Light Bowgun vs Heavy Bowgun - WEAPON PLAYSTYLES #1 | MHW Iceborne

[@TheGameconomist]

Want to see that Cluster Bomb Build? Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5Olf6KtZ6uHn8U

[@klanemiddleton9337]

Is this nine inch nails in the background?

[@AokiZeto]

as a HH user there is no such thing as "support" or "healer" if u cant do somthing by urself while doing damage, why are you even here? so saying the LBG is better for "healer" build is a none-sense for me, ofc it is useful but everybody can have widerange and heal, any ligth weapon can do that and the HH can do that without using object. what does the LBG bring to the table the other HBG dont? does it exhaust or stun the monster better than the HBG? does his elemental damage provide good enough damage so it isnt to far behind the HBG? is the demon bullet and armor bullet giving a cumulative bonus with the other demon and armor consumable(even tho it is to hard to try and give it to an ally)? that the issue i have with the weapon so far, LBG have to much drawback just for being able to dodge, what redeem it really?

[@richardcheese4680]

Ah yes. The O button on the PlayStation controller.

[@TheGameconomist]

Lol sorry, I meant circle

[@cyco7229]

too late, from now on, it's the Oh! button :)

[@ninetyninenights6226]

Which O? The red soft O or the pink hard O?

[@davlar9714]

Don't worry guys, it's O k

[@DerrumBate]

@@ninetyninenights6226 what about the pointy green O

[@scoppergabon7477]

This video is very helpful and insightful. I find the bowguns really intimidating but I always have the itch to try them out! Thank you!

[@BonesofCreation]

hbg all day, I love raining hell on monster or shotgun to the face and love the claw mount attack.

[@ArthurLehmann]

I also love de shield skill of HBG

[@MisterExcelsior]

Nah LBG all day, I love running around fast and positional and applying status effects

[@shadowkhan422]

Something that you said. Rapid Fire DOESNT do more damage if you really want to max dps .Those 3 shots do roughly same damage as 2 shots without RF while taking more time .What rf does best is AMMO EFFICIENCY. You shoot slower but get more from each clip

[@ldeue4837]

I'm quite sure for elemental bowgun RF is hands down more damage.

[@Papiness]

3>2 means 'more' damage doesnt it lol But i get what u say, maybe no change in dps just total damage

[@deadlyapollo]

Lbg is more fun to play for me. Hbg I only use Zinogre for spread and Tobi for Pierce. Mobility is nice as iceborne monsters are pretty quick and I don't prefer to get hit at all instead of tanking every hit

[@MFD00MTR33]

I'm the same way. Lbg is by far my most use weapon, just wish it was balanced better.

[@namelessshadow3845]

I think LBG is my most used weapon... don't even have 200 uses for my other weapons but LBG... over 700 uses. I love playing healer as it helps, it really helps people in SOS situations. If people fire off an SOS they NORMALLY cannot handle the monster meaning their armor isn't up to snuff. So having a healer drop in and save the day is just an overall good thing. Also Friendship Charm lvl 5 helps greatly in this!

[@MFD00MTR33]

@@namelessshadow3845 i play kinda like that. I don't use wide range but bring all the buff and heal powders and use them throughout the hunt to keep the team healed up and doing more damage.

[@ProbablyEzra]

I've always been a HBG user, started in world and just immediately went for it and never looked back lol. Evade Extender made it so much nicer once I got to that point, before then the shield mod was my main survivability tool

[@bobnewkirk7003]

TGC I appreciate your "Stream of Consciousness" style in videos, however in this type of video I think it subtracts from what your trying to communicate. I believe having a little more structure would help organize the content and prevent you from having to double back (~22m and ~25m). This will be less of an issue with subsequent videos but in my mind one of the greatest strengths to the guns is the variability of play styles the ammo and ammo stats create; but here feel like it caused you to wander. I really like the summary you provide at ~10m for the LBG, and wished the whole video was in that format: with you explaining why and doing your demonstrations, following the outline you present in the summary. I did enjoy the video and think it presented a lot of really good content and look forward to the next 6. Keep up the great work, you are my favorite resource for MHW content that's not geared to speed runners. :D

[@TheGameconomist]

The stream of conciousness allows me to share my thoughts very quickly, and Ive found that to be a really enjoyable way to talk about the game. Sometimes I write long scritps and do heavy editing that can take like 8 to 16 hours, but over time Ive learned this sucks the fun out of talking about the game (for me). So Im letting it happen more naturally in this video. I can understand if you wanted more production quality though.

