Limited Resources 637 - Kamigawa Neon Dynasty Format Overview

This week on Limited Resources Marshall and Luis dive headfirst into NEO draft! The guys break down the best commons in each color, their favorite color combinations, and even do multiple crack-a-packs! Enjoy!
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[@tedhand6237]

I'm revisiting these before a NEO draft at Mox and just want to note how much I appreciate the childlike glee you guys put into the discussions. Really keeps me stoked on what's fun about the game.

[@clancyjames585]

Luis at 47:16 "I haven't really made a non-green five colour deck". Word man. That's why he's the pro :-)

[@mauriciorossi8477]

he means non green base

[@SageVO]

The UG ramp/multicolor deck is definitely fun, but I think there's also a sneaky "hidden" deck in those colors. Tempo/ninja with Fang of Shigeki, Network Disruptor, Skyswimmer Koi, any blue or green ninjas, even Coiling Stalker, and a card you can get pretty late, Saiba Trespassers. It's a deck that can really pressure people and stop them from doing much and you can build it with only commons and uncommons. And if you get a few good rares or mythics it can go off. Anytime I first pick Tech Wrecker, I keep this deck in mind just in case. It's so much fun to play. Loving this format overall. There are so many interesting interactions and fun builds. Almost every color combo can play different styles.

[@felixeisenmenger1914]

Yeah that was the main takeaway for me so far in the format. Almost every color combination has either an aggro option or a more controlling option, you can build the main archetype of the color combo or something different, you can mix and match a lot of good 3 color combinations... This set has just so many enablers and cool combos even at low rarities that also crosspollute archetypes quite well that it's really a deckbuilder's paradise. In the games I still have to figure out what kind of deck my opponent is, even when I know their colors already.

[@philipkelly7369]

Oh man that signoff... that signoff. Yeah, I feel it

[@makemesmile004]

Something tells me that LSV is going to start an avalanche with this one...

[@stephens9772]

I am having so much fun with the sagas.

[@cheehanlim7089]

Fact or Fiction. Thats my all time favourite spell to cast

[@levikessler3466]

Excellent set so far, loads of ways to do sweet and powerful stuff. Definitely big upside not having a bunch of unbeatable bombs as well. Didn’t play much during the previous sets because the gameplay was terrible, this feels very refreshing and well designed.

[@michaelmahoney1320]

W/U Vehicles might be trash, but it came together once for me and it's my favorite thing I've done in this format, so far.

[@cuccooverlord9812]

This set is so much fun to actually play. The only bad thing is that this is not a block (even two Kamigawa sets would have been great)

[@januszo.2180]

This is a very good set. Finally. Last 4 were very medicore

[@Bannerman1903]

Any chance LSV can fix his desk so it doesnt wobble the camera all the time? I am getting a little sea-sick. Love the show btw :)

[@giubob1862]

containment costruct with boseju super value

[@newscoulomb3705]

50:16 I think the reason Imperial Oath is as high as it is has less to do with the card itself and more to do with the deck that uses it. In my experience, it's never used in a traditional white deck but instead as a finisher in Bant Saga control decks. Essentially, the game is already deterministically over by the time it is cast.

[@makemesmile004]

I very much agree with Marshall's opinion in the context of the Dragon spirits and that if you fall behind in this set you're not screwed. They play Ao and you're line ok better get busy, they play troxyll and you're like fml

[@TheBitterSuite7279]

I love the design of most vehicles overall, but I do agree with Marshall that there really hasn't been a good middle ground with them, at least not recently. We've gotten some fantastic ones that have been very strong in both limited and constructed such as Esika's Chariot or Reckoner Bankbuster, but there are also a whole bunch of them, especially in this set, that haven't performed well at all. I've got a feeling that vehicles may make another substantial reappearance in The Brothers' War set, hopefully there we will see the archetype become more playable, at least in Limited.

[@themris]

Could getting Luis a better camera be in the LR budget?

