They’re Making me Pick a New Laptop - Qualcomm Snapdragon X Daily Driver Challenge Pt. 1

[@LinusTechTips]

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[@Weirdduck23]

@@LinusTechTips skibidi rizz

[@Neowarshark]

The longest time, I wanted arms windows pc now they're a thing causes of the long battery life and connectionally (wi-fi everywhere) but if it can't game, I won't ever get one.

[@Driver___]

Why no ThinkPad X13s (13” Snapdragon) Laptop for testing? I would like to see this one too

[@fukov3400]

The trouble with trying to compare laptop speakers is that they all sound like MY laptop speakers.

[@handlemonium]

*Benchmarks for "Best Laptop Speakers"* •••> Apple MacBooks •••> Asus Zeyphrus G14/G16 •••> Asus Zenbook 14X OLED •••> Dell 7440/9440 •••> Dell XPS 15 •••> Lenovo 13x G4/14s G6 •••> Lenovo Yoga Pro 9i 16

[@MihkelKukk]

Me running a pair of Studio monitors for speakers:

[@BrawndoQC]

@@handlemonium Macbook always sound the best. I don't know how they do it.

[@elderman64]

​@@BrawndoQC Not after the Asus G16 tho, only some of the macs do sound as good or better than the Asus laptops now

[@spdcrzy]

@@MihkelKukk same lol. ALL laptop speakers sound like shit to me after having run a proper studio setup for 5 years now.

[@Junebug89]

I gotta say, the webcam on that surface laptop is ASTONISHING, the mic is pretty respectable for a webcam mic too.

[@SurlyYerby]

Microsoft can be mad at Alex if they want - but Alex's prior recommendation is why I bought a Surface Laptop 4 so hopefully they can see the value of appearing in these videos

[@_irdc]

He's demonstrating their repairability to an audience that cares about such things, why would they be mad?

[@bumpsy]

That sounds brave to me lol. We have some surface pro 7s at work and I've never encountered a product so badly integrated with windows, even though both are from microsoft. Good luck to you! May your experiences be better than mine :)

[@PrvtChurch]

​@@bumpsy having deployed hundreds of surface laptops and surface pros at work, my view on them is that the hardware itself is excellent but the firmware/drivers are the weakest link by far

[@mukunddhar6657]

@@bumpsy the worst laptop I've ever had was a surface 2017. The touch stopped on the left side completely AND the charging port failed twice..

[@bumpsy]

@@PrvtChurch we've had multiple dead clock batteries after just a few years (I think we have had around 40-60 in total, and at least 5 dead batteries). Maybe a bad batch, idk, but that definitely changed my view of surfaces for the worse

[@robindigital]

Tip for the team, vendors screw up the default installs. Even Office and Onedrive needed to be reinstalled with ARM version because native they were running x64

[@FabiVoltair]

I'd pay extra for OneDrive not being able to start

[@cluberti]

Office C2R is compiled CHPEv2 - both x64 and ARM64. If a vendor screws that up, that's not the screw-up. OneDrive ARM64 comes with Windows on ARM and is native. I'm not sure how old your information is, but.... no.

[@LogicalError007]

​@@FabiVoltairWell, you can disable it from starting on startup.

[@UltraVegito-1995]

Nah the Ryzen 4070 better

[@darksammy1409]

facts

[@ishaanshankar7509]

ztt references go hard

[@disjoint4921]

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[@CSP-YTG]

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[@kazi1]

Yup

[@louisfechoz]

I don't usually comment but these are the reviews I really like. Comparing the mostly important stuff of every computer and seeing them side by side is super enjoyable!

[@anshulsingh8326]

Now I want my trackpad to be of different color

[@alexdavis9324]

The mixed laptop ended up looking really good. If it was an option it would be the one I'd buy

[@YonatanAvhar]

Imagine if Framework sold replacement colored trackpads and chassis that you could mix and match, it would be an awesome expansion to the colored port thingies and the colored bezels

[@rowaystarco]

@@alexdavis9324 Not sure about the Dune with Sapphire trackpad, but the Sapphire with the Dune trackpad/bottom looked cool.

[@juliushuck]

channel sponsor dbrand got you covered

[@EikottXD]

​@@YonatanAvharisn't the point of framework to be able to continue to use the same chassis? So why would there be replacement ones unless it actually broke. Pretty sure it's a solid piece of machined aluminum though.

[@OldestHouse]

6:46 so everybody's gonna ignore how linus is a ventriloquist?

[@radulescubg]

I came to the comments for this. Unless someone behind the camera did this... But it was so goooo

[@LinusTechTips]

Was David - LS

[@MrNeck89]

Linus is a great actor brah, it looked so legit 😄

[@Stealth86651]

Are you surprised Linus has so many hidden powers?

[@falsemcnuggethope]

With his mouth shut.

[@HolgerNestmann]

Thank god no one picked the dell XPS. The should get no sale with the aweful decission to remove the esc key

[@MaxLittleBuddy]

Even Apple added Escape key back with their later touch bar models How does Dell think it is a good idea to remove it?

[@bastienx8]

Same thing for i/o : 8 years ago Apple tried the "all usb-c" format and came back. Now Dell is trying to do the same, and even removed the headphone jack...

