LIGHTFALL RETROSPECTIVE - The Good, The Bad, and The Veil | Destiny 2

[@Toadsmoothie]

Had to re-upload due to a render issue that caused graphics to not appear when they should. It's fixed now, I hope ya'll enjoy and thanks for your patience!

[@crumblebuggle]

Did you say nimbus's right pronouns this time or is it just the exotic renders fixed? Edit: Toadsmoothie did not say Nimbus's right pronouns :(

[@dylrymple4030]

Love your videos!

[@provaricus627]

@@crumblebuggleOh no! Anyway.

[@idarkstarx6939]

I was wondering what was going on lol.

[@justbubbly9785]

When videos get re-uploaded does it mess up the viewership stuff if you watched it before the re-upload? If so I’m goin to watch it again for the algorithm but i didn’t know if that was a thing. Can anyone clarify?

[@hughmungo4798]

15:33 “Maybe one day we’ll see Failsafe return” Well boy howdy do I have some news for you! 😂

[@Lio_Harter]

underrated comment?

[@Axolochi828]

Toadsmoothie is feeding us well this week

[@Vex1001]

Yummy

[@Supp3r_n0va]

5 course plus appetizers

[@cyndaquil_redrix186]

If you don't mind, @axolochi828 what are you going for in college?😊

[@cyndrerivari]

Hi lochi

[@ardour1587]

Useless vid about stupid story recap and explanatinos about how strand works. After a year its been relised. 99% of watered down info

[@Gearhead221]

26:05 Well, you called it.

[@hansmorris4896]

The mad lad actually did call it, that’s amazing

[@jordanread5829]

There are some lore reasons as to why at least some of the pyramid ships were empty. One could view Europa's as being either ours or Eramis' depending on who won between us. It is clear from Shadowkeep that The Witness was trying to groom us into becoming a disciple. Even tempting us with Statis to do so. However we had Elise to act as the 'angel on our shoulder'. So while we gladly took statis, we refused to follow The Witness. The lunar pyramid of course was Nerazecs that crashed into the moon during the Collapse. And Nezzy was killed by Savathun. As for the one that was on Io, idk. But even Rhulks pyramid seemed empty outside of the Scorn and Taken he summoned. Like these ships could house an entire city, you can look out from anywhere in Rhulks pyramid and see that.

[@ajeenius7437]

I don't know if this is true, but based on the cutscene where the Witness was formed, it kinda looks like the pyramids are part of the architecture. So I kinda always assumed the vessels were part of that civilization before it merged. That kinda explains why it looks like a city inside if the people actually lived there or did so if they were spacefaring too. Again, I have no idea if this is true at all. It's just kinda my headcanon.

[@chocolatesalgado1912]

Wait, there was a Pyramid ship on Io?? Wasn't it the pyramidion?

[@emeraldfrog2237]

​@@chocolatesalgado1912 The only Pyramid on IO was the one during Arrivals but...i dont believe any of the ones on the now missing planets were named?

[@someguy7448]

@@emeraldfrog2237 That is indeed correct. In fact, the ships we enter aren't even named, per se, we just call them whatever the first location inside it is called, aside from the Typhon Imperator and the RoN raid ship, which is apparently called "Essence"

[@E.nuel21]

The actual reason: bungo is to lazy to make a new race so they said f this and just made one guy with PowerPoint presentation ( Beware of Overdelivery, You're Creating Patterns )

[@Supp3r_n0va]

"Babe quick wake up toad dropped another banger"

[@houseflygames]

Season of the Seraph will forever be engrained in my brain. I enjoyed the hell outta it

[@RubyAlternate]

I really enjoy hearing your perspective on this retrospective. It's hard these days to not have someone clickbaiting or rage-baiting, going completely over-the-top one way or another. It's hard to get nuanced takes these days and this video, while not only entertaining, nails it fantastically. There were some parts of Lightfall that were good, some that were bad, and most that was in-between.

[@ryanshanley1048]

This!