[@kragwathehuge7134]

What a beautiful interaction of constructive criticism! I wish every comment was from you

[@bobnewkirk7003]

@@TheGameconomistThank you for taking the time to reply to me. I only offer this critique as a means of feedback to you, to share my thoughts as a viewer. I understand and appreciate the work that goes into the production and polish that goes into your videos, especially considering the amount of content you produce, and am very thankful that you are willing to continue doing it. From what I have gathered from your content, it is true to your personality to do a more "relational" type of video where you engage with your viewers and share your own experience; which I personally enjoy as a break from a lot of the other "Best..." videos pervasive on KZbin. Perhaps it is just semantics, but I felt a disconnect between my expectations of a "Review" type video and the more fluid structure of the content you provide here. Again, I appreciate what you share, and feel like you are one of, if not the, most approachable content creator in this space, i just wanted to offer some feedback other than video metrics. :D

[@idiosyncrasy7703]

@@bobnewkirk7003 geez you two, get a room already. Jokes aside, what a wonderful thread. From the presentation of the criticism itself to how the creator responded, both oozing in politeness and class. Hope everyone takes a page from you two, be it content creator or a viewer.

[@tonpalacios2964]

World was my first time playing and I fell in love with the HBG from the start. Matter of fact the first HBG I crafted was the shattercryst, and it carried me all the way through to MR. Shoot I still use it as my go to after upgrading it to the Franz Glacia. Yes the CCII is better, but the fact that I get pierce 1,2,3, flaming and ice, cluster 1 and 2, sticky and slicing I feel ots a pretty easy to craft and generally all around great weapon. Love your videos and they really did help me get through the World and IceBourne

[@AysarAburrub]

i wouldnt call cluster bombs very good anymore, they're ok, but they really gimped that play style with the nerfs to the projectile travel time and reducing bomb berry capacity to 5 instead of 10.

[@mechathunandthecultofdeath4958]

I love both -- I'm a status gunner from WAY back in Tri, so building artillery and KO is my go to always. Wyvern Fire was finally made viable in MHW also, and that's a fun as hell way to live, though stick shots on both with the lowest possible recoil is my bread and butter.

[@Papiness]

Theoretically, their playstyle determines their output where Lbg has more mobility to evade thus dishing out damage in intervals between attacks while Hbg has big ammo reserves and long animations meaning they rely on doubling down on massive damage in a short period to match dps or risk getting hit (needing more street smarts of knowing monsters) Means Lbg works with everyone really but usually works better with the same playstyles evaders who can handle themselves (LS, SnS, Bow, IG, DB, GL, CB) HBG works better with disablers or tanks to draw out aggro (unless ur the tank but another tank is also good)-- Lance, Hammer, HH, SnS, CB And usually Lbg shines on Elemental ammo while Hbg works best with the niche Spread or Pierce

[@Gaspingindeath]

I love the nine inch nails piano cover. Great vid as always!

[@bbass2]

And Radiohead, it makes a great mix

[@Casrlos47]

Great video, the content is awesome and you have a very cool tone of voice, very chill. Congrats and keep up the good work.

[@kragwathehuge7134]

Was slicing shot given more ammo in reserve? They nerfed it a little too much I thought

[@cindyland3385]

You didn't do the gotchya so I'll do it for you... GOTCHA!!!

[@MrAddummm]

14:45 i thought you can move one of the sticks up or down to focus it for you (so you get the critical spot) instead of you having to actually move your character

[@ProbablyEzra]

Afaik, just like the normal ranges, its purely based on how far away you are from the target. So you can get in or out of the range by aiming for a further or nearer part of the monster

[@imahaloguy]

HH and Hammer? Lance and GL? DB and SnS? How are you doing these comparisons?

[@TheGameconomist]

We'll see!

[@theshadowking3198]

Jyra line is prob the most diverse LBG you have pierce spread every aliment and a few elemental ammos

[@JM64]

You should do more of these, Say, Hammer v Great Sword, Bow v Dual blades, Switch Axe v Charge blade, S/s v Hunting horn

[@JM64]

Insect glaive and gun lance don't seem to share much if any play style.

[@Clogmonger]

@@JM64 why bow v dual blades an SS v HH? I'd think LS v GS, Hammer v HH, and SS v DB, no?

