Light No Fire : The New Open World MMO From No Man's Sky Devs

[@DaveS1969]

bro it came out they have been working on this for 5 years and im thinking it may be out by next year

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

yeah they also said they wished they hadn't hyped NMS for 3 years prior to release so I think you are right

[@jathygamer8746]

"Come on baby, light no fire" - The Doors

[@shawnbyers6947]

- Not an MMO, think 16 to 32 player lobbies. Invite only and public instances. Maybe the globe is broken into server instances, so as you pass through a new zone (region of the planet and it's assigned server) you seamlessly trigger a new instance that can populate X amount of players. Like, if it's capped at 16 and you only have 8 in your party (invite only) but the world is set to a public instance, then as you leave Zone A (server) and enter into zone B (server) the game will locate other players occupying that geographical space and populate them in your world automatically. I think my theory is a good way to do it. Servers dedicated to geographical zones that can emulate the feeling of an Earth sized world appropriately populated, while managing server bandwidth. - Don't expect Bethesda/Bungie levels of spec and RPG elements, this is an indie studio after all. RPG-lite is spot on. - Examine NMS as an indicator of what to expect on a gameplay and narrarive level. - This is a GAAS type project. It will continue to be updated for years after launch with new content, community events and more. It may be light on content day one but it's an evolving game and HG know how to support their titles. - This will most likely be a competent survival game, with RPG-lite mechanics, a contained coop experience and driven by an intriguing narrative hook/mystery. - The game should also feature a discovery system just like NMS. However, because it's one shared world and the bandwidth would be insane, the system may be updated globally once a week. Only local discoveries are updated on the daily for yourself to see. Just some thoughts 🎉

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Love it and sounds reasonable

[@Lowgarr]

I have not been this hyped for a game in years, I really hope it delivers.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah! Fingers Crossed

[@Demane69]

This is the closest thing to how I thought a game like Asheron's Call would eventually strive to reach. Instead, mmorpgs turned into ever shrinking themeparks. I'm incredibly interested in learning more about their goals for this game.

[@timgatward5725]

Asherons call, my most favorite MMO ever:):)

[@dadsgaminginc621]

A lot of people are assuming it's going to be an mmo, and talking about it like it's a fact, not an assumption. The only things that are known about this game are what we have seen in the trailer, and hello games are the developer.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

I mentioned it as an assumption not a fact, and just mentioned what features I'd like it to have

[@boot-strapper]

even if it comes out in a bad state, as long as they eventually fix it I will be happy.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah, I just hope the mulitplayer aspects whatever they are, work well and the world doesn't feel boring : I expect bugs and issues with a project this massive in scope to be sure, and Hello Games has proven they support their games way into the future at no additional cost, and that's a big deal for something like this

[@Sunglare1]

What ot really needs is a kick ass procedural genrated quest system. I mean kick ass as not just giving you random task quest. Procedural genrated quest that actually sends you on adventures.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

So true!

[@EQOAnostalgia]

My guess is that it will feel very samey after a while. But it could be cool, who knows? Kinda gives me NMS mixed with Ark vibes.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah, they have the best procedural generation tech out there right now that has been proven with NMS, so they might be able to pull this off without that feeling of everything being the same : I think NMS as it exists today definitely pulls it off with infinite amounts of planets

[@Alexander-ix2jp]

Woot, look at those beautiful underwater worlds! That's how you do it! And look at all the details in overall flora and plantlife plus more. It looks colorful but not cartoony. In fact, it actually reminds me of eq2 where it's a mix of realism + high fantasy + colorful art palette with lots of details and realstic looking textures etc. They totally redeemed themselves with No Man's Sky, that is after faceplanting initially, so I'm curious to see what they can do with this new game. Keeping my eye on it!

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah agreed, it looks great and with that much diversity in the flora, we could see some cool stuff for sure

[@danielmartin5336]

bro that shirt looks awesome with the greenscreen. Oh and also this game seems interesting. Nice visuals for sure! I hope it's a real MMO

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah, fingers crossed!

[@GrandoReaper]

oh man i cant wait for this game

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah thanks for telling me about it, could be AMAZING

[@Peace_Dog]

I only have a few hundred hours in No Man's Sky but the game always impressed me (I bought it after many patches and content updates) so I am very excited to hear Hello Games is taking on a fantasy game. They have the skills and tools to pull this off.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

They sure do, this is going to be very interesting

[@demandred1957]

Pretty much my exact story. Was on sale on GoG, so i was like "why not? they seem to have finally delivered" and 700 hrs in 4 months later... So yeah. will be the first game I ever do the "all in" preorder on.

