Lights Over Norway: UFO or Military Rocket?

[@Gentamoru]

Man I remember this, I can't believe it was 13 years ago Why has everyone forgotten about this? I feel like every other rocket launch that has tried to recreate this has failed, this looks much different to a normal rocket launch

[@JamesOberg]

Dozens of rockets have created similar spirals, where have you been?

[@alainportant6412]

Elon Musk did a spiral over anchorage a few months ago

[@JamesOberg]

@@light6818 == Running away and hiding, I see......

[@demonsmokr]

​@@JamesObergyou really get around here. Oberg......

[@JamesOberg]

@@demonsmokr == Somebody's got to import reality around here.

[@kurtstory9466]

How does rocket fuel, expelled from a rocket motor spinning uncontrollably, propogate waves with such geometric regularity, and not be subject to the forces of trajectory, gravity, or wind currents? I have seen many missle launches, but nothing ever like this. Rocket exhaust is dense and would fall to earth--not create a perfect spiral.

[@thetruthchannel4634]

The mass thinker has amazed me since even childhood. By the 6th grade, I knew I was on an upside down planet. John Lennon said he was about 12 also. Here we have paintings and ancient Sanskrit that talk about flying objects. I’ve watched the totally-controlled media deny UFOs for 70 years, and then in just the course of 18 months, both admit they are real and like everything else they are suddenly a giant, giant THREAT. Pathetic!!

[@Idontwantahandle6669]

That’s plasma lol. You’re mind is too simple to understand what you’re seeing, this makes perfect physical sense.

[@PrincexFangCODM]

And why did it just open up like that?

[@StrangeScaryNewEngland]

There aren't any wind currents at that altitude, for starters. Thats lower atmosphere you're seeing bud.

[@dblockbass]

​@@Idontwantahandle6669even if it is plasma, thats not what the authorities said. they said it was a missle test gone wrong and last I checked there are no nations on earth that use plasma propulsion or plasma as a fuel source for terrestrial ordinances. also, as far as we know of, it is literally impossible to keep man made plasma in statsis without a capable reaction chamber, since it is afterall a nuclear reaction. so to imply that it is plasma freely spiraling in the air actually demonstrates your ignorance on rocket propulsion, nuclear physics, thermodynamics, wave propagation and mechanics (i.e. light), and atmospheric science to name a few principles at work here...me personally, my best guess is that it is a top secret directed energy weapon or byproduct of a much smaller in scale but high energy phenomenon.

[@mattkingnz]

the way that it turns perfectly symetrical doesnt seem like an 'out of control rocket' id rather go with the 'project blue beam 'theory

[@shanesmith734]

It's a rocket. There's been plenty similar to this. Occam's Razor indicates this is a rocket launch, rather than your elaborate conspiracy.

[@demonsmokr]

​@@shanesmith734elaborate conspiracy? Care to inform us of other rockets which have done this same spiraling maneuver?

[@shanesmith734]

@demonsmokr use Occams razor. Is it more likely some form of rocket? This does look very similar to Falcon 9 rockets. OR a projector that will potentially mislead the world to follow a one world religion? Common sense.

[@roskildahphreak]

It's weird how the media completely ignored some of the events happening before and after the spiral

[@danijel124]

Do you know what happened before and after?

[@EliasAndradeoriginal]

can you please tell what you see?

[@zionsky3342]

seen the one in new zealand recently?

[@haydenmartin6453]

Yes nz

[@benjaminellis1758]

There are reports that CERN were responsible for this,on the 9th dec 2009,the day before barrack Obama received the Nobel peace prize in Oslo,all hail the false messiah

[@paleogeology9554]

In 2017 Myself and about 100 others seen almost this same exact spiral like this in the sky here in Pennsylvania USA. There is much we dont quite understand but that is what makes like so incredible

[@JamesOberg]

Thanks for the notice. If you can provide the approx date and time, I can check against spaceflight events.

[@chaserohm7267]

I live in PA as well and my brother got pictures of what looked to be a sun dog and after we looked at the pictures we noticed a perfect spiral in between the actual sun and and sun dog. This was just 2 weeks ago. That's what brought me here trying to find something similar to what we saw. Seems like more and more people r seeing this kind of stuff. I really think theres a change happening in our world right now. Crazy time to be alive.

