The Falklands Conflict 1982 - was Britain really fighting all alone?

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The Falklands Conflict story is one of a brave nation fighting aggression all alone, but was Britain really totally alone?
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[@tricky1992000]

"The Falklands Conflict 1982 - was Britain really fighting all alone?" No I am pretty sure Argentina was involved too.

[@alanandconnielast]

The US were very much an ally. They provided much needed weapons to win the air battles and gave intel. Even offered to borrow a carrier if needed.

[@valleyshrew]

@@alanandconnielast They did far too little considering it was their fault in the first place. " Before the invasion, when Argentina’s leadership asked Reagan’s roving ambassador, Vernon Walters, what would happen if Argentina took the Falklands, he told them the British would “huff, puff and protest, and do nothing.”"

[@alanandconnielast]

@@valleyshrew Really? Where you get that info

[@valleyshrew]

@@alanandconnielast Why not google it if you want to know? I put it in quotes for a reason. www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/opinion/with-friends-like-these.html From before the NYT turned into Salon, it had some decent journalism.

[@alanandconnielast]

@@valleyshrew I did believe you, seemed realistic but had to provoke you as its still very unknown.

[@jidiaz96]

Britain: "Hey Chile, we need your help to fight a war" Chile: "I don't know, it doesn't sound like it's any of my business" Britain: "It's against Argentina" Chile: "Say no more, fam"

[@GeraltOfLibya]

Yes it was, we were about to be invaded by them lol

[@germansalamanca4579]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend That was the motto at the time Still remember .. Things had changed since and relationships improved enormously. Greetings from 🇨🇱

[@sumvs5992]

"We also have jet planes" "Ok you got me"

[@elias_xp95]

@@germansalamanca4579 The enemy of my enemy is my friend That was the motto at the time That is the motto today still my friend. Geopolitics is like a mexican standoff where everyone keeps switching who they're aiming at depending on the barrels pointed at them.

[@andyallen7437]

@@germansalamanca4579 good comment 👍🏼, greetings from England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@CaptHollister]

The fact that no one has ever hijacked a plane with a pair of nail scissors is a demonstration of the effectiveness of confiscating them at airport security.

[@charlesponsford6392]

Very good!

[@donweatherwax9318]

Yes, excellently reasoned. Now if you will excuse me, I must go out to my yard, and crack open another bottle of Elephant Repellent. [Great stuff! To date, 100% effective!]

[@thingsandstuffwithinmebrai5938]

@@donweatherwax9318 I was recently attacked by elephants bc I had no such repellent..... Lesson learned I suppose

[@claytonmontanez2262]

You mean nail clippers #alabama

[@AlexMoreno-zj7po]

TIL British people call nail clippers nail scissors

[@migaeldewet6074]

as a new Zealander we are very proud of our military sheep.

[@bensmall2602]

I want to like your comment but I also want it to be stuck at 69

[@AixlaachenPax1801]

Anyway Argentina was right to invade as it was French territory given to the Spanish it was never British so Former Spanish colony Argentina was right to claim the island back

[@typxxilps]

the best support you can get - green brown camouflaged sheeps

[@showmemoviesnow]

@@AixlaachenPax1801 There's always one.

[@markp6621]

Youre talking about the top secret Black Sheep program? ie. the program documented in tjat Peter Jackson documentary (trailer here on KZbin)?

[@josephhalbohn5962]

“What did the United Nations do about this? Nothing” History of the UN summarized

[@Full-stack33]

Nations United in their decision to do nothing useful.......business as usual.

[@BigHenFor]

@@Full-stack33 What would you expect it to do? Especially as the members of the Security Council ensure it stays compliant?

[@gorge2786]

BigHenFor you’re trying to tell me the security council maintained its compliance in acting against the interests of the security council, nice

[@danielrojas-db9nq]

South America didn't help Argentina either. only Peru provided some equipment to Argentina and they did it because they wanted a war against Chile next.

[@thekaiser4333]

Why on earth should the UN defend the dying and discredited concept of colonialism?

[@creepyunicornwithlazers3594]

Lindybeige: "Today I will talk about warfare." *Three hours later* Lindybeige: "And that is how matryoshka dolls are made!"

[@Blox117]

Lindybeige: "Today, I shall summarize British history into one hour!" *Next year* Lindybeige: "And that, children, is how thermodynamics ensures the heat death of the observable universe. By the way, did I mention..."

[@malusignatius]

I mean, where's the lie?

[@Rams495]

I don't care that there are more tangents in his videos than there are in an advanced geometry class.

[@UncleRice00]

Meh, real life is tangential as hell.

[@thadmeboy1129]

Love him or hate him hes spitting straight facts

[@RS-yb2ss]

This Guy is a classic British eccentric but could Listen to him all day. A Great Story Teller

[@soon2798]

Definitely, I really enjoy his way of telling a story.

[@begbeee]

I am curious about his point on Brexit.

[@markpaulo269]

reminds me of john cleese.

[@andyallen7437]

I wouldnt call him eccentric compared to others i know who i would call that , but i still find it interesting you think that just by his way of description, we use humour on so many levels here and this is an example of one , kind of old school British stiff upper lip with a slight tongue in the cheek , or as we also say 'taking the piss' a little 🤣

[@Nathan-yk5km]

@@begbeee he made a video about the EU before. Pretty sure his stance would be leave.

[@apurpleviolet6773]

As an Argentine, I really liked this video. I was born about 10 years after this happened but my mom and dad were both terrified of the junta and had friends 'disappeared' by the military on suspicions of communism. It's really nice to see a nuanced view from the other side. One of my favorite Argentine documentaries is about the conscripted young boys who had to leave the high desert in the north west, were rained for weeks and then shipped to the Falklands. Horrifying stuff. The saddest part is both nations have lost more soldiers of the conflict to suicide afterwards than to fighting the war.

[@cyberleaderandy1]

Great to see your thoughts on this. Even now mny in Argentina still support the Junta and their actions, no matter what they did or how many suffered.

[@CollinKillian]

Shouldn't have been dirty commies...

[@kenopsia6748]

si tus padres eran comunistas tan santitos no eran

[@87mits]

The irony of lindeybeige liking short stories

[@caveymoley]

Very good ;)

[@Therworldtube]

51:22 where is this footage?

[@vincedibona4687]

British nattering has been an offensive weapon for centuries.

[@mchagnon7]

He likes them because it gives him the opportunity to digress and make them longer.

[@samson_]

Yo dawg, we heard you like short stories so we put a short story inside your short story so you can learn while you learn.

[@claykanieski69]

Every time Lindy goes off on a tangent, I hear John Cleese: "And now for something completely different."

[@hachimanjiro]

Lmao,cheers mate!

[@gorraksmashskull]

It's about the same. I go from giggling to occasionally bursting into laughter, saying to myself "here we go" everytime!

[@ericgrajeda9916]

Sometimes the tangents are the most fascinating thing

[@jonshapcott5042]

Stop that! It's silly!

[@RenlangRen]

Get on with it!!!

[@xenosmoke8915]

I’m sure our man Lindybeige writes scripts for all his episodes but the fact that he constantly has to look up and struggle to remember things demonstrates that he doesn’t actually have his scripts in front of him when he’s recording. He talks for so long and so passionately about his subjects. Great stuff.

[@arcfalcon2003]

"a lot of argentinians have german surnames" well well well

[@Fernandwinnie]

A bit like the English Royal Family.

[@RobRoyBoaz]

Argentina at one time had its own Nazi movement, and was second only to that of Germany.

[@user-njyzcip]

You meant "vell vell vell"

[@johntillman6068]

He referred to Chileans with German and English names.

[@d.jparer5184]

@@Fernandwinnie Windsor?

[@edgeyt1]

I can remember Radio Moscow announcing that Britain had launched a nuclear attack on Argentina when the shooting started. Radio Moscow was a constant source of entertainment.

[@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093]

Before they changed their name to CNN.

[@za.monolit]

@@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 LOL

[@kmotch]

Not as far fetched as it sounds I know a guy who was military intelligence in the airforce and he confirmed that Thatcher had gone to defcon 1 ready to nuke Paris if they didn't give us the codes to us to disarm the French exsorset missiles. She was a women and couldn't be argued with so they handed em over. That's why the argues fired them but didn't detonate, this all happened after the Sheffield was bombed n it was realised that we'd loose the conflict if this didn't happen.

[@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093]

@@kmotch 100% pure BS.

[@kmotch]

@@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 constructive... I did prefix the account with it does sound far fetched.

[@christopherwoodbury7520]

The UN didn't just finger wag Argentina, they used their most powerful ability and wrote a strongly worded letter.

[@roosterbooster6238]

Christopher Woodbury sent first or second class?

[@tomservo5347]

LOL yes. The UN-our tax money sent to an international debating team with no backbone and no purpose.

[@Incarn]

Sadly the Strongly worded letter was vetoed for being a bit too strongly worded. After much work and deliberating, it was finally completed, approved and delivered in may 1998.

