Linus Media Group is not your friend.

[@vanceyootoob5503]

I like to imagine Linus talking to "Linus Media Group" in the mirror like evil Kermit.

[@Smackteo]

Like green goblin lmao

[@JonJaded]

I see it

[@VincentGonzalezVeg]

Linus "I'm somewhat Of A Media Group Myself" Media Group

[@blue-pi2kt]

He totally makes Yvonne call him Linus Media Group in the bedroom.

[@lithius2006]

​@@blue-pi2kt Wonder if its compensating for a shortcoming? 😂

[@eldibs]

Choosing to protect your reputation by informing people properly is definitely the right choice, even if it does harm your company's profit stream a little, because harming your reputation would likely impact your profit stream a lot more.

[@nnnnnn496]

@@Geth270 Very True. This just show Linus' character and how great of a person he is.

[@1draigon]

The CD PROJEKT RED move

[@flixri726]

@@Geth270 It would be quite obvious why they wouldnt inform you, so yeah. But tbh, I dont think many people would download another App just for having the dislike button. On PC is use the addon, just because I really hate how it looks without the Bar, but on my phone i kinda dont care.

[@flixri726]

@@Geth270 or… it is the obvious reason. As Linus said, LMG is a company - Not a friend. We can be happy to have linus as a friend there. :P

[@goddish8065]

If he chose to do it sponsors might be,unhappy and be less willing,to work with or pay him, which I imagine is one of there largest revemie streams

[@kleinbottled79]

Your reputation IS your business Linus. You made the right move for both entities in the long run.

[@lordelliott42]

Precisely!

[@adesia3819]

That's likely the exact same argument he made to LMG which allowed him to discuss both that and PiHole.

[@dan3458]

Did you really just say this as if he doesn't know that. Jesus christ 😂

[@kleinbottled79]

@@dan3458 He just did a whole bit about how his interests were different than those of LMG in this case, so /shrug. While on some level he probably does know this; Maybe it helps to hear it from us. A little encouragement. (As I think about it, much of what we tell other people they already 'know.' Does your family say "I love you?" Do you laugh at them for it?)

[@jeremiahdomer4657]

Agreed I think he is a very honest and respectable leader for the company and I will continue to support them

[@alexwolfeboy]

I think the issue is ultimately KZbin’s fault. I only started using as blockers on everything when KZbin started shoving 2-3 ads in the beginning, mid-roll ads, and post-roll ads in. If it were only a single ad, maybe a mid-roll if the creator thought it wouldn’t break flow, I’d be fine. However KZbin has shown us they don’t care about user experience, it’s creators, or the platform itself.

[@randgrithr7387]

Double unskippable ads 5 seconds before the end of the video is what drove me over the edge.

[@qunas101]

In addition to that, it's the complete garbage mobile game ads and apps like tiktok. After those I've made a decision that my sanity is worth more than some cents for the creator

[@Hartie95]

Yeah, I totally have no problem with the banners on the side, or with the small banners on the bottom of the video on pc. Even a small video add every now and then would still be OK, but if you for example watch a few smaller videos, and every half minute video has its own video before it, and sometimes as long as the video itself, it just gets really annoying. So while I had the add locker disabled for a long time on KZbin, it's now always on.

[@ElBantosClips]

This is exactly my reason for using Vanced. It started with an ad or two which was fine. Now it feels like they're just ramming garbage down your throat every couple of mins Same with website ads, its just so out of hand and it's fucking infuriating. TVNZ I managed to block a total of something like 1000 ads within one episode of watching Mr Robot. Had to run 2 ad blockers and now I can watch the actual show without being ripped out of my immersion 5 times every episode

[@sjoroverpirat]

And don't forget the minutes long in video ads.

[@SethanderWald]

5:25 "either I have to harm my own business, or harm my reputation" The thing most companies fail to realize is that by harming your reputation, you also harm your business.

[@dongiovanni4331]

I guess it's an analysis on which one harms the business more

[@nikzah5041]

Having a company (LMG) that is literally named after you disagree with you sounds kinda surreal, not gonna lie

[@guy_autordie]

Yep. "My own company, made by me, disagree with me." is surreal. :')

[@geohiekim8705]

Probably how Steve Jobs felt when he got fired from Apple

[@notinterested8452]

@@geohiekim8705 except for the small detail that it was named apple, not Jobs.

[@geohiekim8705]

@@notinterested8452 I mean yeah, but it was a company that he founded ina a garage.

[@mridul3526]

"You know how much i sacrificed"

[@jerrylegendman2544]

We came for the tech, we stayed for the integrity

[@blank3406]

not we

[@InkDevil999]

@@blank3406 maybe not you but he can say we.

[@chd8014]

Intechrity (I’m sorry I’ll see my way out now)

[@harshitsinghania3713]

@@chd8014 🤣

[@GloomGaiGar]

Aged well.

[@abubakrakram6208]

Well, I read the title, didn’t watch the video, and jumped to conclusions, just like any responsible person would do! Thanks for the warning guys, I’ll make sure to avoid LMG from now on!

