Liechtenauer vs Hutton 1892

German 14th century sword style developed by Johannes Liechtenauer is no match for the renaissance technique taught by Hutton in 1892.

[@ossian1977]

I mean, dropping names is fun, a spoof on the Princess Bride I guess, but with all the lore written on those car antennas they are wielding, why pick Lichtenauer.

[@anton.chigrinetc.96]

Never seen an epee before, have you?

[@jedidls]

@@anton.chigrinetc.96 Lichtenauer taught the longsword.

[@anton.chigrinetc.96]

@@jedidls No shit Sherlock. Wasn't talking about him though.

[@brittakriep2938]

In 1860 to 1900s, when Hutton lived and teached, fencing was dominated by military saber ( and Gymnasium/ trainingsaber), and italian/french based epee and foil ( for the straight bladed military swords/spadroons). In those days no fencer , knowing Liechtenauer lineage was allive. In 1862 an old man in german language countries died, who CLAIMED, that as teenager he learned german style from last master. Possible, because in 1810s in q german document it was noted, an old fencing master knows a very old, nearly forgotten style, but rarely has a student.

[@C4lidas]

I hate this... Liechtenauer didn't really have any rapier or "fencing" type instructions. He mainly had longsword, messer, polearms, wrestling, and dagger treatises.

[@grompling]

No kidding. The rapier hadn't even been invented yet when Liechtenauer lived as far as I'm aware

[@Ranstone]

@@grompling It's nearly a 500 year difference, correct. Hans Talhoffer talks about Liechtenauer like he's old news in 1448.

[@swordpeople]

Incorrect

[@icantthinkofausername2605]

​@@swordpeople stfu dimwit

[@koloblican11763]

We know, thats why its hilarious

[@mindsliver2245]

Should have followed Lichtenauers lineage a little further and had him repping Joachim Meyer. Though Meyer has a rapier section it's more akin to sidesword and both these guys seem to be using olympic sabers.

[@mysticmarbles]

None of the things he’s saying are happening. I practice both of those styles. This is just saber stage fighting on both sides. 😑

[@sowpmactavish]

So basically you deny the Liechtenauer guy contact so as to prevent him from doing that slidey stuff that Liechtenauer is known for?

[@Ranstone]

Johannes Liechtenauer was 4 hundreds years earlier, and never wrote down any of his teachings. He's only referenced, by masters like Hans Talhoffer in his writings or by similar masters. This scene is a complete fabrication just for fun.

[@mysticmarbles]

That’s giving them way too much credit. It’s just nonsense name drops. Lichtenauer’s blade contact techniques are preceded by an actual cut or thrust, forcing you to defend. If you were to simply deny blade contact that would just mean that you get hit.

[@realhumanbean57]

@@mysticmarbles Not really. Blade denial can be a great part of a strong game. No binds doesn't always lead to getting hit.

[@mysticmarbles]

@@realhumanbean57 Yes really. Blade denial CAN be useful...but in the context here the guy is just attacking the sword like a beginner. Blade denial, such as durchwechseln in liechtenauer, is used in specific circumstances such as when you are already in blade contact and you want to flip around to the other side. Or when they use a thrust that seeks to set your blade aside (absetzen) you flip around to the other side and do the same thing to them instead. In both those cases their blade is pushing off to the side, not coming toward you in a cut. This is key. If a competent liechtenauer user wants to bind it will usually be preceded with a cut that demands defense, and once the opponent parries then they have the contact they need and can manipulate the blade. If you deny that cut by moving your blade you would just get hit. The only way you wouldn’t is if they are very inexperienced and are out of striking distance aiming at your sword, such as in typical movie fighting.

[@iantheduellist]

These guys think the rennissance ended in 20th century. 🤣🤣🤣

[@BernijayHEMA]

what movie is this from? lmao.

[@lio88jian]

The Librarian: The Curse of the Judas Chalice

[@dt534]

Is this the original audio??

[@janslavik5284]

@@dt534 yes

[@JG-wu2ez]

I think the idea is lost on some watching this, obviously they are fighting with the swords they had on hand, it doesn't matter the type. If you solely studied one style, whatever that was with whatever style sword, even if you picked up a stick you would fight with the guard and tactics you studied.

[@CDKohmy]

YES!!! THANK YOU!!! It's more about principles than the weapon. The one exception is when a system heavily uses a complex hilt (your stick example being a shift in guard and distance if based on backsword).

[@jspr1272]

I sincerely doubt the people who made this put that much thought into it.

[@mysticmarbles]

Nah. It’s just nonsense name drops. I actually train both those styles and they aren’t doing either. The guy supposedly doing liechtenauer should be attacking the body, not chasing the blade. The style is known for using cuts that force the opponent to defend and then working from blade contact. Or at the very least cutting to the openings on the body while they are occupied somewhere else. And stepping with each cut. Standing in place chasing his sword around like a game of whack a mole is the complete opposite. The guy supposedly doing Hutton should be lunging forward and retreating back out of distance. Not standing still teasing him, which would end tragically if the guy decided to reach out and strike him instead of chasing his sword. Neither fighter is using the style they claim to. It’s just typical theatre swordplay.

[@donhall6051]

What is this from

[@acerock013]

lol.

[@RKcousins625]

What nonsense movie is this 😄