[@tomservo5347]

@@Incarn Haha so humorous in a very sad, truthful way. It's really the world's largest organized crime syndicate. I do not like how it's 'representatives' aren't elected at all but appointed by their country's governments. The EU is the same way and people cannot be properly represented by appointed bureaucrats but that's the idea. It's paving the way for a one-world government to which Britain and the US are the last obstacles, but rapidly getting gutted from the inside by their own treacherous politicians.

[@darkart7176]

As a Ukrainian, I can confirm that militaristic invaders with sick visions of grand conquests are positively terrified of UN's condemnation. We really grateful for every "deep concern" UN expressed si far and I am sure that any day now the security council will roll out its heavy artillery and express "VERY deep concern". Heh... UN would've been funny, if it wouldnt be so pathetically impotent in just about anything it supposed to do. What a farking joke......

[@jeremyclarke9883]

I was in the Australian Army during the Falklands War. I can assure you that the Australian Military were placed on much higher alert level with some units given notice to move orders.

[@andrewcombe8907]

Glad you didn’t go. Given the kit issued in 1982 you would have frozen to death.

[@ianhogben3472]

wouldn't have been fair on the poor conscripts to deploy Australians

[@guardian2-735]

Would "some units" be the SASR

[@EnglishScripter]

huh?@@ianhogben3472

[@craigross341]

I think it was pretty much an open secret in the early 80s that the Chileans were telling us every time the Argentine planes left, which is why a handful of Harriers with fancy American missiles were so effective. And of course that abandoned SAS raid had a plan to march out to Chile. So everyone knew.

[@willevans429]

actually thats right, from memory it took about three weeks for all of us to know

[@AixlaachenPax1801]

Anyway Argentina was right to invade as it was French territory given to the Spanish it was never British so Former Spanish colony Argentina was right to claim the island back

[@craigross341]

@@AixlaachenPax1801 Nonsense.

[@AixlaachenPax1801]

​@@craigross341 Read Malouines/Malvinas history you'll learn it for yourself

[@craigross341]

@@AixlaachenPax1801 😂

[@foxdieEU]

Spot this guy down the pub it would be the best value pint you ever bought someone.

[@robbiemify]

Yeah but you'd never be able to shut the dickhead up and you'd be bored to death within 2 nano seconds !!!!

[@paulhuston9991]

I described him as the professor in the scotch parlor after dinner. You know the one, the guy, had 2 jiggers of brandy and the manic discussions begin. The guy who earns his free drinks lol.

[@brutalnyas5639]

@@robbiemify ok

[@sumvs5992]

You know the history of beer is quite interesting its starts with...and that's how blimps are made!

[@paulhuston9991]

@@sumvs5992 aaaannnddd beer grains predates bread and vertical grains in written and archeology records by 2500 years easy lol, so basically stay drunk for 3k years and you make writing, law, governments, city planning and sliced bread lol. It helps the water in the city doesn't kill you when it's made into beer lol. Beer and its byproducts were so important to people that the shops captain logs on the Mayflower said they were short on all food stocks but especially beer so they have to stop at the large rock about 900mi not of where they wanted to be. Further, puritans, so tight nose they didn't have babies and died out, had a beer with a lighter alcahol content for their children explicitly. And bison was charged a fine because the city's main church was to far from the pub, by law, by a few feet which lead the city to pay and built a porch on the pub to avoid another fine. The pub and beer is incredibly important to America and humans as a species. It predated history and made it safe to drink water as well as alowing high levels of dietary access to molds like tetracycline, discovers as an antibiotic in 1946 but found in almost every mummy xrayed 3000yo or less due to bet consumption. Add well as many micro ams macro nutrients that wouldn't otherwise be available in their normal diet. Health, long life, medication, nutrition and major food stuff that predated missy of or civilizational milestones. Beer was a trade good and a payment method in many trades even into the early 20th century where your local black Smith would buy a drink after he got paid for his services. Ah beer, making babies, fat ladies, and saving marriages for over 5 thousand years.

[@raxsavvage]

interogator, talk brit, tell us what you know lindybeige - 872,644,302 tangents later interogator, i regret everything

[@Therworldtube]

51:22 where is this footage?

[@vincedibona4687]

British nattering has long been known as a highly offensive weapon; this shews its defensive capabilities, as well.

[@afrog2666]

hehehe, the interogator should have subscribed to a different channel then ;)

[@johnba291972]

@@Therworldtube not many had video recorders in those days so unlikely it was recorded and survived.

[@nk_3332]

Interrogator: 'Ve Hav Vays uv Making you Tok!' 872,644,302 tangents later Interrogator: 'Ve Hav Vays uv Making you Shtop Toking! I zink.'

[@jcwiggens]

“The underground fuel tanks were empty when the Task Force turned up in mid-April 1982,” recalls Major General Julian Thompson, then commanding the main Royal Marines assault force. The leading assault ship, HMS Fearless, did not have enough fuel to dock when it arrived off Ascension. The Americans diverted a supertanker to fill up the Navy’s tanks.

[@phillee2814]

And more AVTUR than the US thought it was possible for us to burn, at the rate of a tankerful per week, each one standing off as a floating fuel station while the RAF worked on emptying them. And the British accented technicians who descended on Vulcans in US museums wearing civvies to strip them for spares could not possibly have been members of the RAF. And of course, we certainly could never have had real-time view of all their satellite imagery. At least, not in a way that was not plausibly deniable. Even the Russians got in on the act - long before any of ours got there, the Argentine Navy was on high alert for subs, much to the surprise of the Royal Navy. Later a Russian attache in London said smilingly to one of our chaps at an embassy function "I do hope our submarines have been useful".

[@gerardosalazar527]

Thus violating the Interamerican Treaty of Mutual Assistance also known as Treaty of Rio as it was signed in Río de Janeiro in 1947.

[@lindascott1874]

Though the speaker said America did nothing, we didn't invoke Monroe doctrine

[@aramos3639]

@@gerardosalazar527 ​​⁠ well then the junta should have asked the us for help in… their invasion of someone’s foreign territory? Where in the treaty does it say the us should help someone invade the falklands because of a defensive treaty? You should try growling a brain

[@user-se7es6uc8v]

The US also supplied upgraded sidewinder missiles. On the other hand, the US tried hard to sabotage attempts by the UK to respond to the invasion and persuade parliament to ignore it and sacrifice the islanders, so a mixed bag really.

[@bcubed72]

I like how LB makes it sound like NZ was offering "military sheep."

[@danielclark-hughes692]

Never underestimate tactical sheep

[@Altinget]

@@danielclark-hughes692 Battle Sheeps. 🐏 🙄

[@nohjrd]

You'd say 'shups' if you were trying to caricature an NZ accent. "Sheeps" sounds more Australian.

[@rkeller1ify]

I’m pretty sure the Brits turned down the “tactical sheeps, after all no Welsh Regiments were involved.

[@davidhirst5426]

They were used as bettering rams.

[@darkknight1340]

The UN DID take affirmative action against Argentina,they told them not to do it again,very sternly.

[@nicolasgarcia8608]

and then the entire UN (exepct G.B. and USA) rule that UK should have diplomatic talks about that subject...of course UK never did it.

[@an_f-14_tomcat]

@@nicolasgarcia8608 judging by your comments, you seen to be an Argentinian. In which case, either learn what actually happened or piss off.

[@nicolasgarcia8608]

@@an_f-14_tomcat judging by your comments, you seen NOT to be an Argentinian. In which case, either learn what actually happened or piss off

[@an_f-14_tomcat]

@@nicolasgarcia8608 heh. I've seen some of the stuff Argentina is saying happened in the Falklands (not islas malvinas), it's wrong. Seriously. I would direct you to a video with what actually happened but we're in the comment section of one so clearly you just won't believe anyone. In which case, piss off. There's no reason for you to be in this comment section if you're just gonna not listen to anyone.

[@ppppugh7892]

They were known throughout the world as very naughty boys.

[@cesarvidelac]

I am chilean, I was alive by that time also (11 years old). Chilean involvement was supposed to be secret but we knew and Argentinians knew, but to avoid a direct conflict nobody said anything. Much interesting video, finally we got the details! My best regards.

[@Cocytus1302till1321]

From what I've heard it simply made too much for the two nations to work together. It's not that the secret wasn't well guarded, but it was already bluntly stated that after the Falklands South Chile would be next. And it was obvious Britain could do with any support for it's airforce. Was that the general impression of the public?

[@maty3950]

se dice Argentinians? hm mira vos, uno aprende algo nuevo cada dia. Pero no sería sin la A mayúscula? porque digo, es un gentilicio.

[@cesarvidelac]

@@maty3950 Lo siento, estoy viendo mucho star trek :D XD

[@cesarvidelac]

@@Cocytus1302till1321 I remember that the crisis with Argentina was before the Falklands, but it was logical that they was going to try again based on the results against the british, and yes, it was not a well guarded secret indeed.

[@asgardwolf9312]

En inglés los gentilicios van con mayúscula

[@marcuse9011]

My father was a logistic officer in the Swedish army and was delivering BV 202 to the Britisch in this war. My father love to tell the story that the britisch always bought him a beer when he told them that he was one of the officer who brought them the wagons.

[@malsmonty]

Hey Marcus, I used the Hagland BV 206 while there in 1983,grat bit of kit!!!

