"This is a monster of a video - possibly my longest ever." Oh man, that aged like...
@liberator1013 жыл бұрын
...a banana.
@darthkek19533 жыл бұрын
As did the "we'll post you a copy late 2017" bit.
@calebsilvergleid97973 жыл бұрын
@@darthkek1953 did it ever even come out?
@darthkek19533 жыл бұрын
@@calebsilvergleid9797 not yet, that's the joke. But he does say the money is in an account and it is being worked on. But, Jesus, some people have died in the meantime. He'll have to find the living relatives. :-D
@TobyRossFun2 жыл бұрын
Boring as hell
@Loals8 жыл бұрын
The Battle of Helm's Deep definitely happened, I read it in a book.
@Aegisworn8 жыл бұрын
I saw it in a movie too. The evidence is irrefutable.
@lukecarlson47108 жыл бұрын
The Clone Wars definitely happened too. There have been many books written on the subject; some movies and a TV show.
@davidbunner67088 жыл бұрын
Yes it did! But much more like the book account than the movie.
@ragimundvonwallat89618 жыл бұрын
it was nothing compared to the special ops colonel o'neall (2 L) was involved in
@MisterBones29108 жыл бұрын
+sugarnads Mad
@lptomtom8 жыл бұрын
The real question IMO: if Hannibal'd had the choice, would he have picked the Bren or the Spandau?
@Transgender-ProphetMohammed8 жыл бұрын
at least he loved it when a plan came together.
@theeyehead34378 жыл бұрын
The Bren. He needed to stay mobile and aggressive when in Rome.
@youisa18 жыл бұрын
What a silly question the answer is obviously a Katana.
@goldenpanda70048 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows the answer to that... it's the Bren
@unclebenis25408 жыл бұрын
Katanafanged brandlephants.
@batwing-plays Жыл бұрын
"sometime around December 2017 we will be posting you a brand new graphic novel" is one of my favourite quotes of all time :)
@iogdcutc8 жыл бұрын
Why are all the archaeologists single? Because they cant find dates
@jean-baptistecarrere-gee91578 жыл бұрын
*Slow clap in the background*
@xcotsoh84688 жыл бұрын
+zoe99 fail troll
@mthlay158 жыл бұрын
We can be sure that they have wood.
@handofdoom49708 жыл бұрын
i don't get it.....
@theimmortal47188 жыл бұрын
oh come on, I'm sure they can dig up something
@bonnieprincecharlie7748 жыл бұрын
Another thing about dating a structure: It could have been restored at that date, not built.
@KorKhan898 жыл бұрын
Precisely what I was thinking. No matter whether it's dendrochronology or radiocarbon dating, all it proves is that this particular piece of wood was harvested around date x. It says nothing about the wider structure that it was a part of.
@battlez95778 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but Rome clearly didn't exist before the Middle Ages as this bit of timber I found dates from 700 ad
@Power23158 жыл бұрын
Exactly, and since romans rebuilt the port, I thought maybe they just took pieces they already had in another port and stuck them to the carthaginian port way later, making it seem they're much older than they really are.
@TheGameScape8 жыл бұрын
I could also see how a building materials could be reused so unless they date a wide variety of points in the building accuracy could decrease
@jbearmcdougall16465 жыл бұрын
There's a castle dating from the 1400's near me which is about 4ft high now... But the local farm walls are made from lots and lots of cut stone..
@dylanbailey84648 жыл бұрын
"We're absolutely certain that they did have wood after the Second Punic War" - Lloyd
@phreakazoith22376 жыл бұрын
By the way: Where is Lloyds giant pencil?
@hopeoverexperience89295 жыл бұрын
Until he told me to clear my mind of naughty thoughts after that comment I didn't have anything naughty in my mind that I needed to clear! Which I guess is a bit sad, or maybe not.
@nothankyouYouTube4205 жыл бұрын
Boners
@MrMonkeyhanger5 жыл бұрын
Script consultant- Matt Easton
@SugarfreeYT3 жыл бұрын
Well, who wouldn't?
@mrZbozon8 жыл бұрын
Don't overload yourself. You'll destroy your project. Make sure you don't fall into the same trap of others by being too ambitious.
@caderly1238 жыл бұрын
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff: Yet mrZbozon says he was ambitious; And mrZbozon is an honorable man.
@Snagabott8 жыл бұрын
I DO think this is his main source of income, but he occasionally puts on plays and dances a little too I think.
@smiechu478 жыл бұрын
Who works AFTER getting paid?
@Crosshill8 жыл бұрын
He is also a rather responsible adult kind of person, so I'd expect him to be more reasonable than the average youtuber who rise to fame all of a sudden and so don't know their limits. Let us see how far he can go. I honestly cant picture Lindy being burnt out about anything he wants to do, he really just appears very energetic and passionate about everything he does
@patrickholt22708 жыл бұрын
Who works AFTER getting paid? Your mum. No, literally. For you.
@thePatHammon5 ай бұрын
so 7 years later this graphic novel still doesn't exist?
@valhar20008 жыл бұрын
24:00 Now you have to make a video discussing battles that _were_ made up.
@juliahenriques2108 жыл бұрын
Or at least one about what really happened at Kadesh. That would be a funny one, for sure.
@OctaBech8 жыл бұрын
Most likely a big pool party arranged to get away from spouse and bra... oh, I think one was sterile?
