Steam Deck Competitors are ALREADY Here - GPD Win Max

[@zombl337og]

this is exactly what Valve wants. A bunch of protable PCs that can do anything like a normal PC......including running Steam and/or SteamOS

[@benneboii8117]

Exactly. Showing people that running AAA games on portable devices is possible will only be a benefit for them, regardless of system used.

[@zinger565]

Bingo.

[@applehazeva2739]

Steam Deck is basically PC 2

[@vivianfoxtail5425]

no matter who you go for steam wins

[@castiel5076]

@@applehazeva2739 More like PC Lite.

[@jackm8083]

Those look like a little laptop that the stereotypical bad guy uses to "hack" into stuff

[@Ebsy1]

"It's a Unix system! I know this!"

[@LightningSquad]

I uploaded my Face Reveal...

[@DigitalJedi]

ikr. I kinda like it though. It's cute in a weird cyberpunk way.

[@stacksmasherninja7266]

@@Ebsy1 then the story reveals that it's a GNU system

[@azyrael96]

Using the sticks as well.

[@nexaentertainment2764]

"Steam deck competitor" costs over 2x as much, performs worse (at least from what we've seen so far). Yup. I get it, valve is almost certainly selling at a loss, but still. It's not even close, unless you /need/ the keyboard.

[@bryanmiller476]

Well the these come with twice the storage as the maxed out steam deck and the steam deck isn’t gonna be sold anywhere besides valve themselves, probably not even on Amazon

[@dramaticmudderer5208]

@@bryanmiller476 I don't think it matters that much because most of the time it's going to be shipping from china, no offense

[@moltenhydrogen2218]

@@bryanmiller476 throw a 1tb kioxia bg4 into the deck if you're handy enough and add a microsd card (or have a bunch) for additional games. since you're upgrading storage anyways get the base model deck. Buy a caldigit nano for 230 dollars and rip the bg4 for it. Maybe even throw in a 1tb sandisk extreme for another 200 dollars. 400 + 230 + 200 = 830 dollars. Still 170 dollars short of the gpd win max, and with double the storage (although the microsd will obviously be slower). Use that 170 dollars for an aftermarket keyboard or a dock/usb c hub, or maybe some steam games!

[@bryanmiller476]

@@moltenhydrogen2218 the steam deck is sold for a huge loss at all storage sizes and done so cuz they have no plans to sell in stores, it’s gonna always remain only available online from valve themselves and they make up money by steam games which they get 30% of all money from anything sold on steam And upgrading the internal storage inside the steam deck isn’t made to be customer friendly and will void the warranty Then you gotta reinstall steamos to get that stock experience back and you don’t even know if that steamos will even be made available like that, we could be looking at a situation where once you erase steamos you are then stuck having to use another os

[@moltenhydrogen2218]

@@bryanmiller476 No it won't void the warranty. That's illegal in the US. And yes, valve has confirmed that steam os 3 will be available for download. Why would they not have it available for download? Please use common sense if you're going to make up excuses.

[@EmblemParade]

As good as these are, Valve just blasts them out of the water in pricing. That's the real transformation that Valve is creating, bringing PC gaming down to a cost and level of accessibility that it frankly never had. $400 and you're in.

[@hassam363]

The thing I'm worried about is how long that price will last. It's some seriously aggressive pricing.

[@voltagekd6159]

Real talk

[@ahsanihafizhu]

@@hassam363 hope that they produced a lot of steamdeck enough so that it's hard to be scalped

[@-Burb]

@@ahsanihafizhu You need to have a reservation to get a steam deck order, and you have needed to use steam for a couple months to get a reservation so most orders shouldnt be bots

[@dontmatter966]

Isn't that how the console business has worked for awhile now? They sell a product at a loss for awhile, and recoup the costs with other services that make it profitable.

[@TheJuggtron]

We're heading back to the old days of "it depends what you're playing"

[@thedestroyer3879]

Becuse we no longer are on the gamecube and ps2 days

[@TheJuggtron]

@@thedestroyer3879 i was more refering to the days of Voodoo2/3, Virge, Riva128 etc

[@zequixd519]

@Comas Turda write it on Twitter cuz no one in KZbin will trust you

[@HippyHouse]

@Comas Turda i think you secretly love the melanin

[@sommerblume9671]

@@zequixd519 what

[@JokingJay]

The problem for everyone except Valve is that AMD APUs with RDNA2 cores are currently exclusive to the Steam Deck...

[@alexipestov7002]

@Rettznom Economies of scale... lets see what Steam can pull off there

[@locked01]

Exclusive? Is that so?

[@jonasamon9091]

unfortunately, by the time the deck ships and is in the hands of consumers, there will most likely be rdna2 apus in new laptops and desktops.

[@tienatngo9199]

no one talk about battery?? i think It:s the most important thing. Long battery life make switch be a truly portable gaming device. I dont think steam deck can handle an AAA game for 1-2 hour, just like some gaming laptop.