[@michaelhoyt1473]

All History Lessons should be this fun. Brilliant mate. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Well done

[@markhingst5368]

Dont ever apologize for your going on a tangent from a tangent, my mind feels right at home listening to these.

[@Gloops01]

The biggest conundrum is why the Kiwis offered support in a South African accent?

[@lindybeige]

I recently heard a Kiwi say 'bid', 'bed', and 'bead' indistinguishably.

[@bilalkhalid266]

Lindybeige wow 😮

[@cujotwentysix7519]

South Africans don't use the "ee" sound in "ship"? The accents of Anglo South Africans and New Zealanders are similar, though :P

[@QlueDuPlessis]

New Zealanders kinda sound like Joburg Jollers!. :p

[@Chilukar]

Gloops01 nahh South African would be iccent, in kiwi its accint.

[@MrJodete23]

Funny how the tables turn. Now the Chilean Military is one of the most advanced in the continent. And the Argentinian Military can barely function...

[@ShinigamiInuyasha777]

Really? Chilean army has one key advantage, publicity. This guy imported COVID to the White Continent, but they covered it rather fast...

[@theeyeballthatcameoutofthe5268]

argentina itself cant function at all

[@elizanieman5576]

🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱

[@ben3129]

chilie's always had a good military has it not? from the war in the pacific

[@snickle1980]

😐Play nice down there, fellow westerners. I think this century is the one we'll all have to come together. There may not be a great deal of love for the US these days, but as the sun sets on this empire, we'll all have to manage to make it work. We'll be playing a much smaller role on the global stage and Our interests are naturally going to turn towards our own geographical area, after all...We're going to start focusing on our good friends to the south. 😀 In a handful of generations, I could easily imagine massive infrastructure and trade network improvements, connecting North and South America in an expanded Commonwealth of Nations. Something MUCH more cohesive than what we have now. A vast trade network spanning both continents, with the EU as solid allies. 😀You'll get to work alongside the British again! I'm sure this is going to be a hassle for everyone involved, including us (considering the costs) but our great great grandchildren will all profit greatly from this.

[@stewal6835]

I have a lot of time for the Chilians and knew of their assistance during the conflict. I always buy their wine and apples when I see them in the supermarket!

[@sanos999]

I want to visit Chile at some point. Such an interesting country!

[@a2falcone]

We're "Chileans", though. But thank you.

[@RobRoyBoaz]

What? The Chileans or the wine and apples?

[@jamessinclair1928]

Jolson

[@samuelortiz3641]

Ustedes son grandes guerreros y, tambien destaco sus hermosas mujeres. Gracias por comprar nuestros vinos y manzanas!!

[@PaulMurrayCanberra]

"he was only chosen because he was well connected" the *reason* he was well-connected is that on previous occasions he had been competent and trustworthy.

[@monkeyman8283]

An hour long lindybeige video, is it Christmas already?

[@michaeldmingo1525]

Christmas in July. Finally.

[@Kriegter]

Yes

[@richardduplessis1090]

It's around 45 minutes too long

[@foty8679]

@@richardduplessis1090 Lol. What are you talking about? His videos cant be to long!

[@martinda7446]

Oh no! Socks again.

[@Ryan-ug8pr]

I worked with an ex NZDF soldier late last year and he told me that when the war started between UK and Argentina ,our entire DF was kitted up and ready to 2000 Soldiers out on the pad waiting to be transported to port via trucks, then they recieved some good news. Everyone here was quite happy about that. Fun fact. Even today the entire NZDF can fit on our navy. As our forces are designed to be a QRF anywhere in the South Pacific or for home D. We're still one of the most readily deployable forces in the world from the moment we get a call to the moment ships start leaving port. In fact most of our frigates have as more space for troops than armaments. And watch out Lindy. Google maps has since deleted San Felix Island. a.k.a Not-a-super-secret-Chilean-airbase

[@st8319]

Hahaha nice one mate

[@JohnMiller-zr8pl]

not war, conflict.

[@patrickharper6418]

It was no secret that the Chileans did assist the task force with intelligence information.

[@shadowrunner2510]

Kiwis are awesome, nicest people I've ever met, also dope to know your DF is well oiled, much respect

[@RoadRunnerLaser]

This conflict happened in my childhood, too. I remember it quite well. I knew nothing of the involvement of Chile, though. This was quite an interesting and enlightening presentation.

[@terrybrigden7605]

Our greatest friends in Portugal gave us help as always... Invoking the Treaty of Windsor over 600 years old we were allowed use of the air base in the Azores.

[@thomascrabtree]

Not just that but the Royal Navy doesn't use nuclear engines in many ships like the US does as it would prevent them porting at many Commonwealth ports (for example New Zealand bans any nuclear powered vessels from it's waters), so many ships would have been unable to even reach the Falkland Islands in the first place without refuelling capability in the Azores.

[@lesliefranklin1870]

@@thomascrabtree: Nuclear powered ships need to be refueled much less often. They could have made the round trip without refueling at all.

[@randomdude4136]

@@thomascrabtree Nah i mean it would have been harder but Britain had a fleet of refueling ship which would have done just fine, also all destroyers and carriers of the time were fully capable of sailing to Falklands on one "tank" of fuel although they will need fuel for the trip back.

[@gordonlawrence4749]

@@randomdude4136The thing that often gets forgotten is that the US had three of their biggest oilers and av-tur (jet fuel) transports down there topping up our tanks on the quiet. It was all extremely peculiar. The French "refused" to get involved and sold them more Exocet's and "forgot" to give them the arming codes and took their technicians elsewhere. The US supplied us tens of thousands of tons of fuel, and other things. It was all a bit peculiar.

[@stevejones1085]

@@gordonlawrence4749 France is like that

[@LostShipMate]

Your telling me the UN did nothing? That doesn't sound like UN to me.

[@eoinsweetman9263]

Lol

[@khadrtrudeau1662]

Sometimes doing nothing is good. Cease fire was passed, problem came down to Argentina wanting to stay on the Island well the negotiations drag on for 60 years.

[@sogghartha]

The UN only does something when they country doing something 'wrong' is not white. Look at all the actions in Africa. Oh and they also turn a blind eye when oil is involved, e.g. Saudi Arabia.

[@Walter-wo5sz]

The UN is truly worthless.

[@Y.M...]

Can confirm, I do nothing, always.

[@UCN2027]

Very respectfull report and with interesting facts . Greetings from an Argentine historian PD : the military junta didnt fall because of the war . It actually stayed in power 1 year and a half more after the end of war . It went out of office because of inflation rates and econonic recession

[@nodiggity9472]

If the Falklands had fallen, followed by a successful invasion of Chile, he'd probably still be in power today. And Argentina would have had a period of affluence and prosperity instead of that recession. Instead, that dreadful Harpy in Westminster secured a second term for herself, which she used to completely dismantle the British coal, shipbuilding, and manufacturing industries, and tossed a whole generation of British working class kids onto the economic scrapheap.

[@kgs42]

In fact, the Americans gave us every support they were asked for, most notably as many of the latest, greatly improved, Sidewinders as we wanted. They were critical to our success in the air fighting. Other countries, including France worked hard to prevent Argentina from getting any more Exocet sea-skimming missiles. They had five and took out three ships. Two were fired into the Atlantic Conveyor. We had no real defence from them as we had taken the Ark Royal out of service shortly before, with its Gannet Airborne Radar aircraft - and supersonic, long-range, well radar equipped, four Sidewinder-armed Phantoms.

[@nzgunnie]

The US did not 'give' Britain the latest Sidewinders. Britain had already purchased them, the delivery was simply expedited.

[@kgs42]

@@nzgunnie Not exactly so. The UK air forces knew of them but Casper Weinburger expressly said, "You can have what you want", and allowed the flow to be as free as possible. They were delivered to Ascension and many crates of them were loaded on to the Atlantic Conveyor. The 9Ls were a game changer.

[@kgs42]

@@nzgunnie The ‘problem’ that the Task Force had with the Sidewinder missiles was that the AIM-9L versions that were taken to the Falklands were from NATO ‘war stocks’ held by the United Kingdom. As I understand it these were not supposed to be used unless NATO officially sanctioned their issue. The United States ‘supplied’ AIM-9L missiles from their own stock to replace the missiles taken with the Task Force (possibly one-hundred missiles but I could be wrong there); I don’t think that this even required any US AIM-9L missiles to be moved, they were just ‘allocated’ to the NATO war stocks.

[@mamavswild]

And also…did British REALLY need our help?!! (The US)….all we would do was aggravate the situation and raise its profile to the point where even more nations might be involved and our presence would have introduced the presence of other, unsavory characters who would use the unrest for their own gain such as China, Cuba and the USSR. It was much better we kept the conflict as regional as possible and this is exactly what Reagan told thatcher. Now, if Britain REALLY couldn’t even beat the likes of Argentina then yes, eventually we would’ve stepped in but we are a double edged sword due to our size and profile/

[@wardygrub]

Why didn’t they get the Arc Royal out of the shed and send her down to mop up?

[@drakesavory2019]

I believe Portugal assisted the UK under the terms of the oldest alliance treaty in effect.