[@77dris]

Yeah, these are rocket launches. I've seen them too.

[@SC-bc6tz]

Did any of them catch it on video?

[@demonsmokr]

​@@JamesObergoberg.....

[@Xplay302]

Thanks KZbin I do miss 2009 back when UFOS were cool and mysterious

[@TSoulx]

Thats silly. This is the most interesting and exciting time for the phenomenon

[@erikg007]

If anybody reading the comments today wonders what this is, it was a Russian Submarine that was performing a nuclear missile test (SLBM), and at the third stage of the rocket, the thrusters malfunctioned and the rocket started spinning in the air until the fuel ran out.

[@lordnignog1688]

Yeah, yeah, yeah sure

[@JamesOberg]

@@lordnignog1688 = Nignog, what's the evidence against that explanation?

[@startingbrandnew3055]

I thought it was CERN related... maybe....? 🤔

[@jonaskloster1562]

This makes sense. And the plume(which looks like a beam) is lit up by the sun which is why its visible.

[@jonaskloster1562]

@@startingbrandnew3055 No the video is filmed at Skjold military base, Norway. CERN is in Switzerland. Check the map

[@rayoup11]

they don't show the whole video as expected

[@dudepal187]

Im not arguing with you, Im just asking a couple questions. How can you tell its high enough in the atmosphere to be illuminated by the sun? And are there any past rocket failures that resemble this?

[@recordingsbeforethenukeswe9588]

A crazy spiral in the sky and 30 seconds is the best you can do

[@moderncombat8415]

eiscat do that,, its another haarp facility research programm in norway

[@dgdhqgdyukqud]

When I went to the balcony at a certain moment and I looked up the sky it happened circa a half of year ago, I think. The cloud started slowly to form a spiral, but it wasn't that perfect like this of course and slowly vanished away. I didn't watch videos like that before because I always knew they're human made like this video shows. They can't daze me.

[@Timothyto]

Can imagine how the guy felt when he filmed this. Looks pretty nice though

[@fogbullit1000]

Native Americans have paintings of these going back thousands of years and they say that other worldly beings transport through these portals

[@JamesOberg]

And you believed them?

[@wojakpill]

@@JamesOberg better to believe them than believing some monotheistic cult.

[@conanhighwoods4304]

​@@wojakpill?

[@wojakpill]

@@rhondareed3002 I'm a hindu. And my reply was to the top guy, nothing personal. Sorry if you're hurt.

[@TaintedFun]

Well, nikola was very interesting to research. A lot of the info on him could be made up, but they way his inventions were explained was pretty fascinating. I especially like his "Teleforce weapon." It explains how he used a vacuum tube to shoot minute beams of tungsten and mercury. I suggest you all look him up as well.

[@Settiis]

Hello

[@Marco81MX]

Its hard to appreciate from the ground with some of these videos but keep in mind that according to the russians the 3rd stage of the rocket failed, this could mean that it failed to separate from the other stages which could have caused the spinning. What you see glowing is not fuel spraying out, it is combustion gasses, not very dense stuff, but from that distance it looks like a compact cloud of material. And there is no resistance in space so even these particles will sustain high speeds.

[@Urmashouldvswallowed]

Doesn’t explain the black hole

[@Marco81MX]

@@Urmashouldvswallowed I don’t think we ave the same understanding of what a black hole is. A black hole even the size of a basketball would be as heavy or heavier than our moon. It would rip this planet apart at that distance. Maybe what you mean is the visual illusion of a void caused by the lack of particles being expelled by whatever that thing was.

[@Urmashouldvswallowed]

@@Marco81MX u just said we don’t have the understanding what a black hole is then proceed to tell me what a black hole is😂😂😂

[@Marco81MX]

@@Urmashouldvswallowed Yes. That is what I did. Hopefully we are on the same page now.

[@Urmashouldvswallowed]

@@Marco81MXuno I wasn’t talking about an actual black hole I was talking about the black hole that formed after the spiral thingy started to disappear watch it again and you’ll see what I’m talking about, do u think it’s an engine explosion of sum sort or a failed rocket test?

