Life After H&G

[@Passance]

Shameless Planetside propaganda. Another once-independent creator, now parroting the agenda of Big Nanite. Discord link: discord.gg/FepRvNyEk4

[@remogatron1010]

Any link to the website for new Heroes and General game? So I can see updates of the progress.

[@Passance]

Heroes & Generals 2 doesn't exist and probably never will. There's no evidence it's in active development. The closest thing to an H&G sequel is the fan project Hellborne. hellbornegame.com/

[@remogatron1010]

​@@Passance Now this really makes me upset now. I seriously thought TCM was working on the sequel of the game. I really miss H&G now. It was the only game that played good on my budget laptop. I cannot afford expensive computers. I started playing in 2015 and have over 2,000 hours invested in the game. No games for me since H&G died. Part of me feels sad in a way. It was fun getting drunk while having fun with my friends online. Anyway, I will check out your link. Thank You.

[@Passance]

Many H&G vets sympathise. The sequel trailers seem to have largely been smoke and mirrors cobbled together from public assets. That said, H&G was hardly a well optimized game for old hardware, especially in its later years with flamethrowers and whatnot. It never ran very well on low end hardware compared to some more austere games like, say, Deep Rock Galactic. As I said in the video, Planetside 2 is really the only competition at the moment. The strategic-scale FPS niche is in a sorry state. If you can't stand Planetside for whatever reason then yeah, you're gonna have to wait for Hellborne or some other game like it.

[@K41bo]

Rest in peace one of the finest fps to have ever been developed :(

[@martinkunert9361]

I really miss H&G. I started playing in 2016 and played until the end. 1651,5 hours played. Although of course I knew the exact date the game was shut down, I just managed to realize I will never be able to play this game again. In a few years I´m probably going to watch old videos from H&G but I´m already starting to miss this pure nostalgia game.

[@gothia1715]

Since 2014 over 9 years i did always come back to H&G. I tried some other games but they didnt give me what H&G did. For me it was the perfect mix between a tactical and action shooter. It was at this perfect point in between ARMA boredom and CoD fast paced insanity no other game is. I also loved to depth of weapon modding, which mods turn a gun from a 5 hit killer to a 4 hit killer and what impact which heavy set badge did have for example. Clan play in war was great even tho towards the end it was mostly a sweaty cheese fest against cheater clans. I tried out Enlisted but i was done with it after getting forced to fight full equipped sweats with nothing for two days but with a complete mess of a progress system. It was the lack of H&Gs game pace and its progress system i noticed and couldnt proceed. Such a shame that it was murdered for a cheap cash grab attempt... I really miss this funny little bastard of a game. It was just my shooter.

[@dirkvandenberg4735]

Spot on man spot on! Missing the game so damn much😢

[@dertabletierer7802]

I miss H&G a lot and found in PS2 a good replacement. Switching class without dying still feels odd.

[@Passance]

I can get out of my tank without worrying about whether a sniper is watching the hatch. It's surreal, man

[@4aqha250]

play Enlisted

[@FutureCatNZ]

My experience of h&g: Get escorted to good sniper position by Passance Spend 5 minutes being actually quite good at sniping before getting killed because i can't multi-task so forgot to look around me Respawn and have no idea how to find my way back to the battle Spend the rest of the evening randomly riding a bicycle through the forest 😅 Thanks for introducing me to it that time - it was fun having a go, but I'll never be good at those kind of games!

[@realtk6482]

I did that often too. Just getting a jeep or apc and drive it over the lonely site of the match at the end of the map, chilling in empty forests and just living in the moment. Well never have such an individual game like H&G again.

[@zephmiddendorf5633]

Forever in our hearts. ❤

[@Harambe8]

Every time I hear these theme songs you have used throughout the video I get a deep sense of nostalgia. This was my favorite video game ever. I've spent 2000 hours on it. I hope there comes something like that again, but I probably won't have as much time to play it :( And another thing you described perfectly - Reto struck an impossibly delicate design 👌

[@program4215]

