LIFT 33 VS ALPHA X 33 | WHO WINS BOW OF 2024? | HOYT VS MATHEWS | HAXEN HUNT |

[@jasonjohn1978]

I just shot a few of the new bows last week (PSE, Bowtech, Hoyt, Prime, and Mathews). And honestly, the Hoyt Alpha X 33 was the very first bow I eliminated out of the bunch. That grip is horrendous. And surprisingly, I enjoyed shooting the grip on the Mathews Lift. In the past, I haven’t been a fan of Mathews stock grips. All of the new bows are so good, you can’t really go wrong. I feel like I could shoot all of them well. I’ve shot PSE the last 3 years, and this is the first year I was impressed enough with another company’s bow to switch. I ended up going with the Lift 33” and so far I’m extremely happy with my decision. Only time will tell though how I really feel about it once that new bow honeymoon is over.

[@jessebutler841]

I've also shot both of these bows. I also thought the draw was nicer on the Mathews. I liked the grip better on the hoyt. Both had super solid back walls. You really can't go wrong with either of these bows. Surprisingly to me, because I traditionally lean towards Hoyt, if I had bought a bow that day, I would have picked the mathews. The weight difference between them was very noticeable, and once you added all your accessories, I felt that the mathews would be spot on over all weight and stability.

[@RemedyTalon]

I shot both and think you are dead on. I went home with the LIFT 33

[@prestonweatherby314]

Same I thought I was gonna get alpha X and ended up picking up the Lift 33 with 30 inch draw the 33 draw was silky smooth nice back wall and was a lot lighter and definitely quieter and that won me over

[@Volmaan]

Shot both.Really like the drawcycle of the new Lift.Consistent from draw and then stops neatly against the backwall.Shot it with a 10" bridgelock stabilizer and it was very steady on full draw and accurate at distance from the first shot.Made decent speed and were well balanced.X33 had the better grip but in the past the Mathews grip made me shoot flyers which was not the case with the Lift.Went with the Lift over the X33 but saying that the Hoyt is also an excellent bow.

[@willc3384]

The Lift not settling might have something to do with shooting the heavier bow first

[@tsi-rocket4144]

The rounded edges on the back of a Mathew's grip make it impossible for me to get the bow settled in my hand. I almost sold my Mathew's over it but added the BeeReal grip and now the bow sets rock solid in my hand. He's a hoyt shooter as am I and I found it extremely difficult to switch from my hoyt and mathew's with the mathew's factory grip.

[@that_husseyboy4681]

Shot both and I thought the draw cycle was night and day. The LIFT had a smooth draw cycle until about 80% of the full draw it felt like it was harder for the cam to roll over. The Hoyt was smooth and consistent the whole way back. Lift was definitely lighter but after you add accessories it wouldn’t add up. The grip was also nicer on the Hoyt

[@OneidaKestrel1]

If you take off the stubby on the Hoyt shouldn’t you also take off the harmonic who-ha?

[@RemedyTalon]

valid point

[@reygarcia6627]

Exactly.. factory is factory, he should not be making it easier for Mathew’s top heavy bow to compare to the Hoyt with. That Hoyt is perfectly balanced. I have 4 and they don’t need stabs.. the phase 4 that I sold had front and back stabs and still didn’t compare. And the Finnish sucks the whole front of the Mathew’s didn’t have paint any more just the base coat and I only shot it 3 months. My Hoyt’s been in the woods get shot everyday and no chipped paint or anything, they’re built like tanks. That Mathew’s felt like cheap materials were used to make it idk. I know it ain’t no Hoyt though!!

[@RemedyTalon]

I shot both and bought the LIFT 33, It doesn't feel cheap at all and I thought it was better all around. I used to shoot a Hoyt @@reygarcia6627

[@derekmiller1036]

I do agree that it should be factory vs factory, but the harmonic dampened on the mathews is really just for vibration, not balance.

