Life at the Top of Scientology: Jesse Prince Interview

[@Caitlin2k3]

I love that Jesse is making the KZbin equivalent of a book tour right now. I think that he and Mark Headley are the best Scientology story tellers and I also feel that Chris Shelton and Jeffrey Augustine usually ask the best interview questions in the moment. I get excited when I see a pair up like this!

[@orangecrush8812]

can you start asking people how they got their lives together after leaving? that's the thing i'm always interested in -- where did they go, how'd they get a place to live, a job, what are they doing now? Coming from that bubble, it has to be terrifying, and i'm always impressed at how well people do.

[@seckora]

This seems like it would be similar to the amish when they realize there is SO MUCH MORE once they leave..... I wish the IRS would Audit the entirety of Scientology!

[@theresaakins2317]

I'm interested in all these questions as well.

[@amandamartin3142]

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[@capscow_5398]

I wonder if he was debrief by the FBI.....

[@renpilak6048]

SeckoraStead , or the Justice Department. Let’s hope!

[@SolaGratia.]

Jesse seems like such a fun, authentic person. It's so strange, I've yet to stumble across an ex Scientologist I don't like. It's such a shame so many incredible people got sucked into that vortex of doom for years, but I'm glad they finally got out and moved on with their lives. So much respect.

[@BattleCreekSquirrelSquad]

Right. I am amazed. But then again, intelligent people are usually seekers. I can't stand Tommy Davis 😒, though. Lol 😆

[@biancachristie]

Wow! Jesse is one of the people who I really wanted to know more about from the time I first started reading up about Scientology’s history, because I had all the same questions as everyone else seems to have about Miscavige and his rise to power, and I knew he had been there and seen it. He’s even more insightful than I hoped he would be. He also has a lot of interesting stuff to say about what drew him to Scientology and what kept him there, and I admire his pragmatic attitude towards what he could take away from his time in Scientology. It’s super scary to hear about how the lawyers kept Scientology on life support. I’v never felt remotely tempted by Scientology, and I’ve always wondered why so many obviously very bright, successful people are drawn to it, and why they stay once they start to realize that it’s not what they hoped it would be. I’ve also wondered, for years and years now, about the weird absence of people of color in Scientology, and that makes what Jesse has to say even more valuable. Please have him back when you can.

[@freeyalloya84]

BlackExcellence at it’s finest, the only Black Man I’ve seen so far on Scientology revelations and his Intelligent af! I like what he said about reaching the point where he didn’t need to be there... and you can tell he doesn’t seem like someone who needed to be blackmailed to remain in the church. I’m glad he’s a free man from this cult. This is a chilled beautiful Soul 🙌🏿

[@tamara6212]

Agreed. I could listen to these two for hours.

[@soltier8965]

Everyone’s gotta make it racial these days.. lol

[@cedricliggins7528]

It's always abt race in this country. People can't just be people. I'm glad you think he is "intelligent". Such a compliment.

[@Flame44]

Been waiting to hear from this gentleman for a long while! So intriguing . Great interview. Happy for you both to be living life on your OWN terms!

[@kdholden]

THRILLED to see Jesse Prince. The Most fasinating man with such insider info. Love Love LOVE

[@hennisincoff502]

Adore Jesse Prince! he is so insightful and articulate in all that he knows. please have him on again Chris - great interview :-)

[@sweettea527]

Jesse has the greatest voice!

[@LoveusSlothus]

Karen Pardo Doesn’t he?! I hope really does end up making an audiobook of his book.

[@MissWoman1]

@@LoveusSlothus Do they get to use their own voice for their audio books??? I've only ever heard them done by 'voice actors' or normal actors🤔🤔🤔 But would be great if it was his voice as it's easy to listen to for ages😉

[@JohnDoe-ym5ly]

I've waited so long for Jesse to hit the circuit of interviews and for him to be able to tell his story!

[@kdholden]

SAME

[@tannidrever7492]

He did an interview with Ron Miscavige on his channel. I really enjoyed it 👍🏻

[@JohnDoe-ym5ly]

@@tannidrever7492 I did too. I first heard about Jesse Prince by watching videos from 1998-1999 when he worked with Bob Minton at the Lisa McPherson Trust. For someone with so much info and such a long involvement, and who was there so early on in the Sea Org, I'm really glad he's finally gotten out there.