[@7Epitaph]

@SorrowfulLesson No. Our aircrafts look relatively similar with variations in design. This isn't to say "aliens" of different species would have similar designs, but it seems ludicrous to assume so many different species just visited Earth once without so much as a hello. To say that each "alien race" would react identically is strange. Earth is a small place in a large universe, it seems preposterous to assume so many other intelligent lifeforms come here regularly without our knowing.

[@christdidier7355]

Solidarité avec l'Arménie et Stop au Massacre !👍🙋

[@BriaSioux]

@JubeiKakorot i wonder what is on the other side?

[@Angelvelaty]

Does anyone have the full video where it dissappear into a black hole looking thing?

[@JamesOberg]

There's no such film meeting your description. There =ARE= several videos showing the ICBM's engine shuttling down and the spiraled plume expanding away from the missile.

[@thetechlibrarian]

@@JamesOberg this is not the full or original video though. The video circulating at this time we're much more compelling

[@JamesOberg]

@@thetechlibrarian == Any luck with your 'full video'??

[@fabianrodriguezveyronthund5552]

I had an Encounter with This Here In Southbay Gardena It told me To Come Outside and Witness it and it was very Loud!

[@soso-mx8nb]

What did it sound like

[@bennygari]

@@soso-mx8nb when I got outside it sounded like a siren something like that

[@JamesOberg]

location? date/time? did you make a sketch of it? otherwise, don't waste our time.

[@OTBDBOY]

I call 🧢. I’ve seen these numerous times, they are from rocket launches, although I’m not sure what makes it appear/ behave this way

[@SorrowfulLesson]

It's not a rocket or military weapon. There have been similar phenomenon over the USA as well, in several places. Basically, you can't see the UFO in the shot because of the light emitting from the portal behind it. The tail is the dissipating wormhole. The spirals are because of the spinning craft, which is also spiral shaped. As it re-enters hyperspace, the wormhole dissipates and creates a blue circle where the craft use to be as a result. Simple science.

[@ibrahimhaddad7053]

Is it true?

[@milanpintar]

If it can get to space I think it will be able to spiral for a while. That was amazing.

[@77dris]

This is a rocket. I've seen actually much crazier looking things in California from rocket launches.

[@juicydeath9589]

Crazier looking than this?? I’d love to see! Do you have photos/video?

[@smayplacebo2435]

Over the years I have been coming back to this phenomenon to see if there was an official explanation to what occured. Tonight on the news I saw an article about a similar spiral forming in the sky, that was caught on camera from the Subary Telescope in Hawaii, up in the mountains. This spiral was supposedly formed by a Falcon-9 rocket, a reusable launch vehicle, returning back to earth and disposing excess fuel. I now belief that the Norwegian spiral must have been caused by something similar like a rocket disposing excess fuel.

[@blazzer73553]

Wrong

[@JamesOberg]

Smay, see my link posted to Angel Velaty 2 months ago.

[@smayplacebo2435]

@@JamesOberg I think you are right on the money there Jim!

[@JamesOberg]

@@smayplacebo2435 = Any suggested improvements of the explanations -- will be greatly appreciated!

[@ItsOrel]

since when did rockets turn into black holes???

[@asdfkerub]

@nuttex rlly? but how they teach about black holes in sschool the pics looks like that :P

[@anim27]

Yes, to see this picture, that cannot answer a question whether is a missile that it is so.

[@wslx0195]

I've seen a missle test launch in california years ago with my father. It was back when the US military was testing anti-missiles missiles. It launched from over the mountain, just as bright, however it didnt spiral and fail, and there was no noise. Easily could have been mistaken for a 'alien ufo' or something if it weren't for the AM radio station we had on that had a host talking abou the missile.

[@EliasAndradeoriginal]

that may be a missile too?

[@Enoch420]

@@EliasAndradeoriginal no brthr this is obviously not a missle. Don't listen to their lies. This is some kind of wierd alien portal . Plasma is blue when ignited. We all know what a rocket looks like

[@Coekieboy]

why does the unusual things always heapon near a millitary base ? Suspicious, not ?

[@ElGatoDelInfierno]

Area 51

[@Tagbadger3]

Looks like someone projecting some kind of weird light. Interesting...