I really miss playing H&G. I first started playing it in 2014 but I actually first played PlanetSide 2 earlier than that. Despite that, Planetside 2 never managed to capture my interest the way H&G did over those years. I have started playing PlanetSide, then stopped again for years after a few days or weeks, at least 3-4 times over the last 10-11 years. It's been about 3 years now since I last played it. Enlisted and other WW2 arcade or tactical shooters are thoroughly inadequate as replacements. Enlisted is so unbelievably shallow compared to H&G. I think it has to do with the WW2 Vs sci-fi theme for me, even though I do like sci-fi. I'm just far more attached to WW2 than PlanetSide 2's sci-fi universe. Those WW2 guns, uniforms and vehicles are so iconic to me, they attach you to the world you are fighting in and make you think of the real thing. It felt awesome finally unlocking that legendary Sturmgewehr or PPSh, and every gun, vehicle and hand grenade was overflowing with historical tales to tell. Despite all the locations having the same maps(definitely something they could have improved on), the fact that they were supposedly taking place at real-life locations also built it up for me. It really added to the experience fighting a desperate battle against the Soviets at Berlin, or trying to prevent the enemy from crossing the Alps or the Dnieper, or knowing that losing this major city would lose the whole war. PlanetSide's world and weapons, really have nothing more to them than what the game has decided to say. I just don't feel as attached to my gun, my character, the worlds or the war. Despite all that I might give it another shot, again now that H&G is gone forever and there doesn't seem to be any incoming alternative.

[@program4215]

Follow-up on this. I gave PS2 a shot, ended up playing for about 2 weekends and then just stopped. It just didn't catch and hold my interest, same as before. However this time it did seem different, in that the game seems very depopulated! Only one continent open at a time and even then often either sparsely populated with players or they are all crammed into one small area. It was far more populated the previous times I played.

[@nicholaspigott8671]

SQUAD 44 is worth your look

[@Passance]

At the time of this video, Post Scriptum was dead as a doornail, but with the way the squad 44 development is going, yeah I may have to take a look at it. 100 player matches still won't make up for the lack of a strategic layer, but it will take the sting out of it.

[@CM-ls6fh]

Ah... I created my account back in Summer 2014 when it first released on Steam and I've logged roughly 1k hours. A lot of what you say is true; Heroes and Generals was unique, it was really a melting pot of so many different playstyles and whenever battles flowed well it was insanely fucking epic. Why did it die? Because of the poor choices taken by the developers. You can say what you want about vets like us in the community, but the problem was truly the developers what they tried they truly messed up. I digress man but what a great game, I will forever fucking miss it. God speed you magnificent bastard o7 HnG...

[@realtk6482]

I always feel bad for vets like you, had it since the first days and then you got slammed in the face by the devs one day. I came to the game in late 2019 but got over 4k hours in it. 4k hours of my life just gone. Atleast they werent wasted, cause I got good and bad memories.

[@sierramike2113]

awwww i miss HnG

[@ib_fame3595]

R.I.P one of my favourite games to play.

[@sarunasjadzgevicius3633]

Ah man i had forgoten how good the ost's are

[@Vidhur]

The same composer (Jesper Kyd) has more recently worked on the co-op shooter WH40K Darktide, also a collection of absolute bangers in that one, though different in tone and style, naturally...

[@realtk6482]

The H&G sound of Americans winning a battle in the background made me a bit emotional. Man how I miss that cheap game.

[@357Striker]

Did you say something, i couldnt hear by the music

[@Passance]

Honestly I don't know if any of my actual words were as important as the overall vibe. This is as close as you're gonna get to a purely emotional sentiment on my channel lol

[@googleeisnotforeveryone.6919]

6000+ playing hours... I still miss this game. Playing nothing now. It was good.

[@portable_wall9222]

I played planetside 2 back in 2017 for a few hundred hours and I found myself a better player in H&G which just shows how similar the gameplay is

[@Vidhur]

For me the other way around, H&G since late 2014 and PS2 since mid 2016, switching between games and not really losing much skill from hiatuses in either, so 💯 on your comment... My mates in H&G didn't get why I chose Planetside 2 when H&G went off the deep end, those that also opted out early mostly left for HLL, they didn't play H&G for the specific niche it filled mechanically, it was more of a WW2 shooter thing for them.

[@Vidhur]

You understand it mate, from all my mates I played H&G with, no one got why I went Planetside2 and not HLL or Enlisted, but you're on the money. It really is the delicate balance between hardcore and casual mechanics in, if I may be a heretic, "battlefield-likes", Planetside2 is the only game even close to H&G in that regard.

[@orpphic]

I MADE IT IN THE VIDEO MUM!!

[@Passance]

Wow, you're famous! You should start making Planetside 2 content ;)

[@orpphic]

nuh uh@@Passance

[@arkadisevyan]

when some battles were over 2 hours long moral was actually a thing

[@Passance]

Yeah I didn't love the change that caused defenders to auto-win after an hour. I actually enjoyed the protracted stalemates on Mountain Town and Forward Airfield, it was good tense fighting with no queue times or bullshit. Plus, if you did need to go, there was no leaver penalty and you got all the rewards you'd earned up to that point, and someone else could drop in from queue to take your place. Kinda like Planetside actually, lol.