[@exjwborn-in2134]

Wow! What a combination! You gotta love Jesse man-he's a cool cat! Same with Chris! Freakin great interview! 👍🏽❤️👍🏽❤️

[@MG-zn9fn]

Excellent interview! Since you reviewed Jesse's book, I have been wanting to get it on audible; so I'm glad you brought it up at the end! So yes Jesse please do a audible version of it. It's so popular to listen on audible these days because of all the commute and whatnot people do.

[@katiesanders238]

I could listen to Jesse talk for hours, great interview Chris!

[@satellitefeed1665]

ANY interview of Jesse is terrific. This one is the best.

[@Multichick]

👏👏👏 great interview with Jesse! I love how Jesse talks about the hired lawyers v the ‘church’, really fascinating insights. Wow! Jesse confronted DM! And DM apologized to Jesse (as he should have). 🎉

[@MissWoman1]

I think what I like the most in ALL of Chris's interviews is nearly EVERY ex-member can LAUGH and they and Chris STILL have a sense of humour!😉

[@JohnDoe-ym5ly]

I'm so glad when around the 56:00 minute mark Jesse establishes that the culture of violence at Int/Gold was truly established and normalized by Hubbard initially, and Miscavige literally came into adulthood believing that was just how you operated. Being around Hubbard in his last years, while DM was in his developmental years, must have permanently altered his head and like a virus his insanity infected those around him. That's not to excuse DM for perpetrating it, but it shows the tragedy of what the cult can do to especially younger people, particularly ones with a predisposition to narcissism.Things like the Hole have their basis in L. Ron's later, especially ruthless policies and punishments. Everything from the rock slam/RPF establishment period, to destroying his own C/S David Mayo right after he claimed that Mayo saved his life, must have had a powerful effect on how paranoid and vindictive the executive strata thought it should be from then on -- people like Miscavige, Marty, Rinder etc were coming into adulthood when these events transpired. So many times the abused become the abuser in an endless cycle of continuance. Those last 15 years of LRH's life invalidate the Freezone argument that Miscavige alone destroyed the church....where do people think he learned his trade?

[@alexisdigital]

Thank you for this great comment.

[@SuppressioHibernicis]

Exactly! I've been like a broken record about this for years - nice to hear that others feel the same way. Indies have their heads in the sand, regarding the Saint Ron rhetoric.

[@JohnDoe-ym5ly]

The same people who can claim that 'ethics didn't used to be so ridiculous' should've talked to David Mayo, his teeth falling out running around a pole in the desert when LRH commanded it, and then fair gamed into silence for YEARS after he left. The ethics were always as ridiculous and arbitrary, all that happened was that it got expanded downwards by DM as the church began to fail to expand, and he had to use strong arm control methods on even public who used to be more immune from it to keep them in the fold.

[@SuppressioHibernicis]

Also, the directive to absolutely destroy Paulette Cooper was under hubbard's governance - yeah really nice fellow, a real champion of humanitarian endeavours.

[@JohnDoe-ym5ly]

Yep. It's just like Chris Shelton outlined in one of his videos -- destruction is woven into the DNA of the tech. Are there workable self help or common sense principles scattered throughout? Sure -- but they can be had much cheaper, much more sanely, and much less harmfully than the church can offer those principles.

[@patwegner8265]

Best interview I've ever seen. He is so "real."

[@jason6360]

It's a great book Jesse. Your insights helped me with my waking up.

[@homeskillet7423]

Thank you to all who are doing things to better the lives of children. My heart breaks for children alone and suffering needlessly

[@George50809]

Scientology is a train wreck.

[@MG-zn9fn]

Hey Jesse! Please make an audiobook version. I'd really like to hear your book. I'm sure a lot of people would buy it because it's a long book and a lot of people are interested in hearing what you have to say! Thanks man

[@florencedebear1576]

Great interview and I'm going to get Jesse Prince's book.

[@MissPerriwinkle]

yay jesse !!!!

[@sarahsee7473]

I always enjoy your interviews Chris. You are so likeable but still ask the most informative questions. Great work!

[@kathiedito1318]

This series has been spectacular each episode gets better and better

[@326musician]

I knew COB wouldn't intimidate Mr. Prince, because he would kick his a$$!!! Great interview!

[@tamara6212]

FlyWithKim Right!?!? Jesse stood his ground. I have great respect for both Jesse and Chris.