[@ERROR_-_404]

Insert sad Linus face

[@bothard5107]

what they were basically talking about was that, linus media group is not your friend, hope this helps

[@flameshana9]

@@bothard5107 So... What you're saying is, that Linus Media Group is indeed not my friend?

[@bothard5107]

@@flameshana9 yes, linus media group is indeed not your friend

[@treschlet]

​@@bothard5107are you my friend?

[@MastermindAtWork]

I find this title surprisingly true with the events that have been recently going on...

[@Deniz3n]

When will we finally meet Linus' alternate personality, Linus Mediagroup?

[@marx252]

Yep, I’m 99% sure KZbin Vanced DOES allow you to turn on ads if you want. They’re disabled by default though. And honestly I just use it for features that used to be free like background playback or Picture in Picture Edit, I was wrong. They only allow toggling of ads in the UI such as home and layout ads, merchandise ads, and the option to buy the relevant movie. From what I can tell, they have hardcoded an adblocker into the video stream so it’s not possible to toggle it.

[@alwins]

you can't enable ads on any video in yt vanced. You can only enable home screen ads, revenue of which goes to yt and not to any creator

[@somedude144]

Vanced does not let you allow pre/mid-video ads as far as I can tell. Sponsor block is optional though.

[@sujimayne]

You cannot enable in-video ads in Vanced, it's hardcoded. But that is the necessary 'evil' when Google goes out of their way to make it more difficult to deal with ads any other way, as well as to have features like rooting and software like Vanced on Android.

[@randgrithr7387]

@@sujimayne Ads 5 seconds before the end of the video is what drove me over the edge.

[@crazyperson5222]

The main reason I got youtube vanced was because xposed module became obsolete and rooting a modern phone is impossible now adays unless you pay 200 for a key that can be used remotely by a independent developer to unlock your bootloader and even then the root breaks certain cool secure built in features like Samsung Pass, Samsung pay, Google pay and certain play store apps that won't run when it sees your rooted and thinks your going hack it or mod it.

[@GloomGaiGar]

You can say that again.

[@stephenreatv]

Watching this last Friday I was reminded why I like Linus. He like (I feel) Steve from GN take their personal ethics and place them far above the bottom line, while I'm not saying never happens in the world of new media often does not because starting KZbinrs often get sucked into bs agreements due to naivety

[@SunIsLost]

Yea

[@RyanRiopel]

You can tell Linus has no hesitation drawing the line with sponsors and agreements just by his sponsor spots on KZbin. So many other channels have 60+ second long sponsor spots at the beginning of the video and LTT videos are always short, and often relevant and entertaining. I do subscribe on Floatplane but even when I watch on KZbin the sponsors are never too intrusive especially compared to many other channels.

[@samueltheweber]

“Let’s just assume for eternity that no company is your friend/family.” And any business that tries to tell you otherwise is lying through their adverts.

[@AC3handle]

"I'm not your buddy, I'm not your partner, I'm not your friend" Every 80s buddy cop movie, ever.

[@okolol]

I actually use vanced for the skip sponsor segment feature, and I also a member of yt premium, but I don't know what's the impact for the creator, will they get their full revenue just like if their audience use regular yt with or without premium?

[@manuelbardina]

Not sure either. I just bought a water bottle, and now I feel not guilty for at least a year.

[@UtterDisappointment]

YT premium views earn significantly more than non-premium views from what I remember them talking about in previous WAN shows.

[@mitchell2719]

Sponsor Block is an extension for browsers too

[@mdukasa]

@@UtterDisappointment What if KZbin detects Vanced as a Premium account and increases the channel's earnings based on it?

[@jaydeep-p]

I suppose that a view from the premium account counts even in vanced.

[@aDifferentJT]

I think LMG is harmed more by damaging your reputation than by losing some ads.

[@KyokujiFGC]

Yeah, in the long term, a large portion of the business is based around their image and especially around Linus as a personality.

[@m_hibbs]

Despite working in a different industry, I wish I could work for Linus. A very transparent approach to business and public dealings is very important. Linus, if you need an HVAC or building automation system technician for whatever reason, let me know.

[@mizuki4002]

you may enjoy linus's videos about his hvac system then :)

[@charliebrown1408]

Glad that linus is honest enough to point stuff out that would hurt his business 🖖🖖

[@MattiasMagnusson]

Actually, i like the way youtubers can actually advertise with companies directly, i would much rather prefer a youtuber talking about a sponsored product or service rather than getting a 10-30 sec commercial break all of a sudden in the middle of a meaning from an important message from the youtuber it self with some one who ultimately talks about electric toothbrushes or whatever. If the youtuber can get in on a subject of a sponsored ad, thats the best way to do it, like "here is a segway to our sponsor".

[@hikkamorii]

Agreed. The fact that youtube ads are so crap just makes me feel no shame in circumventing them in one way or another, but I usually don't skip sponsors (unless they're trying to sell me crap like casinos, VPNs or something I've seen)

[@ilovetomcats]

@4:20 I actually primarily watch KZbin on my phone’s browser. While the UI might not be as fancy and capable (as well as having to manually change resolution every single time), it rarely, if ever, gives me ads. Whenever I use the app or the desktop site I feel like I’m watching cable TV again.

