The Truth About At-Home Microneedling & the Potential FDA Ban

[@LifeDIY]

No one is talking about this, other than a few redditors. So, let's spread the word on this situation while we can. Please share this video & my full website post here: lifeanddiy.com/is-at-home-microneedling-being-banned-latest-on-the-fda-review-options/ which gives you the entire run down with screenshots and evidence so you can see it for yourself. Let me know if you have any questions - Holly

[@karolinax]

I'm from Europe but I have enough. First European Union bans retinol in skincare over 0.3%, which is pathetic and I know it's Europe, but I''m worried that Dr Pen will be banned here too.. like please leave us alone :/

[@manalelhamraoui8057]

Hello, could you please share with me the link where I can buy cartridges in Europe ? Thanks in advance

[@thedivinefeminine1821]

This is what happens when bad people are in powerful positions

[@Satrina777]

Thank you for bringing light to this issue. Ugh, I haven't even started microneedling yet, but have been wanting to, and now I'm a bit concerned how this is going to work out long term.

[@johan7285]

Well…..CRAP! I’m going to stock up ASAP. Thanks for the info.

[@misottovoce]

I purchased a Dr Pen years ago and never really got around to using it much and then forgot about it. Recently, I came across it again and online videos and want to start it seriously now. Here in Europe, they are available on Amazon (I randomly checked Amazon Germany, France, Spain (where I live) and even UK. No problem. The US FDA...hmmm...always a problem.

[@SemiCrazyTruckerLady]

Ive noticed ttemu has renamed the pens to microcrystalline and microsculp instead of microneedling. And there are wayy less of them available. Im so glad i bought mine when i did. This was before i found your video.

[@LifeDIY]

Interesting! I am still seeing some microneedling pens on there. That's good you were able to stock up.

[@geoffreybrowne5191]

Just stumbled on this. And it solved A LOT of mysteries for me from the past 6 months

[@tonyarang5379]

Thank you Holly, for this information. I'm currently in the process of ordering replacement cartridges for my M8 from Temu. It appears there are less options available than before. If they think they can make money by controlling this, then that's what they're gonna do. It's really unfortunate for us consumers 😔

[@LifeDIY]

You're welcome. I hope you can get some decent ones. I bought from Meethere as well as Meetcare (this one is way cheaper for some reason). The images of the M8 cartridges here: lifeanddiy.com/buying-microneedling-pens-and-cartridges-closeup-photos-where-buy/ are from the Meethere seller, which is actually a manufacturer called Shenzhen Yanyi Technological Co. I am not sure who manufactures or sells the Meetcare ones, so I bought them so I can check out the cartridges and take some closeups for the site.

[@benybilly3519]

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[@MsVictory1945]

Who in the world would order medical supplies from TEMU?????????

[@thedivinefeminine1821]

It's not unfortunate it's our fault. We need to STOP voting these people in

[@benpptung074]

I find it unreasonable that driving, which is more dangerous, isn't banned, yet everyone is allowed to drive. The FDA would respond that a driver's license is required. I agree with this argument. So, FDA, you could issue licenses, right? Why ban it outright? Because there are substantial interests behind this, benefiting certain groups. Many medical practices are actually simple and don't require specialized knowledge. Yet, under FDA's guidance, they are restricted to those with medical licenses. I believe this is wrong. Licensed medical professionals should be responsible for truly complex issues that require years of study, not something like microneedling that anyone can do. In fact, many in aesthetic medicine, who have medical licenses, don't understand the underlying principles but can buy a machine and make a lot of money. Therefore, it's common to see "monkeys" performing some aesthetic treatments. A law should be promoted to draw a line for the FDA. Simple treatments that can be learned in three months should not be restricted, especially if they involve interest groups. The FDA might have conflicts of interest with these groups, banning certain medical devices or practices for the benefit of these related interest groups. If there are conflicts of interest within the FDA, then someone should be in prison.

[@MsKaterinaKo]

Oh gosh okay, I better stock up too! Thank you for the heads up, I've been microneedling for about 10 years and can't imagine not being able to do it! 12 pins for me! :)

[@LifeDIY]

You're welcome! I am trying to spread the word. I feel the same way.

[@susannefreja5989]

I just wanted to come back to this video and say Thank You. I finally completed my first microneedling session at home using the Dr. Pen M8 with a 16-pin cartridge, which I purchased on Temu.

[@LifeDIY]

@@susannefreja5989 Thank you for tge nice comment. I hope you get great reaults from the microneedling!

[@jessz444]

I am a little nervous that the cartridges from TEMU won’t be safe or will damage my skin. Have you compared them to the ones you received from Dr. Pen?