[@hendrikheim5665]

@Rettznom The cost for them is overpriced is because demand and supply is low, to make profit and make back research, marketing and other stuff they have to charge a premium. There is a reason you could've found at times find laptops with a 1650 with ryzen 5 4600h under 600 easily, heck I even bought one under 500. When you have scale then you can keep the prices lower. Those overpriced gamepads in component probably doesn't even cost 400

[@Marioand64Luigi]

The steam deck looks to beat these by miles. These arent handhelds, they're literally small laptops that look like a nightmare to actually hold. Not to mention being way more expensive and worse performance wise.

[@ligametis]

To be fair they are worse in gaming, but overall way more versatile with that keyboard and even thunderbolt.

[@Marioand64Luigi]

@@ligametis But at that point why not just buy a gaming laptop? These things look about as portable but with less power. And sure thunderbolt is there but again, why not just buy a laptop? Is anyone really gonna buy a graphics card to connect these things to? I certainly wouldn't.

[@ligametis]

@@Marioand64Luigi Are you talking about buying gaming laptop in place of steam deck if you think just about gaming? Agree, gaming laptop is better than a deck with way more performance or even Switch due to library. But these GPD "mini laptops" are unique, they are a full computer, just a lot easier to carry.

[@Tennila2]

@@Marioand64Luigi This is why I decided to just use my phone with a Razer kishi controller to emulate games. And now when cloud gaming is getting more available there is really no need buying a powerful handheld or even a laptop. And if you still want a powerful pc then I think your correct in buying a laptop instead, since the ergonomics of these handhelds are far from optimal if you account for the weight and grip that they have.

[@derekfurst6233]

@@ligametis I'll say one thing, I type faster on the steam controller than any other controller i've ever used. And its not even close. On an xbox controller, I type like 20 words a minute tops. Steam controller i'm typing as fast as I can text, its amazing. even if you have a controller without touch pads, steam input has this "daisy wheel" thing (although i can't remember if they discontinued it or not) that even made typing faster on xbox controllers

[@SeanHodgins]

These could be awesome for robotics applications.

[@Shredxcam22]

ABB has one for their irc5 robot controller and it is trash.

[@fonix32]

I was searching for a ultrabook / tiny PC for robotics and arrived here.

[@tsionwilliamson1385]

You say robotics I say networking and penetration testing I mean that things small enough for me to shove in my jackets inside pocket or a small bag with really good spec to size ratio and an inbuilt Ethernet jack and usb 3.0 IO I think that makes it like the perfect solution for anything you'd need to do in the field with a computer

[@VincentGonzalezVeg]

The platform, like a bike this thing that does this thing we want The idea mana-fest

[@edstar83]

@@tsionwilliamson1385 "perfect solution for anything you'd need to do in the field with a computer" Like hack the Gibson. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIqxn4OubcuNeNU

[@DaJuicer5024]

I run fighting game tournaments here in California, and can confirm that fighting games are 100% tied to being 60fps. Each move has a specific frame data, that assumes the game is running at 60fps. So things can get a little wonky if you run the game at anything other than 60fps.

[@ZedDevStuff]

is this why most fighting games slow down instead of loosing frames like most games?

[@miguelborges7913]

@@ZedDevStuff yes

[@DaJuicer5024]

@@ZedDevStuff From my understanding, yes. All of your attacks, and movement all have specific frame data, that is tied to the game being 60fps. I can use Dragon Ball Fighterz as an example. Most Light attacks in that game have 6 or 7f startup, and at 60fps it looks smooth. If you change the FPS from 60fps to anything else, the game will still have those attacks come out in 6 or 7f, but since the amount of frames you’re getting is different that will cause the game to look much slower if you dip in FPS. Or much quicker if you uncap the frames manually.

[@DigitalJedi]

@@ZedDevStuff That's exactly why. Frame based physics means that as it loses frames, it physically takes longer to calculate each thing.

[@nexxusty]

Why would use a shit terrible game like that as an example. LOL, you run tournaments for that trash? SF, Tekken and MvC are the only fighting games that matter.

[@Thesilvernintendo]

Valve: yes, exactly what we want. We don’t have to make it and people will still buy our games.”

[@nexaentertainment2764]

Well, half the reason for the steam deck is likely to push adoption of valve's OS (or linux in genreal) too. They seem to want to be freed from being reliant windows.

[@WolvenSpectre]

yeah... all the people will buy these $1750 GPD PCs instead of a Steam Deck or a compact laptop with a controller and stream the games.

[@soragranda]

@@WolvenSpectre I mean, the most value steam deck is the 700 dollars one... And most would still be buying more storage anyway, 1tb MicroSD is about 250 dollars. Cheapest than the ones right now but the steam deck would still come out next year H2. To that moment Zen3+ (with rdna2 GPUs are coming out!).

[@Saiyan485]

So basically, these competitors companies are manufacturing nano-ultrabook gaming laptops that have joysticks. Kek.

[@neck-o]

@@nexaentertainment2764 I don't think this one was running a Linux environment, but it could. Perhaps?

[@lanarkorras4411]

Those ergonomics totally kill it as a gaming device though, whereas the keyboard... Well, I'd neither want to play nor work with that thing for as long as I would have to in order to justify a purchase in the first place.