@CollinInGame8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for spoiling
@maxaslagolis8 жыл бұрын
Ramsesse II fought off an army of Hittite Chariots by himself while his men cowered in fear waiting for reinforcments, what else is their to add?
@HimslGames8 жыл бұрын
(@Colin) why do you even go to the comments before the video? lol
@Alopex18 жыл бұрын
Another argument regarding the elephants which I recently came across: The elephants Hannibal used at Zama may have been badly trained, since the Carthaginians may have "scraped the barrel" to provide Hannibal with enough troops, and maybe they simply did not have enough trained elephants and used some hastily trained ones - maybe even with less well-trained mahoots who are even less likely to put them down. Another interesting note regarding elephants: when you make your graphic novel, maybe try to take into account that the elephants the Carthaginians mostly seem to have used were, possibly, the North African elephant (loxodonta africana pharaoensis), which seems to have been a small breed of elephant and become extinct in Roman times. There is a fair chance that the Carthaginians would have used these at Zama, not the much larger sub-Saharan specimens. There is, however, also a good chance that the elephants were in fact Indian ones brought over all the way from Asia - which is reinforced by the mention of Indian mahoots.
@franzluggin3988 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't a less-trained mahoot with not much more than a passing familiarity with the elephant be _more_ likely to take it down? The Romans by that time had had a lot of time for strategizing and had already come up with a strategy involving needling the elephant with javelins. Wouldn't it be more probable that the mahoot was simply dead because the first thing the javelineers were instructed to do was to kill the mahoot? That's at least what my dad told me, but while he was a historian, it was not really his field of expertise. He did have a general interest in Roman history, though. Also, I think you meant Zama instead of Cannae in your second sentence.
@Alopex18 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip, I edited it :) Hm. I think an untrained mahoot would be less likely to take down his elephant; a true professional would, while noobs would be squeamish. I may be wrong, however.
@dimesonhiseyes91348 жыл бұрын
+Ufthak1 the mahoots and elephants could have been conscripted from readily available labor stock. the mahoots could have had a tight bond with the animal which would have prevented them from killing them but would also explain the very poor performance as the labor stock would not have been trained as a war animal.
@Alopex18 жыл бұрын
Definitely also a possibility, good point!
@Marc83Aus8 жыл бұрын
So Hannibal single handedly drove that elephant to extinction , cool!
@rolandselene8 жыл бұрын
Scipio also had quite a few enemies and rivals in Rome. Sure he must have been quite popular and maybe the Romans had an extraordinarily cohesive political climate. But I still very much doubt that All of Scipios rivals could have been left in the dark over a falsification of such scale. And if they knew about the fraud, to me atleast, it seems very unlikely that they would have kept quiet about it.
@indianhistorybuff4 жыл бұрын
But written evidence is much after Scopios time
@nathanielwilliams38914 жыл бұрын
@@indianhistorybuff The Scipio family was still very powerful for quite some time after the Punic Wars though (one of them was a general in the civil war with Caesar, for example), and I imagine they'd have something to say about it.
@xoserodriguez314 жыл бұрын
@@nathanielwilliams3891 He fought with Pompey and was in fact later the leader of the pompeian faction, despite Labienus had a lot more of experience and skill. However, he only had the name and the legend that "None Scipio could be ever defeated in Africa", so Ceaser hired as legatus another minor Scipio. My point is: Scipios in that time only had a prestigious nomen, but barely real power. And with the lots of enemies in Rome, I simply don't get how they could make that conspiracy and inventing or depicting thousand and thousand of men fighting. Scipio Africanus was exiled and with the furious hate against him of Cato, who even tried damnatio memoriae, so such conspiracy would be too juicy to let it pass by.
@LTPottenger3 жыл бұрын
It's like making up barbarossa, it's ridiculous. You could never successfully just claim something happened like that in a literate society.
@geostrategicinsights68013 жыл бұрын
@@nathanielwilliams3891 The Scipio family would be very happy to perpetuate the myth.
@justsomeguy6730 Жыл бұрын
I love the channel, but it's painful to hear him talk about the graphic novel being ready in 2017.
@marcusbrody80028 жыл бұрын
Another reason I've heard that commanders would put their veterans in the back was to help to discourage the younger, more inexperienced troops from breaking the line. At least that's how I heard the Greek phalanx was arranged. Just discovered your channel, awesome stuff!
@neutronalchemist32415 жыл бұрын
Dante Alighieri, that was among the "fenditores", the first wave of knight to enter in battle, at Campaldino, is very adamant in that. He was a newbie, and newbies were sent ahead so that they could make their max effort before the horrors of the battlefield (dismembered bodies, the smell of blood and shit) could discourage them.
@patnor73544 жыл бұрын
@@neutronalchemist3241 Also the reason fresh units were preferred to make charges in the American Civil War.
@Malk0078 жыл бұрын
Loyd, you mention livy several times but Polybius wrote about Zama much earlier (probably around 100 years before Livy given that he describes things all the way to 146 BC and died at 100 BC). Polybius was born on 200BC and had A LOT of contact with people people who lived through the II punic war, I'm no scholar but it seems bizarre to think that he would put such a blatant lie in his histories, specially given the fact that he was a greek historian.
@gwh7665 жыл бұрын
Polybius was a friend of the scipio family. So he could have written about a “fake” battle to increase the scipio family’s prestige. If the battle is made up
@neutronalchemist32415 жыл бұрын
@@gwh766 But he wrote about it when the events were too close to get away with it in the slightest,f it was fake. In Rome there was not the monopoly of knowledge, the literacy rate was very high, and Scipio was not the kind of "hero that all loved" that we tend to believe today. He was actually frowned upon. Marcellus, or Fabius, were example of Roman virtues. Scipio was more the youngster with a great talent and an even bigger mouth, that cultivated questionable friendships with foreign kings and chieftains.
