LG Calibration Studio - Hardware Calibration (using 27GR95QE)

[@PCMonitors]

For newer software versions (including 6.8.2 and above) HDR calibration is now supported with select monitors, confirmed for higher end Ultrafine OLED Pro models with intregrated calibration sensor. It could be only for models with their own integrated sensor. If anybody could confirm this works or doesn't work with the 27GR95QE or other model without integrated sensor that would be useful.

[@LuciferXV]

Still can't calibrate in hdr on this model sadly.

[@PCMonitors]

Ah, must just be for models with the integrated colorimeter. Thanks for confirming!

[@ExceptionalWorld]

@@PCMonitors With my Spyder X Pro I can calibrate my 27GR95QE in HDR mode

[@PCMonitors]

@@ExceptionalWorldNo, calibration is only for SDR for models without integrated colorimeter.

[@daemonkisure2952]

@@PCMonitors so there is no way to calibrate hdr for this monitor?

[@dirtsloth]

very helpful info that I couldn't find anywhere else. I was wondering why it was also creating a software ICC profile in addition to the hardware calibration but you explained it perfectly

[@juanblanco7898]

Thank you for this video, that's exactly what I wanted to see with regards to this model. Blows my mind how people could just skip over such an important feature! Would have been nice to see the results of a more accurate calibration mode wich uses more test patches to know how accurate it could possibly get, though, since the gamma/grayscale seems to leave a bit more to be desired, imo, for a display at this price point.

[@PCMonitors]

The more thorough testing relates to the colour patch testing and colour space conversion rather than greyscale testing, so that wouldn't change the gamma behaviour. You could expect some calibration runs to yield superior results to what was shown in the video either way, though.

[@juanblanco7898]

@@PCMonitors Hm, interesting. Thank you!

[@claudioabado3317]

Why do you say "the gamma/grayscale seems to leave a bit more to be desired"? Have you actually used/seen one calibrated? Seems to me, judging by the validation results that the color temperature was very consistent throughout the grayscale close to 6500K.

[@claudioabado3317]

If the monitor behaves consistently, more patches will not result in more accuracy.

[@RoadRallyLife]

Helpful info for calibration of my lg 40WP95C-W...im having issues where it is calibrating WB greener/warmer than my fully calibrated BenQ. Kind of driving me crazy.

[@claudioabado3317]

It maybe a function of your own Color Matching function. I have the same situation between my NEC PA271W and my old Eizo CG21.

[@BenPhanStudios]

Awesome video, thanks! No reference to the target color space is problematic, especially since a lot of the LG monitors I'm interested in only list DCI-P3 coverage. I mainly edit video in Rec 709, so I was hoping this software could confirm the percentage of color space achieved. Thanks!

[@Un1234l]

Excellent guide, thanks. Everything I wanted to know about and more.

[@thomascupid29]

I have the same model But my meter sensor is greyed out ?? And I can't calibrate but cant proceed

[@SaskiaDhanyaधन्य]

same here. i'm afraid that we have to buy the sensor seperately, it doesn't come with the monitor, at least not with my LG ultragear 32850b..

[@thomascupid29]

Ohh okay. Thanks for letting me know. I’m glad it’s not just me

[@quendi666hell]

This looks great but I can't get it to work with my 27GS95QE. I have a ColorMunki Photo that works perfectly with my Eizo CS2420 and Color Navigator 7, but I can't avoid the "Communication error occurred with the meter (sensor)" message with LG Calibration Studio 🤯

[@ytctuser]

Hi,great channel!As someone who's eyes are VERY sensitive to AMOLED phone screens and also to PWM,I want to ask you how are these OLED monitors when it comes to eye strain in comparison to PWM free LCDs. As far as I know this model has no PWM,but it does still flicker and I'm not talking about VRR related flickering.Thank you.

[@PCMonitors]

Viewing comfort is a very individual thing and there are many factors to consider - pcmonitors.info/articles/factors-influencing-pc-monitor-viewing-comfort/. I find OLED monitors perfectly comfortable - they don't use PWM (unlike most phones), but are not entirely flicker-free either. From one of our 240Hz WOLED reviews: "As is common for OLED screens, the screen uses low amplitude oscillation - so there’s a slight cyclical dip in brightness in sync with the refresh rate, for example every 4.17ms at 240Hz. This was recordable via oscilloscope and can be observed by a camera with certain settings, but is very different to the more pronounced brightness changes accompanying PWM. As such, it shouldn’t be bothersome to most users and the monitor can be considered ‘flicker-free’ as advertised. Sensitive users could potentially find this bothersome, particularly at lower refresh rates. We’ve communicated with some individuals who are particularly sensitive to PWM flickering but find OLED screens with similar brightness regulation comfortable to view, so sensitivity to PWM doesn’t necessarily mean this will be problematic."

