Liber Indigo - Gnosis of the Colorblind

Part Six of a video series echoing the themes of 'Liber Indigo: The Affordances of Magic'
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Liber Indigo (Part One): Metaphysical Prisoners of the Desktop
• Liber Indigo - Metaphy...
Liber Indigo (Part Two) - The Background Hum of Default Reality
• Liber Indigo - The Bac...
Liber Indigo (Part Three) - Echoes of the Source
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Liber Indigo (Part Four) - Binary Elementals
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Liber Indigo (Part Five) - The Principle of Correspondence
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All The Colours, Including Grue: How Languages See Colours Differently
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Optiks by Sir Isaac Newton (full text)
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"Unprofitable Instruments" Monochord demonstration
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Mouse Cursor History (and why I made my own)
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[@slimerecorder]

At some point every episode I go “ohh right this was about computer desktop interfaces I forgot”

[@liber-indigo]

@@slimerecorder Me too

[@BrandonWalowitz]

@@liber-indigoit’s not really about desktop interfaces.

[@xdmich6018]

I'm still waiting for alternative to current work centered graphic and text based operating system

[@biomystical]

We are in the algorithm

[@Cineenvenordquist]

​@@xdmich6018like, the SteamOS that is mostly messing with you instead of alphabetical or other order in there? Nintendo but it's just robo-Bowsette wrestling?

[@SQUiB.]

as a hermetic alchemist, this has got to be the best graphic design tutorial out there.

[@sbef]

If at the end of this series you create a semi-secret community that explores the interactions of our computing paradigms with lost long esoteric concepts, sign me the f up Mr. Kirkwood

[@rldp]

Please, even after the last video in the series, continue blessing us with more content!

[@Zking2010]

Best channel on KZbin right now. Loved your work on TikTok, but longer form content suits you so well. Hoping your videos here are more regular.

[@liber-indigo]

@@Zking2010 Thanks so much 🙏

[@AuntBibby]

the best interface is that plastic toy clock with pictures of animals instead of numbers and when u point its central arm at the cow, a lil electric speaker says "The COW says.... _moo.... moo..."_ we need to take that interface & base a computer system on it

[@liber-indigo]

@@AuntBibby One lever, twelve animals, endless pleasure

[@polysormi3825]

when i was a kid i thought grass was red. even later i thought moss was red. now that i know it's green, i see green. You are right, it is an advantage to know from an early age that what your senses tell you is not real. some people never get that epiphany.

[@LezleyDavidson]

Kudos on the editing skills too. The patience and fortitude to stitch all the clips together. I tried it and gave up in exhaustion after creating 2 minutes. 👏👏👏

[@ytPEDROjoao]

I just think this guy made a magic spell for this video series to show up randomly for us

[@thezipcreator]

not exactly related to this video, but I think a problem with a lot of modern development is that we separate functionality into a number of discrete apps, without much interaction between them. The average user isn't really able to compose the functionality of different apps together in an intuitive way. Even for developers, even when an ability to interface with an app programmatically is provided, we separate the actual app from the "API". I think it would be very beneficial if we made it so that all functionality of an app is easily exposed, and the average user can "plug" together different features from different apps. There's a small movement for Malleable Software, and on their forum there's a few ideas on how this could be done. I mention it here because I think it would be very interesting to check out for the type of person who would watch these videos.

[@RhetoricaRhamnusia]

Time for the footnotes... 2:58 - The description given here defines a system called "just" intonation. Most modern music is composed with equal temperament, where the frequencies are slightly bodged (using an irrational series, no less) to be evenly spaced. The principles used to derive just intonation cannot be extended to a twelve-note octave without introducing undesirable resonances that sound quite ugly. Thus we bear witness once more to the imperfections of the Ancients. 9:04 - The origination of 7 as having special significance is probably not astronomical. The Sumerians most likely considered it a curiosity because it was the lowest integer that could not be factorized in their base-60 numbering system (dividing it gave a repeating fraction). Thereafter they began ascribing mystic significance to it wherever it appeared in nature and mathematics. This eventually was transmitted into other Semitic cultures, including the Israelites, who assigned it as the sacred number of their favoured storm god. By the time the Pythagoreans got involved, it had been a sacred number for probably around fifteen or sixteen centuries.

[@liber-indigo]

@@RhetoricaRhamnusia Wow, wonderful comment - thank you!