@xavierbouchez92273 жыл бұрын
@@gwh766 No need to write about a "fake" battle, Scipio already won several battles in Hispagnia and in Africa.
@adimsfromthea8283 жыл бұрын
@@gwh766 thats fact plus i think yozan mozig reaserch are more évident then this guy sorry if you take this in a bad way pro roman❤️😂
@adimsfromthea8283 жыл бұрын
@@xavierbouchez9227 xavier mon chum nomme moi des bataille que scipi afri anus a gagné contre Hanniball
@laristokrato1068 жыл бұрын
It's really nice to see a project such as this being so successful. With mainstream comics so mind-numbingly atrocious as they are currently and even the medium as a whole being rather stagnant and lifeless; This project shows that there's room still for some attempt and interest at producing and seeing something that might rise above the prevailing four-color mire. Here's hoping you get another 15K!
@Crosshill8 жыл бұрын
also something that is actually researched to the greatest extend reasonable for the creators, and would be educational material in a way
@rickysmyth3 жыл бұрын
Release date: 2017. It's just like how every year scientists say nuclear fusion is 50 years away
@SodaPrezsing8 жыл бұрын
1378: Second Battle of Spandau on the Katana steppes. Did it actually happen?
@youisa18 жыл бұрын
That was before George Washington crossed the Rubicon in the Russian winter to declare himself Burgermeister of Beijing right?
@antoinebalmes66918 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and he won because he used explosive fire arrows and his men were equipped with back-scabbarded katanas
@Correctrix8 жыл бұрын
Photographic evidence: imgur.com/s92k2JS
@gandalfthegreat7138 жыл бұрын
+Isaiah Young ja
@zachariasw.57668 жыл бұрын
wow the jokes are getting lame...
@quintinzamora36108 жыл бұрын
Wow i didnt know they had wood after the 2nd pubic war
@adamcetinkent5 жыл бұрын
We know from the wood lice.
@TheTerrymovies5 жыл бұрын
There is a Roman monument in Tunisia called Kbor Klib. It overlooks a plain large enough to accommodate a battle between two large armies. It also dates to the time of the battle. Google Kbor Klib and Duncan Ross, the American archeologist who did the detective work to find it and identify it as the site of the Battle of Zama. I've been on the site, and the Tunisian Ministry of Antiquities has accepted the Kbor Klib monument as genuine.
@littleratblue3 ай бұрын
Wikipedia also notes that most of the information comes from Polybius - a Greek, about a couple of decades later than the battle - but Lindy is only referencing Livy - a Roman, who wrote a couple centuries later.
@tarynlindbloom41544 жыл бұрын
Ah, 2016 Lindy, when he thought 24 minutes was long
@theeyehead34378 жыл бұрын
I've never been so hyped for a graphic novel before... is this normal?
@killercour8 жыл бұрын
only if you're a nerd
@iPervy8 жыл бұрын
a very cool nerd!
@fangk.73678 жыл бұрын
A very cool nerd who happens to like Lindybeige's channel
@MadnerKami8 жыл бұрын
+Lord Eyehead No. Definitly not. I suggest visiting a psychiatric ward.
@Rasgonras8 жыл бұрын
It's because, finally, some people that love history get to tell history, not the people that are stupid or love money far more.
@timroberts46355 жыл бұрын
Bro,, you're just simply AWESOME.... I've watched sooo many of your videos & you encompass such an amazing swath of history while having a mastery of it.. While making it entertaining the whole while... Thank you & keep up the amazing work...
@erikpeterson49178 жыл бұрын
Livy isn't the only source for the battle. Polybius writes about it and he was born 200 bc, one year after the war ended. Also, he was Greek and therefore might have less motivation for writing propaganda.
@HaNsWiDjAjA8 жыл бұрын
Many modern historians actually questioned Polybius' impartiality when it comes to matters pertaining the Scipiones, because he stated clearly that Scipio Africanus was his patron.
@erikpeterson49178 жыл бұрын
Good point, but I think his being born much closer in time than Livy counts for something.
@Dorschtl18 жыл бұрын
He was a friend of the scipio family. So he had quite the motivation for lying ;)
@ericconnor82517 жыл бұрын
Uh, friend of the Scipio family or not (which comes as no surprise, since they were patrons of many in the city of Rome, hard not to be acquainted with them), Polybius was actually a very serious, rigorous historian. If you don't think the Battle of Zama occurred, then why not the Battle of Illipa four years before it in 206 BC? This was Scipio's greatest battle, not Zama, and it took place in southern Spain against Mago Barca, Hannibal's brother. It was the reason Rome was able to secure Iberia and kick the Carthaginians out. This is what happens with your leaky conspiracy theories: they're easy to disprove with the most basic related information.
@Holy_hand-grenade6 жыл бұрын
Erik Peterson The Greeks hated the Carthaginians.
@CreeperGangServer8 жыл бұрын
Hey Lindybeige, I recently found your channel and after watching and re-watching your videos, I just have to say thank you good sir!