[@thewanderer5506]

I was disappointed by lightfall, but im still so excited to see what more destiny has to offer that I cant wait for Final Shape. I love this world that Bungie has created

[@pitcrew8662]

I’m sticking with my opinion I’ve had since the beginning that strand should have been fully unlocked after on the verge with headlong being its own quest mission separate from the campaign (I still don’t think we ever got the special gl or the pulse in the promotional material… the ones with the same kind of look as epochal integration)

[@danranger2821]

the missing guns really get me bc the didn't even release epochal during launch but the season after

[@zane4982]

"Maybe one day we'll see Failsafe back" Oh boy...

[@blackg8r20]

i remember hoping for elsie to join us, cuz y'know... future memories, the veil, it would've made sense and honestly we need more elsie. but instead we got the old fart with no powers ;-;

[@ToTheMax1212]

The title for this is awesome

[@Fought_in_the_CrimsonRedSeas]

THE VEIL

[@Jmyoun88]

I would’ve loved if it said and the E-Veil

[@asgerrasmussen1386]

You made an absolute banger here, your editing style is immacualte as always, and your insights, and criticisms well worded and meaningful.

[@DreamcastFarm]

Lightfall soundtrack has some of the best tracks in all Destiny

[@kagekitsune98_56]

Also love how Tormentors just did not appear in Root of Nightmares

[@calus_bath_water]

Bungie: makes the best enemy ever Also bungie: uses them like twice lmao

[@donogoodatgames]

I mean, they were literally in the first encounter. I understand and wish that they had been used all throughout, but to say that they didn't appear is straight up incorrect

[@kagekitsune98_56]

@@donogoodatgames thats it Just first encounter. I just dont count it.

[@talizorahnarrayya5916]

​To be fair...Nezarec is a giant tormentor ​@@kagekitsune98_56

[@kendrickleavitt7738]

Thank you so much for this video!! Your positivity gives me hope in the D2 community!!

[@SnyperMK2000JclL]

Personally I LOVE the increased difficulty of Neomuna... you cant one shot body shot a redbar enemy and actually have to aim and utilize your abilities and even environment, thats great!

[@Vex1001]

Aye I know it's a reupload and I know the youtube algorithm will probably kick this in the nuts but I'm still watching

[@Toadsmoothie]

You're the goat ✊

[@qul9tt]

You're an amazing streamer I'm so glad I'm a part of this community

[@sunshotwithanornament2475]

My Lightfall synopsis is content wise honestly the best year I’ve been in. Unfortunately story wise (in the DLC itself the seasons had pretty good story imo) disappointing which caused a chain reaction souring the entire community. The sour taste of the community loomed over the entire year and felt bad despite my personal enjoyment of the year.

[@thegreywardens777]

I’m here to make sure this bombass video gets the recognition it deserves

[@Blazer_491]

To say that hype was at an all-time high was both very true, and in a way, an understatement. Between the Lightfall trailers, the different Exotics and Strand, and all the changes coming to the game (loadouts, difficulty scalars, armour mods, etc) seeing the final trailer that dropped 24 hours before had me almost scared as to what was going to happen, in a good way. Of course, hindsight exists and I feel that if Lightfall’s narrative was better (less forced comedy and focus on Strand, more focus on the structure of the story and a Veil explanation) it would have been the best update and expansion to the game

[@donogoodatgames]

As somebody who watches a lot of gaming content, including a whole lot of retrospectives on older games, it's cool to get one for the game that me and my friends have sunk the most time into together. I think one really cool part about the video, is how positive you were about the upcoming content that bungie used to fill the gap between Wish/Final Shape, and you didn't even know how insane Into the Light was going to end up being. Honestly, Into the Light is the closest we've ever got to the Age of Triumph release in the final year of D1, and that is high praise coming from somebody who absolutely loved that time in Destiny.

[@fusion3161]

I’m hitting the griddy I’m so happy new video 😮

[@TrepidDestiny]

Two days into The Final Shape, and this video aged like wine. Good call on the Crow wish.

[@moryas1414]

Thank you for making this beautiful lightfall retrospective. as a veteran D2 player who decided to stop playing after Bungie introduced sunsetting I find that your wonderful sense of hope and optimism for the game is encouraging me to get back on the path of the light and join my fellow guardians and my fireteam one last time :)

[@ItzMajin1744]

Bro! You were ON POINT with these predictions!

[@tonivoul1971]

You restored a part of me because I started feeling down after seeing how fans would treat the updates.

