Link's Awakening, Remakes, Art Styles, and OPINIONS

[@SleepyFawn]

There was a miiverse guy who reviewed the water in every Wii U game he could get ahold of.

[@fancyb.p.6122]

What was his favorite Water

[@jjopification]

Adam Mills He seemed quite indifferent about any kind of water. He got aroused about Black Flags oceans just as much as with same-colored puddles in your everyday GBA games.

[@davemarx7856]

That's one heck of a -gimmick- passion

[@MERCHIODOS]

I remember him playing a Lego game and saying "For a Lego game, that some realistic water"

[@Bulba413]

BUT WHY?

[@mrpyrostorm3165]

The art style is a HUGE call back to the Japanese commercial for Links Awakening on Game Boy. It is also a style that mirrors the original game. In that context the art style is not all that surprising.

[@lawthirtyfour2953]

It's nice that the video addresses your exact points.

[@mrpyrostorm3165]

I forgot to add this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqPPYZasd6uaec0 I think it's pretty cool to see how the commercial is represented in the remake. To those in the comments, I'm not arguing with anyone. Just offering context as to why Nintendo might have gone with the style.

[@supersmashbro596]

also with the shift in style between the opening and the game kinda makes sense if you know the twist. it's all a dream, and dreams hardly look realistic. my one ask is that at least the artstyle used during the intro is used at least one more time. when link reads and reacts to the relief of the southern face shrine.

[@StreakedSilver]

Then by that logic, LTTP should be a rap dance remake. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZvTea2Cjq2eraM ...... Actually that would be pretty sweet to see just as like a side quest thing..

[@LordFinkenstein]

In this video a man spends an inordinate amount of time talking about how much he dislikes the way people dislike other people disliking things.

[@kevinr.9733]

It feels more clay-like than plastic to me. Clay sculptures painted and glossed, with some ceramic tilework thrown in for good measure. I like it.

[@nintendubs2265]

I love that we can have these philosophical debates on a youtube page for a muppet who reviews video games.

[@link5205]

Muppet ? He's from sesame street ! How DARE you bring up... the "Other guys"...

[@katmannsson]

Real though

[@thesaltmerchant4564]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHXTiGRpas-mmbs Here’s an actual debate there’s time stamps in the pinned comment. Arlo doesn’t seem to understand the definition of arguments. They are something you make to support your point of view not just people yelling insults. It’s perfectly fine acceptable and polite to make arguments against another stance it is not inherently insulting to make reasoned arguments.

[@_elynas]

An earthbound remake in the style of Links Awakening would be perfect

[@ireallylikenintendo6366]

I have never agreed with anything more in my entire life

[@ihatestairs9034]

PK stfu Ω too bad Nintendo doesn’t care about earthbound anymore

[@ireallylikenintendo6366]

Eustace Bagge you just completely went against the point arlo is trying to say literally in this video

[@maddosshmillore]

That would be awesome

[@ABitofEpicness]

Ive been thinking about this all week

[@RhythmGrizz]

I like the art style fine. Personally I'm just happy to get a new Zelda game. This is a new golden age for Nintendo fans.

[@OmegaChase1002]

Switch online dont look like gold.

[@jacqueline6475]

So, how do you feel today?

[@bencoventry335]

I think it looks alright excited to play it !

[@xebatansis]

"New".

[@fangchick93]

Absolutely, this is a great year to be a Nintendo lover.

[@connorsturgeon8863]

Let's be real we all just want Zelda to go back to the first two Zelda CDI games' art style

[@metaltom2003]

*shudders*

[@popnson6037]

It sure is boring around here

[@FamilyTeamGaming]

@@popnson6037 Mah boi... This peace is what all true warriors strive *for*.

[@ryanspencer3106]

what could possibly go wrong?

[@clark5317]

FamilyTeamGaming *"I'm so hungry I could eat a Dodongo!"*

[@nintendolife]

Well, I mean, that's just your opinion...

[@ZippyRagu]

Nice opinion

[@gumble808]

is this alex from nintendo life here?

[@Sopa_de_letras_producciones]

Big lebowsky reference?

[@joshmay2944]

mannn!

[@commanderdingdong422]

I completely agree with you Arlo. Also as someone studying to be a geologist I can firmly say that BotW has the best rocks of all.

[@stevenn1940]

I don't know. Rock of ages has some good ones. Namely the titular ones.

[@gamerorp1684]

Wouldn't you like to know *ROCK BOI*

[@DrRank]

"But it's a rock." "I KNOW IT'S A ROCK! Don't you think I know a rock when I see a rock? I've spent a lot of time around rocks!" - Flik and Dot, A Bug's Life

[@NASIRUB1]

I like the new look, I think it has a unique style. If they made a game series with the same graphics over and over, each game wouldn't have its own unique feel and design, plus this might give the game the ability to stand up to time just like games that were made in a cell shaded style back then.

[@Lucy-bd6us]

Also it's just adorable. It's all so goddamn cute I love it.

[@eddie0252]

Like new super mario bros

[@sunfeatherX3]

"accuracy shouldn't always be the end goal of a remake". CAN YOU PLEASE TELL DISNEY.

[@kevinjr6650]

Someone told disney and they made that mulan garbage. How could you!

[@johnschwalb]

@ETHAN HENDERSHOT its not a shot for shot remake...no dress in drag doing the hula

[@axelvoss9653]

They don't even do that, they lazily recreate the visuals and the songs while also missing key details that prove they don't understand what made them work the first time, and every so often they'll make some needless little changes that actually take away more than they add. Or they make a Mulan. Which is arguably worse.

[@CrissBluefox]

My dad always told me that when people result to attacking your character, they have lost the argument.

[@TheRegularHedgehog575]

See flat earthers? People who have intelligence win!

[@NapaCat]

@@TheRegularHedgehog575 Or Suspicious0bserver followers. ESPECIALLY them.

[@KeyBladeMaster-Dan]

I get more of a claymation vibe from it and personally I dig it

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Plus the puppets

[@Dharengo]

This!

[@lw1391]

Glad to hear someone else thinks this too (love the claymation style) - besides, there is no sense in repeating the original graphical style. That game already exists. Why not try something a bit new?

[@timofcent1]

You're objectively wrong in your subjective opinion. You only feel that way because you such and such.

[@timofcent1]

In all seriousness, I'm not really a fan of the style. But thinking of it as claymation makes it a little easier to swallow. Either way, I'm going to love the heck out of this game regardless of art style.

[@SnowyJop]

Something to keep in mind is that everyone can have their opinion, but that doesn't mean all opinions are created equally. It might be someone's "opinion" that The Shawshank Redemption is a horrible movie, but without facts, arguments, or logic to back that opinion up - it can easily be labeled as a poor opinion or at least a poor manifestation of an opinion. In particular, if someone sends their opinion into a public sphere, such as Twitter or KZbin, they should reasonably expect that opinion to be questioned and even criticized. In fact, people often benefit from this as it encourages them to consider how different viewpoints interact with their own leading to a more comprehensive perspective. Opinions ought to be challenged and discussed. Robust discussion and disagreement are often how good ideas flourish and bad ideas wither. Opinions are not some sacred standpoint that protects you from criticism. I do agree with you that people should refrain from namecalling or attacking others during disagreement, but it seems to me like your standpoint is discouraging lively conversation. If someone says "the new Zelda art style is trash," without any logic or evidence, I think it's appropriate to say their opinion is underdeveloped or poorly thought out.

[@mountain-1]

This comment is underated

[@davemarx7856]

😑 no u 😉 you make good points. Especially about what is expected when one puts their own opinion into the public sphere.

[@ohwowitsthatguy9154]

Agreed, though I don't think that was quite Arlo's conclusion-more "even if you think your opinion is better thought out, you can't expect that to necessarily change someone's mind, or think that your opinion is 'objectively' better".

[@ClassyReviews]

Agreed

[@ew275x]

Exactly, once you give arguments for your opinion they can be debated. You can say "I like Mario 64 it's the best game ever" and that's fine. People might question how well thought out your opinion if it's based on you thinking that because the moon is made of cheese, you liked the final boss against the saxophone monster, and you only played the game for 5 minutes in your cousins house back in 1997.

