Linus Hates “Fans”

[@JIOSGIABLOS]

If Apple will get away with removing the charging port, Samsung will make fun of it. But all of them will follow suit. I don't like supporting that.

[@kumbandit]

Sadly most large companies are brain-dead, they'd make zombies starve to death. They see someone being successful and instead of looking into what makes it that, hey let's just copy the most obvious thing they're doing...

[@SCP-tn2ln]

Apple removed the audio jack in 2016, it's been almost 10 years and other phones still have them, so why would this be the same? Edit: must be an American thing of them being so smooth brain to not do their research, but with phones from 2022 and onwards 817/1366 phones have audio jack, sure, some flagship phones don't have them, but that's more of a you problem for buying them and then complaining about it

[@halomika4973]

​@@SCP-tn2ln Very few of the bigger ones do

[@SetOfAllSets]

​@@SCP-tn2lnwhat phones still have headphone jacks?

[@andrewhuggins8146]

Years ago when i bought my pixel 3a. It was a major plus to have a headphone jack and it did, and i loved it and i rarely used it, i never used headphones actually, but it was very useful for connecting to car stereos. Now i have the 6a, no more headphone jack, no more music. 😢​@@SCP-tn2ln

[@krank23]

"Don't be a fan" is generally good advice. Don't be loyal to brands, or celebrities, or games. I know our dumb monkey brains like belonging to teams and throwing feces at the opposition, but I definitely feel like there's value in resisting that impulse. Being a fan means making worse decisions both long and short erm, benefitting mostly just the parasites at the top - the executives, the shareholders. And I think you know how much loyalty they feel towards you. It's a one way street.

[@morells09]

Hey how did you know about my feces-throwing tendencies?

[@SteOhara]

Not really. You can be a fan and still make good decisions. Im a die hard final fantasy fan, i can eadily not buy all their overpriced merch and choose when or if i want to buy the newest gane

[@raymondshiner1046]

I think in some cases it's totally warranted to be a fan. For example, some good hearted fun around sports teams, or red v blue, can create a sense of team and togtherness that is really quite cool. But as long as you don't become "fanatical" to the point that you forget that the alliance is all in good fun. I don't watch sports, but I think its cool that communities can rally together behind a flag and a team just due to location, regardless of the outcomes of that team. For example, all the stories of die hard fans to old/dying teams. There is some value in these kinds of blind allegiances, but not for legitimate or serious problems. Allegiance to local sports team regardless of if they lose? Great! Allegiance to large company or political party regardless of individual policies or actions? probably not fine.

[@emporioalnino4670]

​@@SteOharaBeing a fan of a piece of art and being a fan of a corporation are two very different things.

[@emporioalnino4670]

​@@raymondshiner1046You may find what Durkheim said on this to be interesting. He called it "collective effervescence".

[@cyphaborg6598]

If they can buy Apple metrics for 20 billion imagine how cheap politicians are lol.

[@MetaMdad]

I have heard of coal and oil companies buying off politicians for as little as 10k. I was actually pretty insulted at that price.

[@doodlethenoodle1212]

think i've seen a graph somewhere showing that some go for as low as 2k$ to shill for your company

[@NiTeHaWKnz]

Last I heard, Meta has paid out $4MUSD for the tiktok ban.

[@blindfire3167]

@@MetaMdad Yeah, there's a town I live in near Houston in Texas, we have a total of 3 oil refineries, and another 9 other types of chemical plants and so on. It's pretty obvious that this town along with another nearby part of Houston is being polluted to the point where it's concerning and Abbott allows it since he's defended these oil/gas companies for so long. He's absolutely bought out easily.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@MetaMdad You see it as "buying them off", I see it as "confirming their existing true political stance by adding a bit of extra pocket money under the table". Most politicians are completely opposite of what they spew on tv and ad campaigns. The ideologies presented to get voters in is nothing but that. They talk what they believe people want to hear.

[@glennwatson]

I don't see what Linus has against a good ceiling fan. They can help cool in the summer.

[@daltoonybob]

fans don't cool. in fact they heat.

[@sabokizi]

​@@daltoonybob Humans cool down by radiating heat from the skin into the ambient air. If the air is still, the skin will heat up this air but then will have trouble radiating any further heat. Fans prevent the ambient air from being still. Which means that the heated air (by the skin) will quickly be replaced by cooler air. In the grand scheme of things, fans do heat (second law of thermodynamics). However saying they don't cool humans is incorrect.

[@rose47000]

@@sabokizi jesus christ you killed him

[@solitivity]

@sabokizi Damn bro, you didn't have to do 'em like that. 😭

[@MimOzanTamamogullar]

​@@sabokizi Bro took it personally

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

I bought an AMD A9 chip because it served my needs and I wanted to support market competition. That purchase was _objectively_ good for me because it helped an Intel competitor survive long enough to get us to where we are now. I threw them a bone while their product was good enough, and today we don't have a monopoly.

[@robeagleR]

Yeah now we have a Duopoly 😅

[@CrAzYpotpie]

The statement of a single man who looks at his singular contribution as if it held some immense power, truly funny. Sure, you were but a miniscule cog in a giant array of stacks of cogs, but lets state it in a grand way where you compress hundreds of thousands to millions down to yourself to sound more important.

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

@@CrAzYpotpie The flood doesn't exist without the drops. You're free to read any ego between the lines that you wish, but it only makes you sound oddly angry while missing the point. Even if AMD had ultimately failed, I'd have still bought that A9 for the same reason. The point is that there are rational reasons to purchase technically inferior products that meet your needs. Any grand narrative about how I'm the sole savior of AMD is just silly nonsense you made up and injected. I'd recommend some introspection as to why you would.