[@pimpum24]

Got to jump in Just intonation is much more "harmonious" (less tense) when it's limited to a single major key. Is it better? idk But it sounds terrible when trying to move away from a major key or switching keys mid-tune

[@merthsoft]

Do you have citations for the second point? I'm interested in learning more

[@dāzainmusic]

@@pimpum24 Even when considering a single major key, as soon as you are building harmonies outside a very limited set, dissonances start to make themselves heard. For instance, let's say we are in C major for convenience's sake. Should the IInd degree (D) harmonize with the Vth (G)? Then it has to be +4c sharp of equal temperament to form a perfect fifth or fourth. Should it harmonize with the VIth (A)? Then it would have to be -17c flat instead. That's a difference of 22 cents, roughly an eigth-tone (also known as the syntonic comma), quite audible! OK, but what if we harmonize the A with the D instead, raising it by +6c from equal temperament? In that case it no longer harmonizes with the E, which has to be -14c flat to harmonize with the C... No matter which way you turn, the syntonic comma inevitably rears its ugly head (unless you use something crazy like 53EDO, which unfortunately has other problems). Which is one reason the preference for equal temperament developed in the first place: Better to compromise on most intervals a little than have a few very pure sounding chords, but have a lot of other keys become a dissonant mess. That said, just intonation works much better in settings like Indian Classical Music and other drone based music, although even there, certain pitches are often "sweetened" according to the raga, to evoke a certain mood. Another approach is to adjust pitches on the fly, as is possible with fretless stringed instruments and the like, but much harder for keyboard-type instruments, which had become of singular importance by the time 12EDO was widely adopted. One last approach would be that of, for instance, Terry Riley, who instead leaned into the characteristic dissonances generated by tuning a keyboard instruments in just intonation, such as on his album "The Harp of New Albion" for solo piano. Anyway, sorry for essay-posting. I guess intonation is my special interest, or something to that effect...

[@RhetoricaRhamnusia]

@@merthsoft I should note also that only five planets were known in antiquity, not counting the Earth, as can be seen on the design of the Antikythera mechanism. Uranus was not classified as a planet until the 18th century, and Neptune was discovered in the 19th century. During Newton's time the solar system would have stopped at Saturn... which ruins much of this video.

[@ghostroll]

This series has been brilliant so far, I'm sure the next video will be as well. Thank you for putting the time and effort into this, this has been really inspiring and educational. I know you kind of drifted away from materialism in the second episode, but I think that dialectic materialism connects really well as another layer in the stack of references, mythologies, inventions and cosmologies you're describing and connecting. Ideas cannot exist without the material that carries them, just the same as you can't discuss any material without signifying it, making it into an idea. This is the same circular motion you're describing, our thoughts and our tools, Yin and Yang. (BTW I completely agreed with you that Materialism is just another belief. aAd as any idea it can only prove itself using it's own assumptions. And like all deep human ideas, it offers Divinity). This is just to add my nickel, again thank you for all of your work.

[@andrewgillies8]

Well my night just got a lot better. Straight to the top. Thanks for the awesome journey so far!

[@lydiaelsewhere1504]

Omg i just literally smoked the last of my green and new Liber Indego just dropped??? Yeeeessss!!! 😸💗❤️

[@claypunk7718]

I waited with watching the video until I could smoke mine :)

[@fersuvious]

Just finished your book. You’re changing the way I think about everything. Thank you for your wonderful work! Huzzah!

[@Matthew-pc3zx]

At the start of this series I thought that the title was just an impossible to understand word jumble, but as the series has progressed (Edit:This episode explains Indigo) it's become more and more clear. Now, (unless I missed something) we just have "Liber" left to explain. Great series.

[@mo-s-]

doesn't liber just mean free

[@mo-s-]

liberty and all

[@fus132]

@@mo-s- It's either that, or literally "a book".

[@jaysilence3314]

Well I for one welcome our new liber indigo overlords!

[@jacob.jaeggli]

Hermeticism is a recurring theme, the name could be a reference to "Liber Hermetis" (the book of Hermes) which seems likely. But also consider more contemporary texts like "Liber Null".

[@Ninjabread01]

And the series will be in seven parts once complete, very nice.

[@FarranLee]

Really loving these videos dude. Very happy to hear your ideas, perspective, perception. The way you combine all the things, recognising how they're all already integrated because that's the nature of reality. I'm in the process of designing some things and your points are both inspiring me and are also things that I'm doing. Looking forward to your next video!