[@maddog5284]

Rember we dont talk zelda politics around family

[@zab1142]

Energetic force especially when...... Dear God smirking !

[@maddog5284]

@@bandicootsauce4569 o and dont forget hyrule has the longest dictitorship in history

[@Antasma1]

You know, it was wrong for them to deport those interlopers. They just have wants like everyone else. People should stop comparing all Twili to Zant

[@Тоска-к8к]

I honestly like the art style, aside from the way the characters look. The claymation aesthetic is kind of neat.

[@gumble808]

I love the art style and the characters, I just wish there was some diversity in the square for square assets- for example, a forest of the same trees and perfectly cut grass

[@joe-moe]

Yeah but that's just, like, your opinion, man

[@quantrindic5488]

This aggression will not stand

[@davemarx7856]

Pai has a very punchable face Joe moe... your profile picture is...

[@zanzanzanzan]

Came looking for this in the comments

[@derbar1401]

Lebowski rules!

[@clayton_games]

Lol

[@qcardcontinuum]

I’m excited as I’ve never gotten to play this game before.

[@ForceWave-1139]

Discorded Spectrum I never got that far, but I love Koizumi’s other Nintendo games, so I hope it’s faithful!

[@turtleanton6539]

Luckyu

[@geesegalore5594]

@@chiefexecutivebutttaster1758 Dude I was about to talk about how I was excited to rediscover everything too, but then you felt the need to write that horrific second paragraph. Why did you have to put these things into my mind? who hurt you???

[@supersmashbro596]

you're in for a treat. i will say, as someone who has started with the original game: i can think up of one really good story-related reason as to why koholint looks so... plastic-y.

[@dullicecream]

Same here

[@UniversalSketch]

I like the art style but I felt cheated when there was a cool hand drawn style opening for the trailer I thought we were getting a hand drawn two dimensional zelda game.

[@jennilocke]

I think that's the main problem. A lot of people thought the game was going to be more like the cinematic, but i honestly don't think that particular style would fit Link's Awakening.

[@dtothee8730]

I think that's the part that a lot of people had a problem with. It's like Diablo mobile all over again. You made them expect one thing and give them something entirely different. You can't blame the customers for that.

[@TheKabuto90]

I mean, the original back on the gameboy had the exact same thing with the opening. And this kind of artstyle matches the game perfectly, based on what the original looked like.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

@@dtothee8730 thats the whole point of links awakening especially when you see the puppetry of the japanese commercials

[@davemarx7856]

Universal Sketch You've a neat profile picture.

[@MilkPudding]

The BRILLIANCE of Zelda games is they have different art styles yet they all work so well. It follows Nintendo's design philosophy strictly, form follows functions.

[@link5205]

If the Links Awakening remake was in black and white though...

[@AccountName_]

What function is this form following?

[@SmashGuyROA]

A Super Mario RPG remake with this toy artstyle would be perfect!

[@Kill_Command]

hell no

[@thesludgeboss5907]

Hell yes

[@DaNintendude]

Actually I agree. The renders for the game and the sprites themselves have this stiff toylike feel that would be amazing if made toylike in a remake. Just... hold off the shininess on everything. That's my only problem with the remake's artstyle.

[@JetWolfEX]

It should look like the concept art, like the game cover.

[@Savage--]

I'd need to see concept art with it to agree... but intriguing idea.

[@maddywildin4389]

I am officially sick of watching link swing his sword at that chubby fish and missing it!😑😑😑

[@Okapi540]

Every single time I think, "This time he'll get it!"

[@jhozan]

I personally really like the art style. If you dislike the style, that's fine. More power to you. But I really enjoy it, and hope more games adopt a similar style (cough EARTHBOUND REMAKE cough)

[@geschnitztekiste4111]

Yeah, this looks totally MOTHER-y. Didn't those games also have clay artworks?

[@protoluigi2047]

Actually that's not a terrible idea, in fact, that is the best idea I ever heard for a remake. In fact, I got a better idea, what if the Mother trilogy was released digitally for the Switch to bring old fans and new fans into the series, but months later, they announce remakes of the original trilogy fully remastered for the Switch just like Crash Bandicoot N Sane Trilogy but with the Link's Awakening remake art style!!

[@puncake_general318]

That sounds good, but I can't really see how they could recapture the eeriness of giygas with that artstyle

[@quinnv.3499]

Honestly had a dream that they remade the mother trilogy in that art style lol

[@societyman9219]

Jhozan the final boss would be ruined with this art style

[@hollybriggs1701e]

I adore the art style they went to in the remake. It’s so adorable. I wanted to play it because it looked so cute.

[@andrewsmith4581]

I feel like the phrase "you do you" is often used to justify any act. There could be a murderer and some people would be like "Well to him, murdering is okay. Who are we to judge? You do you." That was just an extreme example to make a point. I don't really think people would go that far Lol

[@yourehereforthatarentyou]

people all condescendingly saying "you do you" as if theyre okay with you having your opinion but they clearly are not is like legit one of my biggest pet peeves like one time i said that i thought kirby games sucked and one guy was like "yeah, youre wrong but you do you"

[@thevioletbee5879]

You do you as long as it isn't actively harming those around you.

[@matti.8465]

@@thevioletbee5879 What if the person's opinion is based on something that is wrong? Should i tell them why is wrong or do what Arlo said and respectfuly disagree, leading nowhere.

[@thatoneguyyouknow9953]

It's a fucking video game art style that does not compare to murder you fucking walnut

[@thevioletbee5879]

@@matti.8465 You can argue, but they have the right to share it.

[@hudsondunn8385]

I just want a majoras mask like sequel for BOTW.

[@TraeceJay]

Hudson Dunn you said it brother

[@yourehereforthatarentyou]

well botw already had only 4 dungeons that were all terrible and swords that broke after 50 hits

[@Thierce]

@@yourehereforthatarentyou lmao, sadly you couldn't wear the faces of the deceased champions though

[@divineavocado7648]

Do you mean a sequel that is similar to majoras mask, or a sequel to botw the way oot had a sequel which was majoras mask

[@lynneross2115]

Oh boy, ABSOLUTELY I would be on that.

[@MrIcenice44]

2:45 You went a little too hard on the mid-path thing. Conversation should be civil, of course, but arguments made in bad faith should be labeled as such in conversation. If they don't know how that opinion sounds, tell them how it sounds. You don't have telepathy, but you have ears and eyes.

[@curiouslittlecritter1057]

It’s pretty stupid what he was saying, you shout be able to call out hateful and toxic opinions (racism, sexism etc). Obviously I agree when I comes to links awakening but not all arguments/opinions

[@defeqel6537]

Also, it is valid to "attack" an argument; "I like the new art style because of X", "But X is not true for the art style"

[@Daremodesu]

@@defeqel6537 i like X artstyle despite what people might say. (: p)

[@HalloBruce]

Hateful and misinformed opinions should be called out, and Arlo says as much at 21:27. But his main point is that you should be MINDFUL-- we're often too quick to assume different opinions/arguments are made in bad faith, when really they're just... different.

[@VnsFurs]

Agreed. Especially when those kind of assumptions are being made from opinions formed out of bite sized comments online. Be mindful and also try your best to respect someone's differing view point, regardless of what it is.

[@henryalexander7325]

4:12 But if you built your house in the hills and your neighbor built theirs in the trees... They wouldn't be your neighbor

[@mechajay3358]

That's true.

[@pokefanlight]

I still like the example.

[@cameronroy2129]

@@pokefanlight its kinda a shitty example though because its a blatant bad faith exaggeration since a confident person would just argue not be insane like how he sees it

[@elsa6866]

take a shot every time he says “opinion”

[@dreamerabe]

Do you want people to die from alcohol intoxication?!

[@Ponaru]

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken.

[@peterb8398]

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[@JohnnyDoorknob]

@@zogwort1522 ?

[@dylantee44]

I feel like I got a lecture on opinions rather then a discussion about links awakening. Edit: When I clicked on the video I didn't see opinions in the title in capital letters and I didn't read the description. I didn't expect such a large portion of the video to be dedicated to opinions and I was considering getting link's awakening and it would've been my first Zelda game. I understand that I should have known a large part of the video would be about opinions so I shouldn't have expressed disappointment as there was no reason for me to have it.

