LGR - Retro City Rampage 486 for DOS

[@Knuxfan24]

RCR486 is a great example of "Doing It For The Art". There's really no point to this version existing, but the fact that it does is just amaze-o.

[@zoltankovai1839]

It's called PR. They know their audience and and they make things that will make a rep for them amongst it.

[@hakimESC]

@zoltan no, check the post mortem where he explains why he did that. He just needed to recharge battery, to play, explore, he did it as his “vacation”. So out of pure love for his hobby.

[@oz_jones]

@@hakimESC "I wanted to have a vacation from coding so I coded a game" Joking aside, different languages etc. It's still neat as hell that he did this.

[@thejoyofsticks]

Cloth map!? Cloth map! Every game should have a cloth map.

[@thejoyofsticks]

+sankunsama That's the thing. These days you have to pay through the nose for a 'limited special goatee edition' to get anything other than a DVD case and disc. Back in the day you would get stuff in the box as standard. I don't remember paying a premium for Infocom games and they were crammed with tidbits. Even my budget version of Pac Land came with a poster and badge. Bethesda can 'afford' whatever they damn well like, but it's all about squeezing every last penny of profit out of the consume these days. Grumble grumble, old man moan...

[@eeyuup]

+The Joy of Sticks Agreed completely.

[@Sahfarry]

I know right!

[@SeekerGoldstone]

It's printed on an eye - glass cleaning cloth... about the size of a credit card. it's more of a gag than anything else

[@thejoyofsticks]

Seeker Goldstone Aww, that's a shame. Thanks for the info. You've saved me a few quid and a little disappointment. I'll save my money for that ST version of Ultima IV instead. :)

[@EnigmaHood]

Looks better than Rom City Rampage which isn't too surprising considering how much more powerful a 486 is than an NES. Kind of neat, Brian is an excellent programmer and he spent over a decade making RCR so it's not surprising that he wants to continue hacking at it but I hope he moves on to new projects, I'd like to see a new game from him. Hopefully it won't take a decade to come out though although at least he has the excuse of being a one man development team unlike someone else we know... *cough* 3dr *cough*.

[@fugaziman]

Shakedown Hawaii came out in 2019 if you haven’t already played it

[@EposVox]

This is really really cool.

[@greenphlem]

Oh shit it's you

[@torgo_]

LGR, this is a beautiful thing to see! Wow, the commitment of the developer, he must be a real DOS-nerd, just like us! It's sad, there's so much focus these days on retro console gaming, which is far less interesting or varied in my opinion. You'll probably never see this comment, but: my goofy shoegaze band and I (when we were young and irresponsible rockers in the Melbourne indie scene 5 years ago) were big DOS nerds, so when we released our album we released the entire thing in MIDI on a floppy diskette! the handful of fans we had were really impressed and they lapped them up, though i doubt even one of them actually had the hardware to load them up. The floppy also included some horribly-compressed photos and animated gifs of our band

[@GIKAS123]

I love your channel. It has reviews of games and stuff that I could never imagine getting a review! Thank you, for everything.

[@Michirin9801]

This is awesome!! I'm really impressed that they could make their game run on DOS! This makes me want to put my own game that I'm making on real TG16 and Sega Genesis hardware...

[@sgamer-xc1bd]

On actual hu-cards or flash carts? I don't think I've ever seen homebrew TG16 games

[@Michirin9801]

90sgamer92Eng I know of one, but I forgot the name... But well, I could put it on CD right? Even if it would only use chiptunes for music...

[@RajelAran]

+Ruko Michiharu I believe there's a TG16 card in the Everdrive series of flashcarts. Tototek has one as well, IIRC.

[@Michirin9801]

root02 Yeah I know, I'll totally get one whenever I get my own Turbografx 16

[@KuraIthys]

I''ve always been tempted to create an SNES game. In my more masochistic moments, I've also been tempted to create an N64 one. ... Seriously, nobody does N64 homebrew. (and with good reason. XD)

[@ghost085]

Does it means this is the last commercial game released for MS DOS?

[@LGR]

Arguably yes!

[@MiiMaker]

wow, also it's the last game released for PSP too!1! Now I'm waiting for the DS, NES, Genesis version!

[@vladdenysenko7822]

Mii Maker The original prototype (which you can play in the game itself) was actually made for NES.

[@DanielMonteiroNit]

Hold my beer

[@DanielMonteiroNit]

(for real - just check my channel)

[@renbelmont]

Hey thanks for telling me about indie box, that's really cool.