@RitsuCurisu6 жыл бұрын
Wow, I am really glad you warned us not to run with scissors at the end! Since there wasn't a massive outbreak of scissor-related mutilations and defenestrations after posting this video, we can safely assume with absolute certainty that your warning saved countless of limbs, lives and livelihoods! Bloody brilliantly done, I must say.
@CaptainHaddocck8 жыл бұрын
how to pick up an archaeologist: "Are you an archaeologist?", "Yes, I am" , "Great cause I got a large bone that needs examining"
@thomaswilliams22533 жыл бұрын
Large might be an exaggeration....
@kapitan199698383 жыл бұрын
Gayyy
@Aerinx4 жыл бұрын
"This is a monster of a video - possibly my longest ever." Funny to read that in contrast with the more than an hour long videos that can be found later on XD
@ThisTrainIsLost2 жыл бұрын
I truly believe that had you been my history professor in my second year at YorkU my life would have taken a different and more satisfying track. But that was many decades of time ago and not worth thinking about. Keep up the excellent work! (And I will keep on following.)
@TheEternalOuroboros8 жыл бұрын
Hannibal is a badass name.
@awethesound8 жыл бұрын
I will name my daughter after him.
@TheEternalOuroboros8 жыл бұрын
***** I have a long list of weird but cool names, be aware though... your child could be bullied which sucks!
@X3h0n8 жыл бұрын
Hanna?
@SepticFuddy8 жыл бұрын
It's actually Hanniba'al, which means "Grace of Ba'al", as in the Canaanite/Phoenician deity(ies). In the Punic context, most likely Ba'al Hamon, to whom child sacrifices were fairly commonly made according to Greco-Roman sources. Just FYI
@CoolBeans83448 жыл бұрын
So the Carthaginians worshiped Satan?
@riv4lm4n8 жыл бұрын
Wow, such ignorance, the battle of helm's deep DID happen and the rohan won due to their elven allied and their mighty spandau. The spandau superiority over the uruk's bren was proven at this battle, unsubed.
@nubilepro8 жыл бұрын
The elves also had katanas which could cut clean through the orcish longsword.
@Polite_Cat8 жыл бұрын
not only that, but their superior number of troops carrying torches during the day to increase visibility (a habit gained from the same practice at home) gave them considerable advantage.
@benmarshall51328 жыл бұрын
I heard that the Orcs used the less-complicated version of chain-mail as well
@thysismoonfang85848 жыл бұрын
Incorrect. Clearly, in 1169, they wore studded leather jerkins with plate-kinis underneath.
@riv4lm4n8 жыл бұрын
kekejojo1212 the torch were used to light the spandau's bullet on fire so they could cook the uruk should they fail to penetrate too.
@wrathisme46938 жыл бұрын
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO!: End the war how it likely actually happened, not with the glorious epic star wars harry potter azor ahai second coming of christ war for the dawn like it was described, but rather, with small but growing peace. THEN have the last chapter or whatever you're using with the roman leadership months/years later far away desiding they want to 'modify' the reality as they like for the glory of the empire. The with noble scholars designing the propaganda and writing the battle (great chance to self insert you as one of the roman scholars writing the story) as they wanted. Then you just finish the book with the battle as described! SO you get to write out the battle and have it be as awesome as possible! Now that would be awesome, and pretty fucking meta. People would love that!
@flaminghito8 жыл бұрын
This is a really neat idea, but it should be the other way around. Cutting to the battle after hearing it's a fabrication just makes the ending feel hollow - why read it? Better, ime, to have the battle in narrative, and then an ending scene in the time the histories were written with a centurion and a scholar. Where the centurion is generally skeptical the battle actually happened, and the scholar counters with something like "If Hannibal had never been defeated, would we really be Rome?" or something similar - to imply both that a.) it might have happened and b.) if it didn't, it would be necessary to lie about it.
@flaminghito8 жыл бұрын
Err, that should be *imo, for in my opinion, not experience. I do not actually have experience of writing historical fiction that's concerned enough with accuracy to want to address the potential of historical fabrication in narrative. (Probably not that many people do, actually, but lloyd is a good person to take it on!)
@RadebeGish8 жыл бұрын
Will you eventually make something about Hannibal commanding the Seleucid navy? There's a lot of fun to be had with the vague descriptions of him launching snakes (I like to imagine he trained them to lie very straight and shot them from ballistas)
@zenmastakilla8 жыл бұрын
War elephants sound like a LOT more trouble than they're worth. Not to mention the amount of food and water they need.
@kana226938 жыл бұрын
If you luck out the elephants can completely decimate your enemy's formation and then all you have to do is send in the cavalry for easy kills.
@MadnerKami8 жыл бұрын
+Zen Masta They're more of a psychological weapon, on the larger scale of things. Just like cavalry was generally much more of a deterrence, than a battle-deciding branch of an army. If the enemy had nothing to counter them with, then sure, they're formidable weapons, but if they have a counter? They're largely useless and only create a second field of fighting that has nothing to do with the main fighting that is done by infantry and infantry only, for all the recorded history of warfare.
@alistairthompson83118 жыл бұрын
Perhaps this would work with if the elephant was made of wood. Kind of like a wooden horse I guess, which has worked before apparently!
@pflernak8 жыл бұрын
First you have to devise the counter. And even if you have a counter you are still forced to implement it. Thats resources and options you are denied. To counter elephants youre forced to adopt the zama (I believe thats what it was called) formation. Your effectively denied starting with other formations. And organizing thousands of men into a new formation in the middle of a battle is no small task.