[@SirBaconThe3rd428]

Lightfall really hurt. Final Shape has to bang so hard for me to come back

[@etwas789]

Toad it was a pleasure to watch this video. I really do enjoy how all your videos flow , the time flies by super fast. I didnt even realise it was a 30 minutes video. You are one of my favourite content creators I have ever watched. Please keep up the good work!

[@silv3784]

Toad, you have come so far as a content creator. May you continue to get the recognition you deserve for your hard work and your neutral and uplifting personality. (leaving a comment for that sweet sweet algorithm)

[@Jesus-Henry-Christ]

LET'S GO EVERY TIME I FINISH FORGIVING SINNERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO smoothie ur fr gonna be in heaven don't even worry

[@GianOnYT]

As someone who stopped playingfor a long time and is just coming back this was a VERY good retrospective, so keep doing these!

[@hayleyxfiona]

your theory on crow and cayde felt like charlie kelly explaining pepe silvia and i loved every second of it

[@overson7614]

I have a feeling that Into the Light is gonna be really good

[@marcusmoore7600]

lol yea me too

[@drache3370]

I personally think that Lightfall would have been amazing IF they told us what the Vail is, killed Nimbus instead of Rohan (if would have been more fitting), and made calus a better villain.

[@grayward6651]

This is my first time seeing your channel and I just wanted to say this: HUUUUGE props for the production quality/editing. I’ve started making content recently and now more than ever appreciate content like this. The hours are worth it, great video:)

[@zanzabarosu]

one thing i will glaze lightfall for is strand, the concept and execution of how the abilities work was fucking amazing, the whole thing about the strands being the LITERAL FABRIC OF REALITY and titans being the ones to rip and tear through them, hunters gracefully dancing with them, and warlocks reweaving them to their will, was the coolest part about the DLC also i was REALLY worried how they were going to explain cayde coming back, but the way they did it is actually insane

[@nico3064]

The thing with Bungie is that't they always can surprise you. Positive as well as negative. There's still a possibility that The final shape will be the best we've ever seen. But we'll have to wait

[@voltplayer2.0rematch53]

My only complaint is the icon of the raid being on nneomua and not near the traveler. Wouldn't it make more sense for a raid near the traveler to be near the traveler.......thats my 3 sense fight me later

[@GhostlyWhiteGuy]

There was some lore about a guardian getting controlled by Nezerec and was forced to kill his ghost and rip out his eyeballs, that is really effing disturbing… but imagine if we got to see that in real time during RON. I think it would make it a lot better, it would show how powerful Nez is and would really give you a memorable experience.

[@nikko7345]

23:00 a small change they could have added in the cutscene is have Immaru do the resurrection thing in the corner while Ikora and the guardian run to Eris, to avoid any confusion.

[@pickle_38]

Loved this vid, your considered thoughts and attitude towards both the game and the community is always super refreshing (and the banger editing doesn't hurt too XD)

[@Dreigonn]

I can say confidently that lightfall as a whole, is definitely the expansion my friends and I played the most, and we’ve been playing Destiny since 2014. This i KNOW is due to them adding loadouts. It’s crazy just how much more fun the game got with that simple addition. It gave us a reason to actually really grind our other characters. About 40% of every season is spent by us just making loadouts on all our characters, making transmogs to go with all the loadouts and actually trying out builds and way more exotics that we’d never use before. And while I didn’t really do any of the seasons stories because I get deathly bored of the way they make us do them, my friends all completed every seasons story this time around. For the entirety of Destiny 2 for some reason we’ve only played 2 out of the 4 usual seasons they release with an expansion. Other than the story and the raid difficulty, imo lightfall was the best expansion for my group fun wise.

[@merilynnshark6144]

I still think that a theory my friend and I came up with for Lightfall's story would have been so much cooler: The Witness does something that cuts us off from our light, and through that absence of the light we discover strand and master it in order to reconnect to the light and fight off the Witness's and Calus's forces.