[@DrDoe1]

any links?

[@kaipattersonfilms]

people know that but that looks way too perfect to be a missile failure

[@BonesTheCat]

You know this how?. Post me a link where they said what happened to the rocket...

[@LandonBrock]

Ummm am I the the only person who realizes that that is being projected from the ground. You can follow the conical pattern caused by the light diffusing back to a location on the ground. This is world news why?

[@digitaljackass]

you can see the beam of light being shined in to the sky from the ground.. it is just a big spotlight with a cool trick

[@tufse1]

why is it soo mach lights over norway?

[@LizzieP9]

Yeah but how the hell are you ment to get a light go perfectly into a spiral like that if light only travel in straightlines?

[@OutdoorsLover12]

Yeah, I’m not too too sure about this one, I can’t seem to choose between rocket, ufo , or portal, it could very well be advanced technologies

[@adriennegraham4846]

Portal

[@JamesOberg]

@@adriennegraham4846 == What do =THEY= look like?

[@OTBDBOY]

Rocket, I live close to Kennedy space center and seen this twice during rocket launches, I’m not sure what causes it to appear/ behave this way tho

[@waderp]

It aparently was extremely high altitude.The spirals themselves were VERY big circles even though they didnt seem that large. Usually the simplest explanation is the right one.

[@travisskyski]

and what simple explanation would that be?

[@AlvaroAndfriends]

OK seeing the original video makes me think. Is this even real? And in this video you can actually see the spiral shape disappeared into a black hole or something or disbursing. Very odd if you ask i am having negative thought about the actual footage.

[@WrathPassion]

I saw this thing and the rocket theory doesn't convince me at all. It was observed from a huge geographical area so whatever it was it was large. This video doesn't show the wierd expansion of the black sphere/hole. The beam was cyan in color and was visible for about 20 minutes. The whole shit was silent and stationary in the sky. Laser projector or anything like that, give me a break.

[@wslx0195]

It is a rocket lol. You can see the fuel trail. The spiral in the front is caused by an accidental leak of fuel in the side. As it lost pressure out from the side, it threw the rocket in a spin. Education is the key word people...

[@draagedems]

there´s also Haarp facilitys in norway. dont know if this is it... but sure looks strange

[@Slingin_Bait]

ANYONE WHO SAYS THIS TO BE ALIEN IS FOOLISH! Depending on the size of the Rocket this is exactly what you would see from a night time launching of 2 stage rocket. The vapor trails are known to form circular patterns due to decreasing atmospheric pressures and changes. SO STOP HOPING YOU'RE NOT ALONE. WE ARE ALONE AS FAR AS WE KNOW IT.

[@nuttex]

@asdfkerub The same reason you got pictures of waves in the physics books. To understand something you need to have a scheme, a picture of its structure. Otherwise, how would you be able to learn it?

[@Sadaran89]

Well, it could be a rocket with more than one engine. Imagine that one of the engines was damaged pushing the rocket in other direction then the other engines making the rocket spin around itselft thus creating the spiral effect. The real question is; why was there no engine sound?

[@3le4n0r7]

Because it probably was in the very high atmosphere since the combustion gases were illuminated by the sunlight

[@RebelRider2010]

That was a failed nuclear missile test, shot up from a Russian submarine. It failed during the 3rd rocket phase, so it was way up in the atmosphere, the symmetrical movement could be due to the failed rocket engine spiraling the rocket. The Russians have declared what they did, BTW, I live in Germany,

[@KrakatoaCoo]

then why is it in Norway?

[@thetruthchannel4634]

Any comment of substance is deleted

[@JamesOberg]

please post again.

[@MassZombicide]

I told the person who told me about it that it's probably a rocket, but it still looks cool.

[@ermond]

honestly i think more people think and know this isnt a failed missle. were not dumb the government cant hide this anymore

[@allgood6760]

Portal? 🤔

[@alphis343]

Im A Smart Man And Science Cant Even Tell What It Is People Call It The Sky Spiral

[@skip2655]

Time portal

[@nameguy372]

Black hole?🤔

[@emilisdargevicius1949]

Portal from the game grey goo🤔

[@ealc603]

Portals have never been registered.