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

@@bastienx8 yeah laptop have tons of space compared to a phone . Laptops nowaday have 13 inch display at minimum except on 100-200$ ones maybe

[@goncaloduarte4683]

A laptop is for people who want to do work with the least amount of roadblocks as possible, so having that keyboard issue and less I/O than a PS5 controller is such a baffling the decision.

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

@@goncaloduarte4683 true, no joke, whats the point of super portable slim laptop if you have to rely on dongle anyway, 15mm thickness laptop with many i/o is easier to carry than 12mm ones that force you to use dongle due to lack of i/o.

[@TheBulletTrain]

That Asus (at least as of 9:42) is looking great. Good hookups, good performance, and it doesn't have a touch screen. I love it.

[@andrew_anzhu]

Almost perfect. Only con is 16:9 screen. I don't know why. The Intel and AMD models in the same series get 16:10 screen.

[@TheBulletTrain]

@@andrew_anzhu Fair. 16:9 works fine for me, especially on a laptop. My biggest issue with laptop shopping nowadays is the touch screen implementations. You have to get to insane prices to find good laptops that do not have touch screens it feels lol

[@Uufda651]

I have a touchscreen laptop. I've used the touch function a grand total of like 10 times.

[@lightcookie1]

Thank you Linus for igniting the passion for computer hardware in me. Have been a viewer for over 10 years and now working at Google after graduating from engineering. I brought up LTT during my interview and my interviewer was wearing an LTT shirt and we bonded!

[@kuro.editzzz]

Grats man!

[@eldukedrino]

i am both jealous and happy for you!

[@boredapathetic]

just curious how LTT came up? i can’t even imagine how that could happen lol

[@daviddemmers130]

@@boredapathetic"... my interviewer was wearing an LTT shirt ..."

[@boredapathetic]

@@daviddemmers130 the chronology is a bit confusing. had he said he noticed the guy wearing an LTT shirt which then sparked a larger convo, it would sound less weird. okay, grammar police, signing out 🫡

[@atiagooqkinguliaalu4027]

Remember when laptops had like 4-5 usb, hdmi, usb-c, audio jack, sd card reader, network plug, and cd-rom? Now you get 1 freaking 1 usb and no sdcard no audio jack no cd-rom...

[@utkarshmohnot]

@@atiagooqkinguliaalu4027 next billionaire is going to be from usb hub industry

[@jbettcher1]

If Microsoft wants a response to the M series Apple Macbooks, they could start with not making Windows an obnoxious ad filled piece of bloatware? Seems a lot easier than waiting for a new processor lineup. It's well within their power to do so.

[@rowaystarco]

My problem with MacOS is simply the poor window management. I've used an Intel MBP 16 and an M1 MB Pro. Nice hardware but even after several years I never managed to like the window management. It kinda drives me insane. The only thing that kept me on the M1 Mac was the CPU/battery. But now I've switched to Surface Pro 11 and I'm loving it. I of course debloated the crap out of the machine when I got it, but it's not that bad on the Microsoft machines really.

[@neebuandsocanyou7557]

But then how would the PMs hit their metrics?

[@Dennisamzocken]

​@@rowaystarco They finally get tiling-by-drag windows in the next major release, so far you could only do a vertical split. For the last 15 years we had to buy an app for that. Personally i also set up shortcuts to move windows between screens, as long as certain fucks (cough, adobe acrobat) dont ignore my shortcuts. I honestly don't think window management has been an issue for the last ten years, there always were options.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

They turned Windows into an obnoxious ad filled piece of bloatware specifically because they want to chase Apple users. If the average Apple user used as many third-party services as the average Windows user did, all the iCloud integration and pop-ups in Settings advertising Apple services would feel just as bloated and obnoxious.

[@Adroit1911]

Oh for sure, especially since they are a software company. Optimize the software, don't wait for hardware to be able to run your shit software.

[@type102]

Incredible this video not only had a Segway to a sponsor by also and anti ad for framework.

[@carbonium1264]

Since new RISC V mainboard for framework laptops is coming. I propose a more difficult chalange Linux on RISC V

[@felixdesrochers9940]

Seeing how they struggled with x86 Linux, I can only imagine.

[@hugevibez]

I'm pretty sure that review would hurt my feelings lmao

[@reybontje2375]

@@carbonium1264 That is just masochistic. I used Arm back in the day when you basically had to run chrome in a VM to get WideVine support and I doubt the situation is better on RISC-V. Plenty of software and drivers just aren't supported for RISC-V yet.

[@lavishjaat]

@@reybontje2375 But you can compile from source

[@ytuser6276]

For an even harder challenge, try Windows on RISC V

[@scottyb069]

I might be the only one here, but I am a field service technician who never uses their laptop in an office environment. My prerequisites for a laptop are that I can balance it on one hand, open it with one hand, it has a full sized RJ45 port and USB type A, a matt finish, super bright, wide viewing angle screen for outdoors use and WLAN built in. It also has to be able to take a bit of a beating. My go-to laptop is pretty much any old Lenovo thinkpad made in the last 10 years.