[@jg374]

Does your phone's browser discard cookies fairly often? That would explain settings like resolution resetting. In my experience, youtube generally doesn't show ads for the first video or two on a new browser / one with no cookies, so clearing cookies on the desktop often is good at reducing the number of ads. I use an ad blocker on the desktop site and hardly ever see any ads - it is quite a shock when that extension isn't working properly for some reason :). The same thing occurs when I find a useful website and send a link off to someone who needs to access it for something - sometimes they can go from being very useful to complete scam.

[@stitchfinger7678]

Adblockers will probably never represent an actual threat to anyone that's already making money from the platform. Most people are simply not tech savvy enough or too ambivalent to change what they're doing. Or, like me, you do most of your consumption on a console or smart dongle and really can't block ads anyway. (I know Pihole works for that but its a whole thing I don't wanna do, and YT shuffles the ad domains sometimes anyway)

[@skyfighter_64]

AFAIK a pi hole can't block youtube ads as they are loaded from the same domain as the video itself :c

[@adenrius]

According to hootsuite, nowadays around 43% of all users use an adblocker, I wouldn't say that's negligible. To be honest, I believe you're right, most people wouldn't want to use an adblocker in a vacuum, but the issue is that they may think about it when ads start to seriously damage their experience.

[@KrankuSama]

In this case, Vanced goes a step further than adblock as they also have a feature that automatically skips baked in sponsorship segments, a sponsor block. The fact is that I got a Ridge Wallet for christmas and an ifixit kit too because they stuck in my brain as products that a tech company uses and without exposure to those sponsorships then I may have never made those sales (or got them as gifts i this case) Ultimately I am in favour of users controlling their own content, I hate ads in all forms and I don't give a damn about a companies profits but industry people coming out and saying that adblocks and sponsorblocks hurt their revenue aren't being duplicitious, they are saying it for a reason.

[@davidmiller9485]

@@adenrius maybe but i think a more important metric would be the number of ads. Some videos i get one ad, which is fine. Other videos i get one every 3 minutes. That's bullshit. That metric is of far more value that just how many use an ad blocker.

[@Elldallan]

@@KrankuSama Yeah, but then there all those super cringey Raid Shadowlegends sponsorship segments, and the Nord VPN/Pass spam. If Vanced let me ban sponsor segments based on the sponsor then I'd use it, but when they're all RAID Shadowlegends it gets incredibly tedious incredibly fast.

[@Cyber_Akuma]

I understand that ads are necessary for some to make money, the issue is that I feel ads have gotten completely and utterly out of hand. They are being forced into everything and everywhere and being as obtrusive and obnoxious as possible... and even carry malware in some cases. The web had ads for years, yet, the amount of people using adblockers skyrocketed only recently.... ads have also gotten incredibly excessive recently. There is a correlation here. The ad companies keep making their ads worse and worse and then try to point their finger at the user and paint them as the bad guy for having gotten fed up and blocking them. Even the whole fiasco with KZbin removing dislikes was ultimately due to the corporations not liking that their videos of crappy products can get downvoted into oblivion.

[@bizzy1960]

One day internet will just be cable tv, where the ads are almost the same length as the show.

[@GreyBlackWolf]

*goes to mcdonalds and you have to watch an ad before you cna get your food you've already paid for.

[@aaronlawrence6350]

I use Vanced. I like watching long-form content on KZbin, like debates and podcasts that may be several hours long. I also like watching 30-second video game highlight clips. KZbin has made watching either kind of content absolutely miserable. The long stuff will just be filled to the brim with ads. Ads every 3 minutes. An hour long video will have maybe 15-25 ads in it, adding significantly to the length of the video and lessening the watching experience. Short content will usually have a double-ad in the beginning, basically doubling how long this quick little clip was supposed to be. For the videos the algorithm prefers (8-10 minutes), the number of ads is tolerable, but for anything longer or shorter, the ads are truly excessive and annoying, and I use Vanced to get away from that shit. I know it hurts content creators, but in my mind, KZbin hurts content creators, because if I wasn't using Vanced, I just wouldn't watch the videos at all because I find the ad to content ratio off-putting.

[@OKNathan]

I mean you could pay for KZbin Premium and support the creator economy since you use the platform so much and get a lot of entertainment out of it. Unless you're a student or something EDIT: 1. You’re rewarding creators for their work, KZbin only take their cut for providing a platform. 2. If a channel doesn’t have enough subscribers (only 1000 required) and watch hours to be in the KZbin Partner Program then of course it doesn’t reach the minimum threshold to be monetized and won’t make money. KZbin Partners like me have full transparency on KZbin Premium views, CPM and revenue (55-45 split with KZbin). 3. As a viewer you either have a free ad-supported service or subscription-based alternative. People talk about Floatplane as a solution but it’s a paid service. How is that different from paying for KZbin Premium? It’s your choice to use AdBlockers and not reward creators for their work. I was just pointing out that if you spend more time on KZbin than any website (Spotify, Netflix, Twitch, …) then obviously it provides you a lot of value and it’s not unthinkable that like any service it costs money for both the creator and the platform and needs to be either ad-supported (KZbin) or subscription-based (Floatplane/KZbin).