[@Plaximos]

No Mans Sky get's a lot of hate but where Hello Games started and where they are now with No Mans Sky is night and day. With that being said, with everything Hello Games has learned. Light No Fire is on a good path.

[@badwolfgaming78]

this is gonna be great. Procedural world, so will each world be different? I wonder how that is gonna work?

[@7DragonEyes7]

I think the world is initially procedural then hand crafted. This is nothing new every game now and for years have been procedurally created then designers shape it, to make it more interesting.

[@badwolfgaming78]

@@7DragonEyes7 yeah i'm excited about it. I am ready for a game I can just live in, build a little Inn, have people come and go. One of the reasons Ashes of Creation looks good to me as well.

[@7DragonEyes7]

@@badwolfgaming78 After playing WoW and how toxic the community is. I have no hope in AoC. I hope you find your fun, but I know AoC isn't a game for me.

[@zenwilds2911]

The exciting thing for me is that No Man's Sky can be played in VR. I'd love to play this game in VR.

[@gamingtonight1526]

Steam page says solo and co-op. So it won't be an MMO. Think of the server side, and how No Man's Sky allowed players to get together, how you could invite other players or not, with a game that could totally be played solo! It's an RPG. It will have traders to sell to/buy from. You won't need auctions! Also, "after a few 100 hours of gameplay" who cares if it THEN becomes repetitive?!

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

The point is that is remains playable for a ridiculous amount of time : I'd like to see it have a lifespan that puts Skyrim to shame

[@Mr.Mister1974]

Man next 5 years a lot of fun games coming out. I can't wait to start playing from the ground up.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Very true, finally a future that looks exciting, feels like it's been too long

[@The_Cyber_Nomad]

If Starfield taught me anything, it is that a small handcrafted world is far more interesting than a giant soulless procedurally generated abyss.

[@The_Cyber_Nomad]

Could be cool though.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah Bethesda didn't do that great of a job, NMS did it much better, and this game using the same tech

[@fethdor]

We will have to wait and see how often actual interesting things are. Empty worlds do suck. I recall seeing a video talking about travel distance to points of interest and how Starfields were to far apart compared to the witcher 3.

[@demris15]

Subnautica proved this for sure 😂

[@AretaicGames]

The problem with procedural generation in Starfield is that, instead of being one giant sandbox to kick around in, it was an endless series of tiny sandboxes separated by loading screens. It just doesn't work as a sandbox, and it actually detracts from what is already (to my taste) an entirely lackluster RPG. What I find delightful about NMS is precisely that it really works as a sandbox, complementing what story and backstory the developers have introduced.

[@Jelly_Tots]

So tempted to buy NMS until this releases, cant find a space exploration that looks as nice as NMS... was tempted by Starfield but I see NMS has a 50% off sale atm on Steam.

[@mroptimism]

I'm looking forward to it! I thoroughly enjoyed flying through the galaxy as a funky space frog in NMS. I would love an rpg in the same vein!

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Same here!

[@DelbertStinkfester]

This game trailer gave me all of the feels...Also I'm hoping that I can hunt those rabbits and collect their pelts

[@jaredwoodhouse1263]

Do you ever do a "follow-up" video where you read the comments you asked for in the end of your videos? - "What you hope Light No Fire is/will become?" - It would be interesting to hear what your viewers think. Good, Bad, Mixed, Hungry for Taco Bell?

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah that's not a bad idea

[@mikemcginnis1288]

I'll just say flying mounts in open worlds , is the biggest mistake cause it makes the world so much smaller.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

I think in this case where the world is the size of the actual physical earth it might be okay

[@ewige2]

I tought the same, but if the map is really big like earth 1 to 1, you will be happy having a flying mount, some would even want to have a teleport. But I’m still on your side, the more realistic the bigger the map the longer I can explore the better it is.

[@jayjayhooksch1]

Even if they had airplanes in the game, you'd never be able to explore the entire map, don't worry about flying mounts which are not going to be near the speed of airplanes.

[@Yuki_Ika7]

if there will be an economy in the game i want to make a rest stop/inn with beds, food, possibly a shop, etc.