[@dillonkoester5530]

True, but the whole thing is about opinions on Link's Awakening. Edit: After thinking about it, I do agree and I wish the video was more centered around Link's Awakening and not a philosophical discussion.

[@swinefluwillkillu]

i got to the 5 minute mark and was wondering what the hell i was doing wasting my time. I think i'm getting a bit bored of these videos where he just rambles about mostly nonsense

[@GoopyGum]

@@swinefluwillkillu I think he actually made a very good point about the manner of opinions and the culture surrounding them in video games. At least, I found it really fun and interesting to listen to.

[@PickleAndPearBTBM]

@@swinefluwillkillu pretty much in his videos that arent reviews are just 20 minuets of rambling.

[@Cooleocarter]

Ya I’m a fan of his but this video did not need to be 22 mins...

[@TheArloFanCommunity]

Thank you so much Kane for putting my 100% very real tweet in Arlo’s video 0:20 (I’m BenBen)

[@chiefexecutivebutttaster1758]

You rascal, you feel like having a rough sadomasochistic three way with our boi Arlo later?

[@medes5597]

You're one of my favourite commenters on KZbin. It genuinely warms my heart to see Arlo has such dedicated fans. My little sisters are 6 and 9 and they love Arlo, so your comments always make me think of them, I think that's why I always like seeing you. Like neither of them has a switch but they will watch Arlo videos because they love him and how he acts on camera.

[@TheArloFanCommunity]

Terry Beardmore :’)

[@jwoodsonmusic]

AUGHHH ITS BENBEN ITS ME YOUR BIGGEST FAN!!!

[@S4ns]

I'd leave a comment but I wouldn't want to be accused of being "closed minded" or "immature" for discussing someone's opinion.

[@KorporalNoobs]

You are truly stunning and brave... or literally Hitler, who am i to judge? Both can be true. I mean are true. And valid.

[@cameronroy2129]

@@KorporalNoobs there are no more comments because as Arlo said we aren't supposed to comment back against a comment because of that dumb free speech thing

[@NapaCat]

@Fluffynator There's a major difference between trying to tear down an opinion and debate it reasonably.

[@MrServantRider]

4:49 Arlo: "Not naming names here!" Also Arlo('s editor???): Puts pictures of tweets with names. EDIT: Apparently they're fake tweets.

[@LittleLionRawr]

Yeah... _facepalm_

[@amazingtoaster9606]

Pretty sure those were just made up tweets

[@whoanelly8403]

@@amazingtoaster9606 Yeah, either that, or the names were probably altered

[@bensatt4324]

those weren't real tweets, they were made up for the video

[@CyclonSilver]

I didn't watch the video yet(I'm doing it once I'm done writing, I swear), but that graphic style is the exact same as the photographs you could collect in the original, which, as photographs, were actual depictions of what the characters looked like. So they're being true to the source material in a legitimately cool way, and as a result, while I'm not all that fond of it, I think it was a completely justified choice. Edit: Actually, the photographs were introduced in the DX version, but eh, I think the point still stands.

[@star_toast]

CyclonSilver But not really tho because the actual reason that the game looked like that is because it was on a handheld.

[@UnicornStorm]

@@star_toast right. And since limitation creates art, it makes sense to evolve on that art instead of creating a totally new art, not that the latter would be worse. Mario's mustache was born of graphical limitations, but I'm glad they stuck with it instead of dropping the mustache as soon as they were able to better render a face onscreen.

[@CyclonSilver]

@@star_toast On the photos? I don't think so, since they're drawings(granted, 8 bit ones, but still) they could have gone with a much more realistic style, which is what they did for the intro, incidentally. And interestingly, the new intro reflects that too. To some extent it could have been limitations still, since more realistic pictures would take more space, but it seems fair to assume they had some wiggle room and went for that style in spite of that.

[@Skellybeans]

@@CyclonSilver Looking at the photos in the game I can see that, they did have a cartoony feel to them and the photograph element of Link's Awakening wasn't added to the DX version which was on the game boy color in December 1998, just one month after Ocarina of Time. Not sure if Ocarina of Time started the trend of Zelda games should look and be serious because one later another zelda game comes out with serious opening but interlaced with cartoony picture shots during Link's going kind of shows that Nintendo was still experimenting, or if it should be A Link to The Past that defines seriousness of a Zelda game from story than so much art style then yeah we can't really get mad at the style. I do see an issue with the plasticy look of the switch version because like the video mentioned it's novelty is of running out. If the game has picture moments like added to gbc because of the game boy printer just instead send them to your Nintendo account or something of the sort then maybe a third art style would be seen in game, and I get people don't like chibis but to me looking at the high quality art style they went for the opening similar to older versions but DX version after photos that are cartoony I see a combination of those two styles for the switch and don't know if chibi is the right word for cutesy cartoon style that kind of tries and draws elements from the opening. Or since they added the photos to show off the game boy printer maybe they add some new feature in the game to show of the switch. The only thing we know is the game will be released this year and it will probably gets some amiibo.... There is literally an Animal Village in the game...AN ANIMAL VILLAGE!!!! Sorry for yelling, but imagine (this is dumb I don't care) you tap the Mabel Amiibo to the switch go the new vacant house in animal village new folks are always "renting then mysteriously disappearing after" and you talk to Mabel and she offers to stich a new design e.g. plaid with green like her apron (or change to other options not sure if you make your own designs or not though), or maybe if you tap in K.K. Slider then he will offer to play Ballad of The WindFish on his guitar allowing you to walk around with Marin in more parts of the game (though if you enter a dungeon or tap in a new amiibo then she might comment on how she should get back to the village. Ok I got waaay off topic. TL;DR I get where their inspiration came from, but I don't like the toy look but chances a third art style is included as well as Switch marketable added features to the game.

[@CyclonSilver]

​@@Skellybeans It bears mentioning that to a lot of people, Awakening DX is the definitive edition of that game, since it only added to the original(afaik), though it's true that photographs were mainly in for the printer, as you pointed out. I just don't think it really takes away from their significance in terms of legacy, as many of us can remember collecting them for fun. They may have been included for questionable reasons, but they were still well integrated within the game and made for a legitimately cool sidequest. Also just to be clear I'm not saying no other art style could have worked better, I just think copying the photographs is a pretty neat idea. And I wouldn't hold my breath for a third art style, personally, but we'll see.

[@beelzzebub]

I didn’t realise there was a split opinion - the HD miniature look of this new game is incredible. I wasted something similar in Pokemon!

[@blinkingberry9591]

It's incredible, yes. But does it fit the game? Maybe.

[@danrei9210]

@@blinkingberry9591 Yes it does with Link's awakening, the adventure is the dream of a child. So the toy-like art style is okay. But with pokemon? Nah.

[@BGQ-2007]

I thought that too I thought people would love the artstyle

[@RhythmGrizz]

That would be cool

[@irritatedengineer9654]

It’s the dream of a whale but also the dream of a child but it might’ve been the dream of a whale being had by a child

[@Keera2288]

I feel that the skyward sword art style would have really fit the Link's Awakening remake really well. I always felt that the art style felt very dreamlike.

[@Vvonter]

But with a top view angle? I don't know.

[@civiridian7540]

Arlo: You're not a mind reader, don't assume things about people just because they do something you disagree with. Also Arlo: Doing that means you're immature and probably don't have confidence in your opinions.

[@civiridian7540]

This is somewhat hyperbolic but the sentiment holds up. There's a hypocrisy in the text of what you're saying here, and it cheapens your point.

[@KaueBR89]

@@civiridian7540 yeah, I thought that too.

[@Nay089]

That’s exactly what I got from this video too

[@dillonkoester5530]

Yeah, he should of phrased it better. I think he was trying to say "If you attack other people's opinions and not respecfully disagree then you're immature." But I think he should have focused viewpoints more on the context of link's awakening and not as life as a whole, because I could find examples of people being wrong, and it being necessary to call them out on it.

[@GoopyGum]

Well, you are going down a paradoxical road that will never get to where anyone wants. He was just trying to help people understand that it is okay to dislike something and not get angry at people who like it or vis versa.

[@Abby-le6sl]

HOOGY SPOOKY!!!!!!! I'm not going, I just felt left out.