[@MTB53850]

@@OKNathan Wouldn't that just mean that we would be rewarding KZbin for sh*t practices. Oh, you made my experience absolutely miserable here's some money to reward you. I used to pay for Premium for a while, but there is no transparency on how premium revenue is allocated to demonetized videos for example and unless the creator meets their threshold for getting money out of youtube, you're just enriching the platform that treats both creators and consumers like crap. The only real solution would be an alternative platform which to be fair LTT is trying to do with floatplane.

[@ziegfeld4131]

You can skip to the end of the video then replay it to remove all the ads in the middle of the video lol

[@ChattyCheugy]

The strength of linus media group comes from the integrity of the content. You will never see the brand go to shit faster than by circumnavigating around key info on a hot topic

[@TexanMiror2]

In regards to the Intel/AMD stuff: All that being said, AMD as far as I know never/rarely pulled the kind of anti-competitive bullying tactics that Intel used over the years. AMD pulled ahead despite all the illegal tactics used against them, thats why people excused some behavior and think of them as an underdog even today. However, ultimately, as a customer, always advocate for the customer, not for a company. Any company. That doesnt mean being unfair against a company, but also dont give them more time/energy/money than they provide back to you. Buy whats good value, dont buy into brand loyalty nonsense.

[@jellorelic]

@TexanMiror2 - They have not.. no. That being said they've literally never been in a strong enough marketing position to do so. They've been a 2nd-4th place competitor for their entire history. Even times like the current market and the Good Athlon days they were still far, far behind Intel in terms of market dominance. AMD has gotten ahead in the enthusiast space a few times over the years but the massive dollars and production numbers of Dell/HP/etc and the server markets has always meant Intel was an enormously bigger player in The Market than AMD was.

[@iClone101]

And honestly, I don't feel like AMD is being less friendly to its users because it's risen from being the underdog, but because of the situation it is in and simple business management. AMD's biggest hindrance right now is its supply chain, as they can't put chips out faster than people buy them. They've had to shrink their different offerings to keep a somewhat sustainable supply of the few offerings they've kept, and naturally they are going to want to keep the ones that make them the most profit, which in this case appears to be their 8-16 core mainstream processors. Shortly before Covid, AMD tried to release the Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X, which were legitimate entry level processors, but very few of them ever made it to market because of the supply chain issues that hit shortly after. They have no reason right now to expand their offerings, because they are struggling to keep even their highest profit margin products in stock.

[@cyjan3k823]

I dont even understand the point they are making - amd came with threadripper that does not exist in Intel lineup and yet AMD is "not your friend" because it isnt as good as epyc? It is Still so much better than anything Else that maybe it should be Time to tell that Intel does not even care about competition in first place, let alone about you as a Single enthusiast.

[@realEchoz]

@@iClone101 I bought the 3100 because I had to wait 4 weeks for my 5950X to arrive and wanted to use my computer in the mean time. I had that 3100 with 128G RAM for a short while.

[@PasteurizedLettuce]

And the workers!

[@coteyventura3406]

So for the point made at 5:28, I believe that it's a double-edged sword because if you choose to harm your reputation, you risk harming LMG's business anyways

[@galacticviper4453]

I am aginst ads only when they disrupt the content I am watching. which is why I usually use an add blocker. But that said, if I find a good channel, like LTT, I find another way I can support them (by buying their merch, in the case of LTT) because I want them to keep doing what they are doing. The fact that LTT gives you all the info even if it harms their company is very admirable, and you earned even more respect than I already had for you. Keep up the amazing work!

[@Muxeroth]

I use vanced because I have no intention of having to go through multiple ads at start, middle and end of video and i really don't care about the sponsors, i personally don't feel like i owe you or KZbin anything and I'm not going to sit through an ad about something i don't care about

[@fffrrraannkk]

Vanced is actively saving my life. No more am I tempted to pick up my phone while driving to skip an ad or skip through sponsors.

[@Xan1011]

RIP in Peace Vanced ✌️

[@AntNetwork]

AMD is pretty great. Although no company can legitimately become your friend.

[@rawdez_]

...aaaand... now they suck.

[@v4llyy]

Unless YOU are the company 😂

[@AntNetwork]

@@v4llyy very true 🤣🤣 I am my own friend

[@AntNetwork]

@@rawdez_ how so? still better in almost every way than their competition?

[@rawdez_]

@@AntNetwork if you gonna build a budget PC right now Intel has better and cheaper options. AMD is overpriced and not doing anything to change that, actually their CPUs and B550 mobos are going up in price for no reason. 11400 is a better option than 5600x. 10400F is a better option than 3600. 12600k is a better option than 5800x. 10105F is a waaay better option than 3100. basically the only Ryzen CPU that makes any sense at all is 5600G - if you don't have a GPU and hate the second hand market or building a compact system/HTPC. and 5900x with 5950x, but guys who buy those don't care much about money.