[@RenpySage]

​@@michaelkreitzer1369 I will always remember a green mushroom saving my cpu.

[@CrAzYpotpie]

@@michaelkreitzer1369 I wasn't reading ego between the lines, I read your poorly chosen words directly as they were and explained it all along the way. You getting upset that that was pointed out to you really isn't my problem.

[@Paz_Soldan]

"How do I address (fanboy behavior??)" You don't. Ever. Since time immemorial.

[@gerowen]

11:58 The "anything but" argument can be a powerful motivator. If company A makes a better product, but they're a royal piece of doody who employs child slaves, and company B makes a worse product and is slightly less horrible, I will probably buy from company B, maybe even if it means spending a little more money for a worse product. There are limits to this obviously; the product still needs to fulfill the purpose I'm purchasing it for, but the "anything but" argument is definitely something that factors into my buying choices.

[@gh8447]

Bang on. That's part of the reason why I don't buy Apple products - my conscience just won't let me.

[@REXae86]

Thats just dumb.

[@REXae86]

@@gh8447cry about it

[@tech6hutch]

Does any company do differently?

[@gerowen]

@@REXae86 That's your opinion, but the days of blind capitalism are ending. Today's shoppers care about doing business with companies that align with their values. It's not good enough to just make a good product any more; if you're a racist or you're dishonest or you do some other morally reprehensible thing, you're going to lose customers. That's just a fact of life in today's economy.

[@GarrettCrespo]

I’ll make the argument that it’s ok to be a fan. But it’s NOT ok to be a fanboy. The difference being that fans like products or services, but will think for themselves and critique the company they like. Fanboys are the kind of people who think that the company they like can do no wrong and will defend everything they do without out a single thought of their own

[@SammyNail]

As a Millennial over the age of 30 who goes to Disney on the regular, I cant agree with your statement more. I love the parks, but in general dislike what Disney puts out movie/tv/streaming wise. The last movie they put out under their own branding was Princess And The Frog, that was 2009. When i meet others who love the parks like me, they are often flabbergasted that I think the Disney product overall is trash and even loudly critique their faux-leftist ideals as a way to just make more money off those easily manipulated on that side of the fence. Even more shocking to those people is when they find out that not only am I leftist I'm also an LGBTA+ person as well. Despite all that though, I love the parks. There really isn't anyone going as hard in the paint on theming and immersive physical spaces as them. Universal is thankfully starting to close that gap, and I really want them to overtake Disney just so they'd stop relying on "being the best". Sorry I'm rambling now lol

[@Icon1306]

Being a Stan is not okay.

[@axeavier]

​@@SammyNail To each their own , I found the best star wars movie was the one Disney made, that being RO. Pixar still makes pretty fantastic movies. Nevertheless, even if for the sake of argument that disney made everything the way you liked it, that doesn't mean they should be supported. They still screw over a lot of people

[@georgehelyar]

​@@axeavierrogue one was good but it wasn't the only one Disney made. That's more like a stopped clock being right twice a day

[@2435Bits]

@@georgehelyar I mean this goes to the point more. You can like individual products, but also be willing to acknowledge that the brand can, and probably has, shitty products as well.

[@TheNexusGen]

I was a Microsoft fan for a few years. I had an Xbox One S, W10 PC +Surface Pro, and even a Lumia 950 XL. Stuff started dying and I didn't matter. Learned my lesson.

[@chickenindabox3169]

that mustve stung pretty badly, Microsoft is probably one of the worst brands to be a fan of

[@ffwast]

I got the first Surface Pro and Band 2 *super* cheap and really liked them but the company is just despicable. What they did to the Band and Band 2 was really disgusting.

[@KillOnS]

​@@chickenindabox3169It's really between them and apple lol

[@TheBucketSkill]

Oof not even a 360 loyalist... brutal

[@Zero]

I agree, they only do what's good for their sales. They sold me a $300 magic keyboard for my iPad and $150 apple pencil and not even two years later they no longer work with the new ipad coming out. If they cared about the environment they would have supported these expensive accessories longer with newer devices.

[@Bash70]

Linus' point on people complaining about whataboutism is spot on. You don't get to complain about it when you are engaging in blatant hypocrisy and double standards. And even more so when the people complaining are doing it themselves to deflect criticism.

[@kingzach74]

I'm blown away at how AMD stock is over 5 times higher than Intel now. That's mind blowing.

[@JMassa]

Market cap is only about 2x that of intel

[@ffwast]

Only if you're stuck in the bulldozer era.

[@JeffDM]

@@JMassa yep you compare the value of companies by market cap not price of an individual share.

[@shadowwsk3507]

That's not how shares work

[@axeavier]

I guarantee people will gladly pile on Apple in saying they've always hated it, give a bunch of reasons but will gladly go about their day liking other corporations while being more trustful of them. I wish we could get to a point where people realize not a single corporation tech or otherwise can be trusted and they will all screw you over as an employee or customer if and when they get the chance. Like in the case of apple, while they're obviously against right to repair but people don't make a single peep like with other companies like samsung. While Samsung does offer parts which is good, they still funnel money into organizations who's sole intent is to be representatives in court cases to shoot down any bills for R2R which is awful. Samsung should not be getting a pass in this situation. This should not be the who's marginally better olympics. Regardless of what it is whether it deals with people's health, worker's rights, R2R, taxation of corps, anything, people should be heavily interested in dismantling the power that they have and not giving them more

[@suspiciousfish1854]

Not reading all that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kingzach74]

I don't buy either Apple or Samsung. If ever I buy a phone or a tech device, I never buy directly from a retailer where money will go directly to that tech company. I almost always try to buy 3rd party.