[@ytctuser]

@@PCMonitors Thank you for your swift response!I have just one more question. Do IPS panels suffer from VRR flickering like all VA panels seem to unfortunately do?

[@PCMonitors]

@@ytctuser Very rarely - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/questions-regarding-brightness-flickering-under-vrr/.

[@ytctuser]

@@PCMonitors So G-SYNC models have less VRR flickering than non G-SYNC/G-SYNC compatible ones.Very interesting stuff.Most people say that the G-SYNC monitor experience is indistinguishable from the one without a dedicated module.Thank you again for your answer.

[@bledarrm7976]

@@PCMonitors Asus just released a new update mcm104 regarding hdr and colour saturation improvement by 30%

[@pianoman1973]

Thanks for the thorough explanation ! I bought a new 4k LGUP85NP monitor ( a rebrand of the LGUP850NW ) - which has a high color gamut ( DCI-P3 95% ) and calibrated as you shown with the profile being sRGB, Although the accuracy report shows the delta to be < 2 , I see a clear color shift towards green / yello on skin tones compared to my ASUS PRO ART monitor ( which was calibrated with the SpiderX Elite ) - I also tried calibrating the LG with the SpiderX , it fixed some of the color shift but still - much more greenish than the ASUS. Any idea what I may be doing wrong ? It doesn't make sense that the difference should be so much visible with 2 montitors both being deletaE < 2

[@PCMonitors]

Different backlights with very different spectral outputs can cause such differences during side by side comparison. In such cases sticking to software calibration and manually adjusting the green channel to try to offset this may be better.

[@pianoman1973]

@@PCMonitors Thanks .. will try

[@claudioabado3317]

Are you comparing in Photoshop?

[@kompira8586]

I'm considering buying it as a second monitor next to my CX. I understand you can't calibrate HDR with the LG Calibration Studio app. How fast does the panel drift? My CX was very inaccurate after just 200 hours. After 500, even more so. Thankfully, I can calibrate HDR modes with Calman. Can you hear the fan? I don't have a PC in the same room, so it's pretty quiet.

[@PCMonitors]

OLEDs are generally considered to drift quite a bit initially and then settle into a slower drift. It's not linear. I comment on the fan noise in the review - pcmonitors.info/reviews/lg-ultragear-27gr95qe-b/#Features_and_aesthetics.

[@matthewgrdinic1238]

I recently bought the LG Ultrafine OLED Pro 27EQ850 and the most recent calibration studio app does indeed support HRD calibration. However, that monitor includes its own hardware calibration camera so it could be that’s the key to enabling that functionality.

[@ragtop63]

I have a 27GP950-B. The OSD menu shows 2 custom calibration slots. However, the LG Calibration Software doesn’t show me a profile drop-down to select which profile to save to. Just curious if you’ve ever run into that issue?

[@ragtop63]

For anyone with a LG 27GP950 or 27GN950 (or 850, I think), the solution to this issue is that LG Calibration Studio stores the first calibration in Calibration 1. When you do another calibration, it moves Calibration 1 to Calibration 2 and stores the new calibration in Calibration 1. It will repeat that behavior for every new calibration. There's no information anywhere in the process that tells you it's doing this. I had to do some deep searching to find out what was going on. Hope this helps someone.

[@Yannisphotoforce]

My friend i am a photographer and i am trying to check which oled mo itors or TVs have hardware calibration feature and cant find any list. Is tbis the only one model that has hardware calibration?

[@PCMonitors]

For LG models you have to look at LG's product pages and find mention of "Calibration Studio", other manufacturers may just mention hardware calibration. We cover some models on our website as well, so you can search that for "hardware calibration" to see some examples of monitors which support the feature - pcmonitors.info/.

[@s4nder86]

Is there no way to do proper nonlinear sRGB gamma?