[@nesyboi9421]

Honestly, as someone who for the longest time only used a 3DS and DS for mobile gaming, I think I could actually get used to the thing considering its form factor is so similair. What would get me is the position of the sticks and buttons and the overall weight of the thing. Oh and at its price point I would rather buy a laptop and hook an xbox one controller into it.

[@Ryan-li8qc]

I dont want to hold a laptop

[@andersonwallace4365]

There is no scenario where this would be my preferred device.

[@RayTRX8]

In Tekken 6, The Brokenness you were seeing was due to using Asynchronous Shader Compilation in RPCS3, Which skips rendering the objects until the gpu can recompile a shader and put this proccessing on a different CPU thread(s), It's worse on the Intel CPU because that has half the cores, meaning less threads where shader compilation could run.

[@TheMedievalNerd]

I'm more of a DOS Box retro gamer. And this thing about shaders with some emulators confuse me. Why doesn't it compile the shaders in advance? They have to be built in active memory on the fly?

[@RayTRX8]

@@TheMedievalNerd It's nearly impossible to extract shaders from any given game and recompile them ahead of time since they can be modified before being presented to the emulated GPU, so it ends up being redundant as the shader would need to be recompiled on the fly anyways. There's no way of knowing which shaders will be modified at any given time, so Emulator Developers resort to simply compiling them as fast as possible to minimize stutter.

[@mbsfaridi]

@@TheMedievalNerd Interesting.

[@TheMedievalNerd]

@@RayTRX8 Awww! Thank you so very much for the detailed explanation! And now I know!

[@RayTRX8]

@@TheMedievalNerd No Problem 😊

[@InsanitiesBrother]

"The first GPD handheld with Intel XE Graphics"... Also Linus, has literally held the GPD Win 3 in his hands....

[@allensword1855]

Ikr I facepalmed when he said that

[@HanSolo__]

Savage!

[@foxdart]

Yeah LTT has gotten just big enough that clearly Linus has less and less time to proof the scripts properly. Like ffs if they had watched their own content they would have seen this error. I know the guy just reads off a screen but even Linus in the moment should have grabbed this one.

[@Vysair]

@@foxdart LTT has script??

[@techfreakjames]

@AFK SOLITUDE You're recalling his line after the intro music. Before the music, Linus did say that the Win Max 2021 is the "1st GPD product with Intel Xe graphics." I noticed that error too. His editors have made mistakes like this before like when he reviewed the Win 3. Linus mentioned the GPD P2 Max but his editor showed a B-Roll of the GPD Win Max (2020). I'm not surprised if his writer makes such an error too. It's hard since they make a lot of videos per week.

[@DwarfBaerdyn]

"Specifically designed for you, the small business owner..." While I appreciate the vote of confidence, I do believe there has been some miscommunication. 😆

[@SocktheWorm]

Hell, I've been getting e-mails for months now trying to teach me how to improve the logistics of my semi truck fleet. I'm just trying to figure out when I bought one.

[@gnpaone]

My first thought was "Is the netbook back in the market?" 😀

[@BloodshedRomance]

I actually really liked netbooks but the performance wasn't there so these make me extremely excited.

[@dodecahedron1]

they never left, current small entry level laptops and chromebooks are exactly the same thing in everything but name and performance

[@madgodzilla12465]

I'd love to see netbooks make a comeback in the mid range market. The smallest laptops we can currently get with modest specification is about 13". I'd like to see some 5500u systems around 8" or 9".

[@h3xd3m0n9]

You mean omnibook

[@jbritain]

The modern netbook is the chromebook

[@Burssty]

I really like that PC handhelds are going to be a competitive market. Will be really healthy for the handheld market and help compatibility between form factors for applications. Bring it on

[@TheJohnboyhunter]

"I really like that PC handhelds are going to be a competitive market." No, they won't. No one but Valve will release a handheld at what could be considered a competitive price, everyone else will just buy laptops if theybother at all.

[@nomad_0036]

always that one guy who has to be against something

[@Tippy555]

@@nomad_0036 yes, thats the point of discussion. having only one sided opinions lead to flawed and biased views

[@nomad_0036]

@@Tippy555 putting somone down is not discussion.

[@WolvenSpectre]

If you call $1750 competitive...

[@GianniKnowsBest]

Linus: "These are not good for racing games " Also Linus: * proceeds to test racing games *

[@kodingamedev]

he was talking about the controls, not the graphics lmao

[@squitlertron]

Well how are you supposed to know how good it is if you don't test it?

[@Xfade81]

I always love how the auto generated subs say "do maternal".

[@ronniebasak96]

That's one way to read it

[@marxist-leninist-protagonist]

😳

[@quinton1630]

I searched for Doom Maternal to see what jokes people made up before even seeing those subtitles. Linus dropping jokes here

[@Adam-qs5ir]

Ha!

[@jack0654]

"Hey, I finished cleaning the menswear section of this department store, which section should I do next?" "Oh, could you do maternal" "Doom eternal!?"

