Linus Torvalds: Android Is A Linux Fork

[@Twichard]

Let's just take a moment to appreciate the random cutscene to the penguins.

[@benaloney]

And the FORKING is important @1:29

[@ClintonChelak]

I clicked the thumbs up at that very moment.

[@SatiricalMonkey]

The beauty of GPL lies in how big corporations like Google can fork the kernel and improve it to suit their needs and they have to share their code, meaning Linux development essentially gets extra PAID developers who share their improvements, drivers and whatnots with the main Linux kernel. Ofcourse this extends to other GPL programs and forks aswell, aslong as those making the forks respect the license and the license owners keep vigil over those forks making sure they make the code available.

[@aqualili]

>improve

[@eglvoland4162]

The GNU GPL is an example of copyleft license.

[@Stopinvadingmyhardware]

Dude, Google didn’t fork Android. We in the Open Source community did it for them. Android wasn’t built by Google. They provided licensing for the proprietary blobs and the reference specs for their first hardware release, and we did everything else.

[@exponentialcomplexity3051]

@@Stopinvadingmyhardware WIthout Google Android would't be as successful as it is today and we would be cribbing today on why Linux isnt popular on phones

[@DaddyChronic]

if you have so much noise in background, try a low cut filter at 300 hertz

[@StephenGriffinsmartguy2000]

I like software licsenses that allow anyone with programming knowledge freely improve the source code etc. and submit the improvements without geting in legal trouble for violating software patents. This does not mean that developers should'nt get paid.

[@Todd_Coward]

so...whats with the penguins banging?

[@PCThingz]

Its a "fork"

[@FLUXCAPACITORWIGGLES]

TheFearsomeMudcrab They were "forking" :D

[@christiansilvermoon]

FLUXCAPACITORWIGGLES darn, you beat me to it xD

[@allengallon4246]

That's a good one hahaha

[@gstephenson9442]

When he said "merge the good parts"... cut to penguin fucking

[@SuviTuuliAllan]

Love the capitalised 'He' when you talk about Linus.

[@ShadowriverUB]

Android got modified Linux kernel, but it's only 25.000 lines of code different... from few millions. Most changes are dome in power management as default Linux power management systems not enoth for Android. Currently there is a project that targets to bring those extra features to mainline Linux that will allow to run Android on unmodified kernel :) but it will take time until this will happen

[@bencze465]

did it ever happen? :)

[@-Engineering01-]

@@bencze465 I wish that man is alive sfdffd

[@OkarinHououinKyouma]

I mean we can run Android on Linux, i don't know if it's native support or emulation

[@thedude4795]

so google instead of working more on the kernel for android started making exentions? i can see that would be a domb move

[@gthar]

He recognized that the kernel is actually a small (althought important) part of the OS. He's lucky Stallman wasn't there xD

[@petebateman143]

From the books I've read Stallman would agree. He recognized that GNU would not really be what he wanted until it had an open source kernel, but he's not a kernal nerd, so he was still worrying about it when Linus stepped up with what was to become Linux and filled the hole.

[@markzuckerberg3001]

Linus Torvalds has the sexiest voice in the entire world.

[@RealityIsAnOpinion]

2:51 Does anyone know what this conference was or have a link to the full video?

[@MUSTDOS]

Android 4 vs Meego, they are both linux, but I heard that Meego is better because the single core N9 was faster than the Galaxy S2 on sunspider. Is that true?

[@soshimo]

OS and kernel are not the same thing. Kernel is part of the OS, but the OS is made up of lots of parts besides the kernel. It's basically a piece of software that runs in the lowest ring (ring 0) and has no protection levels. It's called "supervisor mode". Drivers work in ring 1 and ring 2. User land is in ring 3 and it's called, appropriately, "user mode". Most OS code lives in ring 3.