[@jaredwoodhouse1263]

Sounds like a game I will try!

[@YksiSuomalainen]

Sounds extremely promising.

[@orsikbattlefate3976]

Sounds ambitious, I'll keep my eye on it, but I want to see what exactly is the goal of the game.

[@badwolfgaming78]

I think just to live in the world.

[@orsikbattlefate3976]

Well I mean I get that, but I mean like what else, dungeons? Tradeskills?

[@badwolfgaming78]

@@orsikbattlefate3976 well looking at the way NMS does crafting, I feel like tradeskills will be in. Dungeons will be great. I would love it if no 2 worlds are the same, so people cannot spoil your world for you. A way to interact with the populace of the world you start on would be neat. There's so many things they can do with this, that I'm excited

[@orsikbattlefate3976]

@@badwolfgaming78 oh don't get me wrong I'm excited, I just want to see their vision in the game and like it it going to be like ARK, or an MMO, something like that, wasn't trying to sound cynical, was just saying it sounded ambitious

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah it's definitely ambitious, I'm currently thinking procedural world as in : for a world that massive in size to be possible to be developed : Much how NMS was procedurally built : but we share that procedurally generated world in a way akin to NMS, so if we both go to the exact same location, it is what it is. But yeah, big hand crafted dungeons they can add over time or even a bit of tech to make it easier for them to procedurally create 100s of dungeons at a time across the vast size of the world. Whatever they end up doing, I'm interested

[@dribrom]

Player driven economies are in theory exiting but in reality they always are a bad idea in the long run. I been around player driven economies sense the early 90's in different MUD and later in MMOs like EQ, SWG and WoW etc. They all turn the game into shit as players try to exploit and cheat.

[@HallyVee]

I'm sold on their rep and the world. Combat a big if still but they did do controller support super solidly. Just not keen on Dark Souls Yet Again.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

I doubt it will be like Dark Souls, but we will find out, NMS works great on controller so they got some skill

[@efxnews4776]

I don't think folks trully understand what Hello Games is doing here... a planet size Earth means nothing, there is already games with this size, what trully matters in LNF is that you could actually circunavigate the world, you can start to move in one direction and ended up where you started. Thats the true beuaty of LNF, but if you doubt about that, all you have to do is play No Man's Sky and try to circunavigate a planet there, it is totally doable, if you do it with you ship, the time it will take would depend on the altitude, but usually would take a couple of minutes to at least an hour. But if you go on foot it would depend on the planet size and how distracted you are, the first guy who did take had taken two weeks to do it, the last take 25 hours... so as you can see, the worlds were pretty massive on their own in NMS.

[@Q-Bandito]

I've heard that background music while waiting on hold to speak to my banker.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

KZbin music?

[@chadsmith66]

My attention has been grabbed

[@nocti6232]

I'm wondering how fast travel will work. There will have to be something of a waygate system or there would be some parts of the world you could not conceivably reach. On that note how can friends ensure they can play near each other?

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah with a game this big I'm sure there are ways to get to each other

[@efxnews4776]

I don't think there would be parts of the world you couldn't conceivably reach, one thing about NMS is that you can go anywhere in the world, from deep oceans to the highest mountains, in NMS, and belive me, i went to a mountaneus planet once in NMS, and some of theso mountains take me hours to climb on foot, the game most likely will have some form of voxel terrain like NMS has...so there's that too...

[@boot-strapper]

its likely 1 world for all players

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

That's exactly what I think

[@jayjayhooksch1]

I'm hoping, but I doubt it; imagine the server requires to run a game with that many players populating the same map. A bit too ambitious for this generation I think.

[@original1537]

lol this is a single player and Co-op game not an mmo.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

It doesn't take more than a few seconds to find the words "find other players out in the world" on a search for this game, I'm not that crazy, a ton of people are calling this an MMO or MMO Lite based on the information we have so far, so don't be so fast to draw conclusions

[@yautjarelven4373]

I'm keeping my hype in check. I'll like this game if it is not a mile wide and an inch deep. It'll need challenging/dangerous things to do solo or with others, that would help player progression when conquered. Furthermore, the content cannot fall victim to the procedural generation issue of being too repetitive.