[@oligultonn]

Legends.

[@tombrydson781]

Drake Savory long live Portugal

[@Nitro_Blitzen]

Late but they did indeed Ye glorious lads~

[@swedishviking4086]

I would love to hear Lloyd to speak about the actual fighting on the Falklands, such as Goose Green and the Landings at San Carlos

[@emilianosanchez8155]

Jag háller med dig!!

[@harbl99]

Be honest. You just want to hear the Lindybeige version of the Top Malo outhouse story.

[@swedishviking4086]

@@harbl99 Yes I do! Dont tell anyone tho!

[@emilianosanchez8155]

@Warbel jag skrev från ett Internet café i Sydamerika så att man måste improvisera lite

[@peterking2651]

Unfortunately either he doesn’t know, or can’t speak to it

[@mrk8050]

My Father was a Senior Officer in Her Majesty's Royal Marine Commandos from 1940 till 1981, before that in 1938 he had joined up and become an Anti Aircraft gun loader, he was lucky and escaped from Dunkirk. Before he knew it he was sent to Scotland and joined what was then just called Commandos. He retired in 1981 after Serving at NATO H.Q. in Brussels, Belgium. Two weeks after he retired he co-signed my paperwork for me to follow in the family tradition by joining Her Majesty's Royal Marine Commandos on my 17th birthday. Making me the youngest of his son's to join the RMC, and my older sister who had joined Royal Military Medical Corp as a ‎Trauma and General Surgeon who operated on me three times in my career. After 32 weeks of basic training, 16 weeks of Arctic and Survival training I was sent with part of my Regiment 42 Commando, to the Falkland Islands in 1982, when Argentina invaded the Falklands and other British territories in the South Atlantic. At about on the 21st of May at 1am we landed at Fanning Head, about 1 to 2 miles from San Carlos in company strength, we had rowed our rubber landing boats to keep the element surprise on our side. After organising in pitch black conditions, we quietly spread out to cover the main landing force from counter attack, and to take out any enemy lookouts. After the main landing force had achieved a successful base of Operations we were relieved. We kitted up at about 4pm, we were carrying about 100lbs per man plus our weapons and ammunition, about 30 more pounds, and we started the 'yomp' (march) to find the enemy. The reason we had to move on foot was because the vast majority of our transport helicopters were lost when the Atlantic Conveyor was sunk, we only had 1 Chinook. After several small engagements, mainly hastily arranged enemy traps or Farm buildings, we joined up with the Gurkha's just south of Mt. Kent. There we had our first hot meal since our insertion at Goose Green. I never knew you could be that exhausted, all of our feet were rotting and split from the thick boggy terrain we had been through in freezing weather, but we had covered between 55 to 60 miles. After a 12 hour rest on freezing rocks, we attacked the south of Mt. Harriet while the Gurkha's launched a fierce attack howling at the Argentinian positions. Oh yeah, so they don't throw a hissy fit, 45 Commando attacked Two Sisters Ridge too apparently. After a few more hours we moved west with the Gurkha's and gave cover support to the Scots Guards attacked the enemy on Mt. Tumbledown, after a vicious gun and hand to hand battle the last of the Argentinian forces retreated to their last defensive positions. Along with the Scots, Gurkha's and some Paras, we then set ourselves ready just south of Sapper Hill and waited for the order to come to finish off the enemy outside Stanley. We could almost taste the relief when they surrendered on the 14th of June after 5 days of exchanges, some very intense. I sat on a pavement in Stanley having my feet treated by a medic and a young girl (about 12) when 3 of my brothers came and sat beside me. One of my brothers jabbed me in the ribs as we smoked, I felt a sharp pain, the medic checked my ribs and discovered I had been lucky and only received a graze from an enemy bullet. My brother started laughing, and told me I'd finally lost my virginity. After returning back in the U.K. we stayed at our Parents and spent at least a week drinking before re-joining our Regiments. I served in the Royal Marine Commandos and other more specialised groups until 2015 before having my career ended in Afghanistan. I now am nearly dependant on a wheelchair, but life is still good. I have PTSD and depression. But I have 3 children and 5 grand children. So life is better than I deserve. As a fighting force and National Military, we had achieved something that no other Western Armed Forces could have under the same extreme operational conditions.

[@joman563]

Thank you very much for telling your story and for your sacrifices. You’re a hero. For me, for the Falkland Islanders and for everyone who believes that the Falkland Islanders are the rightful and only owners of their islands. I wished we could show our eternal gratitude to you with something more than words.

[@robertmarsh3588]

Great video! I never knew this history. I remember being riveted to those news programmes and horrified by the appalling loses, whilst also being aware that things could have been so much worse. Once again though we hear of the huge consequences of small incidents like poor weather, or the involvement of a single person. Hearing of Chile's involvement makes me think of the famous quote "my enemy's enemy is my friend". Chile was indeed a good friend to the UK, and happily remains so today. Whilst tensions aren't so great in South America these days (and relations with Argentina are better), I hope this relationship continues.

[@acarrot9868]

Pope Paul VI: **Dies before being able to yell at Argentina** Pope Jean Paul: **Dies immediately before being to yell at Argentina** God: *_Fine, I'll do it myself_*

[@facundocadaa9020]

God starts the search for the infinity Stones

[@elloco121212]

And the pope NOW. where is he from?

[@facundocadaa9020]

@@elloco121212 Pancho I papa, es argentino

[@collomps]

Now the Pope can yell to himself. Convenient!

[@elloco121212]

@@facundocadaa9020 I know, So to all of the ones that supported POPE Jhon Paul 2 when he said the Ilands were British, WOULD the BRITISH support The Present POPE if He says they are ARGENTINIAN? because he thinks they are...

[@DRNewcomb]

When NATO was formed many counties didn't want to be dragged into potential colonial conflicts in far-flung corners of the world, so they limited the NATO area of interest to the North Atlantic region. The first time NATO acted outside this region is in Afghanistan.

[@tobediv]

great so nato is even MORE useless

[@anthonyoer4778]

@@tobediv NATO was an Anti-Soviet coalition. Thankfully never was used in conflict but used throughout the Cold War.

[@falconJB]

Yep, if the Brits want to beat up smaller nations to keep their ill-gotten gains then can do it them selves why should everyone else get dragged into it just so the Brits can be lazy.

[@Chilukar]

And even then it was because of an attack within the North Atlantic area. If Argentina had tried to blow up British aircraft carriers in their home ports I think it would have been a different issue.

[@ancientmariner7473]

J B What do MEANS by that statement, beat up smaller countries? Did Argentina not invade a county of people's far smaller? Did Britain give the argies plenty of time to fuck off or die? What's your fuckin problem sunshine?

[@timblack6422]

I was in an intelligence unit of the Air Force at that time... I’m glad you mentioned our sat photo help during this conflict

[@corsai7506]

You should tell us how you helped win the war…..lol

[@timblack6422]

@@corsai7506 🤔

[@corsai7506]

Go on tell us?

[@timblack6422]

@@corsai7506 😂😂

[@7Hellzz]

So only Chile, U.S.A and New Zealand helped Britain.

[@LocutusBorgOf]

As an Argentinian watching a KZbin channel that often talks about 20th century military history, this is the video I've been waiting to see. As the other Argentinian said, I need my pop corn now

[@LocutusBorgOf]

@Colin Cleveland I wish that could be a rematch, but the current manegerial stage of Argentinian football leaves much to be desired. No doubt that would be a hell of a match though

[@jonpaulcer3128]

Que hacés boludo?

[@ianhaynes5898]

My uncle was there in the Fuerza Aérea Argentina. He made it on TV a few years ago talking about his experiences back in 1982.

[@emilianosanchez8155]

The same thing here. As an Argentinian i saw this comming for years!! I tought that the video would be a little bit different but i do like this video so keep the good work running lindy!! PS see you britts at the world cup :p

[@claudiodiaz9752]

Brazilian here. I have been to Argentina and Chile a few times. Great video, I had no idea so much was going on during this period.

[@newdrug1880]

Moral of the story: Befriend a military dictatorship

[@ratflakes3135]

Amen

[@foximacentauri7891]

@Josh Asia?

[@ancaplanaoriginal5303]

Never go to war against Israel

[@chaipup7045]

and support Apartheid. Worked ok for Thatcher.

[@vanpallandt5799]

UK already had a strong relationship with Chile though esp the south of Chile

[@SorryIwasntListening]

Just found your channel - epic! a one hour, single take, no edit lecture and as interesting as it gets... SUBSCRIBED!

[@LPChipi]

As an Argentine, I was a bit hesitant about this video. The "Malvinas War" (yes, not technically a war, but still what it is called here) is a bit of a sensitive topic for the nation as you might imagine. Also, I know Lloyd is very patriotic and I don't blame him. However, halfway through the video and this is so far a very balanced military analysis. Kudos! A hard balance to strike

[@mawashi-geri6162]

As a Kiwi, I was thoroughly amused by your attempted accent. Haha

[@Philotus]

I thought it was South African.

[@BomChickyBowWow]

“I’m wurried about Brit. He may be did.” - Murray Hewitt

[@grizzlygrizzle]

Oh, those colonial accents all sound the same.