[@WaluigiisthekingASmith]

Arlo should reference the rocks in a game in every review

[@Abby-le6sl]

@@WaluigiisthekingASmith That's very unrelated.

[@bread8159]

This is the internet. We dont do opinions here

[@PinkKips]

This is a great video, but there's two things I wish you would have mentioned: Objectivity exists. Not all opinions are equal because not all of them are well informed. This doesn't matter when talking about something like an artstyle, but it does in other subjects. The second thing ties into the first. Saying "I don't like this" is completely reasonable. You're just stating an opinion and you don't even really have to be able to defend it. When someone says "this is bad" though, you're not longer saying what you think, you're phrasing it like what you're saying is objectively true. This is also fine, but in this case you need to be able to back up what you're saying. If you say something's bad, "it's just my opinion" doesn't explain how said thing is bad. Anyways, I hope this game has new content they just haven't shown us yet. I'm super excited regardless though. EDIT: just remembered, the split doesn't really seem 50/50. It seems like most people like how the game looks, and a large chunk of people who said they don't ended up just not liking Links eyes. It's not everyone, but I don't think there's a huge divide

[@LittleLionRawr]

Well... Recently quantum physicists discovered evidence objective reality may not actually exist after all.... xD (go search for it ;-) )

[@LittleLionRawr]

By the way, if you say something's bad, "it's just my opinion" just clarifies the statement was not meant to be stating a fact. There's nothing wrong with that either. In fact, it fully excuses someone to back up what they were saying since they made it their own opinion. That in turn also means it fully excuses others to have/keep their own opinion on the matter. There's nothing wrong with stating an opinion in a way that seems like stating a fact. And saying "it's just my opinion" is a perfectly valid clarification afterwards. ;-)

[@PinkKips]

@@LittleLionRawr I disagree. "It's just my opinion" doesn't explain why something is bad. And again, it's possible for someone to be wrong, objectively speaking, when they state an opinion. It's a lot easier to say "I don't like this" because someone can't argue that you *do* like it. I guess the phrasing just shows if you're willing to debate the topic.

[@PinkKips]

I think a good example of this would be someone saying "breath of the wild is the worst game of all time." Objectively speaking, they're wrong. If someone says "I think breath of the wild is the worst game of all time." You can't argue that. It's possible to disagree, but you couldn't argue that they *don't* think that

[@LittleLionRawr]

@@PinkKips No it doesn't explain why it is bad. It doesn't even try to do that. It explains the person making that statement has the _opinion_ that it's bad. It explains that it's a subjective statement, not an objective one. In their opinion it is bad (i.e. they dislike/disagree with it for some reason). It's a clarification. Well you might find it easier to say "I don't like this" but really that's easier for the reader/listener. What's most easy for the writer/speaker of the statement is just expressing their opinion however they want. So if they say _"this is bad"_ and really _mean_ "in my opinion this is bad" it's just their way of saying it. Inconvenient for you, especially if you take things literally and only as opinion if it's explicitly stated as opinion. But lets be real, most opinions aren't. 90% -(*warning arbitrarily chose percentage)- of opinions are expressed in a fact form. And most of the time it's not done to show a willingness to debate, but rather just nonchalant expression. Clarifying that it's their opinion afterwards shows a clear _unwillingness_ to debate that opinion (or at least an unwillingness to change it). Frankly, being very specific about stating your opinions in opinion form shows more of a willingness to debate. Since you're explicitly making that distinction. ;-)

[@joughnut496]

I love the newer intro with the weird noises!

[@joughnut496]

The Luigi’s mansion three one is the best

[@jamieyakimets839]

Slothster 0612 There was a recent Arlo intro that was just like ‘waoha ’ and it’s great

[@joughnut496]

They’re all great

[@timbojohnson7213]

on the rare occasions he now uses the Switch snap sound I'm a little saddened because that means half a second of less Arlo goodness in my life :'(

[@MrBKainX]

It’s totally okay to criticize aspects of games, and if anyone is unironically upset about people criticizing a game’s art style than that person needs to seriously grow up.

[@georgewilson7432]

Yet, there are some brash loudmouths who express really ignorante assertions as if It were Gospel, withouth any argument or proof.

[@thespeedyyoshi]

MrBKainX I feel like this comment is borderline a paradox.

[@MrBKainX]

… how dare I ask? @@thespeedyyoshi

[@sajanpatel4956]

Likewise, people can criticize other’s opinions. If anyone is unironically upset than that person needs to seriously grow up.

[@SerpongeDash]

@@sajanpatel4956 well then that's an endless loop and likewise someone can criticize you criticizing the opinion of people criticizing the art style. All that sounds lovely 👍

[@rayflyers]

[Insert comment ironically invalidating Arlo's opinion]

[@sonicoftime2708]

RayFlyer What do you mean

[@joross8]

I really like the art style of the Link's Awakening remake. I wish they would go back and remake the original The Legend of Zelda and Link to the Past like this. Getting a modern version of the original game with a more fleshed out narrative - not much more narrative just like extra characters to describe the world, would be pretty epic.

[@MasonOfLife]

It’s also ironic how this video is policing the policing of others lol. “Hey you’re wrong for saying you dislike the art style” “Hey you’re wrong for saying they’re wrong for disliking the art style...you shouldn’t tell others what to say or do even tho that is exactly what I am doing with this video!” Not saying it’s wrong or not okay, it’s just ironic and I don’t know if you were aware of it

[@rarm5899]

That’s just the paradoxical nature of respecting opinions/free speech

[@MasonOfLife]

Nicktendo 1 “hey you’re wrong for having that opinion” “Hey you’re wrong for telling them they’re wrong for having that opinion” “Hey you’re wrong for telling them they’re wrong for telling that other person they’re wrong for having that opinion”

[@SerpongeDash]

Because you are wrong for saying someone feelings are wrong, it's that simple. You can say you don't agree with them, but saying they have wrong opinions? Uh? Okay?

[@MasonOfLife]

Serponge Geometry Dash I mean I get it and agree, but when does it end when do we stop telling people what they’re doing or saying is wrong, easier just to ignore the people who are saying that I think it’s wrong to scream at your child but I don’t go around telling every parent it’s wrong for them to yell at their kid, and I don’t go around telling people that it’s wrong to tell parents how to parent their kids And I don’t tell people that it’s wrong to tell people wether or not they can or can’t tell people what to tell parents about raising their kids

[@SerpongeDash]

@@MasonOfLife right. The best thing is to just ignore, the comment I did here was mostly there just to say why I think it makes sense for some to call out people calling out on other opinions, but in the end it would just be better to let it go. At this point I'm not too sure if this makes any sense anyway, oh well

[@cloudgalaxy9231]

I love ya. Butt.... When you make an argument against someone else's opinion, you are criticizing it. That what arguing is. An implied stand point from criticizing something, like "LinkAwake's art style sucks", is that you argue that it could have been better if it were something else. I think what you're looking to say is that arguing badly is a problem. Ad hominem arguments are where you criticize the person making the argument instead of the argument itself. It just kinda grinded-up me gears slightly to hear you talk about criticizing like it was something awful, to then just go and do it.

[@pirateguykarl]

Hes telling you to defend your own point instead of attacking others. You missed the point.

[@thatoneguyyouknow9953]

Ok no that is not arguing, arguing is when you try to attack someone's opinion which arlo does not do he simply stated his feeling, arlo does not argue because he just doesn't go against someone else's veiw

[@pirateguykarl]

@julie martinez No he's calling him a hypocrite even though he didn't do anything hypocritical. Arlo didn't do anything he said not to do in the video. He didn't attack people who said that the art style was good, he gave his reasons to why it wasn't without insulting anyone who thought it was good. shut up.

[@Navarchil]

Yeah, what you said was definitely the point, but it wasn't made too clear.