[@erikpeterson778]

One of the few channels whos videos I always fullscreen

[@betonmolenislol]

thank you for putting such great care and effort into this series, and communicating the ideas you mean to convey so clearly and pleasantly. it inspires me in general, and it inspires me to make better things specifically. i expect your contributions to be looked back upon as monumental in a decade or two, or less. i look forward to the next installment and recognize now there are developments ahead of us we have to put and continue putting effort into.

[@PeonyNopes]

I am slowly seeing where this is going regarding UX design and I love it tbh.

[@acamon]

Great series, can't wait for the final episode! And I hope your channel keeps going afterwards!

[@michaelybecker]

We named our daughter Iris and only found out all this good stuff months after - extremely beautiful origin and extremely on brand for her:). Etymologically speaking it's also where we get iridescence from!

[@ash_bordeaux]

you are killin it man :)

[@joebulfer]

Not sure if the hierarchical file structure is enforced by filesystems or the Linux kernel itself. Also most websites follow this structure of clicking on folders/dropdowns with other files/web pages or other nested dropdowns. This is because these web pages are represented as MD or HTML files on a Linux system which requires a hierarchical file system. The only attempt at creating something different is Obsidians graph view, which you can publish with their website service. A given note has backlinks to other notes snd you can view them all with visual links to eachother. Looks like a bunch of neurons or some distributed system.

[@thezipcreator]

since Linux is monolithic, the filesystems are built-in to the kernel iirc. I think Linux sort of depends on the filesystem being hierarchical tho to function. I'm honestly not sure if file hierarchies are really a bad thing; tag-based filesystems are interesting too, but I don't think one is actually _better_ or _worse_ than another, just different.

[@MrGryfft]

​@@thezipcreatorwhere did you hear that Linux is "monolithic" and that the filesystems are compiled into the kernel? Quick, somebody do the gnu/linux copypasta 😂

[@thezipcreator]

@ I mean Linux is monolithic (this means that all the kernel functionalities are all integrated together into one large blob instead of smaller separated components, like present in a microkernel design). as for the other thing, some filesystems are compiled into the kernel; generally the ext* filesystems are. Other ones can be dynamically loaded via kernel modules, and yet more can be run in user-space via FUSE. regardless, relevant to this discussion, the linux kernel expects a hierarchical filesystem to function. you could reasonably make a tag-based or other type of filesystem ontop of it via a module or FUSE, but some part of the system is going to need to be in a hierarchy.

[@joebulfer]

@MrGryfft Historically we can actually consider Linux as monolithic as opposed to Minux, the micro kernel, which was Linux's direct predecessor. This was a famous debate between Linux and Tanenbaum, the author of Linux' college operating system's textbook and creator of Minux.

[@cxob2134]

When watching this, I always have to think about how Hollywood does computers. In most movies, where there is some sort of Hacking or similar going on, they have these really fancy User interfaces, with color pallets that are more often than not, something different to the boring light mode writhe background things we have as defaults. The imagination to change the desktop is there, yet it has not got any foothold in the cooperate world.

[@Mizerka_]

3am, time to get up and watch. Great vid thanks. Also i swear the simulation is breaking, i just watched ghost in shell movies, wondering about humanity making replicas in likeness of themselves and came across post about perceptions shaping our reality, talking about grass being green only because we perceive it to be so, and into your video, can't make this up.

[@liber-indigo]

@@Mizerka_ Good morning and good night

[@KagrithKriege]

I wonder if a circular monitor would allow for better interfacing than rectangles. Or a dome. You would need to start from scratch, windows made of bubbles, that expand in focus, or shrink and float/sink out of the way... Multi tasking, instead of doom scrolling. No more enslavement to the rectangle. I dare you to dream it into being. Perhaps only you can.

[@Cineenvenordquist]

I think the graph database people beat you to it, but even if they have an IDE mapped to S23 (so, a 23-dimensional sphere) people don't like, stay there?

[@ex0ja]

I hope the final video will give some answers or at least some ideas. I've been thinking about the hierarchy thing when I use Obsidian and Logseq, you realise when everything is indexed and hyperlinked you don't really need a hierarchy anymore, and it actually limits you in certain ways.

[@sbef]

A brain dump of things you might be interested in to explore this question: the original concept of Kettelkasten from the "How to write smart notes" book, and the latest No Boilerplate video (not affiliated) that presented a neat overview of using tags and links to free documents from the shackles of hierarchy.

[@ex0ja]

@sbef I actually follow NoBoilerPlate, huge fan 😁. Not surprised there's crossover with this channel.

