Michael Horton: Moralistic & Therapeutic Deism

[@facepalmingreformer8723]

Dr Hortons ability to diagnose this stuff is brilliant. God has graced him for this.

[@Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist]

Message that needs to be heard on a regular basis

[@HillCountryPrepper]

A message that needs to be heard today.

[@Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist]

This message if heard by a majority of the Pastors in this age would cause them a heartattack.

[@dandaub7817]

This is spot on.

[@melissadaub3039]

How you doin’? ;)

[@kevinbrislawn5918]

We just talked about this last week in my home church..many aspects of the Word come to life for me when i hear really good teaching on this and other subjects.

[@leodwinak]

I hate it when I hear a parent say be nice. Tell them to be kind gentle honest careful respectful patient. Name ethical character qualities you want them to disply not just inoffensive or impotent.

[@kevinbrislawn5918]

We're all guilty of this self-serving antidote to feel good.

[@kevinbrislawn5918]

As a people we are all pretty much in the "guilty" category of trivializing our personal sin our personal willingness to lie, cheat or steal because we think we're immune to consequences and post modernist thinking conveys to us.." ahh so what I think I'm still okay" and pass it off. I know I'm guilty I know many in my church are guilty..it's how we process all this in terms of good biblical grounding to understand when I feel as if I know the answer and I truly don't. I have to go to the Word to seek God personally and seek forgiveness from him and not pass on judgment to others or my background etc.

[@GraceandTruth7777]

How long has Western Churchianity been Semi Pelagius? We just have to put on the FIG LEAVES because even the regenerated may be deluded by the subtle subconscious way we are offended by the Cross. Deism means that you basically worship another god, the god of the Enlightenment. Humanism comes in a whole variety of ways.

[@hadikusumo7922]

great sermon, in Jakarta where I live most of the Chruches have also changed into another gospel humanism secularity.

[@TheDrummaBen]

This one blew my socks off

[@justbecause9219]

You go to most places called churches and very rarely will you hear Christ and His accomplished redemption and His atoning work and imputed righteousness preached. It’s always about man-centered, moralistic, therapeutic, deism.

[@oron61]

Who needs to become a legitimately better person when you can assume your own goodness by believing the right stuff? Christians and the Pharisees both can impute righteousness of themselves while preying on widows, while those who actually do righteousness are sent to hell for joining the wrong church. So much for being paid according to your works.

[@justbecause9219]

@@oron61 it’s Christ’s righteousness alone imputed to His elect. it’s a God-given faith.

[@oron61]

@@justbecause9219 Exactly. It's imputed instead of real. It only really exists in Jesus. The righteousness within you only exists on paper; it no longer produces any demonstrable good works beyond those of the pagans today. You don't do good works. You call your filthy rags good works because you think you've tricked your god to thinking they are instead of receiving power from your god to do real good works. That's why you beat your wives more than agnostics and make up most of the incarcerated population.

[@mattr.1887]

Justbecause, what churches are you talking about? I have been to many - while there is some variation in style and doctrine, they pretty much all stick to basic Christian views in my experience.

[@justbecause9219]

@@mattr.1887 “churches” that aren’t preaching Christ and His accomplished atonement/redemption. If you pay close attention, the teachings are always ultimately man-his will and decision as the difference maker and not Christ alone.

[@NavaidSyed]

Nothing is wrong with loving anything and anyone including yourself until and unless it causes significant harm to someone else.

[@mattr.1887]

I don't think you should love people blindly. But under Christian thinking, you can NEVER love yourself!

[@NavaidSyed]

@@mattr.1887 Love is spontaneous and personal. It does not recognize the boundaries and restrictions, Christian or whatever.

[@cbwilson2398]

A real tough decision: Go with you, Mr. Knowitall, or with the God of the universe and his word.

[@NavaidSyed]

@@cbwilson2398 Of course the worshippers always know better about everything in spite of having zero scientific or logical evidence for it? For your kind information this is called blind faith.

[@mysticmouse7261]

Ah finally the Truth

[@mcfarvo]

Amen

[@ltcajh]

The American Church is exceedingly ill. An Osteenite told me that you can go elsewhere if you want to hear about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. She’s heard it, knows it, and doesn’t need to keep hearing it! To sum it up, preaching is directed toward what the peoples’ felt needs are, rather than God directing the content. I had a pastor would would go on a yearly retreat to the beach to find out what God wanted him to preach on for the year. At the same time he put out a box soliciting sermon topic suggestions!

[@refiloemotsoeneng8777]

Shocking!!! Not really surprised

[@mattr.1887]

How does a preacher know EXACTLY what God wants him to preach about? Just pray hard enough until he gets exactly the right thoughts and feelings?