[@davidwalkerx1]

The music in the back ground, is it NIN?

[@Earthquake_D]

Next time you're talking about the other weapon include some footage of it, for example the movement or sheathing on the HBG, would be nice to see (even though I know it)

[@mushi7434]

I like using the heavy sword over the light sword.

[@TheMedPor]

I think you forgot to mention the Wyvernsnipe mode where it makes it a sticky-like ammo, which i kinda like

[@DGneoseeker1]

I actually dislike this. I'd prefer if it did massive damage on impact, not a sticky shot. That way, it would benefit from a lot more skills and also the special scope. The special scope ironically doesn't seem to work with the actual wyvernsnipe shots despite clearly being intended for sniping.

[@DeathByRoaches]

Helpful vids as always! Thanks 🙏🏼

[@Akiramesu]

this is an asmr video, thanks!

[@glengatt3941]

And for slicing the silver rath lbg is very good the jho lbg have a bit more raw not much but that negative affinity puts it way behind the silver rath lbg tryd them both on maniel for some reason namiel is very weak to slicing ammo

[@zeruszephuros5419]

Since MHP3rd, MH4G, MHXX, and till MHW Iceborne... I still have yet to understand the LBG to use it properly in a hunt :/ (never used to hunt it successfully......) Unlike the HBG, one of my mains xD

[@shadowkhan422]

Same thing .You just strafe instead of blocking .(I use both of them )

[@wet_p8603]

I'm wanting to play one of the bowguns but won't I have to like use the botanical lab to make the things that make the ammo?

[@ElderWarden]

The thing is that you create between 4 - 10 shots per resource during ammo creation.

[@ldeue4837]

Just buy the ammo from provisions....it's cheap as hell.

[@xivilaikikira3768]

Any chance of a wyvernheart build ? I know this is a pretty nesh but I've found it quite effective in a fair few of my hunts while slow and basically requiring set up the near 5k dmg a clip is quite satisfying I've use just the raw dmg and the breaker II charm to almost instantly break monster parts I needed it's a nice set up ... But I just know it could be better

[@Arkrilok]

That Nine Inch Nails track at 11 mins. Nice.

[@glengatt3941]

And there is a good lbg good for normal ammo3 i forgotten the name of the gun but its good i watched a video she killed the golden rath in just over 4 min with it not bad 4 min

[@blackknightofmarma1892]

Saber's howl II

[@glengatt3941]

Now safi has a good lbg for rapid fire normal 2 i forgotten the name but it comes with a clip of 4 you can make that 8 so already goog but i ran of dragilites i cant find no one that's doing the siege for the last week

[@arthurshaw2497]

No,extreme behemoth is not a tough fight in master rank, the tank player can grab his targeting by simply using claw attack only once, behemoth deals negligible damage to a HBG tank with 3 shield mods and guard 5, the rest of us all used long shelling GL, we managed to finish the fight in less than 10mins on a first attempt. it’s the most relaxing fight in my life due to the targeting mechanics, the monster completely ignores all 3 of us GL players

[@damilkman2900]

Im level 45 and the first Gunlance i crafted was the Vaal Hazak Gunlance, i really liked it and i think that gunlances are underated in this game.

[@alexberube5269]

@@damilkman2900 they're less underrated and its more that most people don't like the way they play, the moveset is pretty linear and not as flashy as other weapons

[@damilkman2900]

@@alexberube5269 Lol it's been so long since I commented that. I still use gunlance and pretty much every other weapon except lance and I'm mr +400. I don't even remember my mr since I haven't played in a while.

[@_ElGoose_]

I returned after 5 years to hear the famous “ O” button once again.

[@darkcurry86]

Thank you very much Gameconomist! I m struggling with velk(story). Normally i m main lance, but this time I m trying HBG Tigrex howl with sticky ammo. Keep up your exceptional good work!

[@mwfcod0932]

Actually I used sleep ammo as soon the skull show up on the map to trap it 😁

[@sempergumby2341]

Tranq ammo

[@davidalexander7497]

You are the bobross of mhw

[@steeltiger8222]

Sorry to comment this here- psn is not working on mhw i" yet again for hours on end countless disconnections..anyone else having ps4 network issues?

[@trichkid1536]

Had that issue yesterday. Haven't been on today yet though.

[@AFansPerspective]

And the result is ... The CB is better :Handler:

[@glengatt3941]

Yep thas the one saber houl 2 its good for normal 3

[@AnteEdits]

Can we get your new LBG Support Build?