[@Felinusfish]

Valve is the best player on the field. They're pushing Linux gaming hard and we will most definitely be seeing games with anticheat in the near future. I'm excited to see what they do with the Steam Deck, and I'm INCREDIBLY excited to see the capabilities of the Steam Deck. Here's to a decade of hopefully great advancements in technology!

[@credit0880]

linux gaming should have been on top years ago. sad its still yet to happen but, hey, its gonna happen!

[@billyhatcher643]

i agree cause game companies hate linux alot so i bet theyll make it impossible to play them on linux

[@hossel_]

@@billyhatcher643 why would game companies hate Linux? just because they don't support it, it doesn't mean they have a distaste for the platform. it's just not worth it for them

[@myopinionbetter4287]

@@billyhatcher643 full time linux users are such a minority that most companies don't care. Many linux users still also use windows OS specifically for games which are incompatible with Linux. So companies don't invest in such a miniscule sector unless it grows, after 5%-10% there will be a decent attention to the platform. It's not some irrational hate lmao

[@battlebuddy4517]

@@myopinionbetter4287 plus Linux community tend hate closed source software so there that as well

[@azel7056]

If anyone’s curious about the price and just lazy to look it up here apparently it’s around $999.99 on Amazon while the Full price is about $1,049.99

[@waawee2186]

And it sucks compared to the steam deck

[@ThatsMrMaxHeadroomToYou]

Currently £1399.99 on Amazon UK, exactly 4 times the price of the 64GB model of the Steam Deck.

[@AdmiralBison]

The rise of handheld PCs/Gaming PCs. Hopefully there will be more options, skus and sizes to fit different budgets and demands. Personally I am hoping for an all spec'ed up 9'+ screen handheld gaming PC that could be my main PC for work and leisure.

[@jordannoell4222]

I find it much more likely that the steam deck will be the only real handheld pc on the market, and everything else will fall by the wayside. Valve is selling these at a competitive price to gain more msrketshare and get even more people on steam. Other hardware manufacturers are selling these devices and need to make a profit off of the hardware itself, have thin profit margins as if is, and are selling too an incredibly niche and underdeveloped market.

[@Luxstar13]

this more like the revival of netbooks and portable pc console at the same time.

[@scurvofpcp]

I've been using a win gdp max (prior version) for about a year now as a travel machine and they are decently sturdy and does pretty well with the thunderbolt external gpu. The intl iris in it kind of sucks balls in some games though, like anything pre 2012

[@DwarfBaerdyn]

Can't help but be the snarky one here. "...for an all spec'ed up 9'+ screen..." You must be a big one if a 9ft wide gaming console is portable to you. Jokes aside, taking the Switch approach and beefing it up by an order of magnitude does sound nice.

[@scurvofpcp]

@@DwarfBaerdyn The thing I like about it most is the form factor. it fits in a 10 inch box and that can really be nice for travel, rather than keep it stuffed under the car seat or behind the seat in the net, I can keep that bad boy in the glovebox.

[@ChannelRejss]

"Maybe more broken ... but it runs faster." New Intel technology offering more fps unveiled. They call it "live removal of game assets during gameplay". What isn't there, doesn't need to be computed.

[@ChannelRejss]

@@lucasrem Where was I crying? It's clearly just a joke. 😅 besides, even if the assets need to be used for computing GI in the back, there's hardly any denying that visually clipping whole models will result in less compute for textures and possibly reflections, refractions etc...just out of curiosity though is that Tekken title actually even calculating any amount of GI at all?

[@kieranlee9610]

said this before say it again weirdly enough its just linuses gpd win max amd that gets more fps than the intel version intel one usually gets 10fps more in most games says this on the site too

[@GaryA1682]

Valves pricing strategy is aggressive and highly competitive if you ask me and it obliterates the prices on this systems regardless of spec advantages or disadvantages the only reason I myself would consider the gpd is because of that thunderbolt dock which is amazing to have but is it required for my use? Probably not. I look forward to the steam deck release 😎

[@MrHeHim]

The best/worst part about testing two completely different GPUs is that the drivers render different settings. So if you put in medium, you might actually be getting just under medium. This is part of driver "tuning" which IMO isn't cheating if it looks the same.

[@sim2er]

Depends on the driver settings

[@greghowards1098]

The best part is that, you don't have to be the bad guy

[@sergeybond97]

I think you should also test performance at low wattages (10 - 15 watt). That would give around 3 hours of play time or more. Max performance with max power usage is ok but you definitely don't want use device in this mode and constantly charging it to play.

[@chincemagnet]

I’d be carrying around a power brick in my pocket with a 6 foot USB cable to charge while I played 😆

[@JamesMichaelDoyle]

@@lucasrem lolwut?

[@aarontimm]

@@lucasrem have a day off

[@CiDK]

@@lucasrem this is absolutely for the nerdy gamers living in mom's basement

[@V935_yt]

AMD would have slayed the Intel easily at 10w. So he could not have framed them the same.