[@LifeDIY]

I totally understand. I have compared them with my other ones (other ones I bought a couple years ago on a reputable site + ones previously purchased on Amazon) and all the packaging is identical and the products look identical. I took closeups of everything here: lifeanddiy.com/buying-microneedling-pens-and-cartridges-closeup-photos-where-buy/ - I am going to update the post with more details so you know which ones I bought from Temu. Basically the M8 cartridges were from Temu. I found some Dr. Pen cartridge charts too and they all look identical to the ones in the charts. I was just shocked to see how the "needles' looked on the A6 36-pin cartridge. Although it looks normal according to the charts, those are not individual needles and I do not want to use those ones and will avoid that at all costs. I also think it's a wise idea to disinfect the cartridge with alcohol before using it. There are also some other websites still selling cartridges but I feel like they're overpriced and probably the exact same as what I am getting. I could buy some to compare.

[@jessz444]

@@LifeDIY This is excellent, thank you! I did plan on disinfecting my cartridges from TEMU before use! Thank you for bringing awareness to this!! 🩷🤣

[@hellothere4765]

This makes me so irate, I’m a guy so I’m not really using this for skin, but these are such a great thing for hair loss. Thanks to this video I was able to order in bulk just in time.

[@LifeDIY]

YES! So many guys (especially) are using this for hair growth.

[@th-ck9vl]

Why not? Mens skin thins out faster than women's it wouldn't be a bad idea to do both

[@Jorge..Waio.]

DEFUND THE FDA

[@th-ck9vl]

Girl be forreal.

[@Jorge..Waio.]

@@th-ck9vl no fr fr - daddy trump please help us. if you can hear us please save us

[@dnguyen5678]

I just stocked up on cartridges enough to last a few years... T_T What to do after that?! I finally got very comfortable with microneedling at home and it's been so effective for me.

[@LifeDIY]

Same here. It's been super effective.

[@JenniferJess]

What do the nano needles do for your skin?

[@TheWayIsPeace]

This is all about the $ for sure. Poor plastic surgeons wanna keep that money flowing. Healthcare has become such a racket here. It’s shameful

[@LifeDIY]

Sure, I will try to! I did record myself doing my hair this morning, so I hope to expand on that content and do a hair video coming up!

[@patrycja.ll3]

OMG i need to stock up! This is crazy

[@EricCosner]

The War on Anti-Aging definitely stresses me out a little. I have been wanting to try at home needling as part of my longevity protocols. I literally came here from memory, only to discover this ban! Obviously, nobody is doing this to hurt themselves. I'd love to have done professionally with blood plasma and such, but that's such an ordeal. It's so frustrating having already experienced these same issues sourcing NMN. Thanks for covering this and putting in the good fight! I suppose I'm joining Temu at last. 😊

[@LifeDIY]

Hey Eric, Thanks for stopping by here and checking out the video. Microneedling is a great treatment option for reversing or slowing down some signs of aging in the skin. It does sound like such an ordeal to get it done in an office setting with plasma, etc. I totally agree with you on the situation being frustrating - similar to the NMN potential ban. I've heard they may try to regulate face peels next - so that's going to be a big problem as you can't stockpile that a they tend to weaken over time and expire. I hope that doesn't happen though.

[@emre03062]

Hello, I am a design student and I am redesigning the dermapen. So I was wondering, do you have any suggestions for me to improve this product? Or what kind of problems did you experience while using it?

[@nopenothing1]

Wait, so this all started because the biggest manufacturer of microneedling pens and cartridges, filed for FDA approval?! Why would they do that? Surely they must know that they will now be getting much less business when the only people that can buy it are dermatologists? The average person is not going to pay $350 for one microneedling session (That's how much it costs out here for me, and that's the "sale" price!). This is BS. I ordered from Temu but I don't have a lot of money and the prices are rising. I'm scared I won't be able to stock up enough before the prices are insane.

[@LifeDIY]

Some people are also buying in bulk from Alibaba, direct from resellers who most often purchase direct from the main manufacturer. It's just another option that may work for some people. I totally agree with you that this is an overpriced treatment at $350 or even $150 is too much in my opinion. I don't live anywhere within two hours or more of doing a treatment like this. I also just prefer to do this myself. Regarding the company - who knows. Maybe they knew restrictions were coming anyway and their devices are now approved as medical devices. I am not sure.

[@nopenothing1]

@@LifeDIY I just received my order today and compared them to my old Amazon needles, I left a comment with more details about it.

[@aleksshay]

Would the 0.25mm nano needles they sell on Temu still help with atrophic acne scars?