[@Phantomrasberryblowe]

Whitepromethium Lindybeige aims to please!

[@mawashi-geri6162]

@@grizzlygrizzle Why you! We don't all sound the same, definately sound different from those aussies and south africans. /s

[@TheCaptScarlett]

I understood Portugal (our oldest alliance) offered help through use of bases in the Azores.

[@paulmccloud9395]

@Gar Yes that's true. They were the first to offer assistance.

[@filipinorutherford7818]

Talking about allies I had a chat with a former 3rd Royal Australian Regiment (3RAR) paratrooper who stated when the Falklands Conflict was on that they had been called up ready to go. He said all leave was cancelled and everyone had to return to base ASAP and that no one, even their family where not to be told that they were getting ready to parachute into the Falklands. He was a young lad probably in his late teens early 20s and he thought this was 'the real deal.' They were going to fly to the Falklands by leapfrogging from airport to airport, air refueling and then ultimately to parachute down to help the British. It got as far as to his whole battalion being gunned up in full kit waiting on the runway for the green light to go. All of a sudden the operation was cancelled because the Argentinians had surrendered. No one explained if it was just a training exercise or it was for real. The general public did not know about this. Not sure if this was just a furphy but imagine if the aussies had joined?

[@CristianValenzuela2155]

I am glad I've joined this conversation. Well, monologue. But an interesting one! Saludos from Chile

[@jbperrinnl]

Technically, the NATO alliance obliges members to protect each other only for attacks in the Northern Hemisphere. The USA didn't want to be involved in the colonial empires of France and the UK, so the NATO charter explicitly excludes anything South of the tropics.

[@khadrtrudeau1662]

Casper Wienburger backed Britain 100 %. State Dept. tried to remain neutral. Regan was just disgusted.

[@aramfingal5180]

It's even more restrictive -- only Europe, North America, and islands in the Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer. It wouldn't even apply to an attack on Hawaii.

[@studinthemaking]

Didn’t know that.

[@bobbytables464]

@@googel0909 Oh look you put parentheses around the Jewish person's name. Nazi asshat.

[@GonTar_X]

You got a point there Jean Baptiste. Who would want to aid the UK or any Country into enforcing colonial Empires around the globe.

[@danielbat9887]

NATO had legal grounds to not get involved in the war. Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that a country must be attacked IN Europe or North America. Article 6 makes an explicit exception in European or North American islands north of the Tropic of Cancer. The Falklands were not encompassed by any requirements of the Treaty. And tbf, i don't think the Bits would jump to help the French in defending Réunion or other god forgotten island in the Indian Ocean.

[@lindybeige]

Well, not the French, obviously, but if the Spaniards had a dictator who decided to invade Svalbard, we'd be there (weather permitting)!

[@richarddawson2268]

@Daniel Why should we? We helped the French during both world wars..

[@danielbat9887]

@@richarddawson2268 i think the Bits were motivated more by hate towards the Germans than friendship with the French. And c'mon, who doesn't like to kick some German ass from time to time.

[@ralfrude3532]

@@danielbat9887did you take an extra sip of ressentiments this morning?

[@bostedtap8399]

@@danielbat9887 Family feud perchance, ref Royal houses of Europe (including Russia).

[@ErikDB6]

This might be the best channel on KZbin. My first of his videos, and I’m deeply impressed by his knowledge. How have I missed this? Subscribed.

[@hangriat9376]

Buckle in. You’ll rewatch every video over and over again

[@whalleyinferno2966]

Thank you for making this very informative video and might I add, I absolutely love your delivery! 👊😉

[@chipsthedog1]

Thank you Chile! Any Chilean reading this first of all Thank you from a grateful Brit, secondly I promise from now on I will support Chile in any football match as long as your not playing any of the British teams or Ireland.

[@chileanguyfleegman1908]

to be honest, Chile did it for self-preservation, the argies chanted "first the English and then the Chileans". we would've been tremendously stupid by not being ready to thwart those plans.

[@sirderam1]

@@chileanguyfleegman1908 It doesn't really matter why you did it, every country has to consider its own interests in these matters, we still appreciate the help anyway. Oh, and your wine is good too!

[@alanandconnielast]

The US were very much an ally. They provided much needed weapons to win the air battles and gave intel. Even offered to borrow a carrier if needed.

[@FutHDChannel]

@@alanandconnielast Without of the help of Chile, England doesnt win the war

[@alanandconnielast]

@@FutHDChannel Why what do you think Chile did that to gain the British victory? Even the US did not do anything that gave the British the victory. The only chance Argentina has was with the Air force to stop the ships but even with out-numbering the British small fleet of Harriers, they lost. And on the ground, there is no solder better than the British soldier, its was a wipe out.

[@stephenduffy5406]

Correction: Pope John Paul was succeeded by Pope George Ringo.

[@davidkanengieter]

He was the only Pope to meet Prime Minister Richard Starkey.

[@philipmalaby8172]

Not a lot of people know that.

[@vincedibona4687]

That's very droll.

[@hally13uk]

Not many know that Pope George Ringo was canonized as the patron saint of getting help from your friends.

[@digitalnomad9985]

@@hally13uk That could have been anybody.

[@vlnow]

Lindybeige is like that guy who corners you near the fridge at a party and tells you long stories. Except his stories are actually fascinating.

[@kevinshort3943]

The Belgrano was one side of a pincer attack, the other one being a carrier task force. An RN Sub chased the carrier task force all the way back to port.

[@ethanryan5299]

RIP to all the welsh guards that were killed on the Sir Galahad 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@timoakes450]

WENT ABOARD THIS SIR BOAT FOR SUNDAY LUNCH 1980-STEP FATHER-1st ELEC RFA went to Falklands in 1982 his pay check from MOD NAVY FOR MAY/JUNE has him listed on compliment for Sir Galahad but was on RFA Regent during the conflict!!!Very lucky escape for him-god bless Welsh Guards TOMMY27

[@Digmen1]

yes that was very sad.

[@ethanryan5299]

tim oakes Happy to hear your step-father made it out alive he was lucky man

[@carlgriffiths8482]

@Mayoforsam well the IRA were quite happy to take American money

[@rikwilliams6352]

@James Konzek Respect back to you, from a British Army Veteran,

[@MilStdNZ]

Thank you for acknowledging our contribution and offer of help. It means a lot. Thank you. A kiwi.

[@bernardedwards8461]

In those days New Zealand had a decent navy, but its navy today is a joke. Singapore, which has about the same population, has a navy 12 times as strong as New Zealand's! So your country is not in any position to make a useful contribution to the South China Sea confrontation, while the Australian navy is almost as strong as ever and getting stronger. You should tell your government to pull its finger out and try to compete with Singapore.

[@NighthawkNZ]

@@bernardedwards8461 we had a better navy back in 1982... what planet are you from... We had four clapped out, under armed old leanders with old tech from the 1960's... and I do know this as I served on them. The current ANZAC's are in Canada getting full upgrades nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defence/251-what-upgrades-are-our-frigates-getting HMNZS Te Kaha is due back this year and Te Mana next year. Have new tanker with twice (if not 3 times) the capability of the old, nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defence/2973-royal-new-zealand-navy-s-newest-vessel-hmnzs-aotearoa-arrives-in-auckland And we now have the ability to transport troops and equipment, never had that before which in the next 10 years will be enhanced again with a second Enhanced Sealift Vessel with more than a 1 billion dollars being spent on the vessel. nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defence/89-options-for-the-nzdf-and-rnzn-2nd-enhanced-sealift-vessel HMNZS Manawanui III as way more capable than her predecessor and is Littoral operations vessel Hydrographic and diving supportThe OPV's do their job and a third one is coming dedicated to patrol the Southern Ocean. Which was what the frigates use to do and now just done by the OPV's. Allowing the frigates to do other tasking. Singapore is in a totally different situation can't really compare.

[@bernardedwards8461]

@@NighthawkNZ I'm not talking about ANZACs, I'm talking about New Zealand. Australia has a decent navy which is being rapidly reinforced. The current NZ navy is pathetic, so pathetic that it could not possibly have been worse in 1982. There was a time when NZ had a good navy and more than pulled her weight on the international scene, but that time is long since past. Yes you're right, Singapore is in different circumstances, it is about 3,000 miles closer to China and surrounded by potentially hostile Muslim states, but that's no excuse for NZ not pulling its weight. Singapore has a closely similar population, but its navy is not twice as strong as NZs, nor ten times as strong, it's actually 12 times as strong!. I'm glad to hear that NZ will soon upgrade its navy, because the present situation is disgraceful. Before the advent of the new carriers, the Royal Navy was also in a sorry state, and even now is nothing like as good as it should be (UK population = 13 X NZ population). The new carriers are nothing like as good as they should be, but what can you expect? They were designed by a group of empty headed politicians who were quite happy to spoil the ships for a ha'porth of tar. We even have to borrow most of our aircraft from the Americans! Fortunately Australia can provide a few escort vessels.

[@NighthawkNZ]

@@bernardedwards8461 "Not talking about the ANZAC's" but they are part of the New Zealand Navy... so ... which is what you were talking about...???? You do know they are ANZAC class frigates right???