[@arimill1045]

Agreed, if only those cheap 200$ chromebook cases had some real guts in them they would be the only things I'd use for exactly these reasons.

[@iamjuan5596]

fellow Thinkpad enjoyer, currently have a T480 for field work (Network design and deplyment) and a Thinkpad X1 Titanium that i use at home when im too lazy to use my desktop.

[@fxarts9755]

man all of these seem great but also disappointing in their own ways. like the bad display, dark display, bad keyboard, bad speakers,... like the dell looks so great on paper, but that that keyboard, aliexpress touchbar and unreliable display. Samsung or surface prob being the best out of this bunch

[@0Synergy]

I feel like bad speakers is the most forgivable. I always have headphones on anyway, in built speakers will always sound worse than a decent pair of $100 headphones.

[@fran2911]

Every single laptop on earth has either unreliable af or has horrible hardware and design decisions. I've been kicking off buying a laptop for YEARS now.

[@lycanthoss]

Samsung one has a buzzing sound (coil whine?).

[@Viewer13128]

yep speakers are most forgivable for sound guys cause we will use our own amp/dac, headphones/IEMs/speakers, etc.

[@Seskoi]

​@@0Synergy It depends! My girlfriend wanted a laptop to watch series in bed, speakers quality was a major point for her (and NOT downside like on Asus laptops, no sound was going out of the sheets).

[@Sterdog10123]

I went with the Lenovo Yoga. One thing that's really strange about these laptops is that, other than Asus and Samsung who seem to be adding a premium to their Snapdragon laptops, there is so little difference in pricing that waiting for a sale matters. I got my 15" Lenovo Yoga with the 1 TB drive for the price of the base Dell with a slower chip, less storage, and a worse screen. Bottom line, don't buy the low end models for full price, wait for a sale because the premium models will be that price if not less because of the small price gap.

[@MessyPointedBlob]

Actually the Yoga Slim X is pretty aggressive on pricing when it comes to upgrades, only $60 for 32GB when you configure on Dell's site. $32 for 1TB drive, etc.

[@MrPaukann]

It all depends on what is on discount now. That Yoga offer is gone, but the XPS with that OLED is on discount at bestbuy.

[@ayuchanayuko]

In the sponsor segment, you failed the chance to make Linus wear a red wife beater and a black vest full of GSkill ram to cosplay Duke Nukem. With him holding the gold and silver RAM sticks like dual-wielding pistols while sitting on a chair. _Trident Z5 Royals, hail to the king baby!_

[@Rushil69420]

@@ayuchanayuko they’re also called A shirts, btw

[@James-dc6ft]

I don't think he beats her.

[@CsQ_RandomRepository]

A similar sponsor segment was done recently on "We’re all being played and I’m tired of it" video, in which Riley was the one delivering the lines. I think I prefer Riley's version more; he really nailed the vibes of a prestigious/classy culture

[@EkiToji]

And to steal once again from They Live: "I'm here to sell RAM and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum."

[@XsynthZ]

Tank top, the word you're looking for is tank top

[@ScottWallace5]

Looking forward to how this challenge goes. I'm with Alex and picking the Surface Laptop 7. I have the Surface Laptop 2, and waiting for the Laptop 7 to be on sale, and that'll most likely be my next laptop. That repairability that was shown, incredible!

[@woodenotaku]

Would be very interesting to see compatibility with very old non-game software. I mean a lot of people never updated their Winamp after 2.95 released in 2003, or maybe they prefer that image viewer which hasn't seen an update since it got Vista compatibility. Or perhaps their job is heavily reliant on accessing an ancient Microsoft Access database with custom tools written in Delphi 5. These are all tools that work just fine even on the latest x86 systems with Windows 11 just like they did on Windows 98 or XP back in the day, but how fares the emulation on ARM? You might think this is a niche scenario only a few will ever encounter until you find yourself needing some ancient file extractor to un-ACEv1 a file or you're trying to extract an OG Xbox ISO with a tool from 2007. On Windows it's a matter of when you need the amazing software backwards compatibility, not if.

[@kiloneie]

Yeh, they seem to be really ignoring and or downplaying just how important software compatibility is. People aren't buying laptops like smartphones one of which's point's is the layman kids etc, which isn't the case for a laptop. Actually in some cases a x86 Linux is better at it than Windows is... then you compare it to ARM where half the modern games don't work... And then the whole stich of battery life goes down the drain with AMD's latest mobile processors, once again demonstrating that people should really shut the hell up about the buzzword ARM. Whatever small gains one might get in efficiency, gets massively offset with the sheer insanity that is the x86 platform's software, and it being better in some use cases. Thirdly, ARM, yet another proprietary platform vs RISC V(or whatever the latest one day might be) FOSS platform. Again ARM has been buzzworded and hyped for so many damn years that there is especially with these SoCs now, demonstrated that it is completely pointless, and will NEVER replace x86. RISC V on the other hand has great potential and is very interesting.

[@eDoc2020]

I don't think the x64 emulator emulates all the latest instruction sets but that's mainly an issue for games. I suspect most older 32-bit applications will work fine.