[@oliverdurgen5953]

you don't have to trust a game company. for fucks sake... so fucking dramatic... just buy games or don't. its not life or death or taxes or food or health insurance or electricity... it's juts games... holy fuck man. it's. just. games........ some are bad and some are good.... same as it ever was. the companies that make them are never going to tell you when they are bad.... you don't need to trust them. just assume they re going to lie to you.... by them or don't...the choice is yours...it doesn't fuckin matter... god damn...there WAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!! more important issues in society, yeah? so don't fuckin play games and you wont have to worry about it.

[@atyj1]

​@@suspiciousfish1854your loss Why even comment that anyway

[@edmunns8825]

@axeavier well said sir!

[@4li145]

Love the product, not the brand

[@ashishpj]

yeah, this should reflect in every aspects of life.

[@Real_MisterSir]

Love the product. Hold the brand accountable to live up to that product's image in the future.

[@johnsalamii]

thats why i love macbooks yet fucking hate apple

[@DefinitelyNattox]

Thank you. That is why I use an iPhone and a Mac but constantly criticize Apple.

[@reactionaryprinciplegaming]

Ironically, there are some pieces of clothing I would have got from LTTStore, but I didn't because it had an LTT logo on them.

[@SegmentW]

The 3 black t-shirts I got from LTTStore are the nicest black t-shirts I've ever owned and my entire family agrees and none of them know what LTT is lol.

[@orlagh277]

I think they recognize that a lot of people think that way and that there's some stigma about wearing "youtuber" branded stuff. that's why they minimize their own branding and a lot of their clothing only have a small logo in one spot.

[@OrangeC7]

"Act like it personally, just don't act like it publicly" Linus' face looks so disappointed after Luke said that lol

[@micahvisser3772]

For the argument around if everyone bought the best product it would become a monopoly, I understand the reasoning/perspective. But for products that aren't for specs, people's needs can differ a lot. M&K is the best for shooters, but I play with a controller because of my cerebral palsy. There will almost always be an audience for alternative products.

[@ekcman]

Leave the billionaire companies alone.

[@Retromancer_Rackham]

Apple fandom is for 2 kinds of people, those who don't know anything about tech and those who think it is some kind of status symbol, both behaviours are npc-like. Champion a product if it deserves it, not a company.

[@Qwertworks]

I wouldn’t quite agree. I have used and still use a PC and a Mac. I would never get a Mac desktop but the MacBook has been so much better to use than many of the Windows laptops I’ve ever had. They are by far not perfect and there are definitely things I prefer on windows over macOS. But Apple does make good products. They are just hopelessly overpriced. It’s just a question of if these things are enough to justify the price to oneself. And for a lot of people it’s not. But it’s not like everyone who buys Apple products has no idea of tech.

[@Khalmoon]

People keep assuming that every person with an iPhone in their hand has tim cook in the other hand. That's not always true. Some people just looked at the competition and said... nope I like this one most. Same with Xbox, PS & Switch.

[@dankrigby5621]

@@Qwertworks notice he said "apple fandom" and not "apple users". i would assume he is refering to the people that always glorify apple and cant take any criticism for their products.

[@REXae86]

Or those that just want a phone that works 😂

[@REXae86]

@@KhalmoonTHIS!! Is the comment. Majority doesn’t care about this fanboy bs

[@solidmatzo]

What Linus was saying around 6:10 is exactly what drives me insane. In the US, Apple has insane influence and significance, so much so that people excuse the issues they have with Apple’s products or services because of ignorance and bias. It’s crazy. I don’t hate Apple but the whole stigma that exists in America around having an Android phone is primarily driven by how influential and prominent Apple is with their messaging, as well as the fact that a lot of Apple users aren’t super tech-savvy, and will easily believe in lies surrounding Android or whatever else.

[@_____alyptic]

Or go after 'Big Tech' as a whole: Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, Alphabet

[@Qwertworks]

I bought a bulldozer CPU. FX8350. I did my research at the time and knew it was kinda bad (maybe I didn’t exactly know *how* bad it was). It seemed to be enough for my gaming needs (and honestly it was) and the boards were cheaper … but a big reason was supporting the underdog. I also use Firefox even though other browsers have more features that I would like to have over here on Firefox land. But I don’t want the last non chromium browser to die. (Well there’s also Safari … I forgot xD … but not on Windows at least

[@Nina-cd2eh]

I got an 8350 back when it came out, just because it was cheap and had plenty of cores and high frequencies. It's what I could afford, and it turned out great. Still works equally as well, and no issues beyond it not comparing to modern cpus. They were pretty VFM back then, and no amount of complaining would have made me, or anyone I knew, buy the equivalent Intel at that time.

[@admiralkaede]

tbh u know how google is paying apple.... yeaaaa they are paying firefox around 500 million a year too thats over 90% of mozilla's entire yearly earnings they also pay out opera google pays offs basically everyone the thing is im my eyes firefox is not trustworthy what if google for whatever reason stops paying mozilla then looses 90% of its funding it will then need to lay off massive numbers of staff and then slow development they are also HIGHLY likely at that point to start doing the same bad things google and stuff does to try and make money the mozilla foundation has no real ways to bring in money and the amount of donations they get from users is a joke and isnt paying for hardly anything

[@Mf_Cooldawg]

Linus yells at clouds

[@JamilaJibril-e8h]

Its shit he's right ...