[@scottstallings6132]

YOU ARE A GREAT HOST & PROGRAMMER...I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

Thank you! I will.

[@George50809]

Chris, you have put out so much great content. Your channel is awesome.

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

Thanks so much!

[@donnamcclure7554]

The absolute best interview that made THE most sense about the process of this ‘religion’. Thank you Jesse, for sharing from the deepest parts of your heart. Lord bless you and I pray that you find and seek the only one true God.

[@sarosaurus1334]

Jesse Prince is my top 3 favorite interview subjects wrt Scientology! He rejects a lot of things that is "common theory" to most other top level Scientologists. I remember the theory of Miscavige altering communication with L ron, or if it was that he didn't even have direct communication with L ron. And that's interesting to me :)

[@AngieAitch]

Jesse is great! x

[@malgremor85]

The Navy rejected me because I was too small, though I'm not as small as David Miscavige. Perhaps the Sea Org would have me, & I can be a sailor after all!

[@Khwartz]

Chris, You looks to me A Great Interviewer! That was Very Pleasant to watch and Very Rich imho :) Thanks A Lot 💛

[@freedomfields75]

Such a fantastic interview, you clearly admire Jessy and I can see why listening to his story. Interesting talking about CST too. Dillon Gill did an interview with Aaron a while back. It would be good to see you interview him too. Different interviewers, different perspectives 🙂

[@nerminodkan401]

Never heard of RTC when I was Boston Org staff in 1970''s.

[@trojanette8345]

It's amazing that Jesse Prince is about the only former employee of S- that hasn't been hounded by the organization after leaving. Also, wonder if he knows what happened to Shelley M?

[@BattleCreekSquirrelSquad]

Thanks, Chris for all your hard work and enlightenment. I just started enjoying podcasts and Twitter, though I've been interested in Scientology and other damaging cults for a long time. I am way behind everyone else. Lolol ☺️ I sincerely hope that this is the year of Scientology! Dismantling it, I mean! Too many have been mindf@&!*$ by these evil 😈 organizations. May NXIUM be the beginning of the end!😅

[@MsDayPlanner]

I hope he does an audible book. I was glad you did Chris, and just bought it. But I'm not crazy about reading, so will continue to watch for his book. Good interview. Thank you.

[@martinwilliams1576]

Seems like both you are having interesting lives in spite of ur former Scientology statuses.

[@linasithlady7377]

This is so fascinating, I had to watch it twice! Great combination of two very clever minds. What Jesse describes regarding his out of body experience sounds very familiar. This just blows me away.

[@BlackuLaLa]

Fantastic interview! He's a cool ass dude! Hate to admit it, but I love the thought of him whooping Muscavige's ass for dropping n-bombs! After watching this, I Googled Mr. Prince to get more info, and I'll be damned if the top page of results weren't very, very nasty smears against him (and other notable figures, namely Davey's dad). You'd never know by looking at the names of the websites on those results, but at the very bottom, in very tiny letters, is "the church of Scientology". Disgusting how they work

[@bradmagnuson6963]

Almost reminds me of the scene in the movie "The Firm", where actor Wilford Brimley is showing Tom Cruise the pictures of him with another woman, and then proceeds to blackmail him

[@kristinfrostlazerbeams]

I saw a Hulu or Netfix drama called "The Path." I figured it was vaguely based on Scientology, but the more I hear about this cult, the more parallels I see. It is really interesting and I liked the series.

[@andreadiamond7115]

Who doesn’t know LRH was a freaking wack job after this awesome interview!

[@mothersgauri4137]

Great interview ( sorry about the sound problems). Looking forward to reading the book ! Thanks !

[@lizzyg1914]

As always a compelling interview!

[@millsykooksy4863]

God so crazy....L Ron was insane. Interesting that essentially lawyers have kept scientology afloat. "If it weren't for them scientology would be run out of town." How come nobody has gone after these attorneys?

[@CeceKruchkoSmith]

Great discussion. Thank you.

[@robertalexander9365]

Very informative episode. Great guest and great questions

[@Amy-bn7hn]

This is really good! Jesse's a great guy.

[@SuzanneZacharia]

Wonderful interview and great interview skills. Thank you.

[@shellyduval9646]

I must have missed the fact as to what his final straw was for leaving?. Also how he got out? Did he have to escape? I didnt hear any of that in this interview.