[@WarriorChant]

I've had the vivobook for the last 2 weeks now, and let me just say it is INCREDIBLE! I am so used to working from my desktop PC on an LG OLED tv, and the transition to this laptop when I take it out is easy. The screen is incredible, the keyboard is great, and the performance (with my 32gigs of ram) with chrome and photoshop is great! I am very happy with what I got for the price I couldn't ask for a better laptop.

[@TechTubeMedia]

Omnibook. A name from the 90s! Qualcomm Snapdragon X seems to be mostly a battery play, but looking forward to the challenge results!

[@stephangauthier911]

well battery has been THE major issue with laptops for a while.

[@TechTubeMedia]

@@stephangauthier911 100%, it's a step in the right direction. We just need usability and compatability to catch up, (so that the 15hrs of battery life translates to productive use). Adobe announced today that Premiere Pro is finally supported via emulation on ARM! We have low power devices that get you all day battery life for basic everyday tasks already. This will hopefully start bridging that gap.

[@gamist8166]

As an HP rep they tell me they're going for Omnibook to mean laptop. Should replace the envy/spectre (non gaming lines) soon enough, starting with this model. This model should def be a 2in1 or a better screen though, it's kind of a hard recommendation given those downsides

[@Dj-Mccullough]

(I'd love to see them test these laptops Vs almost Any cellphone with a bluetoothkeyboard/trackpad and a remote desktop computer running remote-desktop)

[@turbochargedfilms]

​@@gamist8166 that absolutely sucks

[@Uufda651]

I AM an accountant. Big yay for the numpad

[@MrMurl]

Given the new AMD chips and the Qualcomm arm chips things are looking up for windows. Great to see after a few years of suffering compared to Mac users

[@Marauder-q2v]

To be fair, they were suffering for much longer with hot intel chips with ridiculous thermal constraints

[@rowaystarco]

And it's looking bad for Intel right now. Firing 15.000 people, stock is tanking. If they don't pull something insane out of their asses now, they'll be in deep trouble.

[@falsemcnuggethope]

AMD chips work just as well (better) on linux.

[@theholt2ic219]

Intel has been holding them back just to be honest. For mobile devices, efficiency is the way to go

[@m.devellis]

Man the x13 flow is just an absolutely amazing machine. Using the last gen 3050ti model and I love it. Probably gonna end up buying another in a few years with, hopefully, a SD Elite

[@mauromerconchini]

I would have liked to see the Lenovo option be a contender with the rest of them. Was curious what the team would say about that particular model, since it's the one I myself have been considering. Regardless, I'm looking forward to how this challenge is going to end up.

[@Gateastrologykc]

i would have liked to see acer swift as well

[@dustojnikhummer]

Yep, their model is the only business one, T14s Gen6

[@neillewis2847]

I have one and it’s amazing. It’s fast has great battery life and best keyboard

[@spacecadetrik21]

I have the Lenovo. It's a superb machine. Display is fantastic, and it has the best keyboard of any of the ones I tried in store. Battery life is excellent on mixed use I am getting 15 hours easily.

[@the-daniel]

@@spacecadetrik21 same. Had the Yoga for 10 days now. Can't complain. Never used copilot thou

[@adwaitgoku27]

All that surface laptop 7 stuff, and no mention of the absurd amount of screen wobble while typing. Great going, Lie-nus.

[@luigidabro]

I always love those daily driver challanges!

[@KZaan-kp3lx]

Linus, you probably won’t read this but thats okay. Just wanted to tell you i love your video’s. I have been watching on and off for several years, and although 90% of what you talk about i don’t know anything about, i always enjoy the video’s and love playing them in the background. I also recently watched the video of SunnyV2 ‘The story of Linus Tech Tips’, and my respect for you has grown even more. I kinda hope you will never stop making videos. - S

[@Infigo96]

I'm supprised Alex didn't try to hunt down a Thinkapad t14s with the x elite. He has ben into the thinkpads in the past. That would at least be my arm pick laptop

[@awesomepuppy404]

as far as i am aware the thinkpad is only available with a fhd+ display

[@snapstromegon]

I personally also went with a Lenovo device, but the Yoga 7x, as it's IMO the better device when compared with the t14s.

[@SuperfluousIndividual]

I'm not an accountant either and I can't stand not having a keyboard without a numpad, simply because I worked with a cash register during college. I can probably type numbers faster in numpad with 1 hand than I can type my name with both hands on the keyboard, and with less mistakes too. Using the number row on the keyboard just feels weird to me since then. That's how messed up it is.

[@HerbaMachina]

@@SuperfluousIndividual Even without accounting, just doing a numerical passcode, or even programming, etc. There's litterally so many other usecases for a numpad and being able to type numbers quickly.

[@goncaloduarte4683]

@@SuperfluousIndividual I simply can't understand how someone can't find a numpad super useful, using the number row is soooooo bad.

[@tmzilla]

@@goncaloduarte4683 Numpads should not exist. Why is the default to have two sets of navigation keys, right beside each other? All it does is make keyboards much too wide. Computers that don't have nice haven't existed for nearly 35 years now and we are still stuck with this bad design. I do have a 6-row numbers-only numpad on the left of my keyboard however.

[@goncaloduarte4683]

@@tmzilla you say that numpads shouldn't exist but also say that you have a numpad that you use...