[@triccks6184]

Man, I'm a fan of Linus Media Group lol

[@rickkarrer8370]

Linus’ head going to explode lol.

[@pvshka]

Bro, he explicitly told you to NOT 😂

[@ffwast]

Don't be. You heard him.

[@Genesis8934]

4:40 Depending on levels of fanaticism, any sort of "Apologist" type of person for a business feels like a (slow?) slide into a corporate hellscape you see in dystopian media content (i.e., Continuum, Cyberpunk 2077). edit: 10:35 What Luke mentions is something I did for a while after I built my first PC. I avoided Seagate as a drive manufacturer because I got a bad drive in my first build. I went straight to WD. Until recently (within the last 5 years), I maintained that stance, and now I feel comfortable buying used drives on the cheap.

[@ffwast]

Funnily enough I had the opposite experience. I had several WD drives die and didn't buy another one for like 15 years.

[@drackar]

I bought bulldozer because it was on steep, steep discount at the end of it's life, and I was broke AF. That CPU lasted me most of a decade.

[@0xTJ]

When I was last shopping for a GPU, the salesperson at Canada Computers was trying to get me to switch to an Nvidia card at a similar price, but their recent actions as a company have pissed me off, so I'm not interested in buying a product from them for a little while. I'm not a fan of AMD, but they've done fewer notable bad things that I've cared about recently, so they got my money that time. Same reason that I don't own a Switch, even though I really want one; Nintendo's actions towards the creators and their customers have made me not want to hand over my money.

[@EndureTyrant]

I think its okay to buy an inferior product if you do it because you're more interested in market competition than having the best thing. Basically fueling competition rather than buying the best experience possible. Its like the guy at LTT who dailys ARC because he's an enthusiast. He wants intel to succeed, but its obvious its inferior for most workloads.

[@Jackaroe702]

I have an example of competition being bad: streaming services

[@auslanderalex5464]

My counter argument to that is that the studios are engaging in anticompetative behavour by licencing to only one streaming service, instead of selling it to all the streaming services. (Even worse some studios own streaming platforms) If you are an American you already have a system in place to prevent such behavour in the auto industry. Auto dealerships and manufacturers must be seperate. It should be done with studios and streaming services for the same reason.

[@admiralkaede]

@@auslanderalex5464 actually the auto dealerships being seperate now a days created a worse problem as your paying far more because of the middle man fees and BS needing to haggle to not get ripped off also most of the dealerships now are owned by massive corperations as well that bought up a bunch of the small dealerships i think that law should be repealed in return dealerships get to stay around but need to find a real way to offer a service also they can always sell USED cars a massive market no reason we shouldnt be able to buy from the dealer also theres a bunch of car brands that would still compete so its not like they could easily jack up prices not to mention used cars

[@Shreyasrangasai]

I have another situation not discussed here, where you might buy an objectively worse brand. This pertains to the idea of vote with your wallet. If a company has the best product but have bad practices, then choosing to not support that company is not a clown decision. You still have a need and hence fill that with the next best item not from that brand.

[@MrRecorder1]

10:00 - I was a student in ~2010 and could afford my fx-6300 for 50 Euros (only CPU... I had to resort to buying a "Rasurbo" PSU because of budget constraints... urgh). It seemed like a good tradeoff to me for doing some gaming but mainly compiling C++ projects. It did fine and I ran it until 2019. It struggled but kept up!

[@renchesandsords]

"it's hard to find a similar example in the tech space" didn't this topic start with Apple? They've been doing the anti repair/consumer thing for a while

[@natetheaverage5270]

I go on a bike tour in Michigan called DALMAC and occasionally I'll see people with an AMD jersey and I always wondered where they got it, I guess it's just a thing they sell. $35 is a pretty reasonable price for a good bike jersey, I kinda want one now.

[@Balancatraca]

never forget that sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistiguishable from malice...

[@emporioalnino4670]

Stupidity or malice, I don't really care. If the outcome is bad, the outcome is bad.

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

I love how Linus argued against himself here. "Don't be a fan of anything." => "AMD fans saved AMD." 😂

[@kingzach74]

I'm not a "fan" of any company but I do try to support the underdogs whenever I can. Mostly because I support competition and giving money to only the companies that are the most successful doesn't make sense to me.

[@Sued3y]

When it comes to tech I’m not taking a shot in the dark on some unknown product. When people’s hard earned money is being used they will always go with the KNOWN brand. It’s the logical choice and the right one.

[@skeleton_craftGaming]

The trust part of antitrust law is when these companies would go & non-compete agreements forming intercompany trusts. Antitrustful law isn't anti-monopoly law It is anti-anti-competitive behavior law which is why you see the government weighing things like are these companies being anti-competitive not just are these companies monopolies...

[@pizzabuff]

They insist on not seeing Apple's flaws because recognizing the company they truely are makes people feel insecure about themselves for liking the product. Good thing I don't even like the product.

[@hybrid9mm]

Competition does drive innovation you only have to look at the worst example of competition (war) for proof.

[@dosesandmimoses]

Thank you for this important message.. I really appreciate the team’s collaboration to bring awareness to the community. Gratitude… competition is the fundamental basis of capitalism. There is enough to go around for everyone! Thanks for having the sac to say it

[@zeshwonsos]

Or base your fandom on true value. price/performance. Price includes your data, attention and money. Performance includes power, platform and flexibility.

[@qu3nt]

how can you pay 60$ for a screwdriver not being a fan?