[@jekkin8972]

Wait the light actually fell in your concept????? This expansion needed to be dark

[@everydayidiot34]

he called the final mission

[@WorkInProgressX]

The problem about Lightfall is that TWQ seasons did a poor job to lead us there besides season of the Haunted. The Veil should have been mentioned more before as something the witness was seeking (even without naming it) and give us the premise that it would be a “race” between us and the Witness. Instead it was just a last minute thing, and us going to Neomuna was also last minute as a “see i’m not crazy” from Osiris. I think the mishandling came from Plunder, we gather Nezarec’s relics to wake up Osiris, but imo he should have woke up halfway through it with fogged memories, and have the “Nezcafé” be a way for him to clear Savathun’s memories to learn about Neomuna and the Veil.

[@ianbarlow4894]

LETS GOOOOO!!!! FROGSHAKE IS BACK!!!

[@ianbarlow4894]

🐛🍨

[@Ranthop]

Lightfall certainly didn't make me feel better about Bungie or Destiny going forward. After nine years of trying to be positive for this franchise, it wears on you. I'm glad people like you are around to brighten this community.

[@thatoneguy.3548]

I've been playing since roughly the mid point of season of Arrivals. So i may not hold as much experience as some of the other veterans, but, after playing through every expansion, especially those that were not yet vaulted (R.I.P. Red War, Curse of Osiris, Warmind, and Forsaken). I have faith that Bungie won't mess up their finishing lap of a decade long saga. Especially with everything that's been going on, I believe that they're putting in every bit of effort, pulling on all the strings of unanswered questions and mysteries to bring us something that's more than just a satisfying finish to the Saga. I will continue to play destiny, I will see it to the end, and whether that means i have to get Destiny 3 or something else, i don't care. I love destiny, through thick and thin. Lightfall was fun, and i'm always happy to play what Bungie gives us... Even if it is admittedly worse than expectations that were set.

[@Palayedeuhm]

TOAD FEED ME MY SMOOTHIE SLURPPPPPP YUMMY

[@ryanshanley1048]

This is exactly the kind of video about Lightfall I was looking for. Thanks for summarizing how I feel About everything perfectly!

[@trinity4148]

Osiris when he starting talking about the veil (I still don’t know what the fuck it is)

[@robertmiles1194]

You forgot to mention the entire campaign was just one big strand training montage with Osiris’s annoying ass

[@carternichols5933]

The funniest part of Lightfall, is when the ghost asks what the cloud ark is and Nimbus explains it very succinctly. And then the ghost just doesn’t even bother asking about the veil

[@kycklinggull1]

Babe, another Toad banger has been posted this week

[@RurouniKalainGaming]

8:14 Thank you for saying that his boss fight on legendary wasn't easy. I feel like too many people compare his fight to the regular mode which is chump change.

[@WaferThinSlice]

15:30 he called it

[@sethmcrae8229]

Your predictions are uncanny. Love your channel.

[@noodle3628]

oh yeah, we're back.

[@stevenanthony2482]

Another great vid Toad! You’ve definitely found your niche with the animation & additions to the story with the gang 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@jadenbryant5111]

That "together were stronger" really had me Rollin

[@unholypepe]

Oh my god. Crow could've just done what the community wanted to do in Forsaken and wished Cayde back to life. Cause back before last Wish came out we thought the last wish was going to be us bringing Cayde back only to bring about the never-ending curse

[@Z0MB1ESLAYER115]

I think Lightfall had more memorable moments than shadowkeep. Tell me a memorable moment other than the beginning and end of shadokeep. Light fall had the opening, the sparrow run, escaping breakneck, the defense with Caitil, hearing Calus smashing his way through. Strand was also very well done and is the highest point for the expansion. Ron while being easy, that in and if itself isn't bad thing, look at vog and dsc. though vog was the first raid and is very simple and dsc is still getting everyone involved but. Also chicken brant ruby rose as the final boss was awesome. Just hearing Nezy say "Guardians, let me devour your fear" as he breaks out/ slams down to start the fight is too good. the pyramids being empty i see as they had them before they merged into the witness, why take one when the others still function, and Rhulk and Nezy were given their own pyramids any way. I think that yeah Lightfall is probably a filler, its not a bad filler, but bungie does need the final shape to blow witch queen out of the water, maybe not to that degree but. season of the witch and wish are the better two of lightfall. I didn't like wish as much as searph but nothing will be better than watching red sacrifice (heh heh) himself for the traveler... AND ERAMIS INVOKE A WISH TO BE TURNED INTO A VAULT EXOTIC, but hearing Riven grant the 15th wish with the "this one you shall cherish forever" was icing on the cake for this season. Oh and which Guardians have killed gods and disciples and commit warcrimes on the daily? probably not those sitting in the helm (I kid i kid, mostly)