[@kuru4764]

Are you familiar with anti-psychiatry at all? In his books Thomas Szasz argued that the term “mental illness” was simply a metaphor that got out of hand. It was a tool to bring a sense of familiarity to the a brand new field of study, but eventually the metaphor was taken too literally and now our tool shapes how we treat those suffering from “mental illnesses”

[@liber-indigo]

@@kuru4764 Talk about drawing lines on maps! Psychological pathologies are due for the kind of re-evaluation that neurodivergence has received in the past decade.

[@JackalopeVegas]

On a side note, if Iris and Hermes used the same Caduceus and have similar qualities does this mean that they are the masculine and feminine of the same being? Also of note is that Iris has a sister that sided with the Titans when she sided with the Olympians and the sister got sent to Tartarus after the Titanomachy. So the darker rainbow in a "double rainbow" is representative to the ancient Greeks to be the sister of Iris who fell. As for the main reason for this post, the call for action to eventually replace old paradigms reminded me of something. Spiritualists believed that Indigo is a frequency that some children born during the 1980s could feel. The community called them "Indigo Children" and that their purpose is to tear down old preconceptions and replace them with something new. Seems to be an interesting coincidence, don't you think?

[@Peebly]

How do want to feel… can we control it that much through interface design?… could we influence the mental health of everyone by shifting how we interface with or tech?… damn

[@shin_do]

Newton was as it appears more an alchemist than a scientist, i love the perspective of "fake sciences" giving birth to knowledge on shady bases. Very nicely put together , not necessarly new data for me but the path you take is a nice one in my view ! Fn0rD to ALL !

[@liber-indigo]

@@shin_do I hereby ordain everyone in this comment section a Discordian Pope

[@nkenn-sp4pp]

very thought provoking content my guy

[@draxthedarkreaper]

What's super interesting about relating music with colour, there are some people out there that can't help but do this. Synesthesia is a very interesting "disorder".

[@unfortunatelygnarly]

low mic quality goes unreasonably hard

[@claypunk7718]

interesting, it sounds good to me. a bit raspy and compressed maybe, but not distracting

[@liber-indigo]

@@unfortunatelygnarly I need an audio engineer, because I can't hear it. I use a Sure mic and use minimal compression. Could it just be my voice?

[@jamesdoe2139]

Your mic sounds fine. There's a bit of reverb on your voice. I'll assume that's not a reverb plugin, but your room reflection. If it is your room reflection, some cloth or foam placed around the walls nearest the mic will help to tame the reverbation. If you're using an SM58 or other dynamic Shure, then you are fine. This is just how it will sound. If you are using a Shure condenser, then I would check to make sure you are speaking into the front of the mic and not the back.

[@ucantSQ]

I like that koan. Never heard it before.

[@Infiniband11]

Fresh liber indego drop between pipeline final & test match cricket my sunday is complete

[@thesenamesaretaken]

I'd suggest the mouse cursor points like that because most people are right handed, so if they were to point at screen they would have used their right hand with their hand and finger angled in the same way. But maybe that's a post hoc rationalisation for how I've been shaped by a tool. What I can say for sure is that one of my computers has a desktop environment with a cursor that sometimes points a different way and as trivial as that is it took me a while to stop finding it uncomfortable.

[@MarkedThing]

You make very interesting points. I really wonder what Windows Colors was all about in your dream lol

[@ArchSchizo]

New upload the instant I get done watching the previous parts, which was immediately after clicking the first from my weird algorithm. Stop watching me watch you, weirdo

[@liber-indigo]

@@ArchSchizo 👁️

[@wanderirivers8151]

Okay i have an idea for the next phase of ui how do i email u

[@liber-indigo]

@@wanderirivers8151 Use the contact form on my site (link in the description)

[@babybabybabybaby12]

When considering Newton's work, Goethe's Theory of Colours should also not go unmentioned, which represents an interesting counter-position.

[@MetricZero]

Ah, the age old question of "Where do we belong in the universe?"

[@wrathfeeling]

Im not so sure what the ideas from color, rainbow, and sound, and the theorem have to do with the interface. So I take it that I am still looking at the escape room puzzle clues. And last video has maybe that one hidden room to use the last key on to see the missing piece. And to solve the puzzle to escape.

[@thyhandrevolve]

krkwd out here doing the Lord's work. 10/10 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 93

[@ChristianBurnett]

I might be the only Boards of Canada fan saying "so THAT's what it means!"