[@subhrajyotidas]

Takes guts to be so transparent. Governments across the world should take notes from Linus. Absolute legend. 🎊

[@zarblitz]

It’s a great point that bears repeating: companies are not people, companies are not your friend, companies do not care about you, they do not have your best interest at heart. Gamers in particular should remember this.

[@LightslicerGP]

4:37 ayyyy that's what I'm on rn, ironically the sponso segment skip is amazing lol

[@ammakko]

KZbin Vanced is advanced without 'ad'

[@ryanhamstra49]

That would be cool if Vanced let you turn on ads for certain channels so you can turn it on for makers you want to support but if you are just watching news or something you can turn it off.

[@letsgobrandon416]

The ad model is 100 years old. Innovation is needed. I can honestly say I've never purchased anything from an ad. They are usually completely irrelevant to me and my interests, and even if they happen to correspond to one of my interests, I either already have the product or equivalent, am planning to aquire it already, or have determined it's too expensive - which is usual the case - or I don't want/ need it. That being said, most, not all, but most of my favorite content creator's are demonitized anyway, so obviously there are other businesses models that work, or they wouldn't be in production. So for that I say, block all ads whenever you can and let innovation pave a new way forward.

[@Ryan-093]

I've rarely if ever bought from an ad, but sometimes it does get me interested in a product category that perhaps I hadn't thought of. Moreso for niche things, like battery powered heated gloves for winter, or a hat with integrated LED light on the front. Weird things like that which I probably wouldn't think of on my own. But even if I do see the ad, I still do research to find which brand in the category I like best.

[@GuyFromJupiter]

I'm a bit different than most, but I personally find any advertising that interrupts what I'm doing to be entirely intolerable, and that most definitely applies to KZbin. I don't really watch any TV, largely because of commercials, and when an app on my phone shows me a full screen ad it gets uninstalled then and there, and when the day inevitably comes that I am no longer able to use KZbin without paying or seeing ads I will probably just stop watching on a regular basis. I understand that they need to make money, but I just don't care. Money is precious to them, and time is precious to me.

[@bluenationcc]

4:42 ...is dead, yet we still use it

[@1timothydillon]

Luke: I used to be super super super against ads and videos, you probably remember that, but ultimately at the end of the day it's just entirely unsustainable to not have ads. Me, using Brave browser: What are these ads you speak of?

[@xeon2509]

Lol same I have 2mil ads blocked by Brave

[@iamperplexed4695]

Nobody will ever convince me that forcing viewers to watch ads was the only correct way for "content creators" to make money from KZbin itself. (Not referring to sponsorships from outside of KZbin.)

[@MattBooth]

I like his thinking. An ad-based internet IS unsustainable.

[@NeroThacher]

"Unsustainable without ads" = Dont be 'sustained by ads' then (Thats to say Dont Sell Your Soul)

[@Bolomoto]

The more I here Luke, I imagine him use to be the guy that says, "Hey man, we can't sell out doing sponsors . It's about the content and the community. We don't need corporate." Without realizing how naive it is in a financial.

[@Drewgystew]

He literally says that in the video at 6:00, including the bit about how it doesn't work financially. Did you not watch the video or were you just counting on other people not watching?

[@nickwallette6201]

I would agree, but most of the time, I can barely hear Luke at all.

[@Bolomoto]

@@Drewgystew Nah. I watched it. I just mean general personailty. Like someone that complains about an artist getting big because "they lost touch with there roots." or because they "changed." Kinda like the sterotype hipster thing." It just hit me of what I though he might have been like in college or or time of mental adolesents.

[@paulward8087]

This is Linus way of saying "when I make a corporate decision you don't like it's not me it's my company ... honest!". Sorry Linus but the decisions YOU make are after all YOUR decisions ... tryign to distance yourself from that doesn't change that fact.

[@minedgravy380]

This, exactly this. Its just blame shifting and hiding behind the company. Take accountable for what your company is doing. Tired of the BS of corporations shedding responsibilities

[@paulward8087]

@@minedgravy380 exactly! He even says stuff like "I might want something, but our finance guys might disagree". Isn't his wife the CFO of LMG? What kinda BS hand wave is that!

[@vedaryan334]

This is controversial but the thing is , I can't have ads . I have lost absolutely all respect for KZbin for this . I have been embarassed in front of my mom a few times mainly because of the fact that the ads shown on home pages and ads were softcore porn . I understand it might be because of my location (I know it's not because of my search history) but whatever the reason is , I should not be getting ads of this kind especially given how staunch yt is against this stuff in videos. Even I ever have the money to use yt premium i don't have any respect for the company and I would rather become a member of the channels I usually watch or if they have a patreon become a supporter that way. I really like the nebula initiative but I wish they had a better app and more content creators

[@nktslp3650]

I choose KZbin premium specifically to help my content creators, along with one specific item from their shop. I bought a desk pad from your store (amazing quality btw), I bought a golden GN t-shirt, the superb book from Kurzgesagt and so on. However, I am really against the removal of the dislike button and I am now facing a major challenge because I won't allow myself to watch ads. I just won't. So either I go back you standard KZbin and Spotify, and you guys get no money at all from me (I will use AdBlock, that's out of the question), or I just suck it up and continue forward with each shitty decision from KZbin. I'm considering floatplane but I wish more people that I watch were going there too. The big KZbin name is something we cannot leave behind, yet it's starting to be obvious that they only care for money and their shareholders, like any big company would anyway. Meh. I've spent most of my video watch time on KZbin over the 10 past years, and I sure don't like paying for it right now, even if that means no money for my content creators. I guess I'll just patrons the s*hit out of it and give 0 money to KZbin.