[@AA-mk4pu]

No, it’s not a stabilizer, Genius

[@johnjakobsen3969]

I would check poundage on mathews and make sure it’s correct in draw length. I did a side by side with 30.5 inch draw and the mathews was at 70.1lbs and the hoyt was at 70.3lbs. Mathews was faster by 1fps at 420 grains, they were the same at 470 grains and the mathews was 2fps faster at 520grains

[@HaxenHunt]

Interesting, cause both bows were checked at the 70# mark prior to filming.

[@Boatflipit]

@@HaxenHuntI’ve seen multiple reports that contradict each other. Some are saying the lift hasn’t been consistent, some are shooting quite a bit hotter than others

[@loganmross]

I did a chrono on mine when I got it with my 455 G arrow at 31 inches and 70 pounds and mine was around 295-300 range. Thought 30 inch with 400 Grain arrow was SUPER low

[@o.n.e.wayhunting]

I would like to see the mod on the Hoyt. I would believe looking at and watching the video again, that the Hoyt had a #2 mod at 29" (maxed draw for that mod). The Hoyts will absolutely perform remarkable at maxed draws on the mods. 30" on the #3 mod would be middle of it. Even watching the video, it appears the nock sits further forward with the Hoyt. The Lifts have been much more accurate in terms of actually being close, really close, to the mods draw length.

[@saransmith8773]

At 29 inches the Mathew's is 5 fps faster, check out korbins archery and podium archer,

[@Cparchery...]

Wonder what's up with that lift I have a lift 33 set at 29 inch 71lb with a 443 grail arrow im 287-289 with a 471 grain arrow im 281

[@Angel.Custodio]

I would love to see the Hoyt vs one Bowtech SS, or the Athens Axxis 33

[@joecrocker794]

I had a Hoyt hyperforce and switched over to a Mathews v3 a few years back thinking the Mathews would be way better (I bought it on sale online without trying one) and right away I noticed how the Hoyt held on target way better right out of the draw like it was locked in where the Mathews teetered back and forth and floated around taking a while to settle. I switched to the bee real grip and that helped a bit but never felt as comfortable and confident as I did with a Hoyt. Honestly not even close either in my opinion and the hyper force wasn’t even considered a great bow. The v3 was quieter and drew better but it gave me more target panic as it took a while to settle it. Where as with the Hoyt even if I had target panic the bow didn’t move. I’ve gotten used to the V3 but will be switching back to Hoyt I think for my next bow.

[@Jeffchizoate]

What Let offs was each bow setup with? If the Hoyt was at 75 and the Mathew’s at 85, that could account for a few fps. Both bows look awesome. I prefer their shorter ATA brothers, but these look great

[@michaelmangino9819]

Less let off= makes bow slower . More lettoff= longer draw by a tiny bit =more speed

[@Jeffchizoate]

@@michaelmangino9819 that’s not quite correct. While yes higher let off can slightly increase your draw length, it actually can decrease your speed, not increase it. Mathew’s actually claimed a 4fps(faster) difference on the lift if you go from 85 to 80% let off

[@adamkilgore2902]

If you currently shoot the RX7 Ultra is the balance and float any different than the Lift 33? They are just about the same weight, and I would bet the Lift is actually lighter if you scaled them both with the included stab from Hoyt. If you liked the Rx7 Ultra due to the easy pull and light weight what changed your feelings to lean towards the Alpha X?

[@reygarcia6627]

It’s probably hard to believe but the new Hoyt’s alpha X and rx8 are a lot smoother than the Rx7 and vtm. Idk how but they killed it again this year. I have a RX7 29, vtm34, z1s 33, and the AlphaX 33. I Had a phase4 n sold it a couple months later.. shot good but it couldn’t compare.

[@michaelmangino9819]

@@reygarcia6627 that's Awesome man. I'm love it! Hoyts are sick

[@adamredden2007]

​@reygarcia6627 I shot a VTM and Alpha at the same shop this week and yeah, night and day on the draw. The VTM was way too stiff at the beginning of the cycle for my liking.

