The Differences Between Liberals and Conservatives | Jonathan Haidt & Jordan B Peterson

The Perilous State of the University: Jonathan Haidt & Jordan B Peterson. We discuss how political affiliation can be predicted and the differences between Liberals and Conservatives. Why we're turning campuses into safe spaces.
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[@BrotherTree1]

Problem is that, when you take each side too far, you destroy what sustains them.

[@carlosangulo3035]

Conservative leaning is healthier

[@choiyatlam2552]

@@carlosangulo3035 Not really. Extreme conservatism can lead to ignorance, repulsiveness and even fundamentalism that disregard the ever changing world.

[@mmw5656]

Balance, cooperation is key and has been silenced. That’s the reason a healthy government has parties with different viewpoints….its to come to compromise for the good of all.

[@MS-de7bb]

Wow two people I greatly admire.

[@SaysSim0n]

I appreciate your work. That being said, I and probably most of your followers wouldn't mind if you took a vacation. You look very tired. Please dont overdo it. I want to have more of your content for years to come.

[@MrThenry1988]

SaysSim0n. He has to think and talk if people will listen. It's not splitting firewood. Lol.

[@thuanotaku9047]

The World are in Great Turmoil, and every possible Leaders are stepping up to the game before everybody snap. To me this situation is predicated

[@taowaycamino4891]

This two are either being "politically correct" or they have no idea what Religion or Reality means or entails. Enjoy the visual parable---->kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3vdY3mOoL-Vbck

[@maxlavoie576]

Ironic now

[@SidharthGat]

Great content!

[@CoopAssembly]

I'm really curious about the nature vs nurture view on roots of the two. What's the story there? Or male and female principles/qualities.

[@allenellsworth5799]

Can we hear more about Libertarians and other beliefs as well?

[@areez22]

They were only talking about the left and the right. It is not like libertarianism doesn't exist on the spectrum (depending on the policy at hand).

[@themeadowlarkminutewithpau8184]

❤️❤️❤️ 🗽

[@Princess_Feona]

I honestly don’t think he takes libertarianism very seriously. It’s a vague amorphous thing. They had that town that was the great experiment of libertarianism and it failed miserably. They were literally taken over by bears. Look up “the Freetown experiment“ Grafton, NH. I personally can’t take libertarians seriously. They are either just ultra conservatives or people who don’t believe in government at all which isn’t helpful when you’re talking about governing.

[@invictuspublishinghouse]

Here's the cool thing...

[@fatrown3]

Interesting :) difficult to listen to due to audio irregularity, but good content

[@sauron7839]

I've been saying that the intersectional Progressivism milieu is in fact a New Religious Movement for years. Everyone I talk to used to think I was nuts, but now they're starting to grok it.

[@ophello]

Hey right-wingers: lets talk. Hey left-wingers: lets talk. How about we all come under one roof and admire each others traits and discuss how we can work together?

[@MrDanielWP]

Sure. We can work together if we have common definitions of terms. Then, hopefully, we can forge a common understanding of the effects of certain ideas. Until we have that, there's no way to move forward. I literally spend half my time talking with Dems on just properly defining words.

[@SimoNemo7]

ophello i would love to. But the lefties always run and or shout at me for having a different opinion. They made me conservative. A few morons took over the democrat party and ruined it for the rest. Kinda like Islam actually.

[@couchpotatoe91]

@@SimoNemo7 Your need for validation is one of the reasons why what OP is mentions is difficult

[@f.d.6667]

This might only work with people who haven't set up their world view as a filter for reality (bias) ... discussions between center-right and center-left could work, discussions between extremists are most likely a waste of time: people become extremists for a reason = the comfort zone of extreme beliefs is supposed to shield people from the complexity of reality.

[@PierzStyx]

The problem is politics. When you have a political system that allows you to use the law to force others to comply with what you believe defines the just society then there is always going to be fighting over who gets to control the levers of power.

[@nickb6260]

Robert Saplolsky is brilliant on the neuro science of disgust, conservative views and origins in evolutionary biology.

[@mustafaziyaakgul3331]

He is brilliant

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

Had me shook at first, but bottom up makes sense 😂

[@f.d.6667]

Murray, D.R., Schaller, M. and Suedfeld, P., 2013. Pathogens and politics: Further evidence that parasite prevalence predicts authoritarianism. PloS One, 8(5), p.e62275.

[@yifanwang7136]

Holy shit it's my favorite two person in the world!