[@LGR]

Sure thing! I've got a full video too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXqnc4amitZlmpY

[@BlaqMambaHD]

+Lazy Game Reviews Do the indie box games also include a code for Steam?

[@LGR]

+Ernest Wolf They do, yes. There's a code on a sticker on the outside of the box.

[@asiu19]

+Ernest Wolf jup, every box comes with a steam key ^^

[@BlaqMambaHD]

Lazy Game Reviews asiu19 Thanks for replying. Once I get some money, I'll definitely order a couple.

[@ArkThePieKing]

Oh man, this was just great. You get it. *you get it*. Yeah you can play a newer, slicker, more polished version of something, but that's not the point. It's the sheer novelty of seeing something recreated through digital witchcraft on an older/less optimal platform. This review really made me happy, honest it did.

[@ncshuriken]

+ArkThePieKing Retroizm, its alive! There's a few niches doing this in the music scene too, mixing down on crusty old reel-reels and releasing on tapes. Something to wet your capstans on, if your tape deck still works!

[@adrianolopes_sp]

One of the bests channels I've ever found. I hope you make a lot from what you give us.

[@LGR]

Glad you think so :) It certainly keeps me happy!

[@-DeScruff]

Well Its time I pulled my Pentium 1 PC out of storage and open that old box of floppy disks! ... Until I remember my current PC doesn't have a floppy drive to copy the game files to... Then I will pull out my old windows 95 PC, which does have a flop drive! ... Until I realize that thing doesn't have drivers for my flash drives... Then I will pull out my blank CDs and burn the files on so I can transfer them that way! ... Until I remember my current PC doesn't have an optical drive ether... Alright alright, I'll just pull the 2GB hard drive out of the Windows 95 PC, and put it into my current PC which does have an IDE connector on the Mobo! ... Wait, my PSU doesn't have a molex plug, and I forgot where I put the spare cables... This is harder then I expected.

[@midwestspleeno]

You could grab yourself a cheap USB Optical drive to use with your current PC :3

[@Frenziefrenz]

I had a floppy drive connector in my motherboard until a couple of years ago. When I realized my new motherboard wouldn't have one (and honestly, did I really want one anyway?) I dug through all of my old floppies to see if there was anything interesting backed up. The closest I got was a floppy that contained a story I wrote, "the alien attack". Anyway, I connected the floppy drive and dd-ed the image. Perfect! But as it turns out I cleverly enabled some Windows 98 disk compression on it. Long story short, I had to grab myself a technically illegal Win 98 VirtualBox image, because I had neither the old Windows 3.11 floppy disks nor the Windows 98 update CD-ROM at my disposal. (Both are safe and sound at my parents' place.) I was then able to mount the floppy disk in virtual Windows 98 and extract the files onto a second (uncompressed) disk image, because I couldn't quickly figure out any other way to get files out of the VM. PS I just bought a USB cassette player. Fingers crossed.

[@sjogosPT]

Frenziefrenz windows 98 had a utility called Drive Space. I used that back in the day too. No problems at that time (year 2000s) becouse all people had win95, 98 or ME and i could read my floppy everywere. When i got winxp i had to uncompress all my floppys, becouse microsoft dropped drivespace. Too bad really. Drive space was really nice for removable media. For some time i tried to copy drivespace program from win98 to xp, but it didnt work.

[@Frenziefrenz]

I don't know if it'd have worked on Win 95 'cause now that you mention it I think it was DriveSpace 2 or 3. ;-)

[@storerestore]

USB floppy drives are cheap

[@Larry]

It's nice to see it running on a 486, but the only issue really is it still is using NES style graphics, if this was a genuine port from back in the day, it definitely wouldn't look like this compared to the original, they would have used the PC's own advantage, colour schemes Etc. Yes I know that's not what he was going for, but it would have been cool to see a port look like what it would have.

[@LGR]

There _are_ PC graphics modes in the game, as I showed at 02:52! Also, there were plenty of ports to PC back in the day that looked close to their original intended system. Games were often ported over from the ZX Spectrum, Atari ST, NES, Megadrive and the like, which more or less kept their original look intact due to artistic choice and/or lazy porting :) Furthermore, this DOES use the PC's color palette and capabilities. It's a straight-up MS-DOS executable that is restricted to what a machine of the era could do. Aesthetic choices were all over the place for 256-color DOS games back then, many of which emulated the look and feel of the NES, and I don't see this as any particular exception!

[@RetroGUY77]

In that case. The Amstrad CPC version would just be the speccy's one!

[@Larry]

Lazy Game Reviews But it definitely wouldn't look like this at the time. They could barely fathom 2 way scrolling back then, let alone 256. I mean look at the PC port of Mega Man compared to the NES original.

