Libertarian Psychology

[@ekapunk3415]

I’ve been libertarian my whole life, without knowing what libertarianism was… I’ve maintained my beliefs even though all my school teachers and friends always made huge peer pressure to make me more “liberal”. Here in my country we have a very collectivist culture, and therefore I have NEVER met another libertarian in real life Standing alone all these years has changed nothing: My liberty is more valuable than my own life It is so deep rooted in me, that I can tell you libertarians are born

[@mral4381]

Individual freedom is the core of any prosperous society. Discarding individual liberties inevitably leads to totalitarianism in one form or another.

[@sycoe3344]

wow thats really good lol I'm libertarian and mostly of what he said was completly right or close to right lol

[@TheOstahaps]

I always felt I had a different and less authoritarian mindset than others. Let people do as they please.

[@PeteThecurious100]

Yes, you have reinforced I am definitely a libertarian but oh boy I get sick of being a square peg in a round hole - it's hard being right all the time haha ;)

[@CurtHowland]

"Being libertarian is like being the only sober person at the party and no one will let you drive."

[@bsmith6784]

@@CurtHowland #@(% YES! I need shirts of that quote! I need bumper stickers, I need masks, I need magnets, I need this line plastered *_everywhere!_* ... What _is_ that line from, btw?

[@Verboten_Joey]

I'd be curious if there are any studies regarding how experiences can shift a personality. I used to be high in compassion and disgust, but my experiences greatly reduced those emotions. Consequently nudging me towards libertarianism.

[@GBanville]

They have been done. It's genetic. Everything is.

[@Verboten_Joey]

@@GBanville That doesn't address how much of a role environment plays in shifting one's natural disposition. Genetics determine your predisposition, but experiences can moderate, minimize, or magnify personality traits. Perhaps the likeliest response to a significant experience ex. emotional trauma, is predetermined by ones genetics. Nevertheless, one's personality can be altered. I know it's only a personal anecdote but I'm aware of such a change in myself, it wasn't a conscious effort to suppress a trait, but pain that cauterized it. My worldview shifted significantly following said experience.

[@TheUppityGoyim]

Where can we see the rest of the Cato speech?

[@bsmith6784]

I've been trying to find the vid where Haidt says (at least I think it's Haidt) something like *_"Conservatives (and libertarians) think that liberals are_** wrong. **_Liberals think that conservatives are_** evil."* I think it was one where he talks about how conservatives & libertarians can accurately state the other side's positions, but liberals can't. - Can anyone point me to that video?

[@stpierreorama]

Did you ever find it?

[@bsmith6784]

@@stpierreorama no luck

[@joshuas1834]

I think he said something like that when Tom wood interviewed him on the Tom woods show.

[@bsmith6784]

@@joshuas1834 A good guess, but I just gave both episodes a sped-up listen, and I didn't hear it.

[@joshuas1834]

@@bsmith6784 sorry to waste your time. I remember him saying something like that too and, as far as I can remember, Tom woods was about the only place I've listened to him aside from actually reading righteous mind.

[@letsgoBrandon204]

It would seem I'm a mashup between Libertarian and Conservative - On the one hand I'm very much in favour of liberty. Let people do what they want, then they can deal with the consequences of their good or bad decisions. They can burn the flag if they really want to 😐😒. On the other hand, I have alot of sympathy with the Conservative attitude that many modern government policies teach people that they have no personal responsibility. The sate will take care of you... with someone else's money.

[@transon6655]

same :v i live almost like a conservative but i think libertarian ideas for the society is the best.

[@ConsultantMasamune]

I'm here because Steven Crowder mentioned this on his show. My story is extremely interesting: With (4) corporate jobs; I was 'quiet fired' from two of these jobs. I've always managed to carry more than my load; most recently managing (15) clients and growing accounts. Even when I try to play nice, I always end up with a boss that ultimately perceives me as a threat and strategically attempts to throw me under a bus to management until I either quit or am fired. In May 2021, I chose entrepreneurship (spreadsheet master in analytics), utilizing my throughput to my advantage, taking on multiple contracts and making 2-3x more. I've always challenged status quo, am consistently Libertarian, and enjoy combat sports (Shotokan Karate and Wing Chun Kung Fu). This video describes me to a tee unfortunately. I stood alone with two other friends in 2020, lost 80% of my 'friends', and received maybe ONE apology. Additionally, he's right about taking my Liberty. As soon as you try, I'm ready to lash out and take something that means a lot to you just so you understand how it feels. If you attempt to carbon tax my BBQ, I will immediately call for abortion to be illegal and gay marriage to be outlawed, not because I care as much as I know that it would hurt my opposition. This is why we ally with Conservatives at the moment..