[@casparash5370]

Hey come on now Luis's Unregistered Hyper-Cam 3000ZX-no regrets is a quality bit of kit. It's vintage, and we all know that's his jam. Anyway I don't know if I want to see his frequent nose rummaging in HD. #everybody picks their nose

[@jerichoholic1203]

Do we want to see LSV clearly is the question...

[@OfficialPizza]

I would prefer he go to a sharper microphone before upgrading his camera. to me audio quality is king in this kind of content.

[@casparash5370]

@@OfficialPizza I've met him in person and can confirm his voice is compressed and low quality in real life im afraid 😔

[@colbyhoman7602]

please stop advertising for crypto. blockchain tech might be useful one day, but as currency it's rife with scams, and even if it wasn't crypto is shit as a functional currency

[@cheehanlim7089]

Has anyone mentioned how busted Kappa Tech-Wrecker is in multiples?

[@SPACEB0YZER0]

Fun set

[@kkplx]

Black Red with 2 of the RB skull artifacts is almost impossible to lose with, imo. especially if you throw the 1R 2/2 in as well that can make 3/1 haste tokens. Ridiculous value and really only loses to fliers or boardwipes.

[@tezzeret2000]

This has been my go-to in the format but I do lose a lot to either the mirror match (esp. on the draw) or GW because of the life gain.

[@mcbescheiden725]

@@tezzeret2000 same

[@A2Jmusic]

4 wins in Traditional Sealed! Check it out if you're getting ready for the Arena Open: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZLUnIidYr-goZo

[@jerichoholic1203]

Funny when they talk about Tamiyos Completion...going completely against the KETO method.

[@electricmayhem2010]

That's why it's a heuristic, not a hard-and-fast rule. It's meant to serve as a rough guideline for beginners, helping them to draft a deck that, even if not the best in the format, at least affects the battlefield and can hold its own.

[@ryanmorfei6325]

KETO has the same value as BREAD to me. I was surprised when the said bread was so bad, then proceeded to suggest something incredibly similar. Best way to draft is and always has been pick cards you want to play with, cards that synergize with those cards, and then cards that fill holes in your deck.

[@kirkj101]

My experience has been this is a find the bomb format. I’ve lost to Jin several games already where I had no chance due to auto counter spell and quickly overwhelmed with double everything. Got an answer - cool, got two? Maybe I’ve just been unlucky - variance happens - but I was so excited by this set and so put down so hard it has deflated me completely.

[@batboibob4910]

I went 3-0 with vehicles in a traditional draft. Deck was driven by uncommons are rares

[@mcbescheiden725]

Yeah, that's the problem

[@batboibob4910]

@@mcbescheiden725 I consistently wheel the pieces though, and hopefully will continue to do so through podcasts like this

[@nitrosmob]

I've gone 1-2 twice in this archetype. I think another issue weakening the deck is a lot of the removal is enchantments. I've had someone do 3 arrests to my creatures and they still lost overall. It's a slower deck in a somewhat more speedy format. If the good vehicles come, it's worth trying though.

[@wurdofwizdumb1928]

I had the assume Imperial Oath was going to be busted because I still have nightmares of triplicate spirits ruining an entire format.

[@kmaru80]

My first impression of KND is very good. I love the style and trophied my first sealed with only 2 mildly impactful rares.

[@StefanoAgrotis]

The set symbol is NEO

[@MorawskiGRK]

Interesting format for sure. Not as fun to play as Midnight Hunt, but much better than Crimson Vow.

[@WontonTV]

20:40 the funny thing is I had Mythic blue dragon P1P1, but I picked Blossom Prancer over it and had 0 regrets. Win rates on 17lands also support this. In fact, checking the data again, Atsushi is the lowest of the mythic dragons and beaten by several good commons, so... I'd be careful about saying "windmill slam 1st pick".