@MadnerKami8 жыл бұрын
nipi tiri See that is the funny thing. Elephants do not appear in the "middle of the battle", because in the middle of the battle is where your own forces are, as well as your enemy's. Do you expect your elephants to softly treat around your own soldiers, while trampling the enemies only? This is not how it works, really. Cavalry-attacks and especially elephant-attacks are telegraphed ahead by quite some time and you have the time to react, especially if you have your troops trained for it. And the "elephant-trap" isn't a new thing. Alexander used it and a precursor to the tactic was repeatedly and successfully used against charitot-attacks in ancient egyptian-times.
@AminNasrallah-u3x8 ай бұрын
7 years and still no graphic novel
@maximus74128 жыл бұрын
Sir, you are a rambling machine. And I always listen to the last second.
@joelcheetham11523 жыл бұрын
It looks like Hannibal is still nowhere to be found :P
@Tiger741478 жыл бұрын
"We're absolutely certain that they DID have wood after the Second Punic War." -Lloyd 2016
@michaelharder97378 жыл бұрын
Lloyd, your timing for the "Don't, that's filth" statement perfectly lined up with my timing of typing a dirty joke in the comment section. I laughed pretty hard. On a more serious note, I'm happy to see you engaging with the Punic Wars, and the Battle of Zama in particular. I've long held that Hannibal wasn't near the genius he is made out to be, and that he may have actually been just short of an imbecile most of the time. The crossing of the Alps, in particular, strikes me as an action that a brilliant tactician/strategist wouldn't likely take. It's true, Hannibal likely did it to communicate the point that the Romans weren't as safe as they thought, but it is quite evident that the Alps were the ones communicating points. Additionally, if you look at his victories, they're most often reducible to: 1. The elementary tactic of the ambush (even if you are good at ambushes, they're the most basic tactic, right after the all out charge). 2. Superior numbers. We think of Hannibal as the underdog, but it wasn't uncommon for him to outnumber his foe. 3. Superior cavalry. Roman cavalry at the time was pitiful, as most history buffs will tell you, and Hannibal had his Numidian cavalry. This is a huge advantage. I won't be so extreme as to make a concrete judgement on the man's intellect, but I do doubt whether he is as intelligent as he is made out to be. Yes, his victory at Cannae was cunning, but was it a result of intellect, or an anomaly? In college, my Western Civilizations professor, when I questioned Hannibal's reputation, asked me this question: "The Romans represent him as a genius, why would they do that?" to which I responded. "The Romans were always quite arrogant. Which is better, to get your arse kicked by a fool, or to defeat a genius?"
@mattlilly23038 жыл бұрын
I'd like a tale about Mildred the war elephant. Sounds like a best seller.
@MrMonkeyhanger5 жыл бұрын
Keep your eyes peeled for Lloyd's upcoming children's book 'Mildred crosses the Alps'
@Zakalwe-01 Жыл бұрын
So…that graphic novel. What’s happening? 😶
@ErichZornerzfun8 жыл бұрын
Well there may be more to Helm's Deep than you think as the Orcs were also handicapped because they mostly had pikeman trying to assault a Fortress.
@TheMaginor8 жыл бұрын
The decisive factor in the battle was the final cavalry charge, in which the pikes were an advantage for the orcs. If they had other weapons they would have lost even worse. If not for that attack they would have taken the fortress any way.
@ErichZornerzfun8 жыл бұрын
Magnus Dahler Norling I meant the reason Rohan choose to defend Helm's Deep was to mitigate the Pikeman, who to be fair in the final charge were blinded by the sun and had to assemble their formation very quickly.
@ColCaffran8 жыл бұрын
Our two sources for this battle differ on the conclusion. Jackson asserts that it was 2000 cavalry commanded by Eomer the nephew of King Theoden. Tolkein the Elder claims that it was merely 1000 infantry commanded by Erkenbrand, Eomer was in the castle.
@TemplarTassadar8 жыл бұрын
I would not consider Jackson a "source". It was a movie design decision. Would you rather have horses and a character you know, or a complete new character with infantry? Cinema wants epic cavalry charges and not too many characters so there you have it. As loyal book fans of course we know it was Erkenbrand with his men who won the battle.
@basileus10928 жыл бұрын
Frankly, I'd rather have the infantry, considering how many bloody pikes the armies of Isengard were equipped with. We must remember that the vast majority of Saruman's army was composed of Dunlander rabble, so the discrepancy between Uruk and human foot combat prowess would not have made a difference.
@justinokraski37968 жыл бұрын
But I've seen footage of the Battle of Helm's Deep!
@TheTerrymovies5 жыл бұрын
American Duncan Ross (he Googles) identified the site of the Zama battlefield. He worked for the US State Department and had a Masters in archeology. There is a war monument at Kbor Klib between Siliana and Le Kef. The weathered, but still formidable, monument sits on a rise overlooking an immense plain. It is a monument built at a time and place where nothing else except the Battle of Zama occurred. Looking down from Kbor Klib, as I have, it is easy to imagine the battle unfolding just as Polybius described it. The Tunisia Department of Antiquities has accepted Duncan's case for Kbor Klib as the site of the famous battle.
@jamessarvan76928 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm so freaking happy that this actually all worked out well! I'm really, really looking forward to the comic!
@hellrocker12128 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the Kickstarter Lindy. Im glad to see what we love come to fruition.