[@abcpea]

I love numpad. I can't imagine using a calculator without one.

[@ThatRandomDude914]

1:20 caught me off guard in 100s of ways

[@JacobShepherdEngineer]

I was digging that dual color surface. I didn't think anything unusual about it until you mentioned it.

[@SnazzieTV]

The only bang for buck snapdragon laptop released is the lenovo yoga slim 7x, especially the 32gb variant.

[@lucifernebulae]

I think recent quality of LTT videos is really great!

[@NistorAlin]

Never been more excited for a series to come back :D I really hope that one day you'll do another one with macOS

[@andrasviragh2663]

Great project overall, super excited to see the conclusion. However I found it difficult to focus and keep track of things while being bombarded with so much raw information about so many devices. Especially in the one by one overview section of the video. Maybe a piece of text on screen with the name of the current device throughout it's introduction or something like that would've helped.

[@TheCologneGaming]

No Lenovo Yoga or even ThinkPad T14s with Snapdragon.

[@robindigital]

The Yoga is awesome. I think it would be better than all of them

[@pixGu]

@@robindigital I bet it bends permanently after a year of usage like all yogas do...(plastik hinges)

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

Can only use and review what they can get sadly.

[@meowmix705]

@@pixGu 10 yr old ThinkPad Yoga going strong! (Metal hinges)

[@TheMeeeeeeeeeeep]

I usually dont find ThinkPads all that attractive. I mean i like them for their features, but they arent sexy machines. But in this comparison both machines would kick ass! Even the speakers are great this gen.

[@techgroveusa]

Great insights into the Snapdragon X Elite laptops performance and usability. The highlight on the importance of real-world testing as opposed to relying solely on specs was quite illuminating.

[@AthanImmortal]

Arm based PC + Mac OS = New breed of hackintoshes when? :D

[@rowaystarco]

Old Hackintoshes mainly ran on Intel CPUs, pretty much the same interior parts as in Macs. I can't see any reason why Apple will release drivers for Snapdragon chips and I'm not even sure the platforms will be compatible. But there will probably be a bunch of Linux distros at least.

[@katrinabryce]

@@rowaystarco For starters, I think the Snapdragon NPU is very different to the Apple Neural Engine.

[@rowaystarco]

@@katrinabryce That's another thing as well for sure, and I'm pretty sure Apple is doing some special encryption on their devices as well. Hackintoshing is unlikely. Also, making a hackintosh machine was usually about getting a ton of performance cheaper, because their Intel devices had a very poor power to price ratio.

[@walkinmn]

Interesting idea but although they're both arm based SoCs I believe the architecture of some components especially the GPU core is different. I'm no expert but I don't think it would work, at least not natively.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

The apple cpu and gpu are very different from the standard arm design, plus the snapdragon x elite are very customised too (arm is currently suing qualcomm over this).

[@danielhulan3058]

I loved the sponsor ad. Its a throwback to that british voiceover who did those uber rich yacht shows.

[@techny3000]

3:53 I got so excited when Linus said "no compromises" I genuinely thought they did the impossible and gave it a full sized SD card slot We're never getting the full sized SD card slot on a laptop ever again are we 😭😭😭😭

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

The dongle life is here to stay. Thanks Tim Apple 🍎!

[@gjmob]

@@Nostalgia_Realm I blame Marillyn Lockheed as well ✈!

[@davidtanase7753]

I love so much the fact that Dbrand is so present in the videos, even when they are not a sponsor

[@rusinsr]

I got a new Dell XPS at work and I concur - you get used to the keyboard really fast, and I really really like it :D The keycaps aren't flat, they're dome shaped, so your fingers find the keys easily with touch alone.

[@noahcuroe]

Really excellent video. Ill be honest, this was much more informative than your Snapdragon X review video as comparing so many laptops helped to identify differences in how the new chip is integrated in different laptop models with regards to battery and performance. One suggestion, please add one or two additional battery life test methods. After looking at other reviews it seems like the Snapdragon excels in power effeciency for low performance tasks, for example video playback is very efficient possibly because their media decode hardware has been hyper optimized for mobile devices. When the snapdragon is given mildly more intensive tasks the efficiency drops quite a bit, and falls off a cliff with medium to high performance tasks. This leads to the battery life underperforming compared to Macbooks for more typical all day usage for students and professionals. I think some additional power efficiency tests would really improve the scope of these videos. Regardless, very helpful!

[@stephen1r2]

I'm not really caring about touchscreens on a laptop TBH; tablets and phones, yes certainly. But unless the laptop is a 2-in-1, I don't miss it. Unless the touch pad sucks.

[@fujinshu]

@@stephen1r2 Agreed. MacBooks kinda converted me away from 2-in-1 laptops with their amazing trackpad.

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Yeah, touchscreen on laptops is useless if it doesnt have 360° hinge or detachable keyboard

[@fujinshu]

@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 I wouldn’t say “useless” explicitly. It really does help in an age where tablets and touchscreens are the norm for interacting with devices, so even having a touchscreen on a standard laptop is good when everyone has forgotten how to use a trackpad.

[@falsemcnuggethope]

pov: a laptop is a 2-in-1 if it has a touchscreen.