[@Aros555]

@@pirateguykarl The very nature of the majority of this video is hypocritical. He tells people not to be the thought police, so he takes it upon himself to become the thought police because some Twitter drama annoyed him. He's too caught up on semantics of discussion and arguing, which arguing isn't the equivalent of name-calling nor does it burgeon some sort of savagery, in fact, it engenders useful discussion that is worthy of rumination. And so, he says that stating an opinion and elucidating it a little bit is a mark of confidence, which I disagree with. I think it is much more confident too empathize with someone else's point of view while still holding your own. And then he gives his beloved KZbin cattle instructions on how to present their opinions in a fashion he finds satisfactory. And then he talks about Zelda a little bit which is the fucking highlight of this shitty video. And then proceeds to do the very thing he decries, by shitting on two movies and having the fucking gall to defend his unsubstantiated opinion with "Don't @ me." I don't use Twitter, but I think the very nature of the platform leads people to just write the conclusion of their thought process, instead of the thought process itself, which Arlo and every other agreeable human being would prefer to see. It's obvious he cares about Zelda, so the "drama" over the art style gets to him, but to make a preachy video about how to fucking state opinions in a manner he finds agreeable simply because some trivial Twitter shit annoyed him is utterly pathetic. Arlo's fucking elucidation of opinions is so banal, I cannot see how anyone that doesn't know the first thing about argumentation would find this to be anything other than annoying and unneeded. Like, I don't who this video is for. For children? For teens-to adults, which he seems to mostly gear his content to, despite the Sesame Street-esque muppet that undoubtedly attracts the stray literal Nintenyearold to his channel? Why do you not think the majority of this was a waste of time? How do you not see the hypocrisy? Why do you go out of your way to defend someone that'll never appreciate it? I became invested in this, before you ask me, to see your response more than to shit on Arlo's shitty video, which speaks for itself.

[@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093]

I dlnt really like the art style but i dissagree with the people who say that nintendo is just being lazy which i personally dissagree with.

[@kylecampbell565]

I’m so sick of Arlo disregarding stuff he isn’t a fan of as lazy. That word is starting to lose its meaning

[@raypolaris3381]

According to Arlo, you're close-minded and insecure if you disagree with him.

[@BigBenediX]

I believe the Zelda franchise has always been a big giant collection of different art style that in theory shouldn’t be able to work in one continuity and yet... it isn’t really bothersome. I just see it as different artists giving their own art style to add variety and contribute to that big artwork that is the franchise. If I don’t like the art style this time around, well I can sit this one out and maybe next time I would get something more fitting for my taste (such as BOTW 2 for example).

[@pseudonymous7557]

good point, and I really think that works for the Zelda franchise as a whole. each game is that age's retelling of the eternal story of Link's triumph over evil. it makes sense for Windwaker, for example, to look like a fun whimsical adventure because that's exactly how a seafaring, pirate- esque civilization would recall that story over a few rounds of rum

[@wyattmerrill2588]

I don't love the glossy look of the trees but I do like the look of the castle. My biggest beef is that Link doesn't seem to have any emotion in his face and that his head is so large. He looks like an elf from the old Rudolph the red nose reindeer movie. That being said, I'll most likely get it.

[@BugsyFoga]

I honestly really like it's cute chibi art style 😁👌

[@sealdogderp26]

I wish I can like it but I personally just dislike it as it is to cartoony for me ( still getting it prayers to like it)

[@sealdogderp26]

Tbh I am fine with most things just not link the dream girl is adorable but link is to cartoony in my opinion Edit I mean in people design not the world design

[@The_RedVIII]

It's not the chibi character that's the problem though, it's the plastic.

[@KuruptR]

Cool I hope the $60 dollar price tag is also cute 😁👌

[@krewl5820]

Yea it's wonderful

[@overrated2975]

Isn't it complaining to complain about the complainers?

[@ThePersonAwesome]

There’s a load of people complaining about other people complaining about the art style. Yet I’ve seen very few complaints with the art style. We’re perpetuating a problem that doesn’t even exist with videos like this.

[@Navarchil]

He's not saying we shouldn't complain about anything, just that we should be stating reasons instead of calling the other person to be 'idiots', 'fanboys' etc, which you see from a lot of video game debates. Just look at the Pokemon Let's Go fights XD

[@tagonizer]

@@ThePersonAwesome I mean, by definition a complaint is a negative opinion. So, technically, Arlo is complaining about the art style in this very video.

[@dtothee8730]

Everyone thinks the opposing side is the bad one. Arlo as well. To me, whomever says "you don't get to challenge my opinion" is the tumor of the problem. You wanna express? That's means somebody's gotta listen. You express to the public, the public is going to express back. If you don't want that, don't express your opinions to the public in the first place. Nice and simple. Calling names is out of the question though. Don't get me wrong.

[@epochthekid]

Galaxy brain

[@ferdinandavila-soto7233]

16:10 "Accuracy shouldn't always be the end goal of a remake. I think capturing the spirit of the original and expanding on it, overall improvement, should be the goal." I hadn't thought of it that way before. Remakes sometimes bug me when they change things from the original material, but in hindsight, that's a surface-level reading of a work. That quote's a good one to remember.

[@enskje]

One thing I missed you talking about is how people give unwanted hate towards a game because they don't like it. Saying the new Zelda is bad because of the art style is just plain wrong, saying you don't like it is just.

[@paulfritz3552]

Yeah that's the thing. When some people say they dislike something, they act like that thing is utter garbage that needs to be thrown away. They get extremely insulting which is why a lot of people get defensive. But like Arlo said, there is a lot that does the reverse.

[@willcollison1144]

if they did this game in the anime/manga art style in the intro then mmmmmmmnnnnn this would be perfect

[@ursquidicuss8964]

To anyone trying to comment first: blue shell

[@krush333]

But them "first" folks have stars and mega horns

[@ursquidicuss8964]

@@krush333 Two racers have used boos and have stolen both items and there remains no protection.

[@DrippyD4433]

*spiny

[@steel1906]

They get to a random block, and get a mushroom boost out of the way

[@robintst]

I really didn't see the "toy" look of the aesthetic until you mentioned it. Still think it's adorable as all get out.

[@kaysonoleen5261]

I just think it’s funny people will dislike cartoony/cutesey Zelda when ... THE FREAKING GORONS

[@Aquaticset]

in my opinion, i like the style for the game, it makes the game feel more new and glossed over like a toy ( like you mentioned ) but your opinion is also understandable, it is a little over the top maby sometimes

[@cubersanonymous5180]

Maybe*

[@parkinsoft1810]

"You are not the thot police." -Arlo, on May 1st 2019

[@theultimategamer3989]

Ain't it March though

[@11Legorex]

I was not expecting this going into the comments but I can't say I'm disappointed, well done sir

[@mitsuko6274]

I absolutely love this art style but I can respect your opinion, Arlo. I can see why someone may dislike it but my first time playing this game was such a positive experience that I don't mind the toy like style and thinks it gives it a lot of charm.

[@ihatestairs9034]

I’m not a big fan of the art style for Zelda games, but it would be absolutely PERFECT for a new Earthbound game.

[@tiqosc1809]

mother 3 in that art style

[@SJPace1776]

The big thing that Nintendo did to botch the Winder Waker reveal was showing that Ocarina render at Space World. Everyone was so pumped to see that Link. That eventually did happen at E3 when Twilight Princess was revealed which ranks among the biggest gaming moments I've experienced in my life.

[@anibalhyrulesantihero7021]

I would love to see Oracle of Ages and Seasons remade for the Switch.

[@Ridley369]

Hell yes.

[@Grail_Quest]

The negative reaction to Wind Waker's art style wasn't so much because people were "scared" of something new. Space World 2001 showed us a glimpse of what that next Zelda could have looked like. For the time, it was a dark, gritty battle fantasy with exquisitely detailed character models. Truly the next evolution of Zelda in its journey to high fidelity. With that, expectations were set. Then... sometime later, they unveiled Wind Waker. The difference was so stark, people felt like they had been punched in the gut. They were breathless, speechless. Wind Waker was hurt by short sightedness on the part of Nintendo's marketing team. It wasn't just the kiddie cartoon graphics. In fact, cel shading was becoming a popular visual medium for games of that era. (Mark of Kri, Wild Arms 3, Cel Damage etc.) In time the doubters would come to love WW, but for some of us, that initial let down lingered at the back of our gamer hearts, tainting the experience ever so slightly. I don't think it was ever fully exorcised until Breath of the Wild.

[@iceman00behave]

All true, except i feel like Twilight Princess was when most people finally relaxed about the art style (that was basically the realistic style everyone had been expecting for years). I still remember the initial e3 reveal trailer which you can still find on KZbin...people were losing their minds.