@GunFunZS8 жыл бұрын
Another thought about the War Hephalumps.... They were a hugely expensive superweapon and symbol of national pride. Compare the Yamato, or the Bismarck, or the "Pederson Device," etc. History is replete with hugely expensive superweapons which were too important to risk using, and thus never really did much other than deplete resources. It could very well be that they were kept back for a possible pivotal moment and weren't deployed in time to be useful.
@theoriginaldylangreene8 жыл бұрын
Would the Japanese have wasted the Yamoto by sailing it into New York harbour?
@GunFunZS8 жыл бұрын
By taking it into any fight anywhere... That's the thing, if your weapon is too important to lose, it tends to be too important to use.
@theoriginaldylangreene8 жыл бұрын
GunFun ZS Well if that was true, Fat Man and Little Boy would have never been dropped.
@GunFunZS8 жыл бұрын
Dylan Greene First, I made a generality, not an absolute rule. A dominant tendency if you will. The first atom bombs are the exception. However, the atomic weapons made after the war have conformed to the 'rule.'
@theoriginaldylangreene8 жыл бұрын
GunFun ZS Fair enough. But I still don't buy that Hannibals' elephants where a style over substance / national pride "thing". If they where, why slog them all over the alps? Hannibal did use them and use them well, the same cannot be said for the Bismark or Yamoto.
@Life4Metalcore6 жыл бұрын
Shocking new evidence has been released: Carthage had wood after the Second Punic War. This changes everything we think we know about the period
@hanefar118 жыл бұрын
I love how much you've been posting lately. Keep up all you do Lindy, you are great.
@observationsfromthebunker96398 жыл бұрын
I think what Lindy is really having trouble with is that Rome finally kicked Mister Genius Hannibal's ass, and made it look easy. The battle though has seemed to me to be a forgone conclusion for several reasons, which still had to be played out to seal the reality of the situation. 1. Hannibal was on a short tether both strategically and tactically speaking between Scipio and Carthage. His battles of maneuver could not be put into play in open ground, especially with Carthage directly at risk. 2. The army he was given to lead was not the instrument he had used to break three successive consular forces in Italy, either in quality or quantity. the Roman army under Scipio had all the experience of the Second Punic War distilled into it, and had Numidian cavalry and the confidence of victories in Italy, Spain, and Scicily to offset Hannibal's glory days. 3. Elephants had troubled Rome in the time of Pyrrhus. They were no longer troublesome at Zama. The Romans had learned that the great beasts could be stampeded and thus nullified, and a likely danger to their own force then.
@markcannon85222 жыл бұрын
Loyd is obviously a Hannibal fanboy, hell defend him the same way girls defend justin Bieber lol
@thepartingglass25384 ай бұрын
“-and made it look easy.” Is a grossly over exaggerated retelling of the battle. The fact that it came down to a slogging match between infantry and was fairly matched (with Hannibal’s infantry slowly beginning to create gaps in Scipio’s infantry lines) until the Calvary came into play dispels the notion that it was easy.
@observationsfromthebunker96394 ай бұрын
@@thepartingglass2538 Scipio Africanus had a plan, and a proper plan will make the outcome seem inevitable, as it did to many historians, regardless of work involved. Did you not read my reasons why Hannibal's genius was nullified, and he was bereft of meaningful battle planning? Hannibal's army was routed and driven from the field. Hannibal's infantry never seriously threatened the legions' integrity. The elephants might as well have been left behind for all they contributed, which was to leave the Carthaginian forces in chaos in their retreat. The excellent Numidian horse gave the Romans the cavalry edge they had been missing to make the victory complete. Hannibal's army was destroyed before his very eyes, beyond his capability to repair, and compared to the butchery of Cannae it was swift indeed.
@rashkavar5 жыл бұрын
One thing that would explain the relatively low number of elephants even in North Africa is the sheer amount of fodder it takes to keep them fed. 120kg of food per day is the low ball estimate for wild elephants in good conditions. Given we're talking about a desert battle, and given the amount of time elephants spend foraging a day anyway, all of this food would have to be carried by the army. Logistically, you can only reasonably expect to have so many elephants without having major supply shortages. Having hundreds defending a major trade hub like Carthage might not be a huge deal - cities take in a staggering amount of supplies on a daily basis, and always have - but an army on maneuvers in the Sahara? That's another problem altogether.
@nickdarr73282 жыл бұрын
Lindy, have you ever watched MMA very much? One of the most interesting things to see is how it's a natural reaction for people to meet force with exactly equal force. If a fighter is a better boxer an opponent might keep kicking and even though it's not in his best interest the better puncher will kick. I feel this is responsible partly for lulls in battle. That would make a great military psychology video
@andywomack34143 жыл бұрын
Scipio won the battle before it started by using skillful diplomacy to cause the Numidians to switch sides. I appreciate whenever the uncertainties of the historical record are pointed out.
@Gman-1098 жыл бұрын
New to this channel, this is fantastic stuff. The graphic novel is going to be a great success, and I hope it spawns an entire series. Such a project with this writer and illustrator on Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon and the civil war - drool. So much great possibilities, but I hope they are prepared for a second printing (at least), as I think they are underestimating how popular this is going to be with a wide swath of people - history fans, fans of the channel, comic geeks like myself. Fantastic. Brilliant.
@MoricsR.BrivMurnieks8 жыл бұрын
A video about Bismarck and Tirpiz German battlships would be nice, Not a lot of peaople know about such a thing.