[@41Pucky]

Hi Chris, Jesse is a very interesting guest and you did a good interview. When will you do a follow up interview?

[@phase2763]

excellent channel, excellent interview.

[@TopTierTealTippedSpears]

Phase 2 Thanks for all your videos, too

[@scoobykitty]

Thanks for the great interview! I've often heard that Tom Cruise has become a clone of David Miscavige, so it was interesting to hear Jesse talk about Miscavige impersonating LRH. I'd love to hear more about how Jesse feels about Miscavige then and now.

[@nerminodkan401]

What was Hubbard's role in CST after 1977 FBI raid of his church cult?

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@MrCouchIncident]

Yes yes yes yes yes! Freak'in awesome.

[@123mintjelly]

Riveting stuff - loved it. Can't wait to read the book. In the book does he talk about how he gets out of Scientology ?

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

Yes he does. In detail.

[@merricat3025]

It's on Kindle unlimited. I don't like paying for book so I'm always happy when I find them free. Of course you have to be an unlimited member to get it for nothing

[@angelab33]

@@merricat3025 Thanks for the Heads Up!! I keep my Unlimited membership, because even tho I don’t use it as often as I should, it’s nice for checking out books that I may want to buy (in Hardcover), for my permanent collection, which I think I’d like to do with Jesse Prince’s bk! Sounds like a Helluva Ride!!!😁👏

[@utubecomment21]

Why does no Scientologist that has blown, talk about the pill factories?

[@pamgori8008]

I was in a company for fifteen years...the administrator implemented these same tactics..i was told i was being WATCHED I said ive got two eyes..im watching you back...they didnt want to fire me becouse then i would be eligible for unemployment..instead they thought they could bully me into quitting..which i didnt.i took the abuse for four months..exploited in front of other co workers..i was called a cowboy..yada yada.once i left and got my unemployment exceptance they implimented an issue so i called for a hearing..they produced evidence that was clearly fabricated..my point is.. A company you work for could be run by Scientology or similar tactics..its happening EVERYWHERE..employees are treated as slaves and meetings are auditing sessions using psychology to break the will..BOSTON

[@lperez123]

Great video , is Jesse still doing interviews. I love to see some more

[@Hgoenge81]

Great interview 👍🏻👍🏻

[@ClivehWright]

Wow..... Just wow!

[@nerminodkan401]

Had never heard of RTC/ Ethics , Sea Org., MAA-, plus Chapter Committee- until at Flag in Clearwater, Florida, 1997. Also, in 1992, year Miscavige invented 'Golden Age of Technology's re do doooo! Golden age of tech way...justified why previous NOTs OT 5 didn't work at the fraud mecca Flag! Expected me to pay another $25,000 , which I refused to do!

[@elliesimpson1313]

His description of filing all that paper reminded of putting IRS bulletins in binders virtually daily in the 1980s, at our CPA firm, lol

[@cneal1988]

The problem with interviewing people that have written books is they stop talking because they want you to buy their book which is counterproductive. I hate that.

[@merricat3025]

I just checked on Amazon. Jesse's book is available on Kindle unlimited. I downloaded it. I have not read it yet

[@nerminodkan401]

Hope you do interview with Steven Hassan, in a new unite of time Chris!

[@carolynbateman1320]

Very interesting interview. Thanks. I will get the book

[@tamara6212]

Ok @1:01:45..Jesse isn't appretiating being called a "N.....". Looks like David Miscavage almost got his ass handed to him! Good for you Jesse! Great Interview Chris! You always ask the right questions. Thank you Jesse!

[@michelletetreault6119]

Scientology is a "white" organization. It doesn't make sense to see NoI merging with them🤨🤔. Y would any one with the Nation follow a white man's words!!!!😒

[@michelletetreault6119]

Scientology is racist!!! Even the term wog pertains to orientals. It IS racist

[@nerminodkan401]

I didn't find out about CST until 2007!!

[@Valmontst]

Chris, it is now 2021. Will you be doing any more videos about Scientology? We miss them!

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

I just posted a podcast about Scientology this last weekend with Aaron Smith-Levin, LOL. But if you mean my Basics of Scientology series, I will be completing that after I complete my degree. I can't get both done at the same time. My schedule simply isn't my own under the demands of uni studies.