[@RetroGUY77]

+Larry Bundy Jr I know! They weren't setting out for a 100% accurate conversion but it would've been cool

[@drumcorcaigh5770]

This 2 year old nerdy argument from my two of my favourite gaming nerds gave me a laugh.

[@GameEnthus]

This game and seeing your Gravis Gamepad are incredibly cool. I still look for my Gravis whenever I am at my parents' house.

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

imagine gta 5 on floppy disks lol

[@emacs_]

+NonsensicalSpudz 45 thousand floppies!

[@Altorin]

only 4000 high capacity floppy disks :p

[@RRW359]

+NonsensicalSpudz No, imagine the swapping!

[@1310up]

+davidbrinkman1999 I had flashback of [R]etry when I tried to install doom on floppy disk at a friend's house , just thinking about it. There was always a broken floppy disc always one...

[@oz_jones]

+LoiLkoLpLokLop And it was usually the last one. Because fuck you. :D

[@mik4k6]

I LOVE the emphasis of Hexadecimal limitations on the older systems. The Achievements screen references "65,536 pixels" (one over the 16-bit "FFFF") and "256 civilians" (one over the 8-bit "FF"). :)

[@tappajavittu]

This is so cool, I hope other developers will start doing similar releases.

[@kuanlee6294]

I felt the same way you did about this game for a long time. But after I played GTA 2 I started missing the stuff that was in RCR, and it made me appreciate it a lot more.

[@pitfalljerry]

I been playing it on my Nintendo 3DS XL. It is so much fun.

[@CorneliusSneedley]

For me, the most astonishing thing is it fits on one 3.5" floppy.

[@NovemberJoy]

It just blows my mind that he fit the game in such a tiny space while making it run perfectly with such limited specs! Too bad I don't own the PC version...

[@setsukiFR]

Yay ! I've wanted to see the MS-DOS version running for a while. I knew you'd do it ! Thank you

[@XyNoST]

Thanks man ! Didn't knew about this version ! All these cool updates for free ! I checked the local folder in steam and the zip files were there ! Big coincidence a friend of mine gave me a Toughbook CF63 3-4 days ago !!!

[@Jorendo]

Who could have thought....they still make games for the 486 :) Awesome!

[@TheKsax]

I had no idea about this release, thank you LGR! I just ordered a new DOS game for my newly restored 486 laptop! To bad it is most obscure laptop ever. I think you would like it. While you collecting big bulky PC, I prefer collecting laptops, though that have a side effect of having no information about released products, as laptops generally less adopted compare to big PC, meaning supporting them also more difficult. Also you might find it amusing, but I got my hands on world best 486 CPU! I am not gonna tell you which one, please try to guess it.

[@AdiiLEl]

Man, i can't even remember the last time i used a floppy disk

[@Kilen81]

+AdiiL Elmotawakil I used one yesterday when flashing a new bios on my AM2+ motherboard. It was a tense 30 seconds waiting for the files to load in and overwriting the old bios :)

[@ghostisblack]

+AdiiL Elmotawakil yea i only used em back in grade school

[@nocturnal0072]

2001

[@powergannon]

I followed a bit of this ports development a year or two ago. It was very interesting to hear about some of the techniques used to cut down on file size such as optimizing sprite tiles, particularly the cars

[@LGR]

Absolutely, the development of this is fascinating!

[@Becka_Harper]

I know I'm late to the party but I just had to say that over the weekend I installed RCR486 on my old Compaq 486 laptop and...JOY!

[@JoLiKMC]

Oh believe you me! This is right up my alley, my friend. Once an _MS-DOS_ gamer... *always* an _MS-DOS_ gamer! ♥

[@TheGamingTree]

Im so happy he did this I could not find any videos on the DOS version of the game

[@LGR]

There's also a video by Ancient DOS Games! +Pixelmusement kzbin.info/www/bejne/lV7Ic2x9aquGbs0

[@maikerunezumi]

I feel like indie devs should do this more often. It would be amazing to have independently made games created for older hardware.

[@DiceHard]

This is incredible! Also, I will definitely have to take a look at Indie Box.

[@MadameSomnambule]

I remember playing DOS games on CD-ROM back in the day. The only floppy disk games I know of was a Muppets game and a Barbie game, and I only played the Barbie one as a kid before I ended up wiping it somehow. Idk what happened to the other game. I do remember both of them came with a 3.25 inch floppy version.