[@psycomutt]

I really enjoyed coming backs here and reading the ignorant comments/arguments a year+ later. Good fun

[@Strangely_Benji]

I love when the captions just say “???” When a background person speaks . I love the LTT editors

[@scarletspidernz]

Intel: We can make the gpu faster by not rendering some things half the time 🤣

[@jorgamund07]

9:36 Production gets tired of correcting Linus and slaps stickers on the screen to keep him from mixing them up.

[@Fintara]

Even if they were the same cost as the steam deck, I'd probably still go for the steam deck. I like the form factor of it much better. I'd hate that keyboard being there when trying to play something with the joysticks. If I want a keyboard for the steam deck, I'll get a Bluetooth or USB solution.

[@Thornskade]

The keyboards on these aren't in the way at all. It's like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a screen. They are also designed so you won't hit any buttons by accident.

[@stagger9660]

Yeah steam definitely wins in ergonomics

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

Not to mention that RDNA2 will be faster than the two.

[@dramaticmudderer5208]

@@Thornskade I think they meant it being in the way as in you have to force your hands around the keyboard to even hold the joysticks instead of them being in front of the keyboard

[@Thornskade]

@@dramaticmudderer5208 You don't have to. These keys don't get pressed by accident.

[@MondoMurderface]

This is one of the situations where the "Why not just buy a laptop" crowd has a point. The controls look awful so you would almost certainly need a controller anyways, adding a ton of girth to its carry size. Its for someone, but not me. Sticking with my steam deck preorder.

[@MrFastFox666]

From what I've heard, the Win Max actually has some decent ergonomics once you get used to it. Also, the Win 3 has the same Xe Graphics on the i7 model and is much smaller so it can fit in your pocket. The i7 ii65G7 is also likely better for gaming since it likely uses less power, leaving more available for the iGPU.

[@dramaticmudderer5208]

@@MrFastFox666 Never put a device(or anything) with joysticks out and vulnerable without a cover or something in your pocket, it damages them

[@Mabruk853]

yummy that looks soooo comfortable.......i can almost feel the pain in my wrists already, yeah nice. come on if it has a physical keyboard, it is just no damn "handheld" no matter how powerful

[@orionfell]

Idk doesn’t look too different than like a big 3ds

[@Mabruk853]

@@orionfell from a more abstract perspective you are absolutely right, but at least a 3ds is not square ^^ and it just really does not look comfortable at all

[@ShadowRubberDuck]

I like to believe inside the deep areas of valve there lies a steam deck where there is a bunch of emulated games on it where most people are playing breath of the Wild

[@datachu]

Lol, I'm actually playing breath of the wild right now on my 2-in-1 gaming laptop (in tablet mode of course xP)

[@li5up6]

It's funny that even when you are valve the only games worth playing are made by Nintendo

[@calebstuder448]

When BOTW released I'm pretty sure there was a huge race to see who could crack it for PC first. It took very, very little time

[@GenuineRage]

@@calebstuder448 yeah but im fairly certain all the early builds of it were running the inferior wii u version

[@alfiegordon9013]

@@GenuineRage it’s the best version when emulated

[@anikun]

"The best intel graphics to date" That was a very low bar to beat

[@ziad3077]

The title is misleading gpd win max was released before the steam deck was even revealed

[@334nickg]

So basically they're really small laptops that are uncomfortable to use and only get an hour or so battery life? I'd like to see a comparison of a full day of gaming between this class of laptop, a switch, and an ipad w/keyboard & controller. Maybe throw a laptop with a dedicated GPU in the mix as well.

[@Falcon5ive]

"Intel's top of the line...it promises to be an absolute beast, it's got 4-cores...." oh I see, Intel gets a participation trophy now.

[@bigmclargehuge1170]

More cores isn't necessarily going to help if you're limited to 25w.

[@anostio]

@Kawaxte which is a lot slower than the competition in single-core, which is way more important for a device like this. So what's your point?

[@Resanctify]

These idiots fell for the core amount hype. 6 cores is barely a thought for actual thinking power users for browsing while a game is loaded. 4 cores is still the most non-VM users will need on a regular basis. You people have hype rot in the brain, you do know clothing brands aren't that different either right?

[@anostio]

@Kawaxte it’s a handheld, if you want to do workstation tasks buy/build a workstation; fewer, faster cores, are far more useful here. This isn’t an argument, I was just pointing something out. If you want the best of both worlds, the closest thing is an M1 MBA/Pro, depending on how long your loads are, and how much you care about the slight performance deficit of the Air when it eventually clocks down. But then you can’t game very well, so they’re not very applicable here. They’re just the only true thin-and-light machines competitive with desktops in pro-level workflows.

[@etaashmathamsetty7399]

​@@bigmclargehuge1170 with ryzen apus you can "overclock" (tdp increase) them using ryzenadj / renoir mobile tuning and more cores do help with a 25 watt tdp another thing i noticed with my 4700u is that it performs terribly in dx11 games but when using vulkan my fps is greatly improved

[@Retroholic]

I don't think he plays it in the video but Linus has Arkham Asylum & Halo Master Chief Collection installed on the Win Max. A true man of culture

[@8diva8]

"We made it to where the Master Chief is standing on his thing." My brain just blue-screened xD

[@UNORTHODOX_]

I’m glad I’m not alone!!