[@Grail_Quest]

@@iceman00behave Yeah. I remember that E3 reveal too. People cheering. Grown men crying. Pretty epic moment.

[@JoshJepson]

You do you, boo.

[@Naffuhs]

oh wow hi

[@Linktober04]

I don't dislike the artstyle, not gonna lie. But putting a 2d game where assets are placed on tiles into a 3d looking game is offputting for me in any game. Eg. Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire.

[@henrygutierrez3243]

Love ur pfp

[@hallarious506]

Why?

[@Linktober04]

@@henrygutierrez3243 okay

[@Linktober04]

thanks!

[@zacke.1286]

@Grand Admiral Thrawn with a grid system. Which was their point.

[@HartSickle]

I like the style...except for Link's face. Its so expressionless. Being a silent protagonist, he can only get character development through very emotive expressions. But no, he gets a face that is literally four lines. Its dumb. If they fix the face I will have no issues with this remake. Looks great!

[@TheMdub27]

I don't like how he's a silent protagonist

[@HartSickle]

@@TheMdub27 Well first of all that's what Link has always been. Would be weird to give him a voice. Everyone would hate it. Second of all its a remake of a game where he never spoke so its not like they would change that.

[@TheMdub27]

@@HartSickle you're 9

[@HartSickle]

@@TheMdub27 Lmao. Sure okay. Because someone who appreciates the artistry and tradition of leaving a protagonist mute in every game in a 33 year old franchise is 9, while the person who doesn't like it is MUCH older and wiser. XD

[@TheMdub27]

HartSickle k

[@UncleSporky]

Arlo: When someone expresses an opinion, simply state your different opinion, don't try say why their opinion is invalidated Arlo 5 minutes later: Some people have the opinion this is Wind Waker all over again, and while I can see where they're coming from, here is why I think that opinion is invalidated

[@Edible132]

He never said why there opinion was wrong, he just he saw things differently.

[@Andrew-hz5zc]

There is a difference between having an opinion and believing something is a certain way. The difference is this. "I think the moon is made of cheese" is believing something is a certain way. It can be fully or partly proven or disproven with facts. "I think it would be cool if the moon was made of cheese" is an opinion. It's not right or wrong factually. Arlo was saying that many people think the Links Awakening controversy is similar to the Wind Waker one. Like he said, they are similar, but are literally not the same thing.

[@XJ-0641]

I'd be fine with the artstyle... if they didn't give us that _gorgeous_ opening cinematic with such stylized visuals. There is one other way I would love the artstyle: If, as the game progressed, the artstyle slowly deconstructed itself. As the tone shifts darker, the visuals shift to something else. Not necessarily more realistic, just different. Its a great style, just not a great fit when they literally showed us an amazing art style that *fits*

[@EdwardClayMeow]

I found that shift in style from opening to gameplay jarring as well. Had they picked one style or the other I think there would have been fewer people having problems with it. Not sure how many, but at least a few.

[@Rex_The_Mouse]

8:37 I don't think people are upset because they want to start an argument. It's just this whole 'meta' argument that folks do where they pretty much describe how everyone is overreacting and need to stop talking because it's just an opinion. Where really, as invalid as an opinion is, it really shouldn't be shut down. "Those who cling to perceptions and views wander the world offending people." And no Arlo, I'm not saying you're "simply wrong". I don't want to think the way you do.

[@thisissparta77]

wow never knew anyone could roast arlo lol

[@Wildcard-Jack-47]

Rex The Mouse but he isn’t saying stop expressing your opinion he is saying stop harassing people for their opinion you are using an argument that has nothing to do with the original point

[@Rex_The_Mouse]

​@@Wildcard-Jack-47 Shutting down any comment, as flawed as they are, is really hypocritical to your own opinions. That's all I'm saying.

[@Wildcard-Jack-47]

Rex The Mouse no one is shutting down opinions where are you getting this he is just saying it’s bad to harass people for their opinion

[@somescrub885]

@@Rex_The_Mouse "And no Arlo, I'm not saying you're "simply wrong". I don't want to think the way you do." Have your cake and eat it too, huh? *"I don't think I'm better than you, but I am because I don't think that."*

[@supermaiofroge]

Says I like the art style: Is blasted for linking an art style that looks to toyish and simple Says i hate the art style: Is blasted for not being able to apreciate something new and is called tasteless Why can't we be respectfull of eachother? Also #Allthehashtagsattheendofthevideobecausetherewerewaytomany

[@jcplays236]

That Mario Fan Boy ! Because thats the internet for you

[@supermaiofroge]

@@jcplays236 Amen Brother

[@supersmashbro596]

not saying you have to like this style. but as someone who is highly nostalgic of the original game who has played it front to back countless times. there is one perfectly justifiable story-related reason for the shift in art style from the intro cutscene. and if that's what they are going for, i truly commend nintendo.

[@Lightspeeds]

I'm giving you a like just for the hashtag.

[@GcorpCoPrez]

supersmashbro596 🤔 i need to finally beat this game asap. Ive had the game as a kid but never beat it cuz i stuck at many points. Ahaha. I’ll have remember your comment and see for myself if the shift in style is truly for that reason you stated. *despite knowing the story related scenario, i wanna exp myself*

[@WeissM89]

The art style is so cute! I'm 5 months away from being 31, and it kind of brings me to my childhood, sitting on the floor with my toys all over the place. I love it. Wait, you don't like SS's art style? I respectfully disagree with you and still want to be your friend, but you deserve a disapproving frown. The Wii made some games look very blurred and washed out. TP is a very good example, and to me, SS's aesthetics were an improvement.

[@unformedeight]

Nicely contradicting yourself there buddy. If anyone thinks he sounds off on his reasoning this has been immortalised in EFAP 62 53:15 onwards

[@lieutenantnomad9198]

🦏🥛

[@sparkypack]

He got Maulered.

[@cubby4ever2011]

Just came from there.

[@emmapegouske]

Aw shit, long man fans have found Arlo

[@NapaCat]

Who's EFAP, and how does Arlo contradict himself?

[@MasonOfLife]

I agree and disagree. On something subjective like an art style it’s totally okay to like or dislike it...and to try and say someone is wrong for disliking or liking the art style and they only feel how they feel for some “stupid reason” isn’t warranted and is uncool But on certain other stances where opinions are based out of ignorance or from an uninformed stance, a stance with a very limited perspective, I feel to encourage growth in the individual and to spread awareness of the bigger picture, so that the whole picture is available for people to see is a very good thing to do. For example, if someone who only likes comedy movies, makes a video about how the Godfather is a bad movie, a boring movie...I feel it’s appropriate to at least offer them the opportunity to see why it is a well made movie. You can say but look at the acting, the editing, the score, the writing, the camera work, the character arcs, the symbolism, etc, etc. And just because they don’t see all of those things or don’t hold any value in them they say the movie is bad...even though it’s pretty much an objective truth that that movie was well made, even if it’s not to a certain person’s tastes, to say it isn’t well made is frankly, wrong. And so I believe it depends on the situation whether or not opinion policing is appropriate or not. There is often so much that a person just doesn’t see that leads them to hold the stance they do If a man starts saying “hey I want to eradicate allJews I believe they are inferior beings” it is crucial to band together and speak out against that person (maybe not violently unless necessary to prevent violent acts on the innocent) and maybe don’t make them the “enemy” try to help them understand why killing millions of innocent people may be the wrong stance to take, how there is a perspective they are not embracing, (being the perspective of “these people are people and have value and rights just like I do just like my family does”) If they don’t change, maybe don’t foster hate against them (hate held in the hearts of anyone is a poison) but be sure to stand and state your position and stand together with those who share it, being watchful that the person who stands against you doesn’t commit any harmful acts. But anyways went off rails a bit there... The point being in some cases it’s okay to just have two different opinion and not try to sway the other, in other situations it’s important to offer an educated view on the subject to prevent the opportunity for growth in that person and for the broader view of the subject by the masses to be understood with more depth and nuance.

[@TheAlibabatree]

Your idea of "growth" is also just an opinion. We have an innate desire to try to force people to "understand" art the way that we do. Which is a selfish, narcissistic thing to do, and so we make up excuses and lie even to ourselves. We say "its for the betterment of society" or "cultural enrichment". But really, its just our personal perspective that we are trying to force on others. The Godfather is not an objectively good movie. Its just a movie that a lot of people really appreciate. Art is subjective. Live and let live.