[@LifeDIY]

Some of the cartridges sold on Temu are said to be 0.25 mm but they are actually deeper than that. The depth just depends on the setting you use on your pen. If you specifically buy nano needles, those won't help. Basically, some sellers are stating they are selling 0.25mm cartridges even though they are normal cartrdiges - in order to get around certain rules. I prefer using a cartridge that as 16 pins or less. And, one of those should help with your scars - if you use a certain depth. I can't remember what the depth is for atrophic acne scars, but you can probably find that on pubmed. Hope this helps!

[@aleksshay]

@ awesome thank you!! I bought the best selling dr pen m8 replica by Dr Derma Pen, hoping this ones adjustable 🙏

[@aleksshay]

@@LifeDIY although it says it comes with nano hr :/

[@xenialozano703]

Can you upload a video showing the speed level and the approach you use when doing your entire face. Any thabks

[@globetrotting2628]

Thank you for the info. I just ordered the machine and cartridges from Temu

[@LifeDIY]

No problem! I'm glad they're still available.

[@1230sandrag]

I personally use the Derminator 2 and have not had any issues getting cartridges.

[@antoniaminor7]

Same. I live in Germany and always order mine in the Czech Republic.

[@staceypoineau3955]

I just heard about this a few days ago from AlohaJenns latest video.She talks about the micro needling ban and also a ban on Chemical Peels and Red Light in the US

[@LifeDIY]

Thanks! I have never seen her videos before and checked it out and subscribed! It's interesting to hear about the state of CA and all the restrictions on professionals. I commented on her channel to give her more details on the situation. I'll finish watching later. I would not be surprised if they try to ban peels too...but red light therapy?

[@misottovoce]

Seriously...red light therapy too?

[@staceypoineau3955]

@@misottovoce yes,supposedly the manufacturers are making false claims as to what red light therapy can do

[@misottovoce]

@@staceypoineau3955 I am all for getting after those manufacturers of anything making false claims. However, in the case of red light therapy why 'ban' them when there are so many users happy with them because they work for them. I think it is as with everthing, reputation and quality of the product that is most important.

[@LifeDIY]

There are a lot of sellers who make false claims. I have had a lot of involvement in this issue in the recent past, due to my last job. I had to attend some classes on the FDA's rules for marketing products/claims/etc. and revamp a website to make it compliant... and it's complicated. The FDA back then didn't often go after skincare claims like it would go after claims made by supplement companies, for example. They now appear to be cracking down on skincare as well. The companies are often so clueless - throwing a website up and thinking they're safe to say things in a careful or cautious way, with particular wording. But, the FDA will go after them for it. To be honest, the companies almost cannot make any claims without risking the FDA's involvement. Even if they try to skirt around it and use reviews and testimonials, they can get in trouble for it. So although there are a lot of companies doing bad things, the FDA also makes it incredibly difficult to do it "their way."

[@allisonpingel5577]

The pen is still available to purchase online

[@LifeDIY]

I just noticed it's back on Amazon, but you can't get the cartridges other than nano cartridges.

[@allisonpingel5577]

@@LifeDIYyou are so correct! This is wild, everything you talked about regarding availability is correct. This is crazy that this isn’t being talked about more. Thank you

[@LifeDIY]

@@allisonpingel5577 No problem! It's a strange situation and I just hope we can all continue to get supplies somehow. :)

[@alexanderSnilsson]

First off, THANK YOU! I’m so confused about not finding anyone on Amazon. A bit off-topic, but which pen and needle cartridges should I get? I did three microneedling treatments last year with a professional, but now I want to do it on my own, especially around the eyes for the crow’s feet, which have gotten much worse since I moved to North Carolina six months ago. This sun is killing me, even though I’m super careful with sunscreen! I’m a 36-year-old male and would REALLY appreciate your recommendations.

[@LifeDIY]

Thank you for the comment! Any of the Dr. Pens would work well, but right now the M8 is a popular one, which I almost bought recently too. There are still some regular websites selling Dr. Pens to home users, plus Temu is still selling now. If it were me, I would go for that one and pick up some M8 cartridges.

[@alexanderSnilsson]

@@LifeDIY Thank you for your advice! Just about to order, thinking I should stock up a lot. Not sure if I should go for the 11-pin or 16-pin - what's your recomendation? :)

[@lovingit1538]

This is clearly not a Medical device

[@nickinic221]

Thank you for keeping us up to date on this. I’m in several skincare Facebook groups and no one is talking about this or if they are, no one seems to know what’s actually happening. I’ve only just started getting some great results from MN and the thought of having to stop…well I panicked! I have an order through Alibaba, but I haven’t received a confirmation. Thanks for the Temu tip, I just ordered from there as well. Do you think they will do this to other pens, such as the Derminator 2?