[@ghozt4202]

Hello games released NMS and it was complete trash at first and instead of giving up they kept working on the game. NMS is actually an excellent game at this point and i think this game will be really good.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yup, that's what I said in the video and agree with

[@demris15]

I don’t know if I would want a game that big

[@galisleo8737]

I am skeptical about how much "unique" creatures and places will be. Not to diss the developers but in a game as big as they want to make, it is impossible to have all the creature types made unique. We WILL see the same creatures and NPCs, the question is how often.

[@TheKrinkled1]

I have the platinum trophy for NMS, i will play the crap out of this too, lol

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

ooo! Nice!

[@arelydewaegeneer_Elicere]

Yes, and this in the PSVR2 please!

[@Justin-v9r]

And apocalyptic levels of duping.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah lol we don't want that

[@fethdor]

After buyint No mans sky on day 1 and gettinf burned and playint Starfield, I'm a little shy about open world procedurally generated games. I will wait and see on this 1.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Have you went back and played NMS today? It's absolutely amazing now

[@jlstruyde]

Light no fire reminds me of the unreleased ps4 game WiLD.

[@patrickbuckley7259]

Look's like they are going for a Redwall feel for the races. Which is a bit different than the standard Tolkien knockoff plus one or two unique races, not that I mind either. But I wounder if that will help or hender the game. Some people like the familier, other's the novel, and then their will be the furry accusations, even though these critters are far too realistic to fit into that "aesthetic."

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

Yeah I don't mind it either, I'm more of a classic Tolkien kinda guy, but I can appreciate what they got going on here, looks cool to me

[@jaekastpropertiesllc4886]

Finally, I found a reason to leave Guild Wars 2. 😊❤

[@mareck6946]

AI and Procedural are two completelly different things.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

depends on the context : it is in fact known that they've built one of the better procedural generation tools out there since we have NMS and it's pretty well done : all I stated about AI in this entire video was a question : could they use AI in this game to take it further

[@mareck6946]

@@TheNathanNAPALMdef trippier! :p unless its npc interactions.

[@clethcriss6258]

You missed the "Massively" part of the Massively Multiplayer Online. You know. The MMO you put in the title. LNF won't be an MMO as No Man's Sky is neither an MMO.

[@jozztv1661]

The Lies of No Fire that's what it should be called

[@ahabwolf7580]

The game looks beautiful but millions of procedurally generated doodads are just going to feel all the same after you've seen 5 or 10 of them. Having lots of stuff doesn't make a game good. And just like with NMS at launch, there doesn't appear to be any evidence of an engaging game loop here. If the narrative experience of NMS is anything to go by, I wouldn't expect much in that department either.

[@JenoFletter]

If a sub is required to use features after you have purchased the game already than I will pass no matter how good the game is. Now if the game only cost 15 - 20 dollars than maybe a sub is ok.

[@andrewshandle]

This most definitely is NOT an MMO, they have been very clear that it's a single player gave that can do some online co-op.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

still hoping for some MMO Lite options as I stated in the video

[@lowriser1170]

any eta on release?

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

We don't know, but they did say they wish they hadn't announced No Man's Sky (their last game) so early (3 years from announcement to release) so I think we can assume it's coming out in about a year or less

[@seudonak]

If they're claiming that the game world size is the size of the Earth, and considering that there are roughly 7 billion people on earth, and considering that 70% of Earth is uninhabited, they would need roughly 22 billion players to inhabit this world for it to be like an MMO. That is WAY beyond the human population currently. So this idea is pretty silly at its core.

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

I don't think it's meant to be like that, it's meant to be that massive, it's No Man's Sky but on one planet : just absurd amounts of exploration and discoveries : and you can do it with friends, and sometimes run into a player

[@paybacksuper3670]

Is not mmo

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

did you watch the video?

[@madman026]

lol so its going to fail :) anything with this scope always fails its going to have a big world with nothing to do it in people will get bored and stop playing

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

You do realize they’ve already done something of a larger scope and it’s still extremely popular and successful right?

[@madman026]

@@TheNathanNAPALM lol i have played no mans sky bro and yes after about four months the game became just more and more of the same crap go here scan this do that repeat I guess that's every game like this I suppose but still fact remains large scale doesn't = fun

[@TheNathanNAPALM]

@madman026 yeah okay may not be for you, that doesn’t mean it “fails”

[@madman026]

@@TheNathanNAPALM you will have your diehards:) even in steam right now 7k people are on right no playing no mans sky but its not like they can keep a population over 40k playing at all times