[@bernardedwards8461]

@@NighthawkNZ No. New Zealand forces are part of ANZAC, not the other way around. As always, the greater part of ANZAC forces are Australian, which is what might be expected seeing that Australia is a much larger country (Australia = 6 x population of NZ).

[@nobody6546]

Very Well Organized & Presented Video! I Especially liked your personal/ Side Historical notes and facts throughout! Thanks. Subscribed.

[@stephenblack8919]

Imagine this guy being your teacher. What a great fella. 👌🏻

[@markhadley1545]

If I remember correctly, The USA covered the UK's NATO obligations in Europe for missiles and ammunition freeing up UK equipment to be used in the Falklands not unlike what New Zealand did with ships. I remember that the US public generally favored the UK at the time. At least I remember seeing a lot of "Falk Argentina" bumper stickers.

[@chriskerwin3904]

Reagan actually offered the Brits a US Fleet carrier to borrow if one of their carriers were to be destroyed.

[@ianbetz5076]

The US allowed British ships to use the naval base at Charleston, SC. Not sure about other US bases but there were a lot of British sailors on the base.

[@jugganaut33]

And released aim 9L’s to the harriers. That were more modern and didn’t actually fit. So British sailors had to take hacksaws to the missiles before mounting them. Though it’s argued the CIA and backing of the military junta. Was to cause for the targeting of the Falklands. With reason to believe “Britain can’t defend the Falklands” or simply wouldn’t bother. So yes.. a best friend when shit hits the fan. But... maybe also the reason?

[@Phenom98]

@@jugganaut33 interesting... After all, the US knows how to cover shenanigans up.

[@Jin-Ro]

So we lose 700 men helping the Americans in their two recent wars, and America held our coat in the Falklands war. Cowards.

[@JorgeUribe]

That helicopter was found near my city. It landed near a boarding school a few km away from here and it was burned by the crew. Then, they walked into the city. [Edit - 31.07.2019] More on operation Mikado and the helicopter that landed in Chile can be seen on the new video "SAS Raid - Argentina 1982" on the "Mark Felton Productions" channel, posted today. My city (Punta Arenas) is shown in the maps there. Regards from Chilean Patagonia.

[@keithjones3356]

That helicopter was prepped on HMS Hermes. Its role was a secret but we all knew what it was being prepped for!

[@sunnyjim1355]

Interesting. But thanks, I don't follow 'Mark Felton Productions' because he actually celebrates women being killed through fighting in war as if that's something a civilization should be proud of. Only Communists do that; trick women into dying rather than having children, and then lauding them. It's a subversive and dysfunctional viewpoint, yet Felton loves it.

[@pinoarias8601]

@@sunnyjim1355 lol what's wrong with women being killed in war?? Also, if the men are killed how can the women have children???

[@javier.escanilla833]

I don't know but I like the uk, greetings from Chile 🇨🇱

[@willevans429]

well, i dont know either, but thanks anyway Chile seems pretty cool as well

[@Archer-op9cp]

we like you too

[@andoapata2216]

Always remember :the UK till 1982 was pretty happy selling Argentina its best weapons because they assumed they would be used to kill chileans ,those are your "friends"

[@jesgaijen823]

@@andoapata2216 hasta cierto punto podrias imaginar a UK como ese amigo cuyo hermano le debes pasta

[@vanpallandt5799]

@@andoapata2216 the UK sold weapons to both..its called the world of geo politics

[@maxflight777]

Love all your videos, esp the candid thoughts about your school! Very best wishes and a huge thank you.

[@riotact9718]

An hour of Lindybeige! This is the long form content i subscribed for PS: New Zealand doesnt have ships, they have shups

[@lindybeige]

I was once talking to a Kiwi who said 'bid linnin' several times before I realised she meant 'bed linen'.

[@orkstuff5635]

They got loads of ships, shear 'em every spring.

[@saltyspaceman5697]

@@lindybeige Thats funny. I spoke to someone who was English and spoke English and he said " I don't know naffink innit, you know wo'i'mean" Turns out he meant " I don't know anything (isn't it???), do you now what I mean?" You guys invented the language , Its about time some of you learned how to speak it.

[@jimheaton9503]

Yebbut thass just, like, an isolated example innit m8.In point of fact, I cannot agree with your sentiment since some of us can make a reasonable attempt at English. That's some, not all, sadly.Was his hat on the wrong way round and had he stolen the trousers of a differently sized man? I find these are bad indicators.

[@vivaprez]

some parts of New Zealand say “ships bro”

[@techgeekout]

The one thing I'd add on to you talking about NATO's lack of help, aside from the US backing the junta, is because of NATO Article 6: "Article 6 states that the treaty covers only member states' territories in Europe and North America, and islands in the North Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer, plus French Algeria." IIRC it was written to prevent the US having to defend everyone's colonies after the 40s.

[@fenhen]

I didn’t know that, thank you.

[@lostcause78]

Makes it even more ridiculous that NATO entered Afghanistan.

[@ekevanderzee9538]

@@lostcause78 no, the argument was that the U.S.A was attacked in New York. Doesn' make any more semse, but no less either.

[@EdMcF1]

Indeed, it is 'NATO' not 'SATO'. The reason it went to Afghanistan was due to an attack in the NATO area, 9/11. Co-incidentally, 28 years before to the day, Pinochet overthrew Allende in Chile.

[@Legitpenguins99]

Thank you, I figured something like that was up. Considering how helpful Britain had been to us Americans i figured at least my country would have done something to help otherwise

[@timmo491]

Its not regrettable at all that the Belgrano was sunk. We didnt start the hostilities, and the threat to our assets got destroyed.

[@johnjamesflashman6856]

Let us not forget over 500 British servicemen gave their lives and many more were injured. There were three female islanders killed as well.

[@timmo491]

@@johnjamesflashman6856 quite

[@andybrennand1576]

It was tough shit. Simple as that.

[@twokool4skool129]

British Empire: "How dare you invade us!" Everyone else: "First time?"

[@Porkcylinder]

No, far far from it. Not up on your history are you

[@gavinleask4261]

Not very good at history are you !

[@BobHutton]

Australia did help a bit. We let Britain pull out of the sale of HMS Invincible. Britain had agreed to the sale shortly before the invasion. (it was to be renamed HMAS Australia).

[@Damo2690]

Well Britain had the ship, so Australia didn't have much choice over the matter

[@Colonel_Overkill]

Ironically enough Argentina saved the Royal Navy from death by politician.

[@getlost6998]

@@Colonel_Overkill Temporarily maybe. Look at the Royal Navy now. :(

[@Colonel_Overkill]

@@getlost6998 the proposed plan was to decommission all RN surface ships and rely on submarine assets only. Any surface assets were to be supplied by NATO. So yea, the RN is in poor shape but nowhere near as bad as it could have been.

[@gordonlawrence4749]

@@Colonel_OverkillI think that they only delayed it's death. We have a paltry number of frigates at the moment (19) and only 6 cruisers. The policing we do needs double that easily.

[@SantiagoAriasEskapa]

Lindybeige....what a great great video.... I talked to Hector Bonzo once, the Captain of the ARA Belgrano and he told me that they were at war, and he would´ve done the same if he was the Captain of the Conqueror. Great chap he was...

[@getlost6998]

I read an article by him about the sinking - a very professional and honourable man from what I could see.

[@kennztube]

Santiago Arias of course, we were at war. Enemies don’t allow ships to threaten their own. Anyone thinking differently is a fool and knows nothing of conflict. Image we didn’t sink it then they sink several ships and the war is over. Then this is known, a shit storm would ensue.

[@Kriegerdammerung]

I found some flaws in the video. If I may be so bold, I would like to ask you to read them.

[@SantiagoAriasEskapa]

@@Kriegerdammerung inlight me

[@Kriegerdammerung]

@@SantiagoAriasEskapa While this video about Malvinas War was very informative and true, I would like to object to some of its points: I - 0:25 Malvinas Islands has got its "sovereign" status simply because the Kelpers when asked by Parliament or the Prime Minister whether to adopt the culture of Argentina or not they declined. Should they be offered a job and a place to live in London, Malvinas Islands would be as populated as Mars. So in my opinion, the only argument of England's grip is "we have got first class citizens and rubbish citizens", which is a very poor one. II - 13:27 the military junta invaded Malvinas Islands not for the reason Mr. Lindybeige stated - not entirely at least - the coup were becoming less popular (US President Jimmy Carter had even created an office to encourage Argentinians to report human rights violations) and feared to be overthrown by the people marching on the streets (Which we Argentinians did and are fond to do with rogue militaries) by pulling the string of nationalism, they gained a voluptuous approval overnight, before 2nd of April people would gather into meetings and demonstrations to denounce the dictatorship, after the invasion people did the same but to cheer the terrorist government. III - 20:05 Not an objection to the topic: this tropes of bureaucracy are proof that "democracy" is flawed on purpose. IV - 21:33 Not an objection to the topic: not clips, but magazines! V - 24:34 This is a lie, Allende was elected precisely because Chilean citizens were upset by the level of corruption. Also, Allende appointed the would-be-dictator Pinochet as Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces. VI - 36:47 the propaganda and faked news framed by the dictatorship were even more infuriating VII - 1:00:54 This statement of Lloyd connects with point II

[@billslim1112]

It's funny how everytime I come on this channel, I think I know a historical event well inside and out. But then I realise that I actually knew nothing all along

[@MauriatOttolink]

Just love that Milliganesque voice when you opened up the commercial with the ukele!