[@theshadowking3198]

My beo shooter has a laser on it which is so cool

[@tannermilo]

so how do you block with the hbg?

[@Clogmonger]

Have a shield mod on your gun, have your gun out and be facing the monster. The game does the rest, blocks for you.

[@sempergumby2341]

That's what I love about it. All you have to do is exist while facing the monster.

[@Ramotttholl]

What are you favorite weapons in iceborne?

[@DevilJhoMama]

Doesn't charge blade have a slower sheath time?

[@trixon2118]

Nope

[@DevilJhoMama]

@@trixon2118 yeah I checked and whilst in sword mode it takes slightly less than heavy bowgun but they're both about the same.

[@glengatt3941]

Piercing 2 is realy not bad on lbg and with the nightwing lbg you can pu up a build for pierc2 and sticky2 rapid fire im having a realy good time with it,it is a bit hard to fit all the skills you need artillery sulger for sticky and all the crits skills for the piercing2

[@Roadrunner-n9k]

👏👏 Weapon REVIEW!!!11!1!!!

[@theshadowking3198]

LBG SUPREMACY 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@WisecrackJax]

I personally find HBG to be boring as shit.

[@danielnelson4881]

Personally if I'm getting bored of farming with my main weapon, happens to be DB in Iceborne. I'm finding that busting out an HBG with some spread or piercing ammo, which is obviously absolutely NUTS damage, is the kind of mind numbing and quick kill weapon that I needed to break the monotony and boredom like in the guiding lands or something. Now I'm a lot newer than most people by FAR (in fact when you made this comment I hadn't even done my first quest for the better part of the year haha). So I don't have every single element of dual blade all the way upgraded and augmented for each and every element type or have some of the later game higher MR gear... So since I'm still grinding sometimes I just don't wanna go full on pew pew pew run run slash slash demon mode pew pew archdemon pew pew oh I killed the Azure Rathalos and now I'm hitting Odogaron with dual blades that do dragon damage so im literally only doing raw to him... Better go back to camp and switch my blades and gear out entirely so I can have the means to do decent damage to him! Etc etc etc over and over. Sometimes I don't want to set myself up for 5 to 10 mins (including fiddling time) in order to go hunt something... Sometimes I just want it to work.. and to do insane damage no matter what I'm fighting, intentional or spontaneously. I just wanna sit back and go pew. pew. pew. pew. reload. pew. pew. pew. pew. reload. Knockout. pew. pew. pew. pew. reload. flinched. pew. pew....... You get the point... Anyway, I wanna be able to mindlessly do that and have the monster be killed in no time at all even with my pathetic HBG skills. Easy as shit. Now when it comes to the above average monsters like elder dragons and zinogre and raging brachy and stuff.. Not confident enough in my HBG skills yet but I'm still sure I could do it... Either way, I save those for my DB: flying ninja beyblade let er rip demon roundslash bounce off ya face with an instant tenderize cash me outside how bow dat you gonna bring the demon mode out in me I been drinkin dash juice all GOD DAMN DAY. Sword to the face. I'm on the case. Beyblade down the monsters spine like its the location of a skill saw race.

[@zoltanjere]

I love your videos usually but with this one I felt like you were quite unprepared and were improvising a lot which came out bad this time. A little more preparation could help you prevent saying things twice and shorten the video length. Just as a window for improvement. Cheers.

[@xFiebsi]

lbg meh and hbg op . done saved you 30mins

[@KaiSchSp]

Hello stream people :p

[@estoylaroca]

I want to subscribe to the other dude's opinion, to put it bluntly, the lack of effort in editing / scripts, really puts a toll on the quality of the channel. I mean, these kinds of videos are pretty easy to format. It's a straight comparison, and *VISUAL* comparisons are key to maintain interest. Speaking about interest, it would really put off people to see that it's a 30 minute video, and it has no flow. They would literally have to comb through every part of the video to see what exactly they want to see. For example, the main thing people would want to know is which deals more damage. Yet I wouldn't even know where to look since I wouldn't know when you'd bring up the issue. Lastly, I just want to say that low effort videos, while "fun" to make, aren't "fun" to watch. And just to clarify, we don't really want 6m subs kind of quality video. We just want a video where we can understand what's going on, and what to look at. A 30 minute video that could've been compressed into 10, is 20 minutes not grinding for that attack jewel.

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