[@Alexandra-Rex]

I'm a fan of YT Premium. I wonder how much Premium helps creators vs. ads.

[@extreme123dz]

Imagine paying YT Premium to still see fucking ads... Dx

[@troublemaiiker76]

yt premium pays a lot better than ads, for youtubers

[@samdcbu]

Watch the LTT video about how LMG makes money. Linus explains the difference between the CPM for premium vs normal users.

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@samdcbu I'll check it out.

[@biscotti_]

Premium is excellent for KZbin junkies

[@edwardrocca]

I started using Vanced when I realised that the amount of time spent watching ads in my life was really adding up. I pictured myself in 30, 40, even 50 years and how many hours, days and weeks of my life would add up to having watched ads. That's time you can't get back in life. I'm all for supporting creators, but I refuse to give up a chunk of my life to watch shitty ads that are either a) shit. b) trying to psychologically influence me. c) bring me out of the experience and ruin the enjoyment of the content.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

I don't have a problem keeping ads on to support the creators that I enjoy watching. It is extremely apparent how ads have increased over time though. Multiple unskippable ads, multiple ad breaks during videos, multiple ads after the video, etc. And I know that frequency of ads can be controlled by the creator. You can have no mid-roll ads, which is great. It does all come down to money though. And even the content of some ads is extremely questionable and KZbin/Google shouldn't be approving that content as ads. For example, music videos. Why are music videos full of profane lyrics being used as ads? Why are ANY music videos being used as ads? They really need to put a cap on how long an ad is. I've seen like 30 minute long ads. That's insane.

[@Teth47]

The frequency of ads can sometimes be controlled by the creator, unless they get certain types of (extremely common) copyright claims whereupon control over monetization is transferred to the claimant and usually absolutely maxed out.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

@@Teth47 Sure, if a video contains copyrighted material, I can absolutely see the rights holder abusing the ad frequency.

[@TheBarrej2006]

Also, professional youtubers need to play the KZbin game, not just do they need to make enough money from the video, they also need growth to at least match decay, and that means playing the algorithm game, and that means turning on more adds.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

@@TheBarrej2006 Yeah, KZbin is kind of a piece of shit, ain't it?

[@AJGaS]

Thank you for your honesty and integrity. I don't skip your sponsor segments, and this honesty will ensure that I continue to watch them for your sake .

[@pedrolrjunior2]

Linus, please launch a rubber pad (like the LTT mousepad) for electronics workbench, it would be amazing =D

[@jordananderson2728]

I know this isn't LMG, but Gamer's Nexus has their Mod Mat that has ESD protections.

[@mattr5664]

Thanks!

[@justabrokeredneck]

if we ain’t friends i ain’t watching your videos no mo

[@СергейСмирнов-ф9к5л]

4:31 Extensions are not supported on Chrome for android.

[@r4z0r84]

When you hate your own company sometimes 😂 glad you still speak your mind regardless Linus, it's one of the reasons why we can easily believe and trust what you say vs the other tech channels.

[@patrickcarrillo714]

I love KZbin Vanced The reason why I went over to ad blockers is When KZbin started putting multiple unskable ads before the video, multiple ads in the middle of the video and multiple ads. At the end of the video it used to be 1 skippable ad and the occasional midroll ad That's it If it were like the old way, I don't think anyone to have a problem with it

[@attackingtrex]

So who are the other shareholders in LMG?

[@Seirin-Blu]

People who work there, other investors, likely

[@attackingtrex]

@@Seirin-Blu i thought Linus said he ain't offering up shares to others just yet.

[@coced]

Linus, your business is your reputation. I hope your fellow shareholders figure it out.

[@andrefelix73]

I use KZbin Vanced for a number of reasons. I'm not against ads I'm for allowing vids to play with the screen off and other stuff that the regular KZbin app fails to address.

[@courage7638]

Linus is literally featured on the first page of Vanced site.

[@JeskidoYT]

Why use KZbin premium when vanced exists?

[@qunas101]

Maybe if you feel bad for creators making less money off of ads. I would feel more bad for giving Google money, thought, lol

[@yugen8382]

You know...Lots of people are competent with electronics but not a lot of people have your honesty and integrity.And that Linus is priceless.Never sell it for anything.

[@BOBOFSAGGET]

I mean I'm not gonna sit around and watch several minutes of ads for anyone just to watch a single video. I operate under the 1/10th rule. If the ads' total time wasting my time is equal to 10% or less than the length of the thing I am watching, I am mostly okay with it. Beyond that, fuck that I'm blocking the ads.