[@Slazaryn]

Seraph was my favourite time in gaming. Period. I adored that season and the game during it. So to open Lightfall's first mission and be thrust into a mission that had nothing backing it I was more than a little disappointed. Like we had just spent months with Osiris learning about this hidden stronghold and that it's likely on Neptune but that's as far as we really got, then we jump into mission one of lightfall and osiris is raving about the veil like he knows it's the most important plot hook of the expansion while we had next to nothing on it or even confirmation of a city on Neptune (look back at beyond light and our cautious entry to europa's wastes to deal with a distress call or to the witchqueen where we need to rush to mars to assess the situation). In lightfall, pale megamind rocks up to our god and home and says u all suck and we proceed to sprint away with osiris who has been gifted knowledge and decided not to share with us... like it just doesn't flow well at all or follow our guardian (or the vanguard's) behaviour. Our going to neptune is almost entirely to make sure osiris is safe for Ikora meanwhile he knows where we need to go and what to do. Now I hate unconstructive criticism so what I think they should have done is thrown us into some massive battle jumping between pyramid ships or assaulting calus' leviathan as they all approach the traveller only to hitch a ride as they mysteriously turn tale and flee to neptune with us getting comms from osiris on what what limited stuff he's learned in THE FEW HOURS (Cutscene wise) since we stopped eramis and learned about "the veil" and neptune's mysterious secret stronghold. Osiris does annoyed and confused very well and even in the lightfall campaign but I have played it and now gone and done lore reading about it and I'm still a little lost as to why the veil is accessible via vexnet (see the strike) or how it has anything to do with neomuna's citizens (is it not just a giant paracausal fungus they're hiding from the witness? they don't even know how to tap into it... they made the metaverse with it like come on. anyway... lightfall could've been better and I wish we could explore more of the city itself

[@jrock6426]

1:38 That the guardian of angels by Niviro edit just hits hard man.

[@abagofT]

Imagine Nez if we couldn’t break him by standing on plates. Imagine having to rotate the arena during damage while he teleports and jumps about, what a miss.

[@chaosspawn5491]

OMG SOMEONE ACTUALLY FOUND MY VIDEO

[@Toadsmoothie]

You got it bro!!

[@Peacekeepers_OT]

Final Warning continues to fly under the radar

[@nanceinthepants]

When they said that Lightfall was the beginning of the end, they meant the literal beginning. If the end was the entire alphabet, we got just the letter A, maybe a B. A week out from The Final Shape, I think Lightfall was a good year in total. We’ve had some real low points, but Into the Light saved the game. This may not have been the year for story, but it was the year for quality of life upgrades. If this wasn’t marketed as a full DLC and as a filler DLC (akin to Rise of Iron), it would have been received much better. In fact, if we had one filler DLC that brought quality of life changes between major expansions, I think it would be a good model for Destiny.

[@MaoriMufasa]

Lightfall... Truly a Destiny 2 expansion of all time.

[@Infinite_voyager]

Strand is still one of the best additions to the sandbox ever made

[@Slug_ssbm]

The highlight of my friend and I’s run through the campaign was finding Datto Jez and Daniel at Neomuna and t posing in front if Jez.

[@masterSageHarpuia]

Correction, the neomuna people went into the cloud ark as a safety means when calus invaded. Not the vex

[@isaak8516]

I took have faith that the final shape will be one of bungies best works yet

[@CoreIdeas]

That DBZA joke was god tier 🤣

[@BrazarB]

3:20 the Warsats weren't meant to destroy the Traveler, but to weaken/immobilize it

[@DriskotTheDense]

Closest we had to a triple melee charge was when ophidia spathe was glitched and gave a 3rd stasis shuriken

[@Poixon_2]

into the light is crazy lesgooo

[@cuppy666]

This wasn’t the first 48 hour day one, this has been the standard since VoW to help with connection issues initially

[@jackcampbell7898]

Really enjoyed the video but wish it went more in depth about the development of the expansion and seasons, felt too short for a retrospective

[@10TARDIS]

Love the content as always!