[@tourmaline07]

Wonder if this can help with colour uniformity issues which I'm dealing with on an LG 32gr93u which I've just got. Not really bad but somewhat distracting when viewing websites as a patch of the monitor tends towards magenta more. This sort of thing can be corrected with LUTs , does the LG studio have the ability to map these out? I saw you only calibrate over one central portion of the monitor.

[@PCMonitors]

Uniformity Compensation is possible with some models, but it's not deemed necessary by LG on their OLEDs hence not a feature that was available on the monitor I was showcasing. This wouldn't correct for any viewing angle related weaknesses, which can also cause such issues peripherally (including vignetting on some IPS models).

[@tourmaline07]

@@PCMonitors Thanks for the reply - is there anywhere I can find out which models? I've been struggling to find anything out about this Uniformity Compensation feature. Given how the panel lottery is a thing this should be available much more widely

[@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll]

great to have find this video! one question, when I open the software in my monitor, I also see a section called 3DLut (underneath "Calibration) on the far left vertical list of options. what is the difference between 3dLUT and Calibration?

[@PCMonitors]

I'm not sure as it wasn't an option for the model shown in the video. It may allow for a more thorough calibration on your model (which includes a user-addressable 3D LUT), which could be more accurate but take longer. I'd recommend trying that and seeing how you find it.

[@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll]

@@PCMonitors many thanks. one question, if I select from the OSD menu other color profile, woudl that automatically change the ICC file in windows., I find the ICC filenames hard to understand, so i dont know which one is which? I tpyically calibrate Native and then each of the main spaces, AdobeRGB, Srgb and P3. they appear now in the menu as Adobergb(calibration), sRGB calibration...

[@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll]

@@PCMonitors if it matters to my second question below, my monitor model is 32EP950-B

[@PCMonitors]

No, ICC profiles are software-based and they aren't switched by simply switching the preset of the monitor. It might help if you rename the ICC profiles after they're created so they're easier for you to distinguish.

[@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll]

@@PCMonitors Thanks. I Will do. I will have to manually find each by one and noticing the timestamp. to give you an idea my latest "Native 120 nits 6500k, 2.2 gamma" file is named LG2024-5-5-22-116-6460. besides the date, does the 116-6460 means anything to you? maybe it was the achived brightness and temperature?

[@DetaiIist]

So only sdr has this calibration, right? You can’t calibrate hdr i guess. Also should i calibrate hdr using windows hdr calibration app?

[@PCMonitors]

@@DetaiIist SDR only. The Windows HDR calibration is very simplistic and won't make much difference in most cases, but is still worth trying and can sometimes help.

[@DetaiIist]

@@PCMonitors Okay thank you, btw since i can't afford that calibrator device, i am still happy because i mostly play games that has hdr :)

[@neosaber4]

Is it possible to do calibration without the item that you used? I just want to calibrate my lg G27gs95qe with the software

[@PCMonitors]

@@neosaber4 How would it work without a calibration instrument to measure the screen?

[@neosaber4]

@@PCMonitors sorry i’m new to this… i thought i could do that… maybe i can copy someone that already calibrated my model

[@PCMonitors]

@@neosaber4 Due to inter-unit variation that isn't ideal. If strong accuracy is important to you, investing in your own calibration hardware is wise. Otherwise using the monitor's appropriate preset(s) and making your own adjustments in the OSD might be best.

[@neosaber4]

@@PCMonitors ok thank you for the advice i appreciate that

[@quantiii]

What Hardware Calibrator do you use, for OLED? And is there one for Hdr too?

[@PCMonitors]

1:11. And see the pinned comment regarding HDR calibration.

[@simracermike800]

Does the monitor come with this sensor? I didn't see anything like this calibration sensor in my packaging?

[@PCMonitors]

@@simracermike800 No, it's purchased separately.

[@Zeryth960]

Since this only works for SDR there doesn't seem to be a point for me to calibrate to P3 right? and I would have to go and calibrate in software(displaycal to get correct hdr performance?

[@PCMonitors]

If you wish to use DCI-P3 for SDR content creation (some do), it can be useful. Or if you wish to tighten up colour channel balance and gamna whilst using the native gamut of the monitor.

[@Zeryth960]

@@PCMonitors Alright, thanks, So just calibrate to clamp to srgb and then use software calibration to get the hdr mode correct? I'll only use this monitor for content consumption such as games and video, so I just want to get the best representation of the "creators intent".