[@donduck7845]

I was today years old when I found out maybe Linus' was larger than average for his size face and I've watched LTT for years. I bet no one else thought it either. If anyone reads this and is self-conscious about something about themselves, know that in most instances you are the only one who notices and cares about it. You deserve to accept yourself like everyone should accept you for who you are.

[@menacingdonutz]

I work with someone that assumes every issue at work is malice and it certainly does cause problems for that individual. Everyone else still treats him fairly kindly but we also definitely don’t enjoy working with someone that always assumes we are bad people.

[@warmoaran3]

apple 'fans' are honestly the worst type of 'fan', they will defend apple (a megacorp) to a scary degree, and they will act like apple can do no wrong, and that apple takes care of them. remember, apple is the company that mainstreamed the removal of useful hardware features, like the 3.5mm jack, a removable rear (to get to the battery), MicroSD card expansion, or even the removal of the charging brick.. nobody should be a 'fan' of a company that cost cuts that much, yet people are slaves to apple. apple CLEARLY has a big hold on people, and clearly its a cult of some sort. that recent apple ipad ad, the people you'll see defending it, are apple fans, because they think apple can't be wrong, and that they're ""perfect"", and if apple screws them over, they will ignore it, meanwhile people with a sould, and or artists, will dislike that ad.

[@warmoaran3]

i do like certain companies, but not enough to blindly keep buying from them, I was a Samsung user, until it was time to get a new device, and since I wanted something useful, which my S20 FE wasn't, I decided to get a Sony Xperia, because I infact DO use the 3.5mm jack, and I DO use SD cards.

[@warmoaran3]

@orange_handle linus isn't an artist, he doesn't rely on most of the tools depicted being crushed. Many artists however, did say there was a lot wrong with that ad. The opinion doesn't mean anything if the person isn't relevant

[@fyrestorme]

12:50 Tailgating onto the "anything but" topic: What about boycotting a company because they use or employ unethical means to produce their products? Or even because they support unethical things with their money? I think that is very legitimate and a part of being a good consumer.

[@Sidowse]

Public-companies need competition because they don't care about the best product or service. They ultimately exist to make as much money as possible. However, competition is bad for private--companies that were born out of wanting to create the best product or service. Competitors of private-companies cut corners that ultimately hurts the consumer.

[@bubbasplants189]

its ok linus i love you.

[@hill2hell]

That's mostly how it works in society, that's why they say "a full can is quiet, an empty can makes noise." because people who can't think for themselves are often the ones who voice their concerns the most, and on the other hand the people who are wise enough to realize things are often letting other people do their thing out of respect and common decency. Also the analogy of a wise person sees the bigger picture, while the ignorant sees only a part of it. Wise people tend to notice the flaws in these things because they can analyze the whole thing and not just what's shown or told to them.

[@steveashford2721]

people sometimes forget that the etymology of 'fan' is fanatic nut you've only got to look in a few forums about certain things the see the fanaticism

[@lego_minifig]

20:40 yeah, I think I fall into that category. I am 100% the type of person that would be taken advantage of because of my overly understanding and trusting nature.

[@mrembeh1848]

There is still a big difference between a date that your phone could collect and the data that your browser could ever collect. Health data motion data pictures location… that is passive data there is always collected even without your active input. that is vastly different to what you’re searching deliberately.

[@teilanittv]

Sometimes its not holding grudges against a brand, but its fear that the same thing will happen again. For example, for AMD video cards back quite a long time ago, their drivers were really really bad. I used to love AMD for providing me a way to buy and upgrade my pcs. Just couldn't afford intel. My first premium video card that I purchased was an AMD circa 2007-8 which was kind of a beast of a card iirc. But the driver updates were atrocious, few and far between, and prevented me from doing a lot of things that I wanted to do at the time. So I switched to Nvidia for my next purchase and I love how much they updated their software and that their stuff just worked when I wanted it to. That was a long time ago, but my brain still thinks about that because people have told me that driver support at least until very recently has still been kind of slipshod. But then there is also that while I appreciate that AMD is doing their best to come out with competing cards, the dont come out with ones that are strong enough for what I want. Like, I dont need a 600w 3060 equivelant card thats bigger than a 4090. Yes im exaggerating but I hope you understand my point. CPUS though, hell yeah, Ill swap back and forth and Im very happy with my current AMD CPUs and well see what happens next upgrade cycle.

[@darkflux]

for the record, Luke's nose is slightly wider, Linus' nose comes out a bit further from his face.

[@ggwp638BC]

10:01 - To be fair, I don't think there is such a thing for 99% of products of "objectively better". There are brands from whom I wouldn't touch even their objectively good products with 10ft pole because I either despise their policies, know they will try to screw me over in some other ways, or had very bad experiences with them in the past to the point I don't feel like ever trusting them again. For example, Fiat, Ford, Chevrolet/GM, Honda, Volkswagen, Toyota all have their ups and downs, but if someone offered me a Peugeot for free I'd ask for the money instead or try to sell it out immediately. You wouldn't catch me driving that lion even if you tell me their new car is the objectively best of the year. The amount of trust and good will they would need to regain with me is so big it would take an impeccable track record for years for me to consider them. Even while AMD was down, for a lot of people Intel was likely their Peugeot.

[@Wolvey10]

I’d love to see an episode where you guys deep dive the food industry 🤣

[@grizzlypaws461]

How does the average person go about doing research before a purchase to ensure they purchase the best product? 1) We don’t have the time, money or knowledge to buy one of each product to test and return the ones we don’t want 2) We don’t know if the video review is honest or if they are biased, we don’t know if the blog post or article is biased 3) Reviewers can buy views and have bots comment 4) Online reviews on Amazon or other retailers can be bots, competitors, employees, companies giving customers incentives etc. In summary, I don’t know how one can be sure they are buying the best anything.