[@ltcajh]

@@mattr.1887 I don't guess they know. Often it's what they feel a passion about, or sometimes it's a systematic exposition of a passage.

[@bowinghearts]

Brilliant

[@angelsanabria4457]

La realidad es algo muy distinto que el materialismo historico.

[@MarkCox21125150]

Wow. Great talk - if the shoe fits . . .

[@klaasjan111]

a moralistic side-note: shame on the tech crew ! For the silly mic stands....

[@klaasjan111]

in the netherlands you got lpbmedia for reformed people....tip

[@klaasjan111]

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[@paulbaysa9133]

Ibang illegal charts ☝️ not evangelical "Ibang" is a Tagalog word means "different", in a indifferent world of churchianities.

[@augustbabyboi]

I think he meant Psalm 51, not Psalm 95.

[@NavaidSyed]

Gnosticism and self-salvation are heresy? How so?

[@drivebyquipper]

I was hoping to get a drink here, but it was dry. All the guy did was complain how there's no water in other places.

[@MarkTurcio]

What is the reference to the source concerning Barna findings ?

[@jerryvivanco4898]

Google it. It's not that hard 2 find!

[@NavaidSyed]

I own myself. Nothing doing to myself could not be sin. Sin or crime happens only when someone else is harmed.

[@retrograd332]

False, sin is any rebellion against the law of God.

[@Window4503]

You are not your own. No one is. You are incapable of bringing yourself into existence or sustaining it without God.

[@NavaidSyed]

@@Window4503 Yes, there is a cause. But, it is very unlikely to care about what do you do in your bedroom, for example.

[@Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist]

​@@NavaidSyedWE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD. EVERY BREATH WE TAKE IS HIS MERCY, EVERY THOUGHT WHICH WE THINK OF WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW OF GOD IS SIN. SO WE KIND OF SIN A LOT. WE ALL ARE SINNERS AND WE ALL DESERVE TO BE SENT TO HELL. THIS IS UNDERSTOOD ONLY IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE HOLINESS OF GOD. WE CANNOT SAVE OURSELVES AND ONLY GOD CAN SAVE US. THAT WORL OF GOD WHICH GOD DID TO SAVE US IS THE STORY OF THE BIBLE

[@NavaidSyed]

No victim, no sin or crime.

[@mattr.1887]

Former diehard fundamentalist here. I love my Christian brothers and sisters. But I think a lot of you have been seduced by this unhealthy compulsion to control other people's thoughts, and even control God by making Him say what you want Him to say. The deist just accepts that God is reflected in nature and beauty. The more specific your theology gets though, the more human error starts to enter in. Doctrine is man-made, and can always deceive you - but nature cannot be faked. None of this has to rule out morals, either. I am a deist, and VERY right-leaning socially and politically. In my personal/private life, I strive to do the right thing BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT - not because I'm afraid of going to hell or anything like that. I know many Christians reading this will probably conclude that I am just another godless heathen who's never cracked open a Bible. If you only knew my friends - if you only knew.

[@JohnnyBlaze5100]

It’s ok, but u had me lost. It’s monotonous not clear cut n it’s sounding generally boring. Get to the point!

[@JoseLoayza-j6w]

That’s not deism. Moral deism is defensible. Debate me professor.

[@NavaidSyed]

You are bound to the immutable universal laws of nature, and those always give the same results.

[@julialoorgamboa3111]

Por favor,en español

[@krystle8287]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@BigHippyBear]

Three minutes and forty two seconds into the video, and Horton has not a traceable chapter directly from the gospel.

[@jerryvivanco4898]

Wow!!!!! Pay attention senor F. 4get it.......If THAT'S your reaction..... Then.....u don't GET IT!!!!!

[@BigHippyBear]

😂 Precisely. I have revisited and suffered twenty more minutes in hopes the word was with him. Disappointed has filled the air.

[@BigHippyBear]

@@jerryvivanco4898 . Of course i did not get it; this sermon is built on Sand.

[@romans6788]

>One year and a few seconds into your comment, and you have not had a traceable chapter directly from the gospel. Cmon bro, think about what you just said.

[@NavaidSyed]

God is the clockmaker. He made a clock in a way that he does not have to interfere in everyday affairs. More current modern-day analogies will be video games and virtual reality programs. The programmer is simply beyond the rules of the game, just like a programmer cannot be part of the game, and the rules of the game do not apply to him.

[@mchristr]

"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:14). If God didn't reach down through the division of heaven and earth to meet with us, where else would we find hope?

[@NavaidSyed]

@@mchristr In yourself?

[@mattr.1887]

Mchristr, some people ONLY find hope in strict Christian doctrine - and I honestly respect that. But you can also find hope in nature, in beauty, in your relationships with loved ones, and in the very wonder of existence itself. I believe that all of this honors God. In fact we can find God in these very things.