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

KZbin premium no ads. I don’t even remember what ads are anymore

[@GoodBaleadaMusic]

Linus Media Group is the godparent to two of my three children.

[@rippspeck]

LMG was my cousin's best man.

[@enkiimuto1041]

4:25 - Vivaldi is great for mobile youtube tbh. You can even have it playing music when it is not on screen, you just need to change windows while the video is fullscreen.

[@sabianwarner5316]

KZbin vanced is far superior

[@fredrikbystrom7380]

Holy nuts, there is actually a browser extension to restore the dislikes.

[@einJona]

Just want to leave a comment here on ads in videos - I really appreciate your way you implement ads in your videos. You make it the way that it does not disturb the experience of thr original video - just 10 secs at the beginning and at the end, that's it. Thanks for that!

[@mikaeo23]

A company is not sentient. The company doesnt disagree with things, the people who run it do. The PEOPLE.

[@zac8670]

Yes/no. While I completely agree when it comes to a company making unethical decisions with widespread damage and then not having the people held accountable, I also understand that running a company also means making decisions best for the company's interests. In that regard, a company is an entity with goals, purpose, and requirements for existence. Unfortunately, that concept has been taken way too far, giving advantages that should have never been given, while skirting all the disadvantages and responsibilities.

[@christopheraplin]

He's saying the company is the people. The people's salaries, people's want to expand and grow and create a sustainable business. The interests of the collective company and it's profit requirement to operate is very different from individuals wanting to create great content regardless of profitability. In a sense, the company IS sentient. It is the medium to speak to those needs. It might not have thoughts, but it always has questions.

[@owensparks5013]

Jeffrey Deaver has an interesting book on this...

[@TheFlingSonic]

I started to use Adblock when KZbin was still an pretty young, there wasn’t a lot of diverse ads so I kept getting this one ad that was like 10 to 15 minutes long and you couldn’t skip them 💀

[@darkcheaker]

Pretty weird listening him talk about LMG and Linus himself. Kinda curious who in LMG is proposing different opinions, apart from Ywonne.

[@neetop1557]

The other person's name is Sunil Naitsabes.

[@Leona_tf]

I began using Vanced after KZbin adding 2 of 15-second unskippable ads. For a short video. After knowing creators still earn money from YT Premium, maybe I should resume my subscription.

[@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV]

I emphasize with creators who depend on ad revenue, but I see ad blockers as a digital right. I own this device, I pay the electricity and internet bill for it. So I get to decide which code gets executed on it and what content gets played on it.

[@andreasspachmuller7002]

yeah until all creators go to another platform that would be pay to view anyway because they can´t make any money on youtube

[@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV]

@@andreasspachmuller7002 I have nothing against supporting creators in other ways. But I won't subject myself to the psychological warfare from advertising companies or get my privacy compromised by their shitty code. A mass exodus from YT is never going to happen. YT has never been a profitable company. They only still exist, because Google has enough money to run the giant data centres needed to store all the shit people upload, despite making loses. No competitor without google money could ever hope to survive long enough to challenge this monopoly.

[@owensparks5013]

That makes as much sense as saying you empathise with brick and motor stores but you're going to put their goods in your car without paying for them because it's your car and you get to decide what gets put in it. In other words stealing, but that's ok because other people will pay, so they probably won't go out of business... 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV]

@@owensparks5013 no, not really. It's more like sending a request to a website and receiving a bunch of instructions for your browser to execute and before letting the browser do its thing, skimming through these instructions and then only letting the browser execute the instructions you agree with. And I do not agree with "Hey, load content that the user didn't ask for from this url they didn't send a request to and hold the actual content they were trying to reach at ransom. While you're at it, send us their personal data, too".

[@owensparks5013]

@@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV I see your point, but in the case of not wanting the code to run on your device then the morally correct option is to not watch the content. How do you justify nor paying the creator but taking the content anyway? If everyone did that there would be no content.

[@BlackBearCrypto]

Your transparency is appreciated. Sometimes the best business decision seem counterintuitive in the short term, but really I think the long term outlook of being accountable like this will be worth it

[@constantringingtech2230]

and this is why I pay for KZbin Premium... so that my family doesn't have watch any ads on any of their devices... and creators still get paid. Win Win

[@DizzyBusy]

KZbin wins, your family wins, but you also lose because of the money, no?

[@constantringingtech2230]

@@DizzyBusy i mean... as much as my family uses youtube... the $15 a month for all us... is plenty fine. That's like 4 star bucks coffees or a subscription to another content provider, like HBO etc. We probably use youtube for 100 hours a week combined, compared to netflix, it might be 1/10th that.

[@vanhunksthepirate]

KZbin shows 3 unskipable ads before the video, 1 or 2 during and 1 at the end. I think this is ridiculous

[@DUCKDUDE4100]

It's bizarre to me that businesses can have a different agenda and ideology than their owners, and I think that really shouldn't be the case. Damn the attitude of "my company exists to make money and so must be and is morally detatched from me even though I own it and am in charge of it" like no man, if a company acts a certain way that absolutely reflects on the owners, if a company does something I assume the owner approves of it entirely because they had to approve it.