[@itIsI988]

Idk personally I find touchscreens useful for reducing RSI when scrolling through long documents. The trackpad alone becomes agonising to use after a while.

[@sbowesuk981]

Two things I never care about when buying a laptop is a) trackpad performance, and b) speaker performance. I always use a separate travel mouse with a laptop, and if I am doing something that needs good sound, I just pop in my hi-res earbuds. What really matters to me is the display, keyboard, and battery life. Would personally trade some battery life to go for an OLED display.

[@kakaovski]

I wanted to give like to this video after this excellent sponsor segment, but resented. After you did Yoda, i could not resist anymore

[@SinisterSlay1]

Do I care about thin? No. Do I care about bezels? No. Do I care about changeable batteries? Yes. Do I care about easy maintenance? Yes. Do I care about upgradability and longevity? Yes. Do I use my laptops for 10+years? Yes. These laptops are literally the opposite of what I would want and I'm very disappointed so many people want these. I'm very glad framework laptops exist. And when it's time for my next laptop, it'll be framework. Might be next year. My 2012 laptop officially too old for Windows 11. And it's removable battery means it's still has the same battery life it had 12 years ago. 3 hours... Lol

[@TactileBiscuit4]

I think that's because most people do not use a laptop for 10+ years.

[@SinisterSlay1]

@@TactileBiscuit4 I guess most people like throwing their money away, e-wasting everything, and killing the planet. This is why we deserve the apocalypse.

[@TheQwerty256]

Interestingly, none of those apply to me when requesting a work computer, for which I prize Battery, size and weight above all else, low upgradability is not my problem

[@MrPaukann]

Idk, I find my XPS pretty easy maintenance. It's like 10 screws and the bottom panel comes off. 10 min to clean out the dust.

[@stevenrichman7101]

During university times, like 10 yrs ago, I got myself a refurbished thinkpad x230 (still running strong somewhere in the family btw). Man I loved that machine and the cheap replacement parts. E.g. I got a Dockingstation for 10€ and as they were so cheap I just got 2 of them, lol (work and home). Speed wise it was perfectly fine for what I was doing and with the big battery (exchangeable of course) it lasted 10+hrs on Linux. Modern thinkpads on the other hand... Meeh. Hopefully framework becomes something thinkpads once used to be.

[@fracnis6309]

Been using an ARM windows laptop for almost a year now and its awesome. Setting the screen brightness literally changes the battery life by hours.

[@patchworkkid24]

how is the driver support? I had a surface pro x sometime ago and hated it because many drivers refused to work or even install.

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

What do you use your laptop for ?

[@Maxjoker98]

I have no way to verify this, but it *might* be that some of the devices are faster on battery because the power delivery system doesn't need to consider that the charger is pumping extra current into the battery. Batteries can deliver very high current for a short time without any problems, while a currently-charging battery, or just the laptop power brick, can't.

[@falsemcnuggethope]

It could simply be that the charging circuit produces extra heat that affects the cpu speed. Might even happen when not charging any more.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

It's more logical to explain with heat, i mean even charging the battery is producing heat, and the chips are thermal limited, so it's matter a lot if there is extra 5-10W heat source around the chip or not.

[@fakcofee]

Best snapdragon laptop, according to the most reviews, got a 2 second honorable mention in your video. Other possibly best contender didn't get even that. That's all people need to know about your entertainment channels

[@MattWillPrior]

Wouldn't mind seeing another Linux challenge when Cosmic launches. Personally ready to put my main machine from windows to that!

[@kmcat]

Don't under stand people who pick Linux based on the desktop environment. You can make any distro look like any other distro.

[@MattWillPrior]

@@kmcat not all of us live in the shell😅 I use Linux on my laptop but I'm a casual user. I treat it like mac or windows. I've tried pop but a while ago. However when Cosmic launches I'm gonna give it another go. Just I can't stand the bloat of window s

[@AyaWetts]

when Cosmic launches, its going to be brand new and buggy... good luck. I wouldn't consider messing with it for a couple years myself.

[@kmcat]

@@MattWillPrior just like installing any other application. Watch a KZbin video on it

[@gusslx]

Bro wants to daily drive software that hasn't even reached alpha 💀

[@DctrGizmo]

I'm excited to see what the rest of the challenge will be like!

[@christianb427]

2:16 OCD kicking in and childhood flashbacks "Turn off the water, you wasteful kid, water is not free!" Also applies for you, turn off the water Linus. You literally dried out the pipes xD

[@OrinSorinson]

I especially appreciate how upgradeable these new laptops are. Love to see tech becoming more and more consumer friendly.

[@01ai01]

I think it makes far more thermal sense to have a laptop run slower when charging instead of faster on ac. Charging dumps a ton of heat into a laptop, and thin/light laptops rarely have the cooling solutions to dissipate that plus heat from the rest of the system at the same time. So these laptops are likely set up this way on purpose, not a bug.

[@highimwolf]

But what about when the laptop is already charged to 100% and still plugged in shouldn't it be faster?

[@itIsI988]

@@highimwolf Yeah my SP11 gets ridiculously hot when charging over USB-C but once it's finished it's barely warm. Also surely when you have it plugged in you'd want to treat it like a desktop and have all the power available?