[@DrBPhD]

Some sort of search light. One can even trace back the place from where the light is send.

[@Settiis]

Lol

[@Tun1NGManiac]

I read somewhere, that this is a failed Russian experiment with long-range missiles and i think that this is the reason for these lights.

[@WingsOfAlundra]

personally i think its testing for the iron cloak otherwise known as Ion Cloud Phenomenon which is supposed to be able to block radar signatures and stop satalitews watching certain areas from space!!

[@IndigoCat17]

No one can actually explain what it really is but it is surpriseing that people are actually looking into the unknown and believing their are amazing and unexplainable phonomnos going on

[@BonScottAC]

The government could say it's just a cloud made of jam and people would accept it.

[@soadhabit]

im not going to say youre wrong because i know nothing about this subject...but how do you know for sure any of the stuff you're saying is true at all?

[@Daedazrael]

Everyone is wrong. This is the first sign that we are developing Spiral Power, an energy powered by the rugged fighting spirit of all mankind!

[@MSDosPrompt]

'UFO or Military Rocket?" It's a UFO until it is identified. When it's not identified (military rocket or not) it still remains a "UFO"!

[@vgotnofingers]

In fact this is Bulava: a new submarine-based ICBM for the Russian navy being tested. It's just the shot is taken in Norway during polar night so what you see is the rocket trail being lit from below by the sun (which is behind the horizon). Pretty crazy z sight btw.

[@inachu]

They had a radio signal go through to the other side going back in time to relay a message.

[@temp1024d]

watching carefully to focus on the blackhole at 0:13-0.14s ,there was a lightling object dropping out of the blackhole

[@SorrowfulLesson]

@7Epitaph Also, if such a thing did happen, why would any Government admit it to the public? There would be chaos, pandemonium- they would lose control of the planet very quickly. It makes more sense to cover it up than it does to integrate it into our every day lives, don't you think?

[@bonesjustice08]

Ok, now im convinced that this was not a missle, yikes!

[@Marco81MX]

That people do not understand what something is does not make bright objects in the sky ufos or paranormal phenomena by default. What you see is an out of control rocket failing in its 3rd stage (at high altitude/speed) It is travelling so high in fact that the material it ejects is illuminated by the sun even when it is dark at ground level. Of course russia would deny it at first, nobody wants their new rocket technology studied by others, specially if it fails so spectacularly like this.

[@StrangeScaryNewEngland]

I hope you're still doing alright 13 years later... Anyways, you are absolutely correct!

[@LizzieP9]

UPDATE (Dec. 10): Russia has finally admitted a missile accident with the Bulava ICBM. This rocket already has failed six of 13 previous tests, according to the BBC, so Russia might have been a little embarrassed about it.

[@canar7]

you made me smile w/ that comment!

[@MilitaryMatters1]

I am guessing this is a hypersonic accident or actual successful testing-- regardless, it seems more believable it now.

[@TheJinxandCosmoChronicles]

Same thing happened today in New Zealand... something is strange is goin on..

[@JamesOberg]

They're called r-o-c-k-e-t-s. They often leave spirals at dawn and dusk.

[@trolojolo6178]

@@JamesOberg no they don't!

[@JamesOberg]

@@trolojolo6178 How many examples, going how far back, do you want?

[@OTBDBOY]

@@trolojolo6178yes they do I live near Kennedy space center in Florida and I’ve seen this a couple times from rocket launches in person. It’s a lot cooler in person.

[@PanicSunday]

When it opened up or disappeared, I'd be scared shitless by it if I was there to see that. It looks like some portal or blackhole opened up or something. D'8

[@manthony12]

just becuz they say its a failed missile does not mean it is...

[@SkarabCZ]

Imho, it is not either UFO or rocket... ...but it is FOR SURE testing of some kind of a weapon...

[@narezul]

have you seen the other "failed missle launches" lately i dare you to sned me a link of amissle looking anything like whats been going on

[@sheldon315]

that is amazing. even if it is a missile ive never seen such a thing

[@Skibiditvman-ov5nx]

It is in slow motion it usually lasts for a few seconds

[@Recon801]

This has already been explained. It was a Russian test of a new nuclear missile. Not a UFO.