[@Chemy1UP]

lg calibration studio can be used with 27GS95QE ???

[@PCMonitors]

Yes.

[@Gioxtream]

Brother. Please do a calibration on the LG 32GQ950-B MONITOR. I would appreciate it very much.

[@PCMonitors]

Not going to happen. But this video is about the software and isn't specific to one monitor.

[@firasudis4978]

Hello sir I always use a 2K IPS monitor, and I currently have an Asus ROG Pg329q, but I want to buy a Lg 27gr95qe Is there a big difference between this monitor and the asus pg329q IPS in terms of colors? Using PC and PS5

[@PCMonitors]

There is a difference, but the main benefits you'll notice come from responsiveness and contrast in this case.The 27GR95QE has better colour consistency, due to its OLED panel, but the IPS-type panel of the PG329Q is still strong in that respect. So a difference, but not a huge one. The PG329Q has a wider gamut (greater Adobe RGB coverage) so has more greater vibrancy potential particularly for green-biased and cyan shades and is more suitable for work within the Adobe RGB colour space. P.S. Try to avoid using the term '2K' to describe the 1440p/QHD resolution as it's misleading - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/sacrificing-refresh-rate-for-resolution/#post-53418.

[@firasudis4978]

@@PCMonitors I appreciate your time.Thank you bro for the information on a Monitor and 2k resolution

[@ahtoomians]

Doesn't seem to be a way to enable DAS on the monitor when you calibrate it does it? I guess it is a moot point since as far as I know, games don't respect icc color profiles.. correct me if im wrong.

[@PCMonitors]

Hardware calibration works by creating new monitor presets and as explained in the video doesn't rely on ICC profiles. You can't enable DAS Mode at the same time, but even without it input lag is still reasonable (on the 27GR95QE at least).

[@ahtoomians]

@@PCMonitors makes sense. thank you for the explanation.

[@YuuToobz]

@@PCMonitors This hardware calibration feature on LG monitors still relies on the use of the ICC profile LCS spits out. Your display will look wrong if that specific ICC profile isn't used while your monitor mode is set to cal1/cal2. Source: LG.

[@PCMonitors]

​@@YuuToobz As noted in the video the ICC profile is there primarily to feed gamut mapping information to colour-aware applications. Without it the program isn't aware of the gamut capabilities of the display and can't correct appropriately for various smaller colour spaces than the profile is created for. You don't "need" to use the ICC profiles if your intent is only to use the display within the colour space used when you calibrated the monitor.

[@YuuToobz]

@@PCMonitors Did you actually check the results against real content though? I've never been able to get a HW cal to look right across two models that use this feature, and after some lengthy heated discussions with LG they repeatedly insist use of the ICC profile is needed. I gave up using it regardless as the results are pretty crap either way, regardless of what the numbers say in the report some colours just don't look right, particularly with the whitepoint being too far off(as shown in your video) as well as minor banding in greyscale which is a deal breaker in itself.

[@GODLIKE99KINGZ]

Can i do this in hdr mode on to improve colors?

[@PCMonitors]

As covered in the video, it's only for SDR.

[@realgasta93]

I have a problem, lg calibration studio says that i have to remove the mirror mode in order to procede. How i do that? I haven't seen tutorial about

[@PCMonitors]

It thinks you're using multiple displays, in mirror mode. If you're using multiple displays try disabling all but the one you're trying to calibrate.

[@realgasta93]

@@PCMonitors you know how can i do it?

[@PCMonitors]

A simple way would be to disconnect any screens you aren't using. But it's easily managed via Windows display settings - support.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/set-up-dual-monitors-on-windows-3d5c15dc-cc63-d850-aeb6-b41778147554.

[@realgasta93]

@@PCMonitors ok thank you

[@billx4266]

i have the LG27GR93u if i want to use this, should i put it first in srgb mode? Game mode Gamer 1 or SRGB? Thanks

[@PCMonitors]

The software puts the monitor in the correct mode ('Calibration 1', 'Calibration 2' etc.)