[@donanderson3653]

I'd be careful about following data off a cliff though. Mythic rares are often overdrafted or forced into decks that can't support them. Kairi's (Blue mythic dragon) "Games not draw WR" is 49.9%, while blossom prancer's is 53.8%. This is a larger difference than their Game in hand win rate, and suggests to me people are playing Kairi is a situation where they probably shouldn't be. P1P1, I still think Kairi's the better pick. Also supporting this is Kairi's "Average last seen" of pack 1.25, while blossom prancer is 2.94. Nobody's passing Kairi, even when they should in pack 2/3.

[@WontonTV]

@@donanderson3653 I mean sure, following data off a cliff is bad, but is so is following the Rarity Symbol off a cliff lol. Kairi is an impactful 6-drop that does something when it dies. Blossom Prancer is an impactful 5-drop that does something when it ETBs. They're definitely both in consideration, and with green being such a strong colour overall, and the sheer number of Enchantment synergy decks in the set, I'm happy to go with Blossom Prancer.

[@donanderson3653]

​@@WontonTV Sure, you shouldn't blindly draft every mythic, but this isn't "Hidetsugu Consumes All" we're talking about here, it's Kairi. It's undeniably a bomb, and I think the comparison of "Well, they're both impactful on the board" sort of flattens the difference in their power as creatures. Kairi is a 6/6 flier with okay protection. The ward 3 actually can help a lot vs. 4 mana removal like twisted embrace and tamiyo's compleation, which are some of the only cards that remove it. As a 6/6 flier, almost nothing can trade with it, and green struggles to fight it. It also completely ends the game in ~3 turns if it's not answered. Blossom prancer is a 4/4 with reach. If the board is stalled, playing blossom prancer just further stalls it. It also has no protection, and isn't terribly difficult to fight. It's an efficient 2-for-1, but nothing more. Obviously they're both good cards, but I think the difference in their power is pretty obvious, and I'd be careful about an analysis that starts and ends at "Well blossom prancer's GIH win rate is better, so I better pick it".

[@nitrosmob]

I've conceded about 5 times to that dragon coming out alone. Sometimes you just can't deal with it. I would never first pick Blossom Prancer over it P1P1. It's hard to handle with ward, flying and a massive 6/6 body with death triggers. They don't compare although Blossom Prancer is awesome and is a great value.

[@levikessler3466]

Just finished another premier draft where “Covert Technician” absolutely over performed. I think that card is a fair bit better then you guys gave it credit for in the set review. There is a good amount of 1 & 2 drop artifacts you want to play anyway and since you are actively looking to play 1 drops getting this down as early as t2 is not out of the question. Also a 2/4 is pretty hard to block efficient early on, so getting in 2 or even more hits is possible and then the game is basically over. Highlight was slamming this T2 of a dockside chef, cheating in a virus beetle, getting in another hit T3 cheating in another beetle,...

[@pb5323]

you hate to see good content creators become crypto shills :/

[@casparash5370]

It's part of life now. Digital investment is a thing. If you don't want to use them then you don't have to. Don't hate on LR for having a sponsor. They clearly advocate digital asset education. Not shils IMO.

[@casparash5370]

@@Obelion_ Yeah fair enough. I mean I definitely care if their sponsors are decent companies because I think of Marsh and Luis as my buds and respect their opinions. But I don't know it's a weird fucking world we live in when loadsa big companies exploit the poorest and most vulnerable people or places...and people wouldn't be all like "ah it's a shame that they are forced child labour shils" or whatever else (insert evil business practice here)

[@Pluthegtotheone]

@@casparash5370 a fully new type of business that has pretty much no demonstrable positive value other than building arbitrary wealth is pretty far from the grey areas you describe with large corporate sponsors.

[@casparash5370]

@@Pluthegtotheone Yeah maybe but I think alot of companies create negative value as far as the world is concerned. Many will sell a product or service but create more negative than positive in the process. What's more most just don't give a fuck and will happily or actively look for ways to increase profit even if it is increasing the negative impact they have. I don't really see how that is better I mean it might be I honestly don't know but I don't see it.

[@ZeroSonata]

It's made me more and more likely to just skip watching their content tbh.

[@herolink17]

Wtf is a hot tub