[@watevr5557]

I can't wait for the into the light and light fall I just hope I can get a job before light fall so I can actually get it and play it

[@someguy6534]

Genuinely didn’t know what the Veil was while doing the campaign. Still don’t fully know tbh.

[@WorkInProgressX]

The Veil is the frontal section of the Eye of Cthulhu

[@irrelevantnamehandle]

great video! i think your thoughts sum up how I feel about lightfall too, it wasn’t really worthy of that name; it was just a filler expansion that failed to tell a good story but her some good aspects to it. ironically I think every season we had was overall solid maybe minus defiance. looking at it personally now I feel really indifferent to lightfall and feel like it really blundered and wasted a lot of good potential. But things like strand and Root of Nightmares (yes, I agree it’s too easy but I really enjoyed it including the day one experience, probably one of my more fond d2 memories). i do really hope final shape can pull through, it’s definitely a make or break at this point and i really want them to conclude the story on a good note.

[@RIPJAW10]

Stasis - really cool? I get it it hehe

[@demitrischoenwald1436]

THE VEIL

[@thefourthhorsemanwithornam9314]

I know it sounds goofy but people don’t realize how far away Neptune is. It makes total sense why no one else could follow us in the span of what was a few days.

[@ghoulishaux3122]

TOAD WE ARE BIRTHDAY TWINS JUNE 9TH BABY 🤙🏻🍻

[@crowzilla2918]

I left after teh lgihtfall campaign. Came back for Into the Light. I was confused about the narrative and am glad to have found this video. Earned a sub from me broski!

[@bigtiredpotato]

I think that The Witness was never going to let Eramis destroy the Traveler. It was purely to drive Rasputin to shut down his defense network and therefore make it easier for the Witness to invade.

[@Kojo6iv]

the strand helmet for hunter is actually really good pvp and pve

[@LordTonzilla]

Not really

[@Kojo6iv]

@@LordTonzilla it's my go to helmet for anything PvE, PvP is great for playing the grapple drop kick build

[@TeethSkylark]

Hey man, Bungie said it'll be the end of the seasonal model, but episodes are just going to be seasons that are supposed to last 4 months instead of 3

[@DioStandProud]

Better idea Every time The Veil is mentioned in the Lightfall campaign, we here in the comments and Toad all take a shot

[@sostcyr]

pause usage earned you a sub

[@jhsrt985]

The dbz abridged guru and dende clip was absolute ❤💪🏾🤣

[@DioStandProud]

Coming back poat TFS Did a drinking game with friends where we took a shot whenever the word Veil was said by anyone thst was not our Ghost or us. Cleared half a bottle of tequila in one sitting.

[@fireheartclan]

I am not saying its a bad thing, but like... In a way, after learning more how the seasonal stories worked. Both by watching some stuff about the past ones I didn't get to experience and seeing a few of them first hand, Defiant until now. Almost feel like Lightfall was a seasonal story that was expanded upon to make an expansion out of it. Why do I feel like this is the case? >Story focuses on the Guardian and a one other person heavily (Osiris) >The other characters in question all felt very story driven in one way or another. In some cases very 1-off, but may show up later to be expanded upon (cloud striders) or brought back to help progress while being more built upon as a character Caiatl. >Takes place in a way, that feels disconnected to the rest of the story of the time, though in this case felt a lot more tied in like concrete because it was made into an expansion. But is the reason why, like you said in this video. The cutscenes at the traveler at the beginning and end almost felt like they were one continuous one. >The setting of the free roam, while super interesting and cool. Almost has a type of "this is for an activity" feel to me in a lot of places. Though, when it comes down to it. Is Lightfall the worst DLC? No. Do I wish they had done Rohan and Nimbus' part differently? Yes. Do I wish we did more gurellia tactics against the Shadow Legion instead of focusing on learning about strand in the story? Yes. But is strand really, really fun, especially after all 3 classes got built upon a bit more with banner, specter and walk? Yes, 100%.

[@crittomato7043]

I so badly wanted to shoot the ghost because I wanted some excitement, idk why but all plot twists were so predicable nad the sparrow run should have been after the cutscene (make veil explode or something) Like I was so dissapointed that instead of getting actual expansion, it was just filler :(