[@TheTomphson]

If PS2 is your next move then good luck

[@Passance]

KZbin isn't an income source for me, so I don't really depend on popularity of the games I discuss or the demand for content for them. I'm free to talk about whatever shitty old 2012 combined arms shooter takes my fancy, and if this video only has 500 views a year from now, I lost nothing. What's certain is, this is a game where it's very very easy for anyone watching to make a free account and come join me for the next adventure on the public discord. It's community-enabled, and that's more attractive to me than any rubbish about demographics or branding. I'd rather have half a dozen people see this video and come join my outfits than have ten thousand people watch me make boring, derivative drivel for Enlisted or BattleBit or what-the-fuck-ever and rake in a few cents a month worth of ad revenue.

[@5505daniel]

I wonder why none channel talking about H&G never mention Foxhole as it's replacement🤔

[@Passance]

@@5505daniel because Foxhole is not a shooter.

[@Passance]

Correction; it's not a *first person* shooter. I can't speak for the rest of the HnG community, but personally I have no interest in isometric "shooters" whatsoever.

[@macroleg_macros_norecoil]

Hi. 2 weeks ago, the beta version of the heroes and generals was leaked, and a week ago they were already uploaded to the servers. I have a video on my channel how I play on the server and under the video there is a link to download, and there is information on how to play there. Take a video, help lift online. In the evening a few people gather, you can play.

[@Passance]

Yeah, I've been following along! I'm hoping to join a test this weekend, though it's been difficult so far due to timezones. I'll probably upload a video once I have some footage.

[@aimcott]

Beautiful video, truly miss the game!

[@NoobTrico]

so sad, so miss this game

[@casusbelli9225]

Planetside 2, imho, is way over it's prime years either. Game got a bit too overcomplicated and, at least in Miller/former Wooman, the biggest clans were dispersed. Used to play Planetside 2 in parallel to HnG

[@Passance]

I'm a huge fan of complexity in my combined arms shooter. Complexity is, as far as I'm concerned, replay value. And it just wasn't the same game before Bastions were added...

[@remogatron1010]

Never liked Planetside 2. Not for me.

[@Piombo65]

​@@Passanceif you like fps complexity, prepare for EVE Vanguard. (I played H&G and PS2 togheter. Now I'm in PS2, Miller)

[@jltaco85]

After playing enlisted ever since h&g shutdown, i realised i miss and don't miss h&g for different reasons. For one, tanks and planes in enlisted aren't that o.p like h&g unless you're playing against a full team of elite battle pass players. Also there's less toxic players in enlisted, unlike h&g which was full of them. However h&g was unique, i do miss the plane and tank mechanics, and the feeling of being able to run around with someone on your team blowing up tanks and shit. In enlisted it feels like everyone is doing their own thing, there's no communication whatsoever.

[@ramasj4m]

And that's without any audio chat. Some use discord to communicate, but most are just clue on chat. O2 2f. APC D2 Spawn. Sniper church tower. And suddenly everyone knows what todo

[@Passance]

Yeah, the one good thing about Enlisted's total lack of human interaction is that it does reduce toxicity. The game is 95% bots and bots are usually not neo-nazis.

[@adminadminov836]

Any news?

[@Passance]

Ha! God no. You can check out the Hellborne website if you want to keep up with the fan made sequel. H&G 2 is probably never coming. Planetside is literally all we have in the market right now.

[@LevhartSnezny777]

Have you heard about Hellborne?

[@DaddyJack4]

WWII Online: Chokepoint it looks like H&G 2.0

[@hubtubby]

Hey puny, great vid. Haven't played PS2 in a fair while, will have to reinstall. Ive been playing a fair bit of Battlebit Remastered.

[@Passance]

Hubtub? Man, when I first played H&G you were my idol lol. I still remember you stomping lobbies with M1919s. I've been meaning to try Battlebit with all that I've been hearing about it, but so far none of my mates were interested in buying copies with me, so I hadn't gotten around to it. How have you been finding it?

[@hubtubby]

@@Passance Ive done over 5000 hours in HnG and that was just steam XD. Battlebit is really good, not as epic as PlanetSide or HnG but the gameplay is done well. I think best part is Australian servers, such a luxury.