[@nailozaz7596]

I'm glad I'm not alone!! (1)

[@98SE]

I'm glad I'm not alone!! (2)

[@elliotmarks06]

10x smaller and it's still more powerful than my PC...

[@CJSpade39]

Not just 10x smaller but also 10x more expensive than your computer

[@peekachugaming3231]

So you watched the Video in 1minute. Its out 1minute and your commentary is 1minute old right now. So your PC seems to be blazingly fast if you can comment over the performance already.

[@isaacmoon6739]

F

[@xiran4710]

F

[@elliotmarks06]

@@peekachugaming3231 I'm on my 4.5 year old phone...

[@mikestevejunior]

You finally show your face after a long while. I miss ya, glad you're back

[@TYKUHN2]

I'm not surprised the Intel was faster in many cases, it was rendering half as much.

[@nokian9005]

It's really weird to me that I can watch the no-audio closed-captioned "preview" of any of your videos, and my brain just fills in the silence with an imagined version of your voice.

[@jackcutter2]

I'm still loving that Gabe is ENCOURAGING this. He WANTS people to he able to play anything on the go with a handheld PC, not a laptop that overheats if it's playing anything other than Sims 2 😂

[@Thewaterspirit57]

Laptops have come a long way in terms of good gaming options :V If the laptop overheats, that would be more on the manufacture not making a good enough cooling solution, or even the user trying to push the system too hard. Even the best gaming laptops are high end tier at best, not enthusiast class (which is another step)

[@MrREAPERsz]

Laptops today are just as powerful as most gaming desktops

[@fartyfat6539]

@@MrREAPERsz its more about affordability. yes there are tons of powerful laptops to play games with, but what's the point when it costs you 10x more than console/mid tier PC. that's why handheld PC like steam deck is a good idea. Its good enough to run some AAA games but its price is low enough to be an option to console gaming.

[@Handles-Suck-YouTube]

I have a 1050 ti Nitro 5 that I run both Destiny 2 and other semi-demanding games on without issue. ... all it took was ubdervolting the CPU with ThrottleStop and locking the fans to max. That said, I did try a 3070 equipped Triton 300 and that thing's awesome.

[@MrREAPERsz]

@@fartyfat6539 laptops are expensive because of portability. You can set up your laptop anywhere and play AAA titles maxed out. The steam deck is a good option, but it's only good because Valve is already rich as hell and can sell at a loss.

[@orderlyhippo1569]

“Who needs stutter when you’ve got butter.” -Linus 2021

[@Maindric]

Literally read this as he said it. Surreal.

[@justahuman9273]

@@Maindric it happens to me so often that it gets creepy 😂

[@mattdeltoro2952]

If they made a shirt with this saying I’d buy it

[@mrbrittas3254]

why quote something he said?

[@Maindric]

@@mrbrittas3254 why quote anything at all? Just looking at it, it's obvious OP liked it enough to provide emphasis to it.

[@JoseGarcia-mi4ig]

Too bad most of these “hand held” devices, literally cost the same as a budget gaming laptop with actual performance and cooling…

[@sumeunggai5665]

Ain't no gaming laptop going for 599. Only talking steamdeck

[@JohnnyinCLE]

@@sumeunggai5665 ... With a GIMPED storage option, no less. Give me 2282 or nothing at all.

[@bytezero3818]

And no battery time to speak of.

[@DarkLink1996.]

I mean, the non-max GPD Wins can literally fit in your pocket, so you're paying for convenience there

[@JohnnyinCLE]

@@bytezero3818 Don't get me started on that. THE PHAWX have a very good assessment on the Wh math, that does stand up, against the theoretical being touted. Like The Phawx, I've been using and testing portables for a long time. I have no doubt that Valve will eventually release a nice device. But the first model ain't it for me.

[@phillee2814]

I'm most impressed with the Intel, as that is currently WAY behind in terms of software graphics optimisation, and there are bound to be some huge gains to be had once developers start catching up with that. I wonder if it can operate over PoE?

[@Green0Photon]

Steam Deck will be better. These don't have LPDDR5-5500 quad channel, these have LPDDR4X-4800 dual channel, and part of why consoles can be good is the GDDR6, so having the newest fastest widest channel memory is incredibly important. As with all other AMD integrated laptops, these are all Vega, not RDNA2. And this is Zen 2, even if it could've been Zen 3. Valve can't use Zen 3 yet, since AMD has none of the Zen 3+RDNA2 custom silicon done yet. As for the Intel chip, those 96 cores are the same as with the 1165G7. The only difference is some number of 100-500MHz depending on the scenario. Which probably won't be helping that much. Really, by far the most important thing is really that the memory is choked on all but the Steam Deck. If you did want to use these, I'd probably buy the Intel just due to the updated iGPU though, but really the better purchase is the Steam Deck by far.