@adrianjagmag8 жыл бұрын
We have visual evidence of Helm's Deep 😝, many veterans such as Viggo Mortensen can attest to fighting in it. Really good video. You're style of presentation is really good, I think I've watched every single video of yours atleast twice, and enjoyed every second. Thanks a lot. Love the humour and the information. You accurately summarised, in a short video, something that took me quite a long time to figure out on my own. Keep up the good work.
@perplexedpenguin21968 жыл бұрын
That last bit of advice really help, I've been suffering from running scissors fatigue, which is like shell shock but full of paper cuts. I can now be free to tie my shoes for a living, thank you.
@Ninja-Alinja4 жыл бұрын
That didn’t age well, nearly three years after the promised delivery
@jimmycakes71583 жыл бұрын
Oh dear, but he received 150k, has he seriously not given an update?
@maxbarker86253 жыл бұрын
@@jimmycakes7158 he's given updates
@leedonaldson89148 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff Lindybiege.... Grazie mille for your efforts.
@davebarrowcliffe128910 ай бұрын
Seven years on and I'm still "In Search of Hannibal.." 😂
@Fluffy_production10 ай бұрын
I just started watching him and i wanted to buy a copy😂
@annunakim5252 жыл бұрын
i think the carthaginians upgraded the harbor fort after the romans landed on their shores. in an attempt to calm the panic from fear of invasion by Rome or other raiders. but i think it was already there when the battle of Zama occured yet smaller perhaps.
@tomhawtin20478 жыл бұрын
I backed it yesterday and am very excited. Congratulations to you both.
@Jotari5 жыл бұрын
"I deny the existence of elephants."
@SNP-19995 жыл бұрын
One also has to remember that when Polybius wrote his Histories, in which the battle of Zama is described, they were within living memory of potential participants and old veterans of the battle, or at least their direct descendants, i.e. their sons, daughters and grandchildren, who would remember their stories of the war. To invent such a conclusive event of a decades long war would have put Polybius' work in the realms of fiction, something the great historian would never have done. As far as the dating of the military naval harbour in Carthage is concerned, I agree with many other viewers below that new construction wood was most probably used during repair work to the much older facility.
@CHARLESMGRAHAM7 жыл бұрын
if you think about battle of waterloo is also rather unlikely napoleon escapes island over throws the French government with virtually no troops, then invades Belgium and happens to fight the about most effective allied commander who has won numerous times but one who never actually encounter napoleon, who then completely defeats him napoleon in traditional battle ground of the british army Belgium, he then goes to another island, and all this takes place in 100 days come on this was just made to make wellington look good.
@KrillLiberator5 жыл бұрын
Waterloo was a piece of near-contemporary speculative historical fiction which was misinterpreted as historical fact. The Internet has reinforced this error to the point of it becoming almost indisputable 'fact'. The Internet is a disgrace.
@SighNaps8 жыл бұрын
I missed the patronage period for this project. A video about the Teutoburg forest would be brilliant. I have loved your channel for years. Demissitius vivat lindybeige.
@TheEpicPaco3 жыл бұрын
In search of hannubal is still not a thing in 2021
@danielchequer58423 жыл бұрын
In search for In Search for Hannibal
@ostrichking68 жыл бұрын
I'm really just elated with your success in this.
@Fedac18 жыл бұрын
Please make a video about the Falklands/Malvinas conflict, i'd really enjoy it. Love the vids, keep 'em coming!
@ausguymac8 жыл бұрын
Good Job Lloyd , I have wanted you to write a script for a movie or book since I started watching your channel a year or two ago . Really looking forward to it !!!! Great Job !
@Lortagreb3 жыл бұрын
what a shame the graphic novel isnt finished
@jimmycakes71583 жыл бұрын
Wow, how can it still not be finished?
@HNXMedia8 жыл бұрын
The best part about working on any building project is getting wood.
@Sebastianek19908 жыл бұрын
@Lindybeige agree, that's why polish-lithuanian commonwealth (an cavalry based army) commanders trusted more in securing borders with light cavalry camps instead of fortresses able to withstand siege loaded with infantry. In the attack of the cities they added to polish infantry scottish, dutch and german mercenaries :) Great video as always, thumbs up !
@luxextenebrae9 ай бұрын
Love your videos Lindybeige ! I followed Hannibal’s path from sagunto to Italy in 2010, would love to visit Carthage one day
@Rokiriko8 жыл бұрын
Brass Trumpets do not melt Elephant Ears, Zama 202BC was an inside job. NEVER FORGET!
@Papadragon188 жыл бұрын
"We are absolutely certain that they did have wood after the second punic war." That you, Lloyd, for that mental image. I felt like it was needed today.
@poctordepper44697 жыл бұрын
Bush did Zama
@roboparks5 жыл бұрын
Since Hannibal was fighting on a defensive this time and an invasion by Rome, Looking at the terrain were Uita sits. It makes sense to hold back the elephants . Even as experts at training and taking care of elephants as the Crarthanges were , It would have been a logistical nightmare to move them to one area and then re mobilize them to another. There would have to be a water source for them and plenty of food that is taken with the army. The Great plains battle has a lot smaller numbers on both sides. Might explain why there were no elephants at those 2 battles.
@clarkogles32898 жыл бұрын
lindy comment section is best comment section
@Flight_of_Icarus8 жыл бұрын
6:15 I never had that thought until you mentioned it, Lindy.
@WeesloYT2 жыл бұрын
In Search of Hannibal - did it actually happen?