[@ash_bordeaux]

pivot back to human experience and interface - nice :) tbh i would enjoy deeper metaphysics from your perspective. has sensory deviance led to a unique understanding of the Principal colloquially known as Light? What are your thoughts on the so called "photon", for example? ;)

[@cxgamer9680]

Do you miss seeing green? Is there a longing for it?

[@OnionSauceGo]

Do you recognize the advancement of previous iterations of human civilations that were in actually advanced?

[@thischurchbasement]

wow the pythagorians are responsible for all music, crazy 👀

[@dasmowilkins]

waowww!!!

[@jacob.jaeggli]

I just want to point out the strangeness that allows colors to be represented as a continuous wheel. There is nothing inherent to the frequencies of light which allows this - it is due to the overlapping color sensitivities of the red receptors at the blue / violet end of the spectrum. If not for this small blip on the sensitivity curve, red and violet would be non-adjacent, various color harmonies would be broken, all kinds of other strange occurrences. However, that these colors should be seen as adjacent seems more fundamental to vision than just color as perceived by humans.

[@jacob.jaeggli]

Just imagine we have to redesign computer systems to support tetrachromacy. All of these terrible fixed channel file formats would have to be thrown out.

[@malakiblunt]

Ian McGilchrist would Love this .

[@Shlooomth]

I showed my girlfriend this and she was like wow

[@Flackon]

Someone's been using Obsidian

[@aname4931]

Roy G Biv? Oh, you mean Richard of York Gave Battle In Vain?

[@nekrovulpes]

youtubers always balls deep in Jung when they clearly need a deep Lacan dicking. Maybe then they'd stop being so neurotic about the paperless office (hint: it's really an officeless paper.) I'm looking forward to see how you conclude this, thought provoking stuff 👌

[@BrandonWalowitz]

It’s more like color confused

[@TravisHansenMN]

It’s very clear that going from program to program ain’t it. It’s also clear that most programs are more like a tunnel view than a city/world view. And, as much as I love your videos, I don’t expect you to produce the “answer.” I’ll still be watching though.

[@artifactingreality]

this is explained better in song by rapper canibus

[@malakiblunt]

I could not help thinking about politics -Which is sad as im a sculptor - and i should be thinking about how my tools efect my creativity - my past self did a least have he sense to subscribe

[@Sazoji]

nothing worth loving isn't askew

[@xdmich6018]

Wovles aren't actually hierarchical, it's a myth, and primates just as people are able to adapt to different social systems, both hierarchical and horizontal.

[@fus132]

Family unit is still a hierarchy.

[@xdmich6018]

@fus132 Depends on type of family

[@blind1337nedm]

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[@JIMDOTK]

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[@primepiplup]

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[@justinrose8661]

This is a fine series, but you don't have any business releasing a book, man. This honestly just feels like a decent distillation of a fairly recent influx of esotieric video essays on Jung, Nietzsche, gnosticism, medieval alchemy etc. You're not wrong, this is just too surface level and comes off as borrowed. It feels like you don't have your own thoughts here. No offense, you're just not well-studied enough. For instance you mentioned irrational numbers and said "whatever those are"..Well man, Pi is an irrational number. You have a great deal of reading to do if you really want to understand. Great production value, decent simplistic explanation of the concepts, but...I mean, come on man, the balls on you publishing a book.

[@PeterPerry18]

With all due respect, I believe the market will determine whether he produced something of value. Although I do agree with much of your constructive critique in regards to the quality of his synthesis of ideas, ultimately I think its up to the aggregate to determine if they would like the option to purchase his book. Just because you don't doesn't mean other don't as well.

[@sbef]

Imagine thinking you are the ultimate arbiter deciding whether one ought to write a book or not. All I hear is "I know more than you but I am unable to form a coherent critique other that drive-by dismissal"

[@justinrose8661]

@sbef i do know more than him, that's for certain, and that was hard won from decades of study before this stuff became popular with youtube video essayists and diluted down. This young man should have much higher criteria for himself and come up with his own ideas and theories. This is all style no substance, and as arrogant or dismissive as it sounds, scholarly and spiritual rigor are important and this isn't rigorous or deep enough for the material it's presenting. Not even close

[@Gislileet]

These videos are really interesting. But I still don't get what you think is lacking in modern operating systems like Windows and macOS. They can pretty much do it all. Weather it's work, art or personal use. I cannot recall a single instance where I felt the OS was limiting me somehow. I'm very interested to see what you lay out in the final video