[@LifeDIY]

No problem at all. That's great you were able to purchase from Alibaba too! I think they will try to do this with the Derminator 2 as well. I think that company is not based in the U.S. though. If anything, I would assume they'll be able to continue selling, but not to the U.S. eventually. I don't know for sure though. It's really hard to know until the FDA makes some announcement. This is really frustrating because when the FDA tries to do this with supplements - they are faced with great opposition by lobbyists and the supplement companies. Many supplement companies have come together to fight the FDA on their current attempt to ban the supplement NMN, investing a lot of money for legal assistance. Unfortunately, in the case of these devices, there’s little chance of similar pushback, since most are sold directly to consumers or by companies based in China, and they don’t have the same level of industry support to challenge the FDA.

[@thedivinefeminine1821]

Are we all just going to obey? Lol I'm not. There's always a way when there's a will.

[@KantiUniverse]

I have the dr. pen model A6s, I heard that the cartridges of the model M8 are compatible with the model I have. Could you please confirm if this information is correct?

[@anitamiko9975]

Oh wow, this is so strange. There must be so much lurking under this that we don’t know. I’m not too panicked because I’ve been looking at moving over to the Derminator. So this is just rationalization for making a new purchase. Have you tried that one?

[@LifeDIY]

I looked into it many years ago and found some pretty negative reviews about the owner and some people having issues with him/her. It made me concerned enough to not buy it back then. Hopefully that's no longer an issue. I'm glad to hear JavaZombie loves her. :)

[@anastasiazazulina6111]

Do you think something like that can happen in Europe?

[@Klute1977]

Quite often the EU and the US has different rules on things for example the EU has over 100 fillers that are ok to us while in the US there are or were only 22 that are legally allowed to be used. The UK for example also has quite different rules on injectables in that pretty much anyone can do a short course and then set themselves us as an injector of things like filler and botox while in the US only licensed and trained medical professionals can provide injections. In the US anyone can buy TCA peels to do at home but its illegal in the EU/UK for home use at least. It's all different.

[@anastasiazazulina6111]

@@Klute1977thanks! Hope it won’t change in Europe!

[@dailyd2790]

The scary thing with Temu is you can return. How do you know cartridges aren’t being used and returned?

[@LifeDIY]

In my experience, whenever I try to return something - Temu just gives me my money back and tells me to keep the item. It's not really worth it to send it back to them, it seems. So that's reassuring. Each needle cartrdige is wrapped individually. Even if someone returns their pack of cartridges, I would assume they wouldn't send back an open used needle cartridge - probably just the rest of the cartridges that are individually wrapped. But, even with saying that, it seems Temu isn't interested in getting items returned back as they often just give you cash to keep it. For me, I am not worried about it.

[@LindaQueLeenda]

Hope this doesn’t make my esthetician lose access to the cartridges bc I love getting microneedling done with her!!

[@annnemesh]

Thanks I had no idea this was happening. Is the same thing happening with rollers as well?

[@LifeDIY]

I think most rollers will still be available, especially if they are 0.25mm or lower in depth. I am not sure if Amazon is still allowing vendors to sell them though.

[@Ronfosh]

It seems anything 0.3mm and below can be sold without a prescription? Can dr pen make a new pen with a max depth of 0.3mm to then sell for at home use?

[@LifeDIY]

Hmmm... I think they are allowing all the pens to be sold still, but you're right they only allow nano needles to be used by at-home users (I think it might be 0.25mm).

[@1StarrySkies1]

Thank you! Yeah I like the 12 pin cartridges myself. Now I know why!

[@LifeDIY]

No problem! The 12 pin cartridges are the ones I used for most of my treatments too.

[@sarato9]

What about those that are licensed like an Esthetician? Would they be able to get the Pens still? Do you recommend buying from Dr.Pen?

[@efolinsky]

Even aestheticians are having trouble getting replacement needles (source my best friend is a licensed medical aesthetician)

[@antoniamakridakis1289]

Does anyone know if this will affect derma stampers?

[@LifeDIY]

I don't think it should because I think most of them are 0.25mm or shorter and those are fine to use.

[@_Hello_4444]

How can I still get a Dr. Pen?? Does it have to be a Dr. Pen specifically, or do you like other options too?

[@elinope4745]

I wanted the small rollers with short needles, 0.25mm and smaller. I don't want them to pierce the skin, only to trigger the reflexive regrowth.

[@LifeDIY]

@@elinope4745 Rollers can be really effective too. I have some 0.25mm rollers.