[@MasonOfLife]

TheAlibabatree well firstly, progress and expanse is growth, not an opinion, you are growing your mind when you are expanding the information you hold in it and expanding your awareness of the intricacies of something, it is a calculable growth. My opinion on what is good or not good is an opinion though. To want people to make decisions from a larger base of information is a personal subjective value I have, but I’m happy enforcing that...it’s called EDUCATION In terms of art being subjective...some art is more subjective than others....film is very much more objective than subjective...wether a person enjoys a movie is subjective but wether or not it is well made is 90% objective. You can go to school and study what makes an actors performance good, what makes a character well written, deeply written, accurately written to human psychology...you can understand the skill that goes into the composition of a movie’s music, and the many, many more intricacies of making a film, with a depth of understanding in all these different areas you will find that objectively good films very much do exist. It’s a cop out to say art is subjective, only someone who hasn’t studied film would say that... sure wether or not a person enjoys them is subjective, but wether or not they are skillfully made or well made is mostly objective. It’s like cooking....You can cook a meal well or badly...that is different from wether a person likes your meal or dislikes it...but in terms of cooking it depends on the tongue of the eater, where a lot of times the viewer of a movie can make decisions based out of ignorance. It’s not a physical thing like taste buds, it’s the awareness and knowledge of the nuances of film. Not knowing what goes into the writing, editing, cinematography, acting, etc they decide wether or not a movie is good based on wether it has cool action and hot girls...which is fine but just because they didn’t like it, doesn’t mean it was poorly made..and if they knew more, they could like it But nevertheless I agree you shouldn’t be telling someone how to feel, just in certain situations it can benefit people to make more educated opinions

[@dtothee8730]

@@TheAlibabatree Dude, if we can't agree on "growth is a good thing" as a concept, then we can't live together as a society. It feels like you're too caught up in the "everything is subjective" mindset. I used to think like that so I kind of see where you are coming from. When you try to break down even the simplest, basic values of how we think and what we are as a society, saying "Everything is subjective so you don't get to criticize any of my opinions", then there's no where for us to go. Like, what's your point? Yeah is saying his opinion is subjective. We all know it's subjective. Your opinion is subjective. I know you know that your opinion is subjective. I actually subjectively agree with your subjective opinion. So why did you comment that as a reply to Yeah's comment? Again, what's your point?

[@R0DisG0D]

@DtoTheE I agree with most of your statement, but breaking down the simplest values is not the same as claiming that everything is subjective. One example: the idea that god made man and woman and that man and woman were meant to be together used to be so common and such a core part of life that many didn't even consider the possibility that it could be different. Breaking down that idea has lead an increasing acceptance of homosexuality and recently non-binary gender identities, wich in my book is definitely a step in the right direction. So I'd suggest trying to break down even the simplest, basic values to critically examine wich ones are worth holding on to.

[@dbiii231]

This.

[@metalgearman242]

I thought this was a really well worded video. Arlo for president. 2020. Let’s remind people what compassion is

[@dannyalfonso7241]

Trump 2020 babyyyy

[@JSchaffer214]

Really? I thought it was his worst video thus far. He came off very condescending and hypocritical at times. I got the feeling he's one of the one's taking things a bit too personal.

[@metalgearman242]

T. Riley Roo I felt that way at 1st too. But I felt towards the end he was coming from a really good place, as this is a family oriented channel, listening and being respectful when having a discussion is a great lesson for young interneters

[@trceb]

Lol could you imagine a puppet getting up on stage... oh wait.

[@weiker2103]

Just seems like he is advocating for arguing against the opposing viewpoint in the beginning of the video. He's saying that you can't oppose opinions at all, and doesn't believe there are any criticisms.

[@MarioXMan100]

I agree with everything you said Arlo except I feel you didn't condemn some of the actions on the other side or show that the other side of the argument has been guilty of many of the things you condemn the liking side of doing as well. Also I feel there is also some people who have taken a step over criticizing the game over to just insulting it and I don't think that that is a very constructive way to share criticism and that should be address too.

[@whippie3650]

“You are NOT the thought police” Yea well I’m the THOT police

[@anthonywestover5326]

Whippie 36 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂😝😝😝😅😜 💃🏻👮🏻‍♂️💃🏻👮🏻‍♀️💃🏻👮🏻‍♂️

[@KuruttaKoibito]

Nice

[@officalatom4055]

Yeah, but the “everything’s made of stuff” theme isn’t really the theme in Links Awakening...it’s not tied in with the gameplay like the games you mentioned..it’s just a visual

[@yukiuzumaki7154]

Well the clay Kirby game was using it as game-play but other then that but I agree with everything else you said.

[@ImThatSami]

HOOGY SPOOKY!!!!!! (I can't come to any event you said but typing that looked like fun)

[@marijandesin8226]

My dear Arlo tolerance is not just about not throwing punches Its also about sucking it up! Tolerance shouldn't go just one way. Also opinions and arguments are supposed to be immature. Don't you know how many little kids are on the internet. And as they grow up and mature new ones pour in :) !! Its a miracle of life! And its full of acne:P

[@TOMMYTV-xl5fb]

The art style is fantastic.

[@happymaskedguy1943]

TOMMY.TV I disagree. The art style is kiddy, unoriginal and jarring. I don’t like it.

[@OutOfTheShadows1]

@@happymaskedguy1943 I can see why, But I kinda disagree, it look's decent (although I'd prefer the link between worlds style for this tbh). but I'd like to wait for the final release before completely judging it.

[@LittleLionRawr]

I think it looks fine. Definitely like how they translated the original to 3D. Really like they're keeping so true to the original. I also think the shiny unrealistic style fits with a story that's not happening in regular reality. I would definitely also like to see a Zelda in the anime style of that intro but I don't mind this one isn't that. In fact, I'd rather have a completely new Zelda in that art style so that the game can be designed from the ground up with that art style in mind... I definitely don't think the art style is unoriginal/jarring. Maybe child like, but that's not an issue. There's really nothing wrong with that.

[@bringmeliara1286]

The art style's fine for what it is- definitely just the exact same game, but they took the sprite sheet and converted it to 2.5d. and for a zelda with mario elements in it, I think it fits well enough. Mario loves being plastic and I love plastic mario. To me zelda can be any art style, I don't think it has a set identity in that department. If this had been a brand new game, no one would have raised an eyebrow. This one just feels kind of jarring, for a remake? when they remade majora and oot and windwaker that was nicer, because thats how good I thought it looked when I was a kid. they didn't completely change the style of them. which, by the way, there's nothing wrong with trying new art styles. they're everywhere and zelda does it ALL THE TIME. but if you're remaking something and you want it to be completely faithful, I don't get why that would be the one element to make a complete departure. Personally, if i want to play the exact same game i enjoyed as a kid, I'll just go pick up the exact same game i had as a kid, or emulate it. i don't want brand new graphics because thats part of the charm. but a lot of people do, they want their old games to look just as good as all the new ones. so just update the sprites so they look modern. It's not like 2-d, pixellated games don't sell anymore. fix the colors, add more frames to the animations, update the pixel count- improve what you already have. thats the whole point of a remake, isn't it? if you keep everything the same except the style, then whats the point? Why wouldn't you keep making changes? that would be like them only changing the music. or just changing the mechanics of the game. either do a faithful remake, or go all out with a reimagining. These half-way things just seem to put people off, and they give me a weird vibe, personally. I don't know, those are just my thoughts on the situation. I'm not huge on remakes anyway, since I figure the games already been done, why do it again? and actually I kind of always hope it'll end up being what the developers would've made if they had done it today, instead of way back when. I know thats not at all what anyone but me wants to see, but its always a little disheartening. maybe it feels a little like wasted potential? I just want new games from nintendo, not more of the same old. again though, thats just me. like seriously, Ive yet to see another nintendo fan, aside from Arlo, who wants to see something brand spanking new and exciting for these awesome franchises. which is why he so fun to watch. we can get super hyped and raise our hopes impossibly high, and then be disappointed together :p

[@gamersinger5118]

@@LittleLionRawr It is just trying to keep as faithful to the original as they can while giving it more than just a slightly noticeable in it's artistic change. First time I saw it I thought this was weird. Now looking at it especially compared to the original it actually does make sense trying to keep the feel of the original which was a great charm of the original.