[@szurketaltos2693]

Even for productivity the steam deck isn't so bad. Just use an external keyboard, though some sort of stand may be necessary too.

[@ligametis]

When you will be able to buy deck here and now I think GPD will already have something better. Steam Deck also doesn't have a keyboard.

[@ciphray]

These are actually quad channel lpddr 4266, not that that puts them ahead of the steamdeck, however quad channel with the memory used in these and the steamdeck is not equal to quad channel in a desktop, quad channel here ends up with 128bit width like dual channel desktop ram, unlike quad channel desktop which is 256bit

[@ligametis]

@Jack Reaver well one can function also like a computer, you can trubleshoot problems in servers, quickly connect it to other computers, overall it can be used for some serious valuable work. While Steam one even though has computer insides can pretty much be only used for gaming, even taking a couple of notes on train would be completed

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

@@ligametis the stuff ur talking about is all the reasons to get a small laptop lol

[@sietsedegrande213]

It does look less usable as a handheld though

[@Clickscap]

When he played doom it looked pretty comfortable

[@izamanaick]

It does look more usable as a laptop though

[@bmwofboganville456]

Win Max is uncomfortable vs OneXPlayer

[@techfreakjames]

I have the Win Max and it's pretty comfortable. Majority of the reviewers of the OG Win Max liked it too.

[@bmwofboganville456]

@@techfreakjames the OneXPlayer layout is far superior. Just use a bluetooth keyboard if one is needed. Win Max is awkward, palms splayed outward, it's a design which will die off.

[@Gorger12]

The vast majority of my steam library runs without a hitch on tiger lake. So far the only one I have run into issues is Doom eternal. Doom 2016 and Forza run great. I am not sure if Linus cherry picked games that worked poorly on XE or if it was by chance. With how pre-orders went down, I doubt the bulk of people will have a steam deck in hand before we have options for 5nm ryzen apus with rdna 2 being released, or intel's next line of improvements. If someone is watching this to decide what to buy, I would recommend the GPD win 3 for its portable size, great power efficiency, and build quality.

[@ReelPodcasts]

"latest book in Lord Gaben's Gospel." nice one there. Props to the writers for that one.

[@SVW1976]

Yeah Linus. We've seen these before. 🙄 Theres a reason why we're waiting for Steamdeck

[@Netsuko]

I mean at which point do we stop saying "handheld" and start calling it "small notebook" Because honestly, the GPD Win Max is just that. A small notebook.

[@ShockingPikachu]

May we call it a netbook. Coz they were small notebooks

[@marvinzimmerman1878]

@. not really

[@marvinzimmerman1878]

@. not really

[@thesteelrodent1796]

machines this small used to be called palmbooks (a term coined by HP IIRC). They mostly died out because they're overall terrible to use and cost more than most 13" laptops

[@jakelewis7595]

I feel GPD should use the trigger style bumpers, plus if you are using it on a tv it can add for more ventilation when its sitting down on a table.

[@speedracer2please]

I'm really excited to see the state of this whole category by the time I have a family and no time for proper gaming! I like the idea of the Switch but it doesn't have most of the games I've been playing.

[@gotoastal]

The eGPU situation and lack of USB4 support on the Deck seems like a massive oversight

[@TheAnonLee]

Valve may not be the only competitor in the field but they’re the only ones bringing their products to market with an affordable price tag that most can afford, unlike their almost/at least $1000 usd gaming ready pcs which aren’t nearly as powerful in a price to price comparison

[@XzaroX]

A lot of these indie devices are much cheaper if you get them through crowdfunding than via retail. Also Valve can afford to sell at a loss, indies cannot.

[@goose6102]

Dont forget that the gpu is between an rx 5700 and rx 6900 xt

[@jamesyu5212]

Good luck matching gpd prices with the steam deck outside the US. Steam deck has lower storage and no windows operating system even at its highest tier option. That would add another 200 dollars. Importing adds another 20% if you’re not in the US. You can already see that in the UK pricing of the steam deck. And while GPD retails at 999 in the US, they’re really closer to 850 to 900 on most Asian resellers. Steam deck is really good value… if you’re in the US. The opposite is true if you’re Asian. These are the realities of import duties. So for me GPD is actually way cheaper and better value, plus it’s available right now… whereas steam deck is only available in real quantities by Q3 2022. By that time, more powerful versions of the GPD will be available. Linus already mentioned anecdotally that the current gpd devices are just as powerful as the steam deck ( albeit at higher tdp and thus lower battery life). The next generation of devices would exceed the steam deck in power or battery life by the time steam deck comes out. So… I don’t buy into valve’s hype, because I bought into it a few years ago with their steam machines and got burned with the overpriced Alienware alpha r2.

[@chortlesg.3641]

@@jamesyu5212 From what I've read the Intel CPU in the Win Max's 2021 refresh is more power-efficient than the AMD CPU version when their TDP is above 15 W -- same as the official limit for the Steam Deck -- but conversely the AMD CPU being more efficient if they're both below 15 W.