[@tishmfey]

Research shows you need .5 for that

[@elinope4745]

@@tishmfey some maybe, I have seen discussions on research that showed measurable improvement from as little as 0.15mm. Research will continue, no research is ever final.

[@liviq]

It’s end of November 2024, I’m in Europe and Amazon sells micro needling pens and cartridges

[@LifeDIY]

Thanks for sharing this!

[@lovingit1538]

What about the rollers ?

[@LifeDIY]

I don't know what will happen with the rollers, but maybe they'll be ok to use - especially if they're under 0.25 mm.

[@_Hello_4444]

Could we just buy from outside the US? Like from Canada or Uk?

[@annikaknoche6362]

What about dermarollers? You living in the US have Gin Amber’s dermarollers with real individual needles. She has great tutorials on KZbin too.

[@tishmfey]

Is anyone selling .50mm needles? All the ones on TEMU have only .25 mm

[@nopenothing1]

I've been trying to figure this out too.

[@tishmfey]

@@nopenothing1 I ordered the .25 for my Doctor pen A1. They look exactly the same as what I had before and you just change the depth setting on the pen and the needles will lengthen. When I get them, I'll comment again and let you know.

[@LifeDIY]

For the Dr. Pen cartridges, it looks like the sellers are only stating 0.25mm to make it look like they are selling nano safe cartridges. But, it's just not true. They're normal cartridges.

[@tishmfey]

@@LifeDIY that's what I assumed. Thanks.

[@hannahm.9881]

Did the M8 needles fit the A6S? 😢

[@LifeDIY]

@@hannahm.9881 yes! They fit perfectly.

[@ainakunigelyte]

I get them from Aliexpress and they are the same

[@LifeDIY]

Thanks for sharing this. What country are you from? When I search on Aliexpress, it doesn't show me any pens or cartridges, only some derma rollers.

[@richardm239]

JUST ANOTHER GLAIRING EXAMPLE ABOUT WHO`S INTERESTS ARE BEING SEVERED BY THESE ENTITIES ,HUM IS IT THE HEALTH AND WELFAIR OF JOE PUBLIC OR THE PROFIT MARGINS OF THE MEDICAL PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX GEE I WONDER !!!!!!

[@Keepreal83]

Thanks for this video I was going to buy from elsewhere but then I saw temu mentioned and I will have my 1 st machine and pens soon 😂

[@saramartin2204]

I had no idea that all this was going on . I seen they stopped selling on Amazon and i wanted to buy a M8 Dr. Pen. So i went to Dr Pen site or maybe not the actual site!? The pen isn't here yet its coming from China is this going to be a fake pen? Anyone know?? Thanks for videos!!!

[@LifeDIY]

There are so many sites claiming to be the actual Dr. Pen site and there's no official Dr. Pen site. It's hard to explain but there is one main manufacturer of the pens. It appears there are numerous manufacturers of the cartridges, though it's hard to know for sure. I have a lot more details about it here: lifeanddiy.com/is-at-home-microneedling-being-banned-latest-on-the-fda-review-options/. Some of the Dr. Pen resellers are no longer selling cartridges above 0.25mm (nano) to the public and require medication professionals only to purchase it. It looks like Amazon is now allowing pens for sale but not the non-nano cartridges.

[@irhapsody2010]

The link didn't work.

[@michaelgo984]

Do you still use rogaine?

[@LifeDIY]

No, I took a break to do a second experiment, to see if my hair would fall out when stopping. So I stopped 6 mos. ago. I need to do an update video on it asap.

[@michaelgo984]

@@LifeDIY You look beautiful as always and I haven't seen a difference in you, but have you personally noticed any collagen issues while on minoxidil?

[@aleksshay]

Do you have any links for Temu m8 cartridges that come longer than 0.25?

[@LifeDIY]

The companies selling on there are selling normal microneedling cartridges that you use with your Dr. Pen (on the pen you control the depth). They are not actually 0.25mm long - they're just saying that to try to avoid any trouble with the FDA. I hope that helps!

[@tlinder12]

MNM, really? I take that supplement. OH NO!

[@cefanie]

You do know that Temu products have heavy metals in them??? 😮😮😮

[@lovingit1538]

It's not banned as of yet

[@LifeDIY]

Very true! So glad it's not.

[@Fairbanks84]

do you do botox as well?

[@LifeDIY]

Nope! I have never used any of that or any fillers.

[@tammyjanis509]

💯💯💯💯💯💯👍

[@whow486]

Derma rollers also disappeared from Amazon! wtf! fcking Chinese!

[@chuck22taylor]

Thanks for info!

[@LifeDIY]

No problem!