[@21Wakeup]

haarp uses radio waves? arent those kinds of waves invisible????? projections are linear. not curves. and missiles really cant do that sort of thing. and if i know anything about anything its something coming from a distant area high up in the sky which gives it the illusion that its coming from the ground

[@angryadrien]

@spanna: Personally, I don't believe everything that they print in the newspaper. How many rocket launches have you seen that look anything like this?

[@SorrowfulLesson]

@7Epitaph There are striking differences between all of our aircraft worldwide, isn't there? That is just one planet. Imagine another planet, without our natural metals or resources, in another galaxy with it's own solar system, or even in our own galaxy in another solar system. Then imagine another, and another, all with separate resources. Wouldn't that, in turn, make all alien craft essentially look different from all other alien craft? Just a thought.

[@tbagin3d]

i find that hard to believe a failed missile launch would continue to spin in circles and not fall to the ground or just launch of in one direction not continue swirling. Russia is using that as a cover up its probably a UFO

[@SorrowfulLesson]

@7Epitaph A good point. I do see what you mean, and agree to a certain extent, however... We've no clue what resources they possess, let alone their reasoning for coming here or their technological advancement. They could be harvesting resources and gathering information without our knowledge, if they are technologically advanced enough (cloaks, hyper-drive, etc). And while most of our aircraft on Earth is similar, a 757 looks nothing like a round fighter pod, so what I say *is* plausible.

[@albermarle19]

I thought the original story stated it was visible for 2hrs+.The missle story was first denied by the russian military.Someone had to persistently ask them the question before they said it was a missle test gone bad. Ppl have said they never saw these results( white spiral cloud w/ blue corkscrew tail ) associated with any missle test before and certainly not these characteristics remaining in place for the period of time they were visible!

[@cayudeRUCKZ]

a comet that striked atmoshere?

[@wonderbread1]

I don't know what it was but I don't believe that it was a failed missile launch. If it was a quick trail of a missile spinning out of whack and then it exploded and caused those shockwaves in the air maybe, but that blue beam was spinning from the ground up for minutes and the spiral in the air remained in the same spot the whole time til it dissipated from the center. That's not a missile. It's some experiment that the governments of the world don't want us to know about.

[@gregvgoebel]

Look up "Trident PEM-1 launch failure" for more interesting spiral fireworks!

[@dudepal187]

Well, the trail does goes for a really long time. You can see that whatever this thing is starts on the ground and rocket trails can be illuminated by the sun. Its just odd to me that it kept a perfect spiral for so long. But a rocket does seem like the best conclusion right now. I'd like to know for sure but governments never talk. Oh well, back to life.

[@Designation6]

A UFO in self-destruct. R.I.P. for Captain Aslan for his bravery

[@inkbotkowalski]

What's the video equivalent of 'SHOPPED? Because that's what it is. I find it hard to take that in the age of digital video and CGI people still fall for that kind of trickery.

[@Yaaacar]

im not saying that this is ufo related but a military rocket is the dumbest explanation possible

[@joemoore6964]

We had one in Missouri last week

[@krbernh]

It was confirmed a Millitary Rocket. Disappointing, but true...

[@norpab]

When did anyone pronounce "we-" as "r"?

[@smokeygreeny4488]

Space X rocket. Space X was founded in 2002 and had it's first successful launch and some others around this time exactly.

[@JamesOberg]

SpaceX didn't launch until 2011 or so. This was a pre-announced Russian ICBM test that had upper-stage trouble.

[@cablefellow5315]

Who knows.

[@JamesOberg]

@@cablefellow5315 = "Rocket scientists" know, and are willing to share. Is your mind open to the missile explanation?

[@jamesrideout123]

Remember this?

[@tapper]

ever heard of a searchlight ? maybe with a some kind of film.

[@digitaljackass]

no it is a spot light being shot in to the sky it is so clear

[@googlefish80]

could be if you look you can see a blue beam coming from the ground but then that could just be effects from the camera.

[@checkplus]

@xEternallyMusedx all gravity bends light. Black holes just have a lot of it.

[@Juntahh]

ive seen that before... wonder what it is

[@wslx0195]

no, no noise. It is too far. I've seen missile launches before in California. No noise at all.