[@luijo633]

The guy was like while(true){ Say("mhm"); }

[@ShadowriverUB]

Linux is practicly OS, if you want better understand it you need to throw stereotype that OS is fully flage software with full UI, because that view will mislead you in Linux world. Kernel operates basic fuctions of the system, not only drivers, it also constols processes, managing network connections on TCP/IP layer (or even higher if you consider network file systems), it's respocible to supprot varius file system and stucturising file system, it also have build in firewall

[@ShadowriverUB]

Back then Android changes didnt come to mainline kernel, now if you follow kernel news Android changes coming back to mainline kernel :)

[@flohuels]

plz use microphones next time :-)

[@ShadowriverUB]

There for use of Linux kernel force you to use same prinicples (that are typical for Unix-like system) one root directory with directory mounting, same files artticutes, user is identify by uid's and gid's, system supports same file systems as this is kernel feature etc.But most sign that Linux is OS is fact that binery compiled for Linux will run on any Linux kernel as long as dependies are meet. Lot of people say you need GNU to have OS.... well you can have other tools then GNU that behave

[@ShadowriverUB]

Lot of people don't understand that as they don't care and they mostly view OS as Full UI software because of Windows (btw Windows from 1.0 to Millenium was practicly UI running on DOS lol). This causing that Linux community (by community i mean users that just using Linux) are dividing themselfs for no reasons, it's kind of sadding. I can understand Android be seperate as it's mainly custom Java platform running on Linux but not distributions that are practicly the same

[@hanro50]

Shadowriver is me ore are like 50% of the comment section

[@MrGoatflakes]

Not necessarily. For example vlc is a (fairly) easy to use video player. It will play virtually anything you play on it, can be hosted on a usb stick and will play files that huge architectural marvels of commercial programs won't even touch.

[@StephenGriffinsmartguy2000]

I think that if both Apple and Microsoft allowed devolpers to improve thier code more often that Windows and Mac will be far better in the process.

[@ShadowriverUB]

the same and you wont see the diffrence, you can also in theory have 2 core software pack working as long ast hey not conflicting. Even if they conflicing you can create sperate everiament using chroot (thats how Ubuntu for Android works). Distribuions are all the same thing, just composed diffrently sometime offering it own window menager (Unity, Cinamogen), also providing system managment and software distribution systems.

[@AliRaja]

Nowadays google hates forking. fuck the corporate #loveforopensource

[@dvamateur]

I wonder if Mr. Torvalds is aware that Linux is also used in synthesizers workstations such as Korg Oasis, Kronos, as well as Yamaha Motif. But I guess digital instruments markets don't interest mainstream consumer, because this business is not as lucrative as smart phones or tables, who reach pretty much anybody (except for me, I'd never use those :)

[@tralphstreet]

Still not using smart phones or tablets?

[@frozby5973]

How about today ?

[@dvamateur]

@@frozby5973 Nothing has changed. I have just bought a Linux based Korg Nautilus, and my dream keyboard is the Roland Fantom 8.

[@frozby5973]

@@dvamateur :o 10 years later, thats some dedication :D

[@dvamateur]

@@frozby5973 Not a dedication really. Just a common sense.

[@MrGoatflakes]

Android throws away the most compelling parts of both Linux & Java to create what is basically a money making enterprise for Google. I see the most compelling Java features as: - It is almost completely eliminates cross platform compatibility issues - It has safe mobility of code - It has a rich library of functionality that is available on all platforms Java is supported on As for the most compelling aspects of Linux, it is so awesome I will have to think about it ;)

[@unclefester9113]

I agree with use MIC's comment. Maybe Linus is GOD - but he should still use a Mic.

[@orestesdd]

Could some one explain why is a Linux Fork? So what is a "Fork" in this context? is this a good explanation? In software engineering, a project fork happens when developers take a copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct piece of software. Thanks.

[@sinharakshit]

Yes.

[@gauravsinghchauhan]

what's wrong with the other guy?

[@pbezunartea]

Nice video, thanks for posting!

[@ShadowriverUB]

Then how do you explain that i can install Unity on my Arch Linux? :p it's same deam thing

[@Stopinvadingmyhardware]

I’m able to say I helped fork Linux 😅

[@ShadowriverUB]

Btw Android platfrom been poertedto Windows :) shows how Android is only floating on Linux

[@swargler]

I love forking more than anything.