[@PeteThecurious100]

You did well. Spot on. I am a libertarian ;) I believe we are "born" My brother or sister are not Lib.

[@supersilverhazeroker]

I am a libertarian and my biggest concern is actually the big whole.. since freedom is the only real solution. the rest basically fits.. more introvert etc.

[@ordinaryhuman2511]

Aye, his predictions about my personality are eerie. Humans are such predictable creatures. When they can accurately interpret our genes, they’ll probably predict our politics to the 75%+ percentile.

[@george_cantstandya]

13:45 keyword “claim”.

[@AlJay0032]

I am wondering if Haidt made a mistake. What would happen if he would correct for IQ? How do conservatives or liberals of the same IQ distribution reply? Would they also be higher on systematizing and lower on empathizing?

[@Cleisthenes2]

This is great. I think that a lot of these people would identify as 'classical liberals' or simply 'liberals' in the UK. (And their politics and great thinkers are somewhat different because of the different course political thought has taken there.) I also think that the trend he identifies at the end - of 'libertarians' siding with conservatives against 'liberals' (American for 'socialists' imho) has only gotten stronger in the past eight years.( Indeed, I feel part of a small but significant group of people who have these personality traits but who've drifted away from left-wing parties in the past few years, somewhat to our surprise.) Now, though, it's not because of the welfare state but because of the growing perception that the left is authoritarian in the sphere of culture and thought.

[@POLARISFPV]

The thing about authoritarianism is, that is a trait that can develop in either side of the political spectrum. The current shift towards authoritarianism on the left I believe comes from the left wing being complacent on their hold of power, because the majority of people identify as liberals. Left wing parties seem to think that they should hold the balance of power indefinitely. I'm not just talking about political power, either everything from government to corporate culture seems to be liberal these days, there is no balance in our society.

[@sabrinat6838]

“I don’t like THESE people.” Most conservative statement I’ve heard in my life.

[@lweeks4880]

Hi, I have a question on how Libertarians fit into this scheme. I would love feedback on this if anyone has some for me. In Prof. Haidt’s work in “The Righteous Mind”, he talks about the liberty/oppression scale. Forgive me if I’m wrong, but shouldn’t Libertarians be rising up in arms against Donald Trump? The liberty/oppression scale is specifically designed for human beings as a moral “receptor” to recognize bullying/authoritarian behavior and to keep it in check. I would think, of all the political groups, that Libertarians would be endowed with this in the highest amounts. But I’m not seeing that. Why? I would think Libertarians would be throwing fits by now against the authoritarian Trump. All they seem to be doing is a curmudgeonly agreement, “yeah, immigrants, stay the hell off my lawn.” Am I missing something?

[@d4n4nable]