[@dl_0002]

He mentions about the real cause and circumstances surrounding Hubbard's death, but doesnt give any specifics. Anyone know what he's referring to? What were the actual circumstances around, or cause of, Hubbard's death?

[@yonandonibadiola]

Some report that it was a stroke but other docs I have seen reported that he suffered Chronic Pancreatitits which is usually associated with drugs , bad diet etc... And it makes sense to me if you see what he looked like I mean for someone preaching others about being Clear he himself was a mess!!!!

[@nerminodkan401]

Plus, Julie Christopherson Law Suit...Portland, OR. Crusade . I was there protesting on behalf of $cientology. Same year IAS war chest was formed from $200 year to $2,000 Lifetime , $5,000 Sponsor- 1984&1985.

[@jenholmes4033]

I am just wondering if there is anyone left in this cult? Everyone including senior figures have left.

[@nerminodkan401]

Jesse Prince🤗💟💜🌐🙏🕺

[@SherrySaundersNC]

What year did Jesse P leave this cult? I am asking because did anyone ever see Shelly ??? There's not been any updates that I have seen.

[@upmayo9741]

No wonder you're about to hit 20k - great interview!

[@nerminodkan401]

What did Jesse know about Lisa McPherson!?

[@qassandraable]

Trump isn't a Scientologist but the more I hear about Scientology's methods, the more I recognize techniques Trump uses. Going after individuals instead of the institutions they represent is yet another. This week we're watching the Senate grapple with it.

[@HOP-CAFE]

Very very interesting, mainly the part on the lawyers, it reminds me something I read a few years ago on the internet, anyway, do you know if Jesse Prince has a plan to get his book translated in French ? May be with the same firm who published Going Clear in France. It would be great !

[@kathiedito1318]

We are speaking brilliant people how d8rs this happen

[@annachristie377]

Seems to me that he experienced trauma from the death of his mother so it sounds like he was disassociating and it felt like an out of body experience.

[@deefindlay4666]

Not interesting into psychology, but facts which will hang them. Thank you Jessie.

[@mikehunt9884]

at least he had heart, and didn't fold and hand out the keys to the LMT to OSA like Minton and Stacy did..

[@jewell92]

I think they [gov't] are still afraid of Co$. Please thank Jesse for helping Tori Christman. I am glad they are both out!

[@inspiredblue]

I see that Minnesota tee shIrt 😎

[@inspiredblue]

I think you look quite handsome in that Minnesota tee.

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

Haha. Thanks.

[@dalemayfield6098]

🙀😮I had no idea they allowed black folks to be members. This leaves me with a WHOLE lot of questions...

[@Rhombohedral]

you know you know you know you know you know yes you know you know you know you know, knowingly you know you know you know no you know I wanna be clear you know you know you know you know, yes i know

[@capscow_5398]

did he say Ron was burned in a dumpster ...poetic justice...

[@alexisdigital]

So the only time Miscavige said sorry, he was fearing a beating (well deserved), having called Jesse the N word in front of witnesses, he also knew he couldn't make Jesse the bad guy. Typicall behavior of a narcissist.

[@chrisleclerc5254]

In general...PEOPLE! Stop falling for the crap. Use your brain, trust yourself. Stop assuming someone who has money or status knows better than you. Screw people in a position of power. Assume they are narcissistic sociopaths. It's true more than not true.

[@chicosuave2966]

Did he actually answer any of his questions or did he just dance around the question ? I mean some of the direct ones

[@theotherkangaroo]

Fascinating interview! Is this available in audio file?

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

No, sorry. I don't podcast these.

[@kdholden]

Just download the video and listen at your convenience 😊

[@blacksuperwoman1837]

Someone said President Trump is going to go after scientology so they may need that ship.

[@donnamcclure7554]

Black SuperWoman He would probably be the only one that would in our government because he can’t be ‘paid off’ like so many are at so many levels!

[@gregoryreese7686]

I doubt it. Trump loves people who rule with a iron fist.

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

Trump don't give a shit about Scientology, he cares about himself

[@kimmoore0427]

You were def Astral Traveling.

[@HappyQuailsLC]

Great photo of Jessie on the thumbnail!

[@Mothersload]

Where is Shelly?

[@lperez123]

Chris where jesse prince now is he still doing interviews?

[@christopherharrison1638]

Come on Chris Shelton,Blake Shelton, Shelton CT BIC LIGHTERS