[@carloscaro9121]

After New Zealand offered some "sheeps," the Canadians offered their Air Force. 2,000 Canadian geese were assembled. The UK turned this down, for they did not wish to unleash a war crime.

[@mvl9591]

If you have a problem with Canadian geese then you’ve got a problem with Wayne and I suggest you let that marinate.

[@ratflakes3135]

Jesus fucking christ and the argentinians say we are criminals for sinking the belgrano. We didnt even set the geese on them

[@allensams1773]

The geese are NOT Canadian. The proper name is Canada Goose. . .

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

Sadly it was hunting season in the US and none of the geese made it to the South Atlantic.

[@Mariote777]

man, those canadian geese are vicious. They shit up a storm, roughly 2 kilos per day. Setting them on on the argies would have literally been a shitstorm. Would have given a new meaning to the term "full of shit" which the argies of course already were, notwithstanding the canuck birds...

[@erictaylor5462]

Once Margret Thatcher saw a homeless man on the street with a sign that said "Falklands War Vet" Feeling for one one her boys she gave the man some money. He looked up, smiled and said, "Gracias."

[@erictaylor5462]

@@TonyBustaroni Obviously it is a joke, and it *IS* funny.

[@estebancastellino3284]

i found it hilarious. I'm writing this from Argentina :)

[@erictaylor5462]

@@estebancastellino3284 In that case, Gracias

[@williamshafer3199]

@@TonyBustaroni yes sadly funny, but YES a lie; thatcher help a homeless person likely as flying herd of her PIGS

[@simonh6371]

@@TonyBustaroni Funny as fuck! Are you a septic?

[@adiamondforever7890]

I was an engineer on the Santa Magdalena at the time, and we were the first American ship to dock in Argentina after it was over. Those we met while in BA were all pro American and not too happy with their government. None of our 100 passengers had any issues either. Our next stops were Chile then several more before back to LA and San Fransisco. Of course the electrician had to be arrested in Chile to fix the sound powered phone ringer generator for the local police department. Have fun

[@pauljones2261]

Think I am getting old cause I find myself watching more about military history every year. It’s so interesting. Thank you.

[@sunnyjim1355]

But when you really grow up you'll get into political and economic history... oh, you're in for some real eye-openers then.

[@pauljones2261]

@@sunnyjim1355 how rude to make such assumptions about me when you have so little information to hand. If this is how you treat your historical studies I would hate to think how erroneous your conclusions will be.

[@chipsthedog1]

There's a great bit in the book The secret diary of Adrian Mole where Adrian gets up early and sees the news about the Falklands being invaded and goes upstairs to tell his still sleeping dad. The dad jumps out of bed swearing loudly rushes through getting dressed so much that his jeans are back to front and shirt buttons don't line up he then runs down stairs cursing the whole time, he watches the news for like a minute turns to Adrian and says "Wait, are the Falkland Islands in South America"? He then goes crazy on Adrian as he heads back to bed saying for gods sake I thought they were in Scotland! What's great is it is actually kind of accurate as before the invasion hardly anyone knew where the Falklands were.

[@pwareham61]

I loved that bit. I still dig it out now and again, to cheer myself up. It's a brilliant book.

[@chipsthedog1]

@@pwareham61 Sue Townshend was brilliant, I cannot remember the name but she did another one about the royal family moving into a council estate but nothing eclipses Adrian Mole

[@Kelly14UK]

Haha! I remember that but i can't remember if it was in book 1 or book 2

[@rln2760]

3:05: "The americans was backers of the argentinian junta...", proceeds to show a picture of Pinochet, who was leader of the Chilean Junta...

[@stijnvandamme76]

​@Richard Griffiths Why would Chile's support for the UK have been clandestine.. Chile was never in good relations with Argentina leading up to the Falklands war. There had been border disputes and plenty of unfriendly dealings between the two. And it was clear to Chile that once the Falklands had been sorted, Argentina would go after the islands in the Beagle channel

[@oscarbosio9881]

@@stijnvandamme76 En primer lugar nunca en la historia hubo una guerra entre Chile y Argentina. las escaramuzas en la zona del canal solamente sirvieron para que ambas dictaduras tengan excusas para rearmarse y desviar la atención de las atrocidades que hacían con sus pueblos. La guerra era entre Argentina y los piratas, Chile no tenía nada que ver. Chile se declaró neutral y terminó haciendo todo lo contrario, se involucró de lleno en uno de los bandos. Como personas inteligentes no pueden pensar, o comprar propaganda que después de Malvinas Argentina iría por Chile. Imposible, como pueden pensar que una nación después de una guerra contra una alianza internacional (los ingleses nunca pelean solos, siempre piden ayuda), sea cual sea el resultado, y el mejor de los casos suponiendo que ganara la guerra, aún le queden fuerzas, hombres y material para embarcarse en otra guerra, esta ves contra un pais vecino, ni siquiera una potencia mundial lo podría hacer, por supuesto menos Argentina y hasta los propios servicios secretos chilenos lo sabían. Se inventó esa excusa para tratar de limpiar la imagen de tan cobarde ayuda y nada mejor que esta locura, que porque unos miles gritaban tero, tero, por los dichos de Galtieri, etc, nada real, nunca estuvo en los planes invadir o atacar Chile después de los piratas.Es cuestión de pensarlo un poco y no fanatizarse con lo que te taladran la cabeza para que lo repitan. Igual nada de rencor, pero basta de esa excusa, es muy débil y sin sustento, las verdaderas razones fueron otras y no te la van a contar a vos y menos a nosotros.,

[@wclark3196]

Shut up with your facts!

[@HueyPPLong]

@Richard Griffiths We liked both dictatorships of Argentina and Chile because they were anti communist during the cold war. Hence the U.S. telling Britain "you're own your own" in dealing with the Falklands.

[@HueyPPLong]

We were scared to death of communism spreading in our backyard of South America. That's why we threw Africa, and the colonial empires there to the wolves. Take Soviet energy away from Latin America.

[@euphoricpedge6019]

This one got me hooked thanks lindybeige youre a legend mate cheers from nz.

[@kevinmahernz]

Thank you for a great video which told us a lot about the behind the scenes things that were going on

[@dylc5604]

Please don't apologize for your tangents!! They're a more than welcome important part of your videos.

[@puma1304]

the Royal Navy has always had close relations with the Armada de Chile, a force that was created based on Nelsons navy... and commanded by a former Royal Navy officer, the famous Lord Thomas Cochrane... besides this, until this very date Chile is a close military allied nation to both the US and the UK (besides a friend of AUS, NZ, CDN) it is a well known "secret" in Chile, that nobody was at that time thinking about helping Argentina, on the contrary: "my enemy`s enemy is my friend"... The situation today is quite different, because the context is quite another one. Even so there is no surprise that the chilean navy as well as its air force are perhaps the most powerful and modern in latinamerica, besides the brazilian armed forces...

[@Kriegerdammerung]

Yes, but remember that those political decitions were framed by a rogue militar, a terrorist and a murderer of his own citizens (Augusto Pinochet), the democratically elected government of the Constitution would have never allied with the UK (I mean Allende).

[@puma1304]

@@Kriegerdammerung I said, they have had close ties since the time of Cochrane, the Pinochet era is here a mere detail, and just recently the Royal Navy and the Armada de Chile renewed their close ties as Princess Anne visited the country representing the Royal Navy, visit which later developed into a cooperation in radar alert systems for the southern Pacific-Atlantic, this is NOW, Pinochet was active 40 years ago! And of course nobody would have wanted any joint mission with the Allende regime (except communist countries)...

[@Kriegerdammerung]

@@puma1304 Wow, wait, stop... a democratically elected government is overthrown by a Pentagon-backed group of terrorists, the legal figures all the way up to the President assassinated... and you telling me that's a "mere detail"? hold my Constitution. This is NOW, I agree, Pinochet did reforms to make Chile a vassal State of the northern powers that STILL exist. When the Chilean people were on the streets for La Constituyente ( = political reforms) the heirs of Pinochet blinded citizens with gunfire in defence of the Pinochet Constitution. Pineda does not agree with you in the "mere detail" aspect :/

[@puma1304]

@@Kriegerdammerung we might keep discussing and arguing about this but this is not the thematic of the original note, which is the historical relationships between 2 Armadas, not Pinochet, an idiot which I do not support, and what the Thatcher government accorded with him for the prosecution of the Falkland war is not something that I will approve or not approve, it just happened and geopolitics in the region remain about the same as then, same issues, same actors, but new challenges that will affect the final result (like climate change, which will have lasing effects not only in the Subantartic region...) Kriegerdämmerung tönt schon nach einem wagnerianischen Drama, und wir alle wissen welche Vorstellungen gewisse berühmte Politiker davon hatten, so wenn Sie schon unter der Allende Regierung mal gelebt hätten wüssten Sie auch vielleicht wovon Sie sprechen! und mit diesem Kommentar betrachte ich diesen "Dialog" als erledigt!