[@RemedyTalon]

You need to verify the draw weight on both of those bows. Your video is the first that I've seen that showed the Alpha X faster than the LIFT.

[@jeffersoncroci9406]

I was going to say the same thing. Also, are they set up with the same let off?

[@tylerweeding5610]

Lift 33 isn't as fast as mathews is touting. Go chrono one, it's slower than the phase 4 yet they claim it faster.

[@RemedyTalon]

No bow is as fast as the manufacture claims, I've seen plenty of videos and non of them have the phase 4 faster than the LIFT.@@tylerweeding5610

[@matthewkyle6939]

@@tylerweeding5610 you have to understand what they are claiming. It can get up to what they are advertising, as in at 80 pounds super light arrow, low let off, highest draw length. The perfect and most advantageous set up can or has got up to that speed at least once in their lab. Kind of misleading yes but also not.

[@michaelcolthart4006]

@@tylerweeding5610I have and you are incorrect.

[@Jalexander61]

Nice review! Shot them both and ended up with the Alpha X 33,,, it settle better, to me… both great bows…

[@Fletchedchaos75]

The Lift draw cycle and grip was why I went with the Alpha X, love the bow and first Hoyt I've ever owned.

[@derekmiller1036]

The thumb knuckle cut out on the mathews isn't new, my v3x has it.

[@cozycare1655]

Both bows look solid. Anyone buying either or would be happy. However during the test, what was the let off of the Hoyt since you could adjust it from 75% to 85%? Like you said a lower let off will hold steadier. And it will shoot faster than a bow with a higher let off.

[@HaxenHunt]

It was set at the 85% letoff, so max letoff

[@cozycare1655]

@@HaxenHuntawesome speeds. Can only imagine how much the 75% let off would allow that bow to shoot.

[@kain4645]

My question is why would you make a decision on a bear bow? With A lighter bow you can add the weight at the end of stabilizers and then decide which get and stays on target more easily

[@pumaa7]

Nice video, you bring up some good points I haven’t seen before. I do wonder what let off they are set too. Saw another video with Matthew’s faster than the carbon Hoyt

[@HaxenHunt]

This one was set at 69.8… I did another one with them at 74# “cranked down” they typically come hot. So yeah on some new videos I’ll be dropping it goes a little faster

[@stevie9361]

Matthews had 6 axis milling so if course it's milled to perfection

[@MrHip76]

I went with the LIFT but it was a razor thin close call with the Alpha X. Wish I could have both!

[@g-man2228]

If Hoyt had shaved a few more ounces off it’d be a no brainer for me, but I like a lighter bow being in the West….Nice review!

[@randykinley1766]

Just invested in the Alpha X 33 myself

[@JMH682Hav]

That thumb wear in the alpha x is a legit pain in the ass .. I packed that area with mole skin and then used tennis racket grip tape to wrap the riser as a temp fix

[@marlonorsburn4345]

All I’m saying is it sucks to be left handed!! I wouldn’t know what either one feels like lol! Thanks for the review!!

[@g-man2228]

Lefties rule, but we’re always last getting new bows out…😄👊🏻🏹

[@krisessick4464]

Nice comparison. I have only seen the Mathews tested with the qad against other bows with a biscuit. Maybe that’s the reason others are seeing the Mathews faster.

[@african7498]

Interesting - other reviews showed Matthews to be a tad faster over a range of arrows

[@saransmith8773]

These speeds are all over the place! At 29 inches the Mathew's is faster than the hoyt!

[@stuartmorgan7946]

Why remove a factory part?

[@An0n_Ym0us_79]

Will you be getting more of the OG HAXEN Hunt hat back in stock?

[@HaxenHunt]

Unfortunately not for this giveaway, there should still be a couple hats left with the same patch!

[@paulcoffey4221]

your draw weights weren't checked. Lift is faster, compared them a bunch

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

He already said they were both 70 on a couple other comments.

[@AEKH31]

If you're taking the Hoyt stabilizer off then you should take the damper off the Mathews.