Personally, I don't think Trump is particularily authoritarian. Don't get me wrong, he is, in a way, just not specially so. Here's the thing about libertarians: We're all used to "oppression," in our conception, from both sides. The eight-year long cry fest of either partisan hack only makes us yawn. Yeah buddy. We've been there under Obama. And under Bush. And under Clinton. And under Bush... On top of that, Trump is as much of a bully as he is the kid who finally stood up to the bully (which is the "mainstream media" and political elite). If you are a libertarian and constantly have to feel hatred towards the scummy tactics used by those in power, the NYT, CNN, John McCain and Nancy Pelosi... you can't help but cheer on the guy who makes them mad as hell. Even if you recognize he's no saint either. And then, I care more about policy than rhetoric. What has he actually done? His foreign policy seems to be a continuation of the awful fp the US always has. He continues Obama's bombardment of Yemen, and some other operations. But in a way he seems to be against escalating wars the way his predecessors were. At least for now. He's good on taxation and regulation. His culling of regulations has been fantastic so far. Only problem is he isn't radical enough. He didn't make health care worse, like Obama did. He didn't create the Patriot Act, or the NDAA, but he seems to be very much in line with the spying and civil liberties abuse of his former office holders. On immigration he seems to toughen up a bit (though it's certainly no paradigm shift from Obama). I don't really care much about that. Ideally, I'm for open borders. But only in a country with no welfare state or labor regulations. You can't have both. So, I guess I just don't buy your premise that Trump is more authoritarian than Obama. Obama had the gull to force every American to buy health insurance, lest they be fined by the federal government (for which there is zero constitutional authority). Obama signed the NDAA. Obama had a "government kill list," and performed extra-judicial killings of American citizens (though, while he killed Anwar al Awlaki's son, Trump managed to kill his little daughter... so that's a wash). Obama spent tons of borrowed money, enslaving the future generations (stimulus, etc.). He passed the Dodd-Frank act, which restricts bank loans and causes tons of harm. He celebrated killing bin Laden without a trial, like that doesn't make him an insane murderer. He bought up the failing auto industry with public money. He helped toppling Gaddafi, got involved in Egypt, funded the uprising in Syria. He increased fuel efficiency requirements. Had the "dear colleagues" letter written, which abused Title 9 to create a horrifiic police of moral vice and virtue on college campuses. I could go on and on with how authoritarian he was. I'm not losing any more sleep over Trump.

[@cloudwolf3972]

1 - Libertarians care a lot about economy. Both sides(liberal and conservative) are statist scums from our view point. 2 - The recent events of immigration isn't a natural event(specially thr european case) but a government anomaly caused by the government's offer of welfare. We hate welfare state, just look for Dr Walter Williams's opinion about welfare state, it's modern slavery. 3 - If you're a libertarian minarchist(classical liberal), you would like to know that government is allowing immigrants come to US but LEGALLY, if they commit crimes, they need record and identification. If you're a libertarian ancap, you wouldn't care about what gov does, but in the "ancapistan" every property would be private property so the decision is from the owner of that property allowing people to come in, beside the problem 2 above, we don't like artificial immigration because "Papa Gov" is offering "free" money. Hillary Clinton is the worst case scenario considering these 3 points. If the liberals keep this path, they will not receive support from libertarians.

[@cloudwolf3972]

And also, authoritarians don't look authoritarian. They disguise behind good intentions. Like you saw in this video, we are more rational, we think more about the real implications of policies and we see the authoritarianism behind it and behind the pretty fake smile of the politicians behind it. Trump is rude, but it doesn't make him more authoritarian than Hillary.

[@shreder89]

i think that, on the contrary, they see Trump as some sort of ally in the fight against a bigger threat to liberty: SJW's and PC culture. In that regard, they may overlook Trump's sensitivity to criticsim and proclivity to ban and censor journalist, because he is fighting the good fight on other fronts. On the issue of immigration, most libertarians are quite conservative, because they like defined borders, not just on the country but on everything. They are rational and sistematic on their thinking, they like and need the notion of boundries to feel at peace mentally, but beyond that, the current state of mass unchecked migration cannot be held by an rational argument, and any analitical and rational person would see that it's unsustainable.

[@flyshacker]

Great question! I can only answer from my own viewpoint. I like Trump, the individual, as a deal maker and a businessman. I don't believe that any political form of government is legitimate. But as long as we have a culture that believes in democracy and voting to take away other people's stuff I would rather see Trump controlling it than any likely alternative. Of course, I would prefer Ron Paul (Rand's father) who would slash everything about government, or Rand Paul, would be similar but not as complete about it. I would really prefer Adam Kokesh whose agenda would be the orderly dismantling of the U.S. government. But, since those guys have no chance, Trump is certainly better than all the authoritarian collectivism advocated by any Democrat and all the elitist authoritarianism advocated by any other Republican. Trump is not good; he's just the LEAST BAD.

[@abhimanyukarnawat7441]

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[@abhimanyukarnawat7441]

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