[@fingerprince_]

i'm afraid that's just not how software licensing works

[@MrGoatflakes]

Yes it's a good explanation. Android took Linux and added their own (and very limited and non-standard) version of Java, and then in this broken dialect of Java wrote a user interface suitable for a smart phone or tablet.

[@xan1242]

It's because Linux IS a kernel.

[@xan1242]

@Tonypec1974 I dunno what my thought process was when I was writing that comment sorry... It's been 7 years after all

[@cannonwe2]

Linus is god.

[@RoyalG254]

this guy was a genius i think he swallowed C-language 😂

[@nabil.saadouni]

He still genius

[@Dehlvien]

The guy in the background needs to type softer. He must be using a mac, because he must hate his computer.

[@VoxNerdula]

Penis MoreBalls

[@imemyself2820]

What is faster, Linux or Android? My Kodi box running Android just fried itself along with every USB device conneced. Would that happen had I run Linux on it?

[@Sauros73-000]

And what about OS X ?

[@TysonHorsewell]

A Next fork... BSD Unix fork.

[@kapitandenis6346]

OS X is a combination of f/oss operating system Darwin (developed by Apple) and Apple's proprietary graphical user interface made of Quartz Compositor and Aqua desktop environment. Darwin was made of NeXTSTEP + BSD + other projects. It uses Apple's XNU hybrid kernel, which contains parts of Mach microkernel and BSD project.

[@justins7796]

lol fork

[@Mode1Bravo]

SO your basically saying you know more about Linux than Linus Torvalds? Somehow I don't think you have that kind of credibility.

[@justgivemethetruth]

1:14 ... Linus has a sexual fantasy while talking about Linux. Is that what that's supposed to be? ;-)

[@surplusking2425]

Linux is good but its huge success is definitely because of penguins.

[@justgivemethetruth]

Yeah, sure, forks are good things for Linus ... he understands them and can manage them easily ... for everyone else it makes the Linux world like a tsunami coming at you and when all you have is a teaspoon. So ... how to make money off free software ... or, is free software really free? Or ... have we really entered the computer revolution ... not so much.

[@HTHAMMACK1]

Android is not Linux. It may be built on a Linux kernel, but that doesn't make it Linux. Android is a mobile OS controlled by Google. That's why Google can withhold code whenever it wants, and can do with it what it wants.

[@carlosvalentin856]

They use a free program, an manipulate it to make money. Greed will never let free. This is why i love people that know how to write code, they have freedom to build on the Kernel. Free source programs are not good for regular users. For this reason they will never really take off. Up dating is a big problem with Linux. Plus you need at least 2 gig ram to download Ubuntu. Ubuntu is no-longer free. They use your browser history for ads.

[@parallel4]

... wat

[@computeaholics]

His (linus's) whistling s's when he talks is almost unbearable.

[@robertirvin7687]

computeaholics lmfao i didnt even notice it till i read your comment. Thanks -_-

[@15fakeaccount]

Android ain't Linux, because Linux doesn't have viruses but Android does.

[@hongmeiling6065]

+BB Christopher Vast majority of web servers run Linux, it is a mass market system.

[@hongmeiling6065]

That's true, but Ubuntu / Mint are 'home PC' styled distros I believe, and although Mint has recently had it's silly backdoor debacle, that was mainly because of a security flaw in wordpress, I think? And I think the 'open source community' has enabled people to quickly fix any holes that become evident. Not a particularly competent user myself though, so I wouldn't know too much.

[@kas1987kas]

Linux have few malware, rootkits and trojans. Mitigations: - you should use only the official repositories otherwise you act at your own risk - make sure you have patched system - don't give untrusted people access to admin accounts - give untrusted people access to accounts only if you know what you are doing - use "mandatory access control"/sandbox with internet applications (0day prevention) - etc I use Linux on various computers by 15 years and I haven't seen any of this. Except maybe for netcat, etc. ;) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netcat