[@ImperiousArchery]

Thumb recess on the Mathews isn’t new, it’s been on their target bows and carried over to the hunting line.. just FYI

[@OneidaKestrel1]

Just knit picking back at the knit pickers 😊

[@MrChulaFreak]

I agree with your assessment also. I love the draw of the Lift and I love the weight, but for me, the 29.5 and 33 just floated a lot which I’m sure was due to the lack of weight. Now, I could easily add stabilizer weight, but then, what is the advantage of buying a lighter bow? I want to shoot the Hoyt as well before making a decision this year!

[@Boatflipit]

The advantage is you can add weight with stabilizers and still be the same weight as previous bows bare

[@joshfredrickson6224]

The advantage is you can place the weight where you want it. Not forced to add weight front or back

[@PoeOutdoors]

Lift for me and it wasn't close. I'm not typically a fan of Mathews draw cycles but the Lift 33 is $.

[@ashleysmith4191]

Add the pse 33 to the mix, if you can.

[@donovanstockton44]

I was waiting for you to do this comparison. Well worth the wait for this video. One thing that stuck out was the description of the Lift draw cycle. I’ve read that a lot of people describe it as stiff with an aggressive valley. I guess that’s why you do say it’s a subjective matter.

[@drtracyst]

shot them im going with the alpha x 30. love the grip and the balance on the hoyt and agree on the mathews being top heavy, and the draw cycle is smooooth. get what feels good to you .

[@Cooldibs]

I'm shocked that the hoyt was that much faster than the mathews! Did both bows pull the same poundage?

[@RemedyTalon]

Every other video I have seen had the LIFT faster than the Alpha X

[@HaxenHunt]

They were the same🤷🏼‍♂️

[@RemedyTalon]

Maybe it's a draw length thing. @@HaxenHunt

[@matthewkyle6939]

Something is fishy with the speed test, literally every other video I have watched has the lift faster. I would not think this speed test is valid.

[@HaxenHunt]

@matthewkyle6939 I’ve been getting this response, I am going to figure out what other testers are doing to get the speeds they are getting. Curious to the letoff mods people are using

[@RobertEva-l4z]

Can already say I don't like to cable system on the hoyt and I'm a hoyt guy. I hate cam lean and it's so hard to get rid of cam lean with a binary cam system.

[@matthewkyle6939]

Interesting speed comparison. Seems your The only person that has the Hoyt faster than the Mathew’s. What are you doing that everyone else is not?

[@HaxenHunt]

Apparently I’m not sure hahaha maybe it’s the mods on the Mathews? I believe I had 85% letoff on both Hoyt and mathews but maybe I need a less letoff

[@matthewkyle6939]

@@HaxenHunt yeah I don’t know every review I have watched have them close with Mathew’s a couple fps faster.

[@HaxenHunt]

I’m curious to the reasons why for sure! Next time I go into the shop I’m going to figure out why

[@shawndaniel2719]

They both look amazing!!!!!!!

[@coryderosier6328]

Vtm vs alpha x would be a good one to see.

[@bigz5262]

I thought the Mathews was faster. I wasn’t expecting that

[@OneidaKestrel1]

By the way, love the reviews!

[@michaelbushey2787]

heavier bow, will make it more stable. More work to move it around.

[@cottojn]

On that Matthew what is the noise when you drawing back? Sound horrible. Please explain

[@tonyviers-de9qi]

Did it feel like the drawlength on the luft was a bit longer even though set the same?

[@michaelmangino9819]

Nailed it! I thought the lift would be faster tbh, but I'm getting the ALPHA X 33 Tombstone. Why is it every Mathews looks the same? Hoyts look so much better also. The reason it settles so much better is bcuz the ata is longer on Hoyt makes it more accurate and forgiving. Hoyts always hold better also from design.

[@nathanhill4854]

Mathews look 10 times better, especially this one

[@brucehillbillybarthalow3786]

Great review

[@michaelrosa5410]

I held them both and the Mathews was the most top heavy bow I have ever recall holding. Nice bow, but I prefer the Hoyt for sure.