[@eDoc2020]

From a _thermal_ perspective it makes a bit of sense but from a _power_ perspective it certainly doesn't.

[@TheFojacko]

Looking forward to getting one of these laptops a few generations down the line when software support and x64 translation has inevitably improved.

[@DMonZ1988]

bit odd that the tandem oled screen is 60hz, 400nits and halves the battery life. the technology is supposed to offer efficiency and brightness but the implementation has neither so whats the point? many of the other laptops offer brighter oleds at 120hz while still keeping up with battery life. seems like a con that shouldn't be mentioned in a positive way. does it offer any benefits? EDI: ok in the next scene it seems brighter than the rest. were the specs you put on screen correct?

[@fujinshu]

I think it’s because Dell is using the tandem OLED screen to provide a longer life to the display, while Apple is using tandem OLED to push brightness further to match their previous LCD and miniLED displays.

[@mhf0gamer]

Definitely appreciate that sound comparison as i watch this with my phone speakers 😂

[@ddnnmo]

Of course the Galaxy Book4 is slower on Cinebench. It's the only one where GPU is a priority. It can actually game in 1080p unlike the others! Please test this out as well, i felt a bit bummed by how this was portrayed.

[@CanIHasThisName]

Currently that’s a very weak argument given it can’t run about 50% of videogames.

[@ddnnmo]

@@CanIHasThisName it's a weak argument for a buy ofc, but a very strong argument for fair practices.

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Honestly if you play game on laptop , Snapdragon laptop should be avoided.

[@kendokaaa]

@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 Agreed, but it would've been interesting to see

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

@@kendokaaa maybe they just don't bother with that cuz mixed bag result from their gaming Livestream on Snapdragon elite laptop .

[@clarenceoveur9497]

11:07 nice touch on the turtle crossing displays!

[@Ayura0]

5:13 KOREAN PRIDE RAAAAAAAAAH🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@sprinklednights]

I love Korea.

[@BTheBear]

I did see framework is working on a RISCV system. I will be grabbing that in a heartbeat if/when it becomes available.

[@OwenYelland7525]

god i love dbrands marketing team. The fact the urls actually work properly made me laugh

[@MacCrunch]

The Samsung Galaxy book and the Omni book X both appear to be strong contenders. Being a heavy laptop user, the battery life on these machines is particularly impressive.

[@hedlund]

As a more-or-less voluntary member of the church of Emacs I find omitting the Escape quite the stupidly stupid move. Any keyboard without it is simply useless to me.

[@Sw3d15h_F1s4]

@hedlund it is rare that i can say this, but the vim users stand with you. escape key is a hard requirement (yeah I could use ctrl-c or rebind whatever, but i dont.) (neovim btw)

[@d01c0xc]

agreed, no escape key is a deal breaker for me (neovim btw)

[@evanfox3136]

This. I don't get why its so hard to include an esc key. (neovim btw)

[@abeeinspace]

Escape key good (neovim btw)

[@Octamed]

Rebind caps. The most useless key in the most prime spot, now becomes BETTER than escape!

[@LRM12o8]

14:35 I'm not an accountant either, but complaining about a number pad is the wildest thing I've ever heard from Linus! 🤯 I'm an IT-specialist. I never use a keyboard without numpad unless I absolutely have to!

[@GameTL]

got so used to watching shortcircuit I thought there's going to be a MacBook for the speaker comparison

[@callumery119]

Why did they take the cover off the NCIX PC in linus's office?

[@Jimmy_Jones]

Think he said that there was some issues on a WAN show

[@djjamiekenya]

i love the design and power on the framework laptop, nice review

[@vigour6786]

Touchscreens on laptops has got to be the most bizarre things from this past decade. If it's a hybrid tablet + laptop I can understand the use but a regular laptop having a touch screen is so not needed. If anyone has one please let me know 1) how often you are using the touch screen, 2) how often are you cleaning the screen, 3) is it worth it?

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Yeah, i cannot see use case for touchscreen on laptop that doesnt have 360° hinge or detachable keyboard.

[@falsemcnuggethope]

My mom used one. It can be really helpful if using a touchpad is not seamless. The downside is that touchscreens suck with Windows still.

[@priultimus]

that sponsor spot cracked me and my partner up so much it was SO jarring for his hair to change colour and the voice that was so funny

[@AttackVector2]

1:22 linus reminds me of slim shady from the hair and no beard lol

[@encelade8616]

I'm Slim Shady, yes, I'm the real Shady

[@Ordlnary_Gamer]

@@encelade8616 all you other slim shadies are just imitating.

[@xL_csgo]

Nice way to include the investment disclosure!

[@leethepluggplinter4364]

As a darkskin person, the cameras most times wash out the scene and it looks really bad... Maybe add dark skin to the camera test??

[@jamourns9587]

as a Lenovo shill, disappointed it didn't make it in this video - hope you do get around to reviewing it soon!