[@LOZKULLKID]

Totally getting this, Thanks Clint

[@Littlefighter1911]

2:30 Thank you! I think it's great to remind people, that you do not actually need insane specs to run a great game.

[@Stere0cast]

Insta-bought this game when it was announced. Thanks for this great review LGR, as I wouldn't dare break the seal of my copy.

[@DergEnterprises]

I read the story after watching your video. It was quite an odyssey he went through.

[@lando8913]

It's amazing that people are still making things like this.

[@mlwy45]

Oh wow! Dude this is cool as hell, no only as a gamer but an older gamer who happen to own more DOS games then console games.

[@HeavyMetalGamerShow]

This is pretty damn cool. I was wondering what this copy actually was, great review LGR

[@interstellartravel]

Oh man! That Gravis gamepad takes me back to my Commander Keen days!

[@TheGameBench]

How did I not know about this?!?! I've been mildly interested in this game, but now I must have it. I love this idea and, like you, wish more game publishers would do this. Thanks for posting this. My wallet, however, does not thank you. : )

[@LGR]

Happy to spread the word! #DOSGamingIn2015

[@darkfalzx]

Needs Amiga 500 port!: ) Imagine the disk-swapping? The somber tracker music? The single-fire-button joystick setup?

[@HourOfOblivion]

Risk of Rain came in a box??? I need this in my life!

[@spiderjerusalem100]

Now can someone make a version of Crysis for DOS?

[@Poodleinacan]

Well, if you only need to install the game and you don't need to have the CD to play the game, it might be possible (if you you can splice files between multiple disks).

[@LGR]

+Poodleinacan That's... not how this works. That's not how any of this works :P

[@smellydelicious7872]

+Lazy Game Reviews I wonder if it was a joke? Dear Poe I hope it was.

[@sagosagoa8672]

Serpico's Beard 1 million floppies.

[@patchouli3422]

Oh my god... I honestly wish I still had my P1 machine. There is no better reason to have DOS than for this and Jazz Jackrabbit.

[@16bitreview]

Damn it LGR you made me buy it, still can`t believe its still available!

[@vladdenysenko7822]

Just finished this game. Loved it so freaking much.

[@awman241]

I have bean playing this on my retro dos rig a lot after seeing this video. Vary fun.

[@videogameobsession]

Nice choice with the beige floppy. I actually had that in the cart and was ready to purchase it, but I had forgotten about it and the price went up to $40. That's too much IMO. I had already bought the physical disc and cart for the PS4 & PS Vita, respectively, along with digital downloads for the PS3 & 3DS, so another $40 for the floppy didn't seem like a good idea. .. .. .. It's a shame about the lack of sound card support.

[@TheNewFlesh]

Aw, hell YES, Gravis!

[@ncshuriken]

+TheNewFlesh The new flesh eh? You've got good taste in movies, unless I completely misunderstood your name!

[@TheNewFlesh]

+ncshuriken Videodrome is tight, but I heard that phrase in a Strapping Young Lad song first

[@chevicus]

this guy also actually made it also for nes as an experiment! now that was freaking awesome!

[@aftervoid2613]

Your channel makes me want to go and retrieve my old PCs out of the attic. If I choke because of my allergy to dust, you will be the one to blame!

[@GraveUypo]

nostalgia hits. man, i wish i could go back to 1994.

[@OhThatsMal]

I love this type of stuff, when developers go back in time! more need to do this !!

[@videogameobsession]

Oh and speaking of Doom. I have a copy of it on my Kodak DC-260 digital camera from 1998. It runs great. MAME also runs great with a few games. :)

[@apoletestry3766]

This game is so underated its mind blowing i hardly hear about.

[@dev639]

I am very glad you reviewed this game! It kicks a giant's ass!

[@Revolution-yn8cm]

Your comment on 'becuase you can' really stuck with me when this first came out sp much so I went ahead and tried to watch the movie zootopia on as many device as I can my most favourite or impressive to me at least is getting it running on a Nintendo Ds only tied with a Nokia N-gage.

[@chaptap8376]

Godspeed, and good luck

[@xylofiso5915]

I'm a simple guy, I see a new game on a floppy disk, I click like.

[@ThePetiteGamer]

I never played this on DOS. I recall it being out for the NES though. I also see it out on the eshop, very tempting to pick it up.

[@patg108]

and to think with more up to date outdated soundcard support, additional floppies or CD support it could literally match if not exceed the modern version on far lesser hardware! I'd love to see that happen just to show people that outdated hardware isn't nessecarily useless hardware and that it can do far more than what people might think it can!

[@Thekinggamelon]

Cool, a MS-DOS game on today's world! There should be more to revive the old days, even games that no creator never had in mind to do it!