[@Kriegerdammerung]

@@puma1304 Mate, there is not much to actually discuss. I'm a pro-democracy man, if you are the same we must agree. For example, now there is a new democratically elected President that is not a pro-Pinochet politician. In fact his, pro-independent measures made Pineda furious and he wants to pulverize economic assets at 400 thousand million dollars before ending his term. What is your opinion of this man Boric that wants to make Chile great again?

[@tabletopminiatures7139]

Another GREAT video, thanks LB!

[@peterrobinson9402]

Always good to get new info on a subject I have read a lot about. The mention of the RAF might have caused some raised eyebrows with the Fleet Air Arm.

[@neilgriffiths6427]

*RAF Harriers were in action on RN ships...

[@Longshanks1690]

Britain: So, we can count on your help right? Everyone: _Nope._ Britain: *Ah shit, here we go again.* Chile: _Allow us to introduce ourselves._

[@Nox_Desiree]

*Forgotten Kiwi noises*

[@aloadofbollocks988]

Cries is Kiwi

[@jonarific8504]

@@jugganaut33 I know you're trying to be jokey, but South Africa was still under apartheid during the Falklands conflict and for several years to come. So I'm not sure bringing race into it is particularly helpful!

[@dace48]

Too often forgotten: Portugal "Of course we have your back, as always."

[@wolf222555]

Yep, as always, count ONLY on yourself and expect the worst. Standard routine.

[@davidkueny2444]

"When a nation has to win a war on her own, she wants allies, but when she *has* won a war on her own, she prefers the solitude." - Lloyd, 2019

[@dj_koen1265]

nice quote

[@chaipup7045]

not a war

[@philjamieson5572]

David Kueny: I really think you've missed the whole point of this film.

[@alanandconnielast]

The US were very much an ally. They provided much needed weapons to win the air battles and gave intel. Even offered to borrow a carrier if needed.

[@YTB952]

@@chaipup7045 of course it was a war.

[@nigeh5326]

Lindy reminds me of how I am without my ADHD meds. Desperately trying to keep your thoughts on one line but failing and diverging off all over the place.

[@MaverickCulp]

I think Lloyd is underplaying France’s role in the British victory here. To me he made it seem like the French engineers assisting the Argentine Navy took personal offense to Argentina’s aggression and left on their own. When in fact the French Government put a hold on the shipment of Super Etendards and an arsenal of Exocets. Argentina was only able to fly four Super Etendards instead of 14, and only had five usable Exocets. Even with those seemingly insignificant numbers, the Argentine Pilots were still able to sink two ships. Imagine what they would’ve been able to do to the British if the French didn’t suspend the order.

[@joeturner1597]

ARA General Belgrano formerly USS Phoenix. Survived Pearl Harbour but she had the dubious honour of being the first ship sunk by a nuclear submarine. HMS Conqueror was my last boat. Missed that trip though, left in '79.

[@cgh1060]

Joe Turner. Phoenix was also the ship used in the British movie The Battle of the River Plate, about the sinking of the admiral Graf Spee. Where she played the part of the Graf Spee herself. Earning the honour to be 'sunk' twice in her career. Oddly enough, the Phoenix had a flaw that many U.S. cruisers had. The fault was in the construction of the ships bows and stern sections, with several ships through the classes losing bows in relatively calm seas. This was ultimately shown when the ARA Belgrano sank despite the damage to the bow section being caused by a MK8 torpedo. Much respect and thanks.

[@eyesofisabelofficial]

@@cgh1060 In the 1956 Film USS Salem (CA 138)played Graf Spee. USS Phoenix had already been sold to Argentina in 1951.

[@thomashepworth8475]

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[@clareryan2640]

This I did not know🤔 that ship deserves a ‘This is Your Life Belgrano’ documentary🤭 how extraordinary. Stupid bloody waste of time money and young lives the whole bleeding lot: that old lie, dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori. Wonder what the Carbon footprint of the whole expedition was🤔 a new age now - where will we start - to stop global warming?

[@joewilson3575]

In fairness, I believe that Portugal gave us logistical support by using their atlantic islands.

[@exponent8798]

@Amando Marques gotem

[@kappatalist1014]

@Amando Marques As if anyone was in a position to retake or defend Goa

[@ew-uy6cs]

@@kappatalist1014 1.3 billion indians vs 80 million britts I think it is possible

[@guneytopal1713]

The Prophet of the Cult of Manbar Portugal has technically been an ally for 7 centuries so not really surprised.

[@lfcmike12]

@Amando Marques You may not have noticed, but we didn't manage to hold onto the rest of India our selves. Britain has pretty consistently held by their agreements, we entered two world wars to keep by our word to defend our allies, wars which my family lost plenty in, you're welcome.

[@drakesavory2019]

Didn't Portugal help by giving access to bases in the Azores under the oldest diplomatic treaty in existence?

[@fisk7aal]

Indeed. Operation Black Buck

[@jimmyskyblue6057]

I didn’t know but I’m not surprised as Portugal is always by our side.👍

[@wasp6594]

No. The task force sailed from England to the Ascenion Island to resupply with what they needed, flown in by the RAF. Operation Black Buck also flew from Ascencion, involving 13 Victor tankers to refuel the Vulcans. There was a small detachment of Americans on the Island as meteorologists. They were completely amazed when they first saw the sky becaming black with RAF Hercules aircraft landing, dropping off supplies and taking off again . I believe, but I'm not sure, army engineers were first on Ascension to lengthen the runway for the Victors and Vulcans. Later, the task force arrived, picked up the supplies snd the rest is history.

[@juanconstenla1171]

Nice video with a new point of view, as a chilean, a lot of my family members were call-out by the army to be mobilised to the frontier with Argentina to wait and distract them. Also thanks for making me remember why the British released pinochet, well at least we are free now. And for my Latin American bros who think that Chile is a traitor country, remember, Perú and Bolivia were always searching arguments to attack Chile and Argentina back stabbed Chile in the Pacific war, so in the Falklands we pretty much just returned the favour.

[@pinoarias8601]

F*ck peru lol

[@ignaciojoseforlano4880]

Sos pais gracias a nosotros, ingrato

[@nighthawk3305]

​@@ignaciojoseforlano4880....si claro, y toda Sudamérica te debe algo verdad?

[@cuadernoazul5958]

Argentina se mantuvo neutral en la guerra del Pacifico donde chile invadió Bolivia y Perú. La verdad es que debió defenderlos del invasor. En que apuñaló por la espalda?? Nunca tendrán la patagonia porque nunca fue suya.

[@juanconstenla1171]

@@cuadernoazul5958Argentina tan neutral como Iran en Yemen o EEUU en Ucrania, no se si es muy neutral hacer una campaña militar de "conquista del desierto" en territorios disputados dada las fronteras que quedaron entre el virreinato de la plata y reino de chile. Decir la retórica de Chile invasor en vez de tratar de mediar el conflicto nota el interés de la historia Argentina de aprovecharse de la situación.

[@sureisaidthat1]

Lindybeige: "I do love a book that's short!" *Proceeds with really long video.* Me: *Watched entire video, anyway.*

[@nicosonoro]

I saw this one coming long ago. As an argie I’m fetching my popcorn

[@internetenjoyer1044]

Wow, no offense, but i've never seen an argie take that attitude before. Normally I see you guys absolutely losing their minds over the issue. Am I being misled about what the average Argentine thinks by a vocal minority on the internet?

[@maximinomorgado2150]

@@internetenjoyer1044 totally, thats what internet is for boludo

[@internetenjoyer1044]

@@ThomasBreaker Thanks for that explanation. From the British perspective, our ownership of the Falklands is perhaps one of the least controversial in history. We came to it uninhabitted, settled on it, and have had the only longstanding population on it in known history. We don't quite get the Argentinian claim becuase it wasn ours before Argentina existed. But i understand why you guys feel strongly about it, since from what I see it's a bit of a founding national myth. We also don;t buy the proximity argument, becuase argentina is like 300 or so miles away from argentina. When your entire country is 600 miles long, 300 miles just doesn't register as "off the coast" of another country lol.

[@camelot2863]

@@internetenjoyer1044 I understand your perspective, but we have a diferent story over here. The Malvinas (Falklands) were habitated by Argentinians before England came along. At this point I don't know which version is right really. Nonetheless, the war was stupid, created by a terrible dictatorship.

[@internetenjoyer1044]

@@camelot2863 That's not true. What you're referring to was a penal colony set up by someone with permission of both British and Argentinian governments (the dude just wanted an easy time i guess) that was removed by an American sailor because they were interferring with whaling or something. I'm hazy on the details, but this happened a long time after the British had made their claim to the Islands. The war was stupid, but I think you guys did quite well out of it; it got rid of the dictatorship, which must be a plus

[@stephicohu]

Great to see this again! Very interesting information on the Falklands

[@sephirotic87]

"lots of dowsides to dictatorships to the general population" You don't say....