[@mrapollo_17]

I only picked up this game because of the art style. I had never played a top down Zelda before

[@Marq5104]

Well, before Wind Waker there was also that EPIC trailer (with Gohma or something in 2001 if I remember right) and gave people an idea, and then WW was the opposite of that idea. I love this cute art style for Link's Awakening, and I don't see why it's controversy is compared to WW. Even so, everything at the beginning you said about turning discussion into an argument is quite true.

[@HatInLime]

Honestly I really loved the artstyle until you mentioned the whole 'surreal' angle. I still like the artstyle enough, but I can agree that having a more weird, dreamlike artstyle would fit the game more. Interesting commentary. :>

[@cantbehelped]

Imagine walking into gamestop and seeing Link's Awakening right next to Breath of the Wild, both $60

[@0_Cardboard_0]

3:10 BEGONE, THOUGHT!

[@orangeandblack5]

Honestly, as much as the artstyle is "meh", I'm SO excited nonetheless. I've wanted to play Awakening for AGES but never got to pick it up.

[@PsychoDiesel48]

same!

[@geesegalore5594]

I'm super hyped as well. I beat the game before, but its been so long, so I'm excited to rediscover everything.

[@HamsterCrusher13]

You're in for a treat, awakening is one of the best in the series.

[@Xenobladeplayer60]

You been waiting ages to play link awaken? The gbc version is available right now on the 3ds eshop.

[@orangeandblack5]

CharlesUnleashed that changes nothing for me lol

[@deadtheories4170]

Personally, I think it's the most beautiful game ever made and by a long mile

[@gulfgiggleanimations4472]

My big problem with the art style is that claymation is just a weird choice for a link’s Awakening remake. It doesn’t have the room to capitalize on the fact that it’s clay like Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, and it doesn’t have a history of official art of the characters in the medium of clay like earthbound. Not to mention that I was really hoping for a new 2D Zelda with hand drawn artwork and this is neither new or hand drawn.

[@jordanwiley4582]

i dont think you know what claymation is...

[@gulfgiggleanimations4472]

It might not be a “clay” artstyle, but the easy comparisons to Earthbound and Kirby and the Rainbow curse make it seem like clay to me. Even if it wasn’t intentional, it still feels like clay to me, but it probably wasn’t right on my end to criticize Nintendo for an artistic choice they likely didn’t make in the first place.

[@ChristopherMoom]

Gasp! You disagree with my opinion?! *_That's it, you're automatically a terrible person, because only my opinion is correct!_*

[@DoomRater]

Chara avatar 100% accurate for this comment

[@geesegalore5594]

NO! *Your opinion is the wrong one!!!* ...also how do you get italic words...?

[@dexiedoo_octo]

@@geesegalore5594 underscored around the phrase

[@spencerharrison8662]

I disagree on your opinion on opinions

[@Envy_May]

why are you everywhere

[@INCINERATEDD]

I love the plastic Also this is a dream world in links head 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@J_Wales]

Worth pointing out that before windwaker was announced there was a GameCube techo demo released that showcased a next gen fight sequence between OOT style Link vs. Ganondorf…and it was an absolute showstopper. Showing this off to fans and then pulling a switcheroo with windwaker was hard to swallow back in the day. Windwaker aged well and became loved my many of the skeptics, but man oh man, that demo still makes me wonder what could have been. This kinda separates the comparison a bit

[@funnifunk]

I think the style is fitting. Links awakening is a wacky game from the look of it. (Haven't played it) but if a game has a giant egg on a volcano, then I want the games style to compliment the giant egg. No hyper-realistic eggs for me. Nope. Not one.

[@blinkingberry9591]

I get that, but there's a middle point between hyper-realism and super-cartoony-cutesy graphics.

[@funnifunk]

@@blinkingberry9591 yeah, true. Maybe a bit less sheen and polish. Like, those trees. Those damn trees...

[@refinedwrath9030]

@@merchalternative8338 the world looks pretty lively

[@pantslesswrock]

I think the look is very ambitious, making it look like little clay models coated in a glaze and brought to life. Plus, the gameboy Zelda games were always the wackiest of the bunch - heck, the most serious of them is Minish Cap, the game with the talking hat. LA and the Oracle games are wacky fun with quirky characters, dumb jokes, and also this game is quite literally a fever dream, so the "fake" plasticy look really compliments the heightened sense of unreality when you take a chain chomp for a walk, jump on a goomba, and go to a dance party with a big blue talking bear. Not a Zeldaesque bear type humanoid from a distinct race and culture of blue bears. Just a big ol blue bear who likes to sing. I'm hype.

[@Alias_Anybody]

The original was actually pretty dark and bittersweet at times and I don't think that level of chibi really fits, no matter how wacky the rest is.

[@thepikazapper0522]

I really like the style, it’s nice and not too *WHOA DEM GREPHICS!* A Zelda game should look however the devs want it but also keep its identity as a popular franchise. It captures the old gba top-downy feel of the original and it fits great imo

[@lawthirtyfour2953]

I don't think how much the developers like the style of the game makes it any more enjoyable if they do it well.

[@blinkingberry9591]

In my opinion, the game would look better with less polished graphics. What? You think I'm contradicting myself? Who cares.

[@earthculture2996]

“Kenny killed his brother when he threatened to tell Kenny’s girlfriend when she was cheating”. “I respect your opinion, but this is mine. Kenny never killed anyone. The “blood” on his hands was jam and what his mother saw was just a dream. She was drunk”. “Well. I respect that, your opinion matters. But I believe...”

[@bensjammin9]

Context is definitely important. I have mixed feelings on Link’s Awakening’s art style, largely because it’s a remake. If this art style were used for an entirely new top-down Zelda, I think I would be much more accepting of it (although I’m not a fan of the toy style used in games like Yoshi’s Crafted World and this new Link’s Awakening - it just doesn’t gel with me at all). But because it’s in a remake, I would prefer something more like ALBW HD. The anime intro to the trailer looked amazing and it was jarring to then be thrown into a plastic toy looking box of a game. I’ll still buy it, I will probably enjoy it, but... I def have mixed feelings on the style

[@alexperaza9475]

That's funny because I actually have the opposite opinion. I'm very accepting of the new Link's Awakening art style BECAUSE it's a remake. If they had announced a completely new 2D game and it had this art style? I think I would have been more resistant or disappointed by it. I don't know what it is, but I guess because it is a remake, nostalgia factors into it a great deal. And so the toy aesthetic makes sense to me because we also associate toys with feelings of nostalgia and it all comes together nicely for me. It's like, I dunno, breaking out my old Lego collection and building something with it.

[@bensjammin9]

Alex Peraza That’s fair. Actually I can kinda get behind that idea too, since the change in art style (whether one likes it or not) could be much less jarring if it’s just a remake since that’s more of a side project for them while they work on the big stuff. I still feel meh on the toy styled design, but your analogy is a nice way to think of it.

[@dox7681]

Your opinion is wrong because my opinion is different to your opinion, so it's the wrong opinion in my opinion.

[@Hex430]

I T J U S T W O R K S

[@higurashikai09]

It’s adorable, I want it Also: #WhereIsWindWakerSwitch

[@qioxqiox316]

Oh my God yes.

[@nickb6425]

Here we are at Zelda’s 35th anniversary, still asking this question lol. But heyyy Skyward Sword and joy cons! 🤣

[@patrickb1502]

I give this review a 8 rocks out of 10 rocks. Not enough rocks, but the one time they appeared was amazing and completely raised this video’s rock rating.

[@ohwowitsthatguy9154]

Breath of the Wild has very pretty rocks.

[@sebastiantaller3965]

While I like the style of the remake on its own, I do feel that creators really missed out on this old school cartoon aesthetic, that Zelda games around that time had going for them (which is beautifully captured in the remade intro for Awakening). I do appreciate all of the visual designs of Zelda games, and how they seemingly never really had unified style, but at the same time, I would really love a Zelda game, original or remake, that emulates those ilustrations in Link to the Past, Oracle games and Link's awakening.