[@saimak7079]

the implications are dangerous

[@AntonioCostaAmaral]

what about libertarians vs. ( conservatives vs. 'liberals'/progressives) ?

[@areez22]

Libertarianism is intermixed to a degree with the left and the right. It is not a separate thing on this one axis.

[@Portekberm]

This is the longest jbp has listened

[@williamcarter7977]

Perhaps we should focus not on differences but on similarties? I think that Conservatives disagree with each other and Liberals disagree with each other. I would think that Mr. Haidt and Mr. Pewterson have disagreements. I think that the "extremeist" on the left and the right have more in common with each other than the moderates on the left and the rights.

[@saimak7079]

behaviourism

[@Metaphist]

Meow.

[@Metaphist]

This is a brilliant and insightful comment. Well done.

[@thatguys773]

A Cat you liked and replied to your own comment which is meow, and your a cat. Wtf is going on?

[@Kurtownia]

yes.

[@blackpidgeyspeaks6151]

Chirp.

[@blackpidgeyspeaks6151]

You've still got it! well done.

[@MrThenry1988]

I'm always wanting to look over the next hill. I'm conservative.

[@FELENATOR]

You might just be selfish.

[@Smallpotato1965]

What is it with Haidt's voice? I can't hear half of the words he speaks

[@fatrown3]

Smallpotato1965 it's like his mic is very sensitive to mild changes in distance from it to the sound origin.

[@jesuiscequejesuis2267]

Yeah, it was really bass and kept dropping out. I wasn't able to make it through.

[@brianwarner308]

dude don't be a Haidter...

[@anthonyallen2677]

It's like he is talking backward.

[@heyidiot]

Off-axis response is very bad with that lapel mic. Would need a shit-ton of dynamic range compression to fix it. Somehow Jordan's is fine.

[@dontsaygabe]

Audio quality is unlistenable

[@KL0098]

12:30 I think most agencies, organisms, governments, etc., are staffed with people who do ask what the opportunities and risks are. In fact, there are many governmental agencies and NGOs whose role is to pose those questions. The problem is that this is contextual rather than a liberal/conservative thing. Environmental agencies that warn about the risks of industry-caused pollution are asking what the risks are: are they listened to by politicians? I doubt it, because they were framed as liberal whinners. What about the social media like Google and Facebook: Haidt himself has come down hard on the American politicians who in the late '90s failed to legislate against Facebook and Google and whatnot, making them exempt from being sued for anything caused by their content; this, as Haidt now bemoans, has led to massive psychological problems among young people. At the time, it was liberals like Neil Postman who were warning against social media. Who paid heed in Washington? What about the invasion of Iraq? Many anti-terroism experts warned that Iraq did not have the fabled WMDs (as was later proven to be so), and invading it would only foster more terrorism (also true). Who listened to them in Washington? Nobody, because their position was framed as a "liberal" and "anti-American" and a sign of appeasement to terrorism. In these three situations - pollution, social media, war on terror - the risks were ignored because, I presume, making money in an unregulated market is a value widely defended by conservatives. So it's rather cynical to say that we need to have both liberals and conservatives. No! What we need is experts, and, more importantly, we need politicians who listen to experts and who form policies based on what the experts say! If the experts are experts and have any intellectual honesty, being liberal or conservative is irrelevant; they'll be led solely by the data and by the urge to inform according to their best capacity. That was the case with environmentalists and with the earliest critics of the internet. The rulers didn't care. That's the dilemma we face today. How to get rulers to make policy based on data from experts? I heard absolutely nothing from Haidt and Peterson liable to help solve this dilemma.

[@jacobbrady7322]

I am a conservative leaning person with a fair amount of libertarian opinions. I see myself as the exact opposite of the current "left". But I am extremely disorganized (my room, my car, etc.). I'm high in both openness and conscientiousness. lol wtf am I, according to these guys? I know there's exceptions to every rule, but any thoughts on this would be appreciated

[@jacobbrady7322]

MrSpongejoe yeah that’s true. I guess it just shows how conservative I am that being the exception to an unimportant rule annoys me lol

[@cryptarisprotocol1872]

MrSpongejoe You two realise they're talking about average behaviours by people high or low on certain traits on the left and right spectrum based on the studies they've done right?

[@Adm_Guirk]

Remember that what you believe is more evident in how you act than how you self-identify.

[@abhishekdev258]

Same..