[@MaximNightFury]

I love how Linus ragged on the Trident Royal line for being kinda tacky yet now he's sponsored lol

[@leonro]

tbf their whole point is to be tacky, so much so that Linus even emphasised that in the ad

[@MaximNightFury]

@@leonro Yea, I like how he takes the piss

[@Physicus9]

Ngl having a number pad was literally my deciding 'feature' when I bought my laptop. As a finance major (and even if I had decided to go into chemistry or engineering) it's one of the best things I like about laptop keyboards. I ended up spending way too much on a laptop because it had a numpad and I went with the Asus Predator Helios 16 (PH16-71-94S6). It has a horrible battery life but the numpad is godly and has a pretty darn decent feeling keyboard. I'm actually surprised that LMG/LTT didn't do a review on it because of its pretty good performance and screen. There is a very large caveat; however, because there is no way to overclock the machine, despite the i9-13900HX (X being the operative letter). I will try to reach out to Asus about this but there's probably no chance that they'll ever respond because I'm a no one, and large companies don't spend money when they don't have any fallout over certain matters. I know that that this will be buried in other comments, but still....

[@RickJ.C.C]

Where's the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x?

[@spiv]

shouted out towards the end

[@billykennedy4530]

Any time Linus holds something like the laptops that is holding at 5:38 scares me because of his reputation of dropping absolutely everything

[@soragranda]

0:35 Is not better battery wise than Apple M series... specially not with 4nm XD.

[@david2752000]

There is so much good humor in this video. The segue, how Linus says Dellll because of the non physical esc button. Thanks for giving good advice and a good laugh guys. Keep up the good vids :)

[@daneh031]

What are the use cases? what software are they using?

[@neebuandsocanyou7557]

They’re writers, so probably just office. I can’t imagine that they’d be unhappy with these, but I’m not sure why they wouldn’t just use an m1 air since they’re $799 at Costco now.

[@RusRus72]

@@neebuandsocanyou7557 nobody bought a mac since 2021

[@daneh031]

@@neebuandsocanyou7557 does alex not use solidworks/fusion? does the social media human need to ummm edit things with photoshop. so context would be nice.

[@jonasschulze8097]

0:35 "Is it worth the RISC?" Nice one, but a missed chance to hide this in the subtitles.

[@adicsbtw]

I dunno if I'm the only one, but I feel like the investment disclosure this time around could have been more clear. To those of us that have been on the channel for a while, it's clear enough, but to a new viewer, it'd be unclear. Who is invested in? Who are they invested in? A new viewer would likely have to do some digging, which kinda defeats the purpose of the disclosure in my books. Not holding it against you, just pointing it out for future videos

[@InternetStudiesGuy]

This was the first time I didn't skip through the sponsor segment on an LTT video

[@Jordanllam]

no lenovo yogabook is a shame

[@levelupwithsam]

It's hard to believe you guys didn't include the Lenono Yoga Slim 7x, the best alternative to the surface devices imo. That's the one I plan to buy.

[@realCriminalLawyer]

Same, I just wish it had a different color option

[@christophzeiner697]

I´d rather go with the new Ryzen Mobile CPUs, as of now i don´t trust Qualcomm to deliver the same level of power as for example Apple Silicon with its Rosetta Emulation.

[@rowaystarco]

It's up to you. I can say I really love my Pro 11 (SD Elite inside). But if you are a casual gamer on the side, the AMD models are probably better. For the regular light software I use, I'm experiencing great CPU performance. The Snapdragon X chips are quite fast.

[@arzsupra]

Even for light gaming the Snapdragon is good enough. Don't think most ppl will play competitive shooters on a laptop and expect to do well on it.

[@NissanSkylineR32GTR]

Tried all of them and I liked the omnibook the best. Just picked one up the other day. Definitely feels really nice to use.

[@vhol93]

05:19 hahahahaha

[@Perrajajaja]

I used to agree with the "headphone jack mandatory". But ever since I got proper Bluetooth headphones, I can't be bothered with cables anymore when working on the go

[@B.D.F.]

It would’ve been nice for the MacBook Air and MacBook Air to be included in the speaker comparison as a sort of “control”.

[@billyeveryteen7328]

I love the fact that Gskill still had their Trident Z Royal memory as the sponsor despite the fact that both Linus and his team mercilessly take the piss out of it any time sticks of it come out of the warehouse. And the fact that Linus is still kind of taking the piss out of it in the sponsor segment itself,

[@bean0_099]

Are we not going to talk about the hair 1:22

[@steevenhyde3505]

He's rebelling. 🤭

[@davidthemonkeyv1]

he has had that hair for at least a week now.....check wan show

[@leviathanpriim3951]

its to hide the grey

[@Artaxo]

Don't acknowledge it, he's doing it to draw attention. Hopefully this phase will pass and we'll get the beard back.

[@rajanbhateja6844]

You can thank DBrand for that

[@PaulBredenberg]

Props to the LTT team for packing a Robin Leach reference AND ventriloquism into this episode.

[@Mystical_Zeus]

I can see the trackpad not being centered being an issue but I can also say that an included trackpad is a must for literally anyone and I think Linus is wrong about the "accountant" take. I have long passwords and there's a lot of number sequences in them so a number pad is a must to not feel like I am pecking at the number row like a chicken trying to put it a lengthy password. I think after using it I could get used to using the offset trackpad in exchange for a number pad.