[@Exilum]

I am a big product fan. Not sure there's a brand I've ever been a fan of. Even my most consistent brand alignment, Madcatz, is simply because I really like their mouses (despite some quality issues), I don't really care about the brand itself. I've never and will never buy Madcatz products that are not mouses, simply because they're not what I need or what I'd like.

[@dspamers]

I wanna see Linus sitting across the table from Apple team countering all their BS claims in direct conversation that they have to respond to on the spot.

[@jaughnekow]

"we're apple, we love finding new ways to scam you. give us all your money."

[@breadone_]

as its every tech company. apple ain’t alone at all

[@jaughnekow]

@@breadone_ with other companies, it's okay to call them out but when it's Apple, the fans become triggered.

[@qu3nt]

ios is objectively best mobile OS if i could switch to android and have the same user experience i would.And i buy mostly 2 or 3 years old products or cheap versions like iphone SE.

[@justyouraveragegamer6142]

​​​​@@qu3nt I mean ios is so limited tho. No custom apps or other stores. No searching Google for whatever app you want and Installing the APK directly onto your device. Forced removal of things that a majority of users still use. Like the headphone jack back in the day for example. (I know that was a while ago just the easiest argument for that) But in terms of OS. Sure it's refined. But it's extremely limited to only what apple allows you to have. There's no freedom. And that works for your average joe who knows nothing about phones or tech in general and just wants a phone. But for people who actually use their devices to the fullest and everything they can do. People who love customization and freedom to download and play anything that they want that happens to exist out there on the Internet. Android is just plain better as an OS. The amount of games I've gotten on my phone. Like fan ports of console games. Or just random indie games off gamejolt or something. Stuff that has nothing to do with Google play. Just downloaded off the website and installed myself. It's great. Or emulators are another thing. The fact it took apple this long to allow an emulator on their store is crazy. Even if there were no emulators that you liked on Google Play you could go download retroarch off Google and install it directly to your phone. The sheer freedom and customization of Android OS. And the fact that you can download everything and anything that happens to exist on the internet to your heart's desire. Whatever apps whatever games you find that you decide that you want out there you can just get without even using the store. It allows such a bigger freedom that ios has never even tried to replicate. iPhones are pretty much just phones first and foremost. They can't really do much else. Which is unfortunate because the user experience is really good and their actual operating system is very well refined. (Even if I find the lack of buttons on the bottom of the screen odd. Like not having a back button, a home button, or a task view button is crazy to me and really inconvenient) but it's a very refined operating system but that just means that you can't do half the things that you can do with an Android. Honestly it's a very similar thing to Windows versus Mac. Mac is a very refined operating system with a lot of things that just work better on it. Like a lot of adobe products happen to work better on Apple devices. But Windows has versatility. As unoptimized as Windows can be. It allows for such a more customizable user experience. And you're not limited to "but does it work on mac?" Or "does it even exist on Mac" which granted that's less of a thing now. But there are still a good number of games that I play that are not available on Mac at all. Or apps that I use that aren't available on Mac. Windows simply has the versatility and the majority of things made for it. Which is a similar argument for Android. Basically I'm saying Android is the windows of the phone world. Unoptimized yes. But the versatility is unmatched.

[@qu3nt]

@@justyouraveragegamer6142 you can load the .ipa if you know how to do it tho. however i was just talking of iOS not apple in general.

[@FaisalAzizFizzy20000]

Linus telling his audience of people of who are “fans of corporations” to not be fans of corporations. Of course the whole comment section is trying to say he meant “fanboys”. No, he certainly meant fans. Anyone saying otherwise is deeply coping

[@italianbasegard]

9:39 Fastest flip-flop ever lol

[@chubbyBunny94]

Pls, can someone help me. What phone should I use then? I currently have an iPhone and other Apple devices

[@Sued3y]

Use whatever you want. This is honestly a nothing video, I think we are all smart enough to realize a mega corporation like Apple isn’t our friend lol.

[@qabsal]

10:27 just remembered when linus out in a street right after AMD announced zen2

[@Timoruz]

A lot of die hard Apple fans are literally children demanding their parents buy them the newest Apple product.

[@malcolmtaylor111]

Love my Tesla, don’t love Tesla people. This is a very well thought out discussion.

[@oalfodr]

I still hate MSI because the stuff they made before 2005, my hatred of Maxtor transferred to Seagate... That will never change.

[@Roxor128]

I've blacklisted ASUS for their lousy customer service. If I'm looking for hardware, I go "Nope!" the second I see their name attached to a product.

[@ScarfmonsterWR]

The weirdest and most disturbing thing about fanboys is that these people are having parasocial relationships with brands. Like, just stop and think about it for a second. They are treating a corporation, something which is not even alive, much less an animal or a person, like their best friend and family. I've seen people claim that disliking what a corpo is doing is equal to harassment because "corporation are people" and it's just insane.

[@darkflux]

there is a fine difference between a "fan" and a "fanboy". a Fan is someone who LIKES something. a Fanboy is someone who is OBSESSED with something, and vehemently defends is to the death, even when it is COMPLETELY in the wrong...

[@habitatLP]

...Linus bought a Porsche Taycan, clowning around 🙃

[@laitinlok1]

Well I feel like just some people will buy a AMD GPU for better Linux compatibility than Nvidia

[@em_the_bee]

Didn't they add Wayland support and started working on open-source drivers? I have an RX 6800XT and it doesn't seem to work with anything involving GPU compute on Linux, and video recording is kinda meh anyway (for other reasons). So anything you can realistically use the GPU for is gaming.

