympus A Little Bit More And Paint Those 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Cummins L10 Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles and also those Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel engine Olympian ECW Vehicles and that also includes The Northern Counties Palatine One with a Volvo TD102KF, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LXCT Diesel engines with a Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearboxes and The Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles and also The Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Cummins L10 Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles to the Grey Green Colours Just Like The Other Original Scania Grey Green on the Bus Route 313 and the 103, If all The Leyland Titan B15’s are Fully Red and even Mostly Red, could they also Repaint All of The Leyland Titan B15’s into Grey Green Colours Just Like The Other Original Scania Grey Green on the Bus Route 313 so they can Reuse them for Only Every 6 and a Half Months and also Reuse them on those Rail Replacement London Bus Routes if that will Be Alright for Only Just Every 6 and a Half Months and also Reuse Those Buses Only on the London Bus Routes witch are The 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 41, N26 so Please make sure that the builders can do as they are told!!!!!!!!!! And please do something about these Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Important Professional Ideas Please Please Prime Minister and also Includes the Mayor of London.😉😉😉😉😉😄😄

[@basiltaylor8910]

Have you seen those Borismasters, bloody awful, designed by a cretin, tell me more about those noisy Leyland Limpalongs Gardner 6LX with 4-speed Leyland Hydra-Cyclic Autobox. As We in Stroud had the basic Limpalongs with the attractive Charles Roe Bodywork, Gardner 6LXB , twirling a 5 speed Dual Mode Hydracyclic. Good hill climbers, but Stroud Depot blew many Hydracylics on steep hilly routes like the 92 to Forest Green, because in Auto Mode 1st gear or crawler is not available ,then drivers were taught to use the hold function marked 1 before climbing a steep hill. Some drove the Limpalongs in semi-auto mode, those old Limpalongs can pull, nothing beats a Gardner 6LX Hydracylic toggled in 1st for climbing steep hills.

[@conesuela1]

You're not a fan of the full stop, then?

[@iangaines1135]

Where is this place?

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

It is a bus storage and restoration place. With the ever present risk of theft and vandalism storage locations are never disclosed. The landlord doesn't permit visitors but many of the restored buses kept there can be seen at bus events open to the public.

[@metalman4141]

Just a bit of condensation that’s all

[@imcadam121]

Sounds like a MK 1 to me.

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

Correct and a very early one too.

[@alangordon3283]

Don’t rev it ffs let it warm up first.

[@owenlewis8006]

There’s plenty of oil around the engine from all that cranking.

[@trainsfan2114]

HELLLFIRE

[@luishaywood970]

Fresh oil change and a shot off Redex Diesel… Additive… Into a full tank… 👍👍

[@newuk26]

This video made Greta Thunberg have a coughing fit

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

Shame Greta hasn't got a scratch and sniff screen.

[@jamesfrench7299]

More like a hissy fit.

[@scotty6346]

Leyland 510, A dog of an engine!

[@jamesfrench7299]

Woof woof glutta glutta glutta glutta

[@scotty6346]

@@jamesfrench7299 😂Spot on mate! Preferred the Volvo and Daf powered ones we had when i was driving Nationals 👌

[@jamesfrench7299]

What would you say about a MAN Voith transplant? Canberra did about 20 with MAN D2566UH 11 litre with 3 speed Voith like the MCW metros.

[@scotty6346]

@@jamesfrench7299 My experience with Voiths were in Volvo Olympian's for city driving, I didn't like them as we had to use them rural (Devon) And they were basically gutless, Give me a town and country Volvo Olympian (Which i also drove) with a ZF gearbox for rural any day! 👌

[@jamesfrench7299]

Whereas I drove MAN SL202s with Voith and the aforementioned engine and liked driving them. They were not popular with most drivers as they were very slow off the mark but gave a nice smooth takeoff for passengers. They were ok once they got going. I found the ZF version of the same bus rougher and noisier. The Voith was kinder on the engine.

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

Pacer

[@gianlucagalbiati9646]

😢😢

[@paultilly]

emissions lol what emissions

[@ethelsshakybusvideos]

It'll clean up when the engine warms up!

[@paulwebb6087]

Abandon ship

[@DigitalDiabloUK]

It just insulted someone's khazak mother 😂

[@ГришаКостинян]

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