[@MS-de7bb]

Haidt needs to speak louder

[@Nemesid]

Diehard conservative, extremely orderly when it comes to work...however should you see my room..;-)

[@jamiedorsey4167]

Watching in April 2020 during COVID-19 and the question that comes is why is it that the people who want to open up more are generally fairly conservative and those that want the lockdown to continue are more progressive? I'd love to ask these two. Maybe since the virus is already in our borders, the more salient characteristic is risk tolerance?

[@Huddie400]

I’d like to hear them discuss it too. Maybe - speculating here - conservatives want the safety, borders, & familiarity of the way life normally is, before Covid. And liberals are more flexible in the face of these changes, more willing to shift to masks, to staying home, and shifting to a new way of living if that’s what is necessary to resolve the problem.

[@mattymatt6970]

I always thought it was the fact that conservatives think if you shut down, the economy crashes, which could have worse dangers than covid 19. while liberals think that keeping people healthy is more important, and we could pick up the economical damage after.

[@jamiedorsey4167]

@@mattymatt6970 An analogy I like regarding conservatives vs progressives is that conservatives care more about the hive and progressives care more about the bees. So keeping the economy healthy is protecting the hive, which is important to the bees. On the other side though its the bees that actually build and strengthen the hive so keeping them healthy has an important value.

[@benhull3742]

I'm a conservative and my room is pretty messy haha

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

I lean left and am obsessively tidy. I think Haidt was speaking generally.

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

Interesting because I used to be very exploratory, and now I'm basically disgusted by everyone and everything. At least I know it's true, not operating out of fear 😂 Been there done that 🤮

[@BrandonSchleifer]

I think flag burning should be legal, because I hold free speech as sacred.

[@MrThenry1988]

Brandon Schleifer. Indeed. Burn the symbol that gives you the choice is a powerful thing.

[@MrThenry1988]

Brandon Schleifer. I'm probably still gonna throw a bucket of water at ya if you do. If I can't I'll sleep at night. I'm still gonna not like them or want to hire them.

[@hornypervert3781]

Brandon Schleifer yes not not in suburban areas.

[@jonjonboi3701]

Nah flag burning should be illegal

[@nonenope886]

O 87% C 16% E 19% A 25% N 9% what should i do

[@cameronmyers2154]

you've got a personality type that rewards creativity, so trying to focus as much as possible on creative endeavours that you find interesting and enjoyable to pursue should be for the best.

[@lapidus9552]

Think for yourself.

[@ruxanas5795]

Take the self authoring program. Helps you figure out your goals. Also try reflecting on movie scenes or other pieces of art (music, theatre, tv) that evoked something from you. Game of Thrones was surprisingly useful for me.

[@denniswhite166]

Become a Scientologist.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Be glad you're only N 9% hahaha

[@pantethine66]

Me as a black person without the left i would not have the right i have today

[@1queijocas]

You could say the same thing about the right as well. Without the right, the world would've fallen apart a long time ago. We need a proper balance, that is the key message of this video

[@idumpedinafrenchhorn6811]

@@sgracem2863 nice fake news buddy. Google the southern strategy

[@Thomas-fu8vp]

President Lincoln, the man who abolished slavery thru war with the left, was a REPUBLICAN. The Democrats founded and promoted the KKK.

[@leelahasan3988]

@@Thomas-fu8vp Republicans are not inherently conservative. No where in this conversation did anyone bring in political parties, they were talking about political ideologies. Lincoln may have been a Republican, but he was liberal. The political parties we know today do not necessarily share the values of the same ones we would've known then.

[@nonmagicmike723]

There's a time and a place. Even the left couldn't have given equal rights to blacks back then. Or to women. In poorer times, societies have to be more regimented and hierarchical to preserve order and continuity. If all the illiterate bums had the vote in 1800, the US wouldn't have probably continued as it is today. And the only reason society became more accepting of black integration in the second half of the last century, was when it had enough resources for law enforcement and the justice system to keep order. That's why prosperity tends to liberalize attitudes. Whites always feared blacks to a degree or another. And prior to efficient justice system, mixing the two populations together would've led to just endless vigilante justice and mayhem.

[@jonjonboi3701]

I honestly prefer conservatives over liberals. There are rarely any true liberals these days in the west.

[@savage7882]

People that idiotically place Jordan Peterson as "right wing" should honestly watch this video..

[@motorbikeray]

If you want to see tolerance and open-mindedness discussed, ask a liberal. If you want to see tolerance and open-mindedness practiced, ask a conservative.

[@igormendonca4026]

ESFJ

[@owlnyc666]

Then there is the question, what is the difference between Liberals and Progressives? The difference between Conservatives and Neo-Conservatives. The Right identifies the country-nation as th Fatherland, theLeft as the Motherland.