[@billx4266]

@@PCMonitors Ok thanks whats the best mode, because DCI P3 puts the monitor in gamma 2.6 and its not good, because the blacks are crushed.... I took native with gamma 2.2 and i like the result. So if i understand, color aware programs needing just srgb are using that space then now? Thx

[@PCMonitors]

Yeah, customising the gamma and colour space settings to your liking as shown in the video is good. You can use a DCI-P3 gamut or just the native gamut and target '2.2' gamma. Also note what was said about the ICC profiles the program generates - if they're used then colour-aware applications are aware of the gamut and can correct as necessary.

[@billx4266]

@@PCMonitors ok thx, another question, if you calibrated the monitor, is it good to get rid of the calibration software? because it behaves very annoyingly, if i start a game it interupt my game and come to the foreground....

[@PCMonitors]

@@billx4266 Sure, you can remove the software when not using it for calibration.

[@TheWretchedWorld]

In my testing it’s inaccurate compared to using software like display cal with the same colorimeter

[@Soundwave857]

I wish my high end MSI offered this...

[@doflamingo9811]

do i need a hardware to do CALIBRATION ?

[@PCMonitors]

Yes - how else would it work?

[@billx4266]

How long does a colorimeter last?

[@claudioabado3317]

Years

[@AxelBertholle]

So to make an HDR Calibration with this LG APP, you need to have a Colorimetric sensor? I mean shouldn't be an mode where we can do that without paying extra components? What about the settings in windows 11? And the ones you can manage with the remote? Is that not enough already? Cheers

[@PCMonitors]

LG Calibration Studio is purely for SDR calibration. The only way you can accurately calibrate a monitor is using a sensor that can "see" what it is displaying. Anything else is "tweaking" rather than true calibration.

[@AxelBertholle]

Oh alright, still the fact you need to buy a $200 extra bucks to make those settings, I don't find this very appealing... Still I completely understand @@PCMonitors :). I own the 27GR95QE as well and I did some settings for SDR, HDR, SRGB, etc (videos on YT) but only from the control panel, for HDR is it enough or we can make it better?

[@matthewgrdinic1238]

Posted in another thread but just to make clear: the most recent version of the calibration studio app supports HDR calibration for my LG Ultrafine OLED Pro 27EQ850 using its provided sensor. It’s a $2000 monitor however so it darn well better 😅

[@PCMonitors]

Version 6.8.2? And did it give you any obvious prompts or include in the settings something that made it clear it would perform HDR calibration? If anybody could confirm this works with the 27GR95QE that would be useful.

[@jd5507]

what colorimeter (sp?) are you using?

[@PCMonitors]

1:18.

[@mle8603]

@@PCMonitors is the ColorChecker Display good enough to calibrate this monitor?

[@PCMonitors]

@@mle8603 It would be worth asking LG support and making sure. It replaces the X-Rite ColorMunki Display if I recall correctly, I'm not sure that was ever supported.

[@mle8603]

@@PCMonitors I just calibrated my monitor with the LG Studio and i1display pro. I set it to the calibration 1 profile and noticed I can’t turn off the energy setting anymore. Do you know if this is detrimental to the abl?

[@PCMonitors]

@@mle8603 Refer to the written review this is covered - pcmonitors.info/reviews/lg-ultragear-27gr95qe-b/#Contrast_and_brightness .

[@iCHRIS-x]

Can you do this without a color calibrator ?

[@PCMonitors]

No, it needs to take readings from the screen.

[@iCHRIS-x]

@@PCMonitors dam , thanks .. I really wanted to calibrate my Lg 27 oled

[@claudioabado3317]

@@iCHRIS-xIt's worth the $200.

[@s4nder86]

@@iCHRIS-x They only cost 100-300 bucks, not very expensive compared to high end monitors.

[@Flixlim]

Where is the USB-C port on this monitor...?

[@PCMonitors]

It doesn't have USB-C, just Type-B (upstream) and Type-A (downstream). Some LG monitors that are compatible with LG Calibration Studio do have USB-C, but on this one you need to connect to the USB-B port.

[@bledarrm7976]

What’s better in hdr? This or the asus?

[@PCMonitors]

Best to wait for the review (coming soon) as both will be compared.

[@tenthirty82]

This is a bit much! It’s really not hard to calibrate your monitor or tv to “your” liking. Just find a game like last of us part 1. Go to brightness and adjust your monitor based on that and it will look perfect! For brights… turn contrast to max and then decrease until you see the shadow detail in the clouds.