[@zalbert1098]

competition IS the reasolution of innovation not the other way around and THATS the truth

[@Voltaic_Fire]

You don't need to have a monopoly for anti-consumer evil to thrive, you only need a customer base that is unwilling or unable to leave the abusive corpo relationship.

[@vandalphilosopher1971]

Never attribute to malice to what can be attributed to "trust me bro"

[@ucVu-di6cx]

The holding grudges thing Linus talked about is actually the reverse of what people should do to video game companies these days. Gaming companies now aren't what they were years ago. I love Blizzard Entertainment and it was their games that brought me into the video game world. Right now they are a mess of corporate greed and other horrible things.

[@weirdyoda04]

I didn't buy AMD because I was a fan, I just didn't like Intel as a company.

[@Studio23Media]

I only use iPhones. I could not be more pleased with these anti-trust suits. They should make the products better.

[@Shadowgardenenigma]

20billion to keep them from making a search engine or 20billion to be the default search engine that people were gonna use anyway

[@LOLHICRONO]

damn i just checked that layoff site and its at 151k now

[@kyashwanthk]

Objectively better is an object which is different for each person.

[@Cal97g]

Arstechnica is full of people with very interesting if completely unhinged realities.

[@WyvernDotRed]

The one large company I consider myself a fan of to a limited degree is Valve. Which is for all the work put into the Linux ecosystem for the Steam Deck, adequately supporting old hardware and having a rather complete social media network deeper in the site that serves as a sound backup for all platforms I currently use outside of KZbin. While I do continue to look at them critically, if I get the choice between a Valve product that is adequate or something else which is better, I will pick the Valve option. Examples being generally buying games from then instead of Itch or GOG and now using a second-hand Steam Controller as a remote. The Deck is not, as it's the best, in some ways one-of-a-kind device for me that I have found 4 different uses for; as a Linux tablet, an improvised media player, a general game controller and the intended on-device gaming usage. While I do like Motorola, Lenovo, AMD and Intel (on anything but CPUs for a few more years) more than the rest, here I do still objectively compare before making a choice of product. There I do first look at said brand's offerings and strongly recommend them for their track record of good products, emphasising that not all releases are good. The people having made their choice on said recommendations having been satisfied with the picked products and those holding up well.

[@tomboss9940]

Most people know and want only google as search engine. Apple gives this as default and cashes in with google. While supporting duck and letting users choose 5 other search engines. Trying to do a "privacy oriented" own search engine would bring the EU & US antitrust organisations against Apple.

[@tenkaminari]

I'm not sure if Linus saw my question in other videos or it was someone else's comment. But as one of the person who questioned about monopolization, I would like to explain/excuse myself. I totally agree about having competition is good. But what I don't understand is why the process of creating competition is good. I know nothing about marketing or law, so based on oversimplified argument that I heard (Apple is monopolizing iOS) made me question about why company is not allowed to monopolizing their own creation just because other company failed to create a product that could compete with it. Even though it might not be addressed to me, but being labelled as a "fan" of a company because of questioning the argument to understand it more was a bit annoying. It sound to me like "I said it's monopolizing, then it's monopolizing. Just trust me bro." P.S. I understood a bit more about it from MKBHD's video about why it might be illegal.

[@costacoffee4life665]

Could not agree more. I use Apple and various other consumer electronics products but I would like to think I’m very aware of the process by which the product was made and the hypocrisy between the advertising and reality.

[@XionEternum]

The term "fan" is shorthand for the word "fanatic" and retains the same context. At best, it's loyal support of an entity whether an individual, organization, or company. At worst it's cult indoctrination or obsession. Human nature is to allow itself to be cult indoctrinated or obsessed. Even if the entity isn't fully embracing such tactics or condoning the mentality. On the flipside, the entity needs to be careful not to be overly opposed to obsession because this is how to create dangerous violently obsessed people. This trend towards obsession has a benefit for the to-be-obsessed in that it exposes their inner passion for whatever it is they are obsessing over. So it's a trend of loyalty to passion to obsession. None of which should ever be part of a parasocial relationship with any entity. Yet look at the fans of any major celebrity, Twitch Streamer, KZbinr, etc. There's obvious rampant obsession among those masses. Both for and against. We're in the midst of a global mental health crisis regarding this. One that can be assessed with three simple questions: Do you only buy one brand of anything? Are you a Swifty? How much have you spent on in-app purchases in the last few years?

[@gamingbud926]

The difference between "fan" and "fanatic"

[@Exilum]

I mean...

[@callibor3119]

Open source, free softwares and public domain. If we are not behind that, we are the reasons why these corporations do to us to their liking. This is the race for AI and a metaverse. And if we are not behind the codes, both hardware and software, of both AI and the metaverse, then what would we have left to care for once a good portion of technology are rendered useless?

[@kvernesdotten]

Defaulting to malice is kinda in the same boat as assuming guilt until proven otherwise, and thats not how our society is supposed to work. Its also not a war you will win if organizations and government systems start assuming the same about you.

[@Chickenplague1]

I am unfortunately one of those fans. I will almost without fail, buy a bethesda product, this being despite all their flaws. That being said, I will never begrudge the people who dislike what I like.