[@Teth47]

It's more that the only companies able to survive are the ones that behave this way. It's natural selection shaping companies and companies shaping the environment that is selecting them, just like living organisms. Except that companies eat people and breathe money. If you were 5 or 6 breaths from having no air, and so was everyone else, and there were 6 balloons left, none of you would be stopping to consider the moral implications of taking one of those balloons, you'd rip a 6 year old's head off for one more breath. That's the world companies live in. That's what needs to change if we want this to improve.

[@DUCKDUDE4100]

@@Teth47 you make a compelling argument. We could also ban corporations, only allow the existence of solely owned businesses and make the owners actually legally responsible for the actions of the company regardless of where in the world those actions are taken. Like I want the CEO of nestle tried and ideally executed for child slavery, but they're somehow not legally responsible for that.

[@zacker150]

BURWELL v. HOBBY LOBBY STORES, INC. agrees with you. In the United States, Corporations are nothing more than a group of people working together to achieve any legal purpose.

[@imoldgregg7009]

There's always a lot of umming and ahhing when it comes to inconveniences that make up a portion of your own revenue stream. Fact is, most people who use an ad-blocking service aren't going to buy KZbin premium because those services are mutually exclusive. I, like many others, don't have some grand moral position that ad-blocking is an element of; we just don't want to watch ads. Whether or not you lose money because of that doesn't factor in.

[@Caldera01]

Linus being a rare specimen. A CEO with a spine.

[@prevaloir5362]

The same guy that said if you have a problem with me you can take it up with my wife has a spine? Jesus men are weak.

[@chloedevereaux1801]

bit like a vagina without flaps.......

[@Assemblerize]

As I recall, one of these extensions plans to ask creators for access to the youtube console to get a dislike count. It would be great if it could also check if ad revenue goes to the creator, and when it comes to collaboration with youtube vanced, the latter could show ads if it does and hide them if not

[@GuyFromJupiter]

Or, even better, it could just load them in the background while you watch the video so that they think you've seen an ad without your time being wasted.

[@TheRogueX]

And now Vanced is gone too..

[@Shenepoy]

Big respect for you to talk about that

[@chadmasta5]

I personally use KZbin premium because I follow a lot of smaller creators and KZbin premium can let them get revenue even when their videos are deemed "not advertiser friendly". I also like the features that come with it and I advise those who can afford it to use it. I also understand that not everyone is in a position to spend money on KZbin every month though and for those people I don't blame them for using alternatives like vanced. I know KZbin has gotten very aggressive with ads often inserting more of them than the creator wants and annoying viewers.

[@LaconicBeats]

Thanks LMG for introducing me to Vanced. 😏 To be fair though I only use my phone KZbin for music playlists anyhow, so no harm for you.

[@Swedfighter420]

Great video my friend 😂😜😜

[@jamesb.6177]

Huehuehuehue

[@Techie-gz3jb]

I don't mind ads tbh. As someone who still watches cable TV I'm just used to it these days

[@ZinoAmare]

Wait, Linus never said he was our friend... And in the description it says he still is! So what is it?! Tell us in a video we are all your friends while we are total strangers! xD

[@EAGLEBLACKInquisido]

Ultimately, one of the selling points of LMG is, precisely, it's reputation for transparency, and without it, there would be just another entertainment channel with a damaged credibility on news (tech news in this case). So I think that in that scenario, talking about it helped maintain the company's foundation integrity for a continuous long term growth.

[@daniloalves1139]

So I oficially have no friends. Okay, great.

[@mineland8220]

Vance has an option to enable an ad at start tho, so it can have ads to support on the app

[@SnowySteki]

KZbin Ads were okay, until double-unskippable 15-second ads came along

[@eduardoig17]

I agree that ads are necessary but the main reason I run an ad blocker is because there are so many website where half the screen is taken up by ads. Or on youtube where one some videos every 6-8 minutes there are 2 ads that play. If ads were not so intrusive I would not run an ad blocker

[@jacksontint]

Who's coming here after gn has ended Linus' career?

[@ghajik.]

me lol...

[@Einuhreins]

Linus ended it with his response

[@gerowen]

In lieu of viewing the ads, I guess a good way to support creators would be to pay for a KZbin subscription.

[@ConnorNolanTech]

If it weren't for this video, I wouldn't have been able to find out that this video has 55 dislikes. Thanks, Return KZbin Dislike chrome extension!

[@nthspecter1286]

thanks linus for showing me the youtube vance ❤️

[@Thehoeh]

This also comes back to the question of being able to be come more "corpatized" without harming your most valuable asset, your name, by changing LMG to Tech [Tips] Media Group or something

[@falxie_]

KZbin Vanced even had a SponsorBlock integration at one point coming full circle

[@legendaryhero90]

Do you know how much I sacrificed!?

[@Evie0133]

omg lolololololol

[@KibaSnowpaw]

6:00 not true i don't have adds on my videos and if i have then KZbin have turn them on because of Copyright. I don't earn om my KZbin channel and that is not what my channel is about.