[@DerBohm]

i miss HandG as well. 3k hours played sir

[@birbsherlock7213]

:( Good to remember a brilliant game. I guess I've gotta go and play Planetside 2 now

[@totesfleisch258]

The Music was wayy too loud and also overshadowed your Voice in some Points, otherwise good Video!

[@Passance]

Lol thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Next time I'll be sure to watch the video unlisted on KZbin before i release it lol.

[@jakobc.2558]

I agree that planet side is very simmilar to H&G but the thing I don't like about it is how, because of the large open maps, the game is heavily vehicle focused, which is made worse by the fact that tank gameplay in planet side is pretty bad and alot worse then in H&G. H&G tanks being slow, having low turret rotation speed and low visibility, made playing them extremely fun. In planet side tanks just feel like big infantry with free third person view, more gun and more health.

[@Passance]

Let's see. There's a much simpler component and damage model. No exposed commander. No coax MGs. Lower velocity. Better accuracy. Much faster movement and rotation.... The tank gameplay is definitely simpler and less nuanced. That said, all I heard anyone say about tanks for like 6 years was bitch about how armour 2.0 ruined the game and Planetside's tank gameplay is basically armoir 1.0 but tanks can do the scout car thing and see in 3rd person. Rotation is faster, but AT grenades are stronger and traverse is still limited so infantry can still outmanouever and kill tanks in cqc, especially light assaults. I actually like the way vehicles can only be M-killed at very low health, because being tracked or breeched on the first hit in H&G felt terrible. There are serious tradeoffs, none of which I think are as severe as the very low velocities, but they fit into the gameplay cycle perfectly imo. Planetside's tanks are healthier for the game than HnG's ever were.

[@Valvadosworkshop]

You said it right. There is no game like H&G. Enlisted is bad. Hell let loose is bad. Battlefields are bad. No more FPS for me. RIP heroes &generals. 7 years! I salute you. -Valvados

[@Passance]

Hell Let Loose is not really bad as its own game IMO, it just has very little in common with H&G. Planetside 2 is the only other game that plays anything at all like H&G. Still not a perfect replacement, but the best we've got.

[@Valvadosworkshop]

@@Passance i think its just too realistic and less room mod guns and other stuff.

[@Passance]

Eh, I can live with differences in realism. What I can't really enjoy is a game with zero mobility. The only travel in HLL is from spawn to the frontline, then you either hold an angle there for 20 minutes straight or peek and instantly die. There's no flanking on a motorcycle or paradropping into the enemy back line.

[@Valvadosworkshop]

@@Passance True that. I loved flanking in H&G. Gameplay was tactic and dynamic. Big mistake was retos own game engine.

[@Passance]

Have you given Planetside a go yet?

[@runescaper1333]

unfortunately, PS2 is nearing at its end of life too :(

[@Passance]

Fortunately, the dev team seems to be coming out of their post-Wrel hibernation, but yeah that game is probably on indefinite life support for the most part. I'm just hoping it lasts long enough for another *actually good* combined arms game to come out.

[@cfsgyogyulas]

Gaming life is not the same after loosing HG guys...I dont enjoy any game like HG :(

[@BlackmetalKommando87]

:(

[@4aqha250]

everyone hop on Enlisted

[@Passance]

oh no, it's disabled

[@PAL3Tigerrr]

PS2 is dead your just coming to the end of a game. That died a year ago

[@Passance]

All footage in the video was gathered in the months after H&G's servers went dark. No, Planetside is not dead, I can still open it and join a server and get in a fight. Just because it doesn't have the gargantuan playerbase it did back in the day doesn't make a game dead. _H&G_ is dead. Planetside is just long in the tooth.

[@PAL3Tigerrr]

@Passance and you should read the comments you got. No one is saying gee planetside a great idea. Look I can see if you're new that you may like it. But battlebit is better.

[@Passance]

Firstly, I'm not new to Planetside. I played it back in like 2014. It's a much better game now than it was then, with the addition of fleet carriers etc. Second, no, Battlebit is not better than Planetside, Battlebit is a battlefield clone in a glorified roblox minigame with no grand strategy nor fully open world. Maybe the moment-to-moment gameplay of Battlebit is not such utter dogshit as Enlisted or Hell Let Loose. But it still can never be a substitute for H&G because it lacks scale and perspective.

[@PAL3Tigerrr]

@Passance then you know the game is nothing like it was in 2014.so your lying to your subscribers.

[@PAL3Tigerrr]

@@Passance ps they never fixed any of the bugs.