[@vizthex]

i built my PC 2 years ago and got an nvidia card because i wanted Shadowplay and didn't really care about the VRAM (i don't play triple A games very often, and always customize settings a bit too much on every game i play). and the Newegg deal came with Spider-Man, which i'd wanted since it came out but couldn't get (don't have a PS5 and am not interested in buying a console rn). my previous PC had an old AMD card (a 570) and it was ok, but not as good as i'd wanted (and i was CPU bottlenecked by a 4-core intel one). got my AMD CPU since it came with the Uncharted collection, and kinda didn't care about wanting AMD or Intel since they're basically identical for anyone who isn't an uber-nerd. Kinda got it cuz of the free game promotion lol.

[@24allix]

Always exceptions - when AM3+ came out I wanted to do an upgrade but I couldn't afford a new CPU, Mobo, GPU, Ram, etc. My phenom ii x3 was more than fine for the games I played & I really needed a GPU upgrade. Bought a new mobo, ram & gpu with the plan to upgrade the CPU when I could afford a faster one from the lineup. Anecdote I know, but not everyone replaced all their parts or bought a whole new computer when they upgraded. Also remember that Intel was throwing new sockets around like they were candy at that time & it was super annoying if you wanted to go the piece-by piece upgrade route (which was the majority of the enthusiast market). AMD was the upstart, pro-consumer option. They had recently bought the 'good' (as in not evil) gpu brand & people love the underdog. Especially when the king was Intel - who were monopolistic corporate jerks that reigned from their castle in the sky. 2011 was still in the era of 'won't your computer catch fire if you built it?' for most people. We were a much smaller market & the oem space was focused on office builds. If anything buying ATI & ability to compete in a non-Intel space is what gave us the AMD we have today. We were all fanboy clowns then anyway Linus - you were there! Do we need to talk about the pseudo-science world of certain watercooling brands? ;)

[@UdderrButter]

I love this conversation, but I can't stop thinking about the Norm McDonald joke about Bill Cosby when Linus says "There's nothing I hate more than the hypocrisy." Norm's Joke (paraphrased, with a couple words replaced): "Bill Cosby's been in the news recently. Someone told me that the worst part about it is the hypocrisy. And really, I just disagree. I think that the worst part of the Cosby thing was all the [evil]. It's my feeling that most [evilists] probably ARE hypocrites. I don't think they go, 'wow yeah, I really like [evilin'] and it's not politically correct, but by God I love it!' - 'Well, at least he's not a hypocrite about it, that's the worst part!'"

[@scottbitz5222]

I bought Bulldozer because I liked my Anthlon x2 CPU and it was a slot in upgrade for me. I didn't do enough research and didn't realize it was complete trash until MUCH later, but I did buy it and still have the CPU sitting in a box because it's not worth anything!

[@mortrem76]

To the risk of having the wrath of Linus, I did have a Bulldozer (and the worst one) and still have running it for almost 10 years, also had a A-10 laptop that I did like a lot..

[@HeathenHacks]

A comedian once said: *Apple is stupid-people friendly.* I don't know what to do with that information, so there you go.

[@jonathanwillis1143]

I was a big Apple fan in the 80s. Lost some faith in them in the 90s. Then admired their work again after Jobs returned. But by that point I had grown up enough to know that I can admire a product from any company and still think that company is getting away with crappy behavior and plenty of hypocrisy. If you come up with some great idea or a really great product I may be the first to praise the idea or product, but that doesn't mean I like everything about the company. By the late 90s I was using Windows and Macs. So I saw the strength and weaknesses of both. I always felt that was a good place to be. I was totally independent and objective about technology. With Apple one of the things that has always bothered me is their hypocrisy about being this "green" company when they are not. Their walled garden has also always bothered me. Even if you hate Apple you have to admit they make nice laptops. I'm not talking about speed or Mac OS vs Windows, but main build quality. Over the years their build quality has generally been really good. This always made me think "these laptops should last for a long long long time." But with new OS updates, updates needed for RAM, HD space, faster chips, etc., people are often forced to move to the newest laptop instead of Apple saying we can upgrade these machines for you. Why build such nice hardware if there is really no benefit for it? No lifespan of the hardware to brag about. No incentive for customers to say "OK, I'm willing to pay $300 to $400 more for a laptop or other product that will last longer with the potential for upgrades, even if those have to be done by Apple. They should have a stronger upgrade program for people that have older laptops. I mean this is the same company that slowed down their old iPhones so people would pitch them and buy the newest models. Apple deserved plenty of praise for the newer M series laptops and their move to ARM and RISC technology. They did good work. Everyone noted that. And yet you still have all the waste and the walled garden and their anti competitive practices and on and on. They continue to think snubbing their nose at the competition means they can charge more while offering less choice. And the rest of the PC industry has their issues too. So these days I agree with Linus. Take things product by product, service by service, etc. Call out the good when you see it, and note the bad when you see that too. Don't get attached. Hold these companies accountable, and don't be afraid to offer some praise when they deserve.

[@vittorioballeriocastoldi6171]

I’m an apple user. I like their products because they suit my needs pretty good, but i hate a lot of their bollocks. Unfortunately i hate windows, i have to use it on a secondary machine. I don’t mind macos because it has some things that work and some that don’t. I would like to move to linux, but the some stuff i use doesn’t work on it and the alternative is not good. I would love a framework with native macos because for how i use a laptop the stupid mac hardware makes some tasks more annoying. I hope for more competition in the future

[@BorealBlizzard]

I bought an Arc GPU after being only AMD since I bought my first PC because I thought it was cool that another company got into the GPU game. I knew it wasn't the best but the price to performance was comparable to other options.

[@darkflux]

anybody remember Cyrix? if only they had not been double-teamed by Intel and IBM, we might still have a 3rd CPU option...