@colinmackay922 жыл бұрын
Well he finally finished writing it on April 1st and now it's over to Chris so hopefully we get it some time in 2023
@robertmatch6550 Жыл бұрын
Isn't there a scene early in Patton (1970) where he describes a battle in ancient north Africa and tells his adjutant "I was there!" Have the MOVIES let us down?
@CODEXAMBROSIUS Жыл бұрын
DAMN YOU NIKOLASSSS WHERRE IS MY NOVELLLLL
@scottmclaughlin23298 жыл бұрын
Yep I'm subbing, you are fecking top class, well done good sir keep it up.
@exitolaboral3 жыл бұрын
Hi some suggestions that could have helped Hannibal at Zama: 1) Keep the elephants on his flanks as a reserve. 2) If his idea was to drive the roman calvary out of the field, set up a trap for the roman cavalry, for exmple lead them to a certain place where they can be attacked and destroyed. Hannibal could hide some troops, encircle the roman cavalry and destroy it. Hannibal did set up traps at Trebbia and Trascimeno. 3) After the roman cavalry leaves the field,the elephants attack the roman rear and it collapses. 4) Another idea is protecting his rear with the surviving cavalry, and perhaps archers with sticks as in Agincourt. I don't know whether this level of coordination is possible, or whether he had the resources, but anyway I would like to have your thoughts!
@giovannibrambillasca77888 жыл бұрын
With all respect this theory si bollocks. We have CONTEMPORARY SOURCES about the war. Polibius wrote his book using the official records, patrician's archives, general's diaries and even witnesses probably. This fact alone makes all the other points superfluous.
@PMMagro5 жыл бұрын
Polybios was born ca 203 BC. He was taken to Rome 166 BC as one off the Greek hostage. When did he write this, was it before 166 BC? Parts of teh story is obviulsy bogus. How the two generals meet and have a natural discusion about the greatest generals of all time instead off peace terms or the upcoming fight or past battles... Also the story about hannibal and his father plsu Scipio and his father are just to good to be true. It does ot have to be 100% false but how both lose their fathers an dswear to kil the other side etc.
@damuses14524 жыл бұрын
@@PMMagro Disagree with you. There are historical examples where battlefield commanders met with each other at or before the battle. In fact, there are examples of opposing leaders challenging each other to a duel and even fighting them before battle. So two leaders meeting each other prior to battle is fully reasonable and may even be expected considering Rome had (for fifteen years) lost to Hannibal so why wouldn't they first try to negotiate a peace/settlement before possibly losing yet again to Hannibal?
@TeaAndBullets8 жыл бұрын
+Lindybeige , do you think sometime you could cover the story of the Battle for Castle Itter? It is most definitely one of my favorite stories of ww2.
@callumr.macdonald92176 жыл бұрын
The prediction of my filthy mind working with perfect accuracy made me laugh out loud.
@mackenshaw81697 жыл бұрын
Interesting. If you think about it most of the biggest battles occur during the middle of a war. Last stands at the end of wars can be very nasty but usually a foregone conclusion.
@definelogic48038 жыл бұрын
Lindy I didn't even think about it until you said it.
@drakinkoren8 жыл бұрын
I wish I had the money, looks like this will be really good! Also, grats on getting to your top tier of stretch goals!
@yaoi6988 жыл бұрын
at 25 minute Lindybeige video?! We're getting spoiled!
@dpartridge23258 жыл бұрын
i think the point of the trumpets would be to sound like other elephants, which elephants would instinctively be scared of, i would imagine this would be much more difficult to train them against that.
@algaedrone18338 жыл бұрын
You should cover Attalus of Pergamon! He was Rome's earliest and strongest ally for a long time. He led a fascinating life - crushed the Galatians Celts, turned Pergamon from an insignificant city state into a regional superpower, was a huge patron of the arts, etc. He even gave from a Goddess as a gift (Cybele / Magna Mater), hoping to fulfill an ancient prophecy that would save Rome.
@NightShadowReal4 жыл бұрын
"This is a monster of a video - possibly my longest ever. " cute.
@Marc83Aus8 жыл бұрын
Part 1 was great! When are the other four 25 minute parts coming?
@jeropage957 жыл бұрын
Well, the Rohirrim weren't available by the time Theoden chose to shelter his reamining troops (really old men and young boys) at Helm's Deep, and even then his decision is questioned by Gandalf (the superior strategist, we all agree), so actually Helm's Deep sounds quite convincing and pretty realistic, for a fictional fantasy epic.
@joshbull66752 жыл бұрын
This is awkward. It's 2022. And still no hannibal. I do so love Loyd. But this is rather shameful.
@nikolastolar17888 жыл бұрын
WoW, I really enjoyed this video :) it was remarkably longer than a usual one and it made it so more fun to me :) you should do long videos at regular base :)
@peterjpuleo41337 жыл бұрын
I suspect these must have been Indian elephants because African elephants cannot be trained, nor domesticated, or so I have been told. African elephants will kick the ass of anyone who tries to tell them what to do.
@snakey934Snakeybakey7 жыл бұрын
Peter J Puleo the Carthaginians actually used the North African forest elephant, but like Greek fire and Damascus steel, the teqnique of taiming them was lost to history, and eventually, the North African forest elephant died out as well.
@Holy_hand-grenade6 жыл бұрын
Beni Habibi it’s also possible they used Syrian elephants, which were more closely related to Indian elephants.
@lolwutyoumad6 жыл бұрын
Different sort of elephant that has long been extinct possibly due to use in war and use in Roman games over centuries