[@certifiedmoistman43]

cLeAn YoUr RoOm

[@oghuvwublessing705]

THE LORD is good. HIS Son, Jesus Christ is Awesome.

[@OxAO]

"Liberals and Conservatives" in the original sense of the term. It has different meanings today. "left and right" have polar opposite meanings in Europe. Jonathan has a poor understanding of communication skills using terms that are not clear. "Liberal" today can clarified with "classic liberal" Modern liberal is different then the classic liberal. Conservative can be clarified with the scientific term of conservative vs the political term. Edit (removed collectivist-individualist dichotomy)

[@allenellsworth5799]

Ox AO Modern Liberals and Classic Liberals are completely different.

[@invictuspublishinghouse]

The problem I see here is that the collectivist-individualist dichotomy falls flat; it's too reductive and dualistic. Moreover, most Conservatives are actually just Classical Liberals (albeit perhaps more religious or reactionary). What is one to do? None of these words seem to mean anything anymore. *throws hands into the air dramatically*

[@allenellsworth5799]

Mel Gibson's Beard I agree. With the first part at least.

[@OxAO]

Mel Gibson's Beard Yes, I agree that collectivist-individualist is too reductive. I edited the first post. Left and right are meaningless. Modern liberal vs Classic liberal should stand to reason Scientific term of conservative vs the political term of conservationism should stand to reason.

[@invictuspublishinghouse]

*+Allen Ellsworth* What have you got against dramatic, dare I say _Gallic_ expressions of frustration? If I can't emote with my hands, I'm lost, quite frankly.

[@boulderfrogboulderfrog6512]

The kulaks deserved worse

[@billburwood7047]

They sound so reasonable but they are basically implying racist and prejudiced views are okay. Think of those groups people who are on the receiving end of the psychology they talk about. Be critical of this discussion, it is misleading

[@billburwood7047]

@user-kf2ge1wj7y it can easily be evil to preserve a racial group if it results in exclusion and prejudice

[@bonesbarker25]

He is wrong, some people are just better at predicting where a certain path will lead and as such they want to stop society taking that road. It's not rocket science.

[@lawratify]

The Conservatives in every nook and corner of the world are the same. Whether it is the Taliban, The ISIS, the Tories , Republicans, the Boco Haram, the National Front, Likud, BJP or other Right wing political parties or groups they are religious, attend churches, mosques,synagogues and temples regularly. They have little or no knowledge of science, strictly adhere to archaic traditions, customs and rituals. But they are devoid of compassion or empathy the two most important attributes that set humans apart from animals .And they are apathetic to others' suffering or killings and have all the signs of sociopaths .They have total disregard for the environment, the fauna and flora or the planet we inhabit and with the mindset that everything there to be exploited. They are the only (sub) human specie who are unable or unwilling to live with NATURE which sustains life, but constantly fighting against it. In addition they are generally Nationalistic, Homophobic, Xenophobic, Sexist, Misogynistic and Racist.

[@MrDanielWP]

All Liberals are all the same. Whether it's Russian Communists, Cuban Communists, Nazi Socialists, Chinese Communists, North Korean Communists, Venezuelan Socialists, or American Democrats. The are all murderous, anti-religious zealots that will form gulags, concentration camps, death squads, secret police, etc, in order to kill off anyone who doesn't think like them. They also commonly have the mistaken notion that being religious is anti-science. They somehow forget (or are simply ignorant of) the fact Newton, and many of the greatest scientists of all time, were deeply religious people. These Liberals are the most intolerant people on Earth, unless you do weird or perverse things like trying to surgically replace genitals with that of the opposite sex, kill your unborn child, bondage sexual encounters, or taking part in incest. They fail to understand basic economic concepts, such as the benefit to group productivity that comes from incentives to work, such as raises or, even, simply making enough money to buy food. They seem to completely disassociate production incentives from positive economic growth, while assuming that giving some people handouts will have no effect on GDP or the availability of goods. They don't care if people of the USSR had to wait 8 years for cars or 3 days for bread - as long as everyone had to wait equally. Their vision of a perfect society is one in which we are all equally miserable and no one gets to directly enjoy the fruits of their own labor.

[@mikkurzhal7390]

I'm very liberal and you are being very jerkish.

[@jonjonboi3701]

@@MrDanielWP Nazis aren’t left wingers. They are far right terrorist groups

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

@@mikkurzhal7390 😂