[@mattafaak]

All kids love Gravis GamePad

[@ckabbage]

That's really cool. I've never seen a modern game do that.

[@NayrbRellimer]

Have you considered reviewing "Shakedown: Hawaii" from Vblank? It is a 16 bit spiritual successor to retro city rampage made by the same developer, but it takes it's comic material from modern business practices and video game mechanics. It was even released on a limited edition physical copy.

[@SpaceTestMonkey]

Oh god, Nam, I remember that POS, worthy of a review though methinks.

[@scottaw1981]

You, sir, are not alone.

[@otherreality]

this is awesome, and beyond

[@JoeyJ0J0]

I have this for Wii and 3ds. great game and nice to see them do this

[@Poodleinacan]

That's pretty awesome.I have the game on PS3/PS vita. i think we may have a computer, stored somewhere in the basement, that has a disk reader.Though I still have some floppy, that I could copy the game onto, but they aren't high-density... [insert Don't Copy That Floppy song]

[@SwingLifeAway92]

I just found this and god this is freaking cool I love seeing DOS get some love instead of retro consoles. Plus it's on a freaking floppy!

[@RetroHellspawn]

This is so fucking cool, I'd almost argue it's cooler than Dreamcast homebrews, but that's where my bias lies for days I longed for a Dreamcast. This is still fucking awesome! :D

[@awwrelic]

(goes and checks Steam install) Heh, sure enough it's there! I have an old Pentium 100 with both 3 1/2" and 5 1/4" floppies on it...will have to give it a try. Thanks for the video!

[@douglasthequilava]

Now to wait for Shovel Knight to get a DOS port. actually that sounds like it'd be possible, and cool!

[@MeDuderify]

Fascinating look...thanks for the video. Would never play this...hated DOS games when DOS was out...definitely not looking to return. That said, your videos are awesome!! Have fun.

[@therealdjk30]

Love your videos man!👍 Keep it up! 80s kid 4ever!!

[@RoryFrenn]

Omg! Resident evil boxes looks so cool i wish i could see them in my hands

[@Tunnelfish2]

I still have a USB floppy drive. something I won't let go of as my last shred of beige box nostalgia. I need to acquire or build another Dos computer and go find some old games. Those were magic times, which I don't feel that much of any more.

[@Haldrie]

I have the GOG version of this game and noticed a while back when downloading an update that it included a DOS version but have yet to try it myself.

[@hkoizumi3134]

Man... If this game was out when we had 486 in 1991, this game would have rival doom.

[@averagegilo]

Can you believe that somebody got doom to run on a spectrum - Crazy, but with the limitations of z80 hardware, they did a pretty good job

[@EgenMusik]

They should release this for NES too, and the 16-bit follow-up "Shakedown Hawaii" should be released on both SNES and Genesis! =)

[@Mazamune]

nice review, made me remember of old dos days.

[@mrbigmouth502]

How much space does it actually use on the floppy? I think it would be neat if they managed to squeeze in adlib or OPL3 sound support. Anyway, I think it's pretty awesome that they managed to pull this off, with more stuff going on and a higher framerate than most DOS games to boot.

[@johnsquarez6806]

it's amazing how many systems this game was ported to except for wii u. :'c

[@brainstar64]

I have the 3DS port of this, but would love to play this on the old DOS I use.

[@enzogamerukbr]

“Applaud” Well, you truly used a rare word.

[@ZockAmigo]

I love the fact that this video exist! :D

[@dronespace]

This is beyond awesome

[@hawkez2003]

I bought this game on PC, PS3 and PD Vita, it is THAT good.

[@DjBasA38]

i have a -66% coupon for Retro City Rampage DX, going to buy it soon for DOS port and modern version (Windows)

[@VFomalhaut]

holy shit! the retro scene is going insane! great!

[@CraftyAndyCreates]

that is art of love

[@kqakqa]

Holy shrek, this amazing... Makes me wish I could code even more, because there's a game idea I have and one of the things I'd like to do with it is port it to systems I'd think couldn't even run it (but do it anyway).

[@TheBrazilRules]

For the 486. Man, this game is heavy.

[@billlumburgh8272]

Awesome! Now when are we going to see that long awaited review of the SB AWE 32?

[@Gelgoog]

IIRC for a programming exercise the RCR dev ported the game to NES ad actually detailed how to get it to fit on the cart

[@Dojan5]

This is incredibly cool.

[@Jay84476]

i was thinking of building a modern atx pc in an old 486 case with a crt and running dosbox off it for all those games