[@Journey_of_Abundance]

W Elite Ethos

[@GarrettOutdoors]

So many angry Mathews fan boys here lol

[@JohnLee-vj9lh]

Good video, But both bows are just as good as each other

[@HaxenHunt]

Appreciate it! And yes I agree!!

[@JohnLee-vj9lh]

@@HaxenHunt and what bow suits you the best regardless the brand

[@waynehumphrey8910]

You are the first one that tested the Matthews with a whisker biscuit 👍 every one else tested it with QAD first real test I was wondering why that was you just proved it

[@jons7e]

Similar problem to carbon bows, you're going to need to add back weight to get it to hold better. I wish you would check the draw weight on the bows because the Hoyt could be drawing 73# and the Mathews 70# making the speed comparison pointless

[@sinepari9160]

I love the honest, no brand loyalty reviews. It's time to trade in the old RX-4 turbo this year...

[@Oleman72]

Just found your channel love it. Thanks for put out good info

[@JayLovesElk]

Mathews noticeably quieter

[@anthonylubic]

Thanks for the honest review 👍🏻

[@TheDadHuntCo.]

Another great video! 🔥

[@dewetrobertson1752]

Hoyt all the way

[@casualobserver77]

APA Black Mamba Pro is the bow of the year face it.

[@mariacottle7553]

the pse evolve DS wins!

[@dallasweber7692]

Hoyt.

[@Joelfrickinjohnson]

Hey daddy ❤

[@thewayitisnow7724]

Definitely some deceiving going on here this is the only review I’ve seen where the Hoyt is faster.

[@HaxenHunt]

Really? I shot multiple mathews and they were all slower than each Hoyt.

[@HaxenHunt]

I’ll have to do it again and show me verifying each bows weight and it’s draw length. Nothing was done intentionally concerning the speeds. I had the shop set them up to 70# and 30” draw. I then simply shot it through the chrono and showed the results. Between the 2 lifts I shot, they both shot slower then the few Hoyt’s I shot. I’d be curious if most reviews have a hot mathews that comes from the factory roughly that 73#-75# which is typical. And mines a true 70#. But since there’s a few people mentioning this I am curious and would love to do it again and just quadruple verify each setting on each bow to see speeds again.

[@matthewkyle6939]

@@HaxenHunt most reviews show them physically checking the weight with a hand scale device. Some also show the read out of the chrono. I am not saying you’re purposely deceiving anyone. Maybe your shop is not doing a very good job setting them up for you, or maybe everyone else in the industry is lying. I don’t know, I just find it interesting that this is literally the only video I have seen that shows Hoyt being faster. In fact I do believe the Hoyt is slower than bowtech as well according to podium archer MFJJ, y’all should do a collaboration video to dispute the speed difference you guys are having. See who is right and who is wrong

[@johnnewcomb5162]

Great review, no need to prove anything, you shot them side by side at the same time. Let them go test the speed themselves at their bow shop. ​@@HaxenHunt

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

​@@matthewkyle6939 mfjj is never close to anyone else on his speeds either. Who cares? Shoot what you like. 99.99% of people even talking can't shoot good enough to tell the difference.

[@stephensheldon8396]

Hard to watch with the sound and the video being off

[@HaxenHunt]

Is it off? It’s on for me??

[@stephensheldon8396]

@HaxenHunt yes for me the 1st half is off and then comes back to normal after the chrono test

[@HaxenHunt]

@@stephensheldon8396 interesting… lol

[@stephensheldon8396]

@HaxenHunt yeah it's odd for sure lol. I think you should do a side by side of the bowtech Core SS and SR.

[@mohawksniper79]

Both are overpriced pse fortis 33 wins 👍🏼🤠

[@AA-mk4pu]

Dude you make Zero sense.. “when you shoot the Mathews by itself, it doesn’t float”. “When you shoot the Mathews with the Hoyt, the Mathews floats.” so is the Hoyt intimidating the Mathews bow and making it float? 🤷🏾