[@jamesyu5212]

@@chortlesg.3641 power efficient is not the right word. The intel cpu has a higher performance ceiling at 15 watt tdp or more, whereas if you care more about efficiency the amd chip beats it especially at 14 watt or below. Let’s just say intel performs 20% better at 28 watts vs. amd at 25 watts. But by that power level you really wouldn’t be calling both “power efficient” because you can only game for an hour or less on full charge.

[@kurtnelle]

The form factor for these types of devices is very important. This looks good as a child's first computer.

[@lilkittygirl]

It’s great for anyone. This is definitely far beyond what a child should be using. These are enthusiast adult gaming machines

[@Ssshrugs]

@@lilkittygirl Obviously these aren’t supposed to be baby’s first computer. What the guy was trying to say though, was that they look like shit. Which they do, especially compared to something as slick looking as the Steam deck

[@m.irfan-7069]

Switch like form factor is better way for gaming

[@manuelnunes1502]

GPD came out before steam deck which I think some don’t know. It is nice to see more handheld PC being made.

[@geforce5591]

The steam deck is offering similar performance at half the power. ~15 watts.

[@ZedDevStuff]

and half the price

[@stealthysaucepan2016]

*Better performance

[@thunderingeagle]

@@stealthysaucepan2016 + better ergonomics

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

+better battery life

[@HealyHQ]

@@_Chad_ThunderCock +better in general

[@1ajgtwm]

As soon as Linus said GPD, we all rolled our eyes and knew the pricing was going to be outrageous

[@jamesyu5212]

Relative to what? Which umpcs with equivalent specs are cheaper?

[@dhgmrz17]

@@jamesyu5212 Well, the Steam Deck if you're comparing it to that

[@jamesyu5212]

@@dhgmrz17 the steam deck has half the storage at the highest tier, no windows license, no keyboard, has just one usb c port compared to 2 full I/O ( 2 usb ports type A, two thunderbolt, hdmi and lan port) and you have to buy the steam dock to get that many ports, no free mouse, no free earphones, all of which cost more than the 350 dollar difference if you add them all up. So no, this isnt really too overpriced compared to what youre getting and yes, even against the steam deck.

[@acejon2162]

A steam deck with 1TB built-in and licensed Windows OS will likely be more expensive than this, and it doesn't come with built-in keyboard and the steam deck is much bigger on size with the width at 30cm long, no built-in USB A ports etc. So the con list is very long for the steam deck.

[@skillfuldeep4552]

@@jamesyu5212 Man and gd has half the performance, id rather have more performance and have to buy a usb c dongle, multiple sd cards, or the tiny ssd's that are probably gonna become more prevalent than have an objectively worse gaming experience with shitty ass sunken controls and the risk of my devices hinge snapping when i open it too many times

[@vladislavkaras491]

Man, this is great how computers are finally evolving ;D!

[@astealoth]

I am surprised GPD didn't jump on the Ryzen APU way sooner. After seeing what my laptop with a 5500U can do, I am 100% in on the low power gaming thing. It's a 7 CU Vega + 12 thread Zen 2 CPU. It can run my whole Steam library native 1080p on 15W. Glorious. Intel Xe looks great on paper, but it is going to take them a long time to prove themselves in the driver space. The DOOM performance is terrible, but it is almost certainly a software issue. They need to get gamers in the driver team. For 15 years Intel HD drivers were optimized for web browsing with no thought for gaming performance. Now they're trying to break into the gaming APU market but the software is still rudimentary like it was in the Core2 days. We're this far into Xe's lifecycle and it can't even run id tech, one of the biggest and most mature engines on the market? Just bad decisions.

[@gangwu4541]

Totally agree. Doom runs perfectly on intel tiger lake early on, suddenly it’s broken after a game update??? This is unacceptable.

[@EmulationDojo]

And these competitors can too be yours, for only the low low price of 3 Steam Decks.

[@jayspeidell]

I mean, they're not really competitors but laptops with joysticks. I had a mini laptop like that in college and it was nice and portable, but not something I'd pull out and game with on a bus.

[@Jake1702]

Hopefully in a couple years these things can all start shipping with SteamOS or some other distro.

[@ss-xy2im]

Highly unlikely GPD will release linux drivers. So far they have relied on the Linux community for drivers.

[@Pokebilities]

The “average customer” wouldn’t be buying this😂

[@ryle1683]

Exactly, "handheld portable gaming" is stupid.

[@Pokebilities]

@@ryle1683 no it's not stupid honestly, phones are only capable of so much, but the person buying this instead of a switch 1. knows about and 2. Probably had a basic understanding of PC gaming

[@ryle1683]

@@Pokebilities i understand the mobile gaming because everyone have a phone these days that when you get bored in a commute or in a long travel you can just pull out a phone and game on it but seriously "Portable Gaming PC"? Competitive gamers knows that's just Marketing BS for kids, if you travel a lot, why not just buy a gaming laptop, you can also use it for work and other stuff rather than these stupid "handheld portable gaming device"

[@Pokebilities]

@@ryle1683 in the American market, convenience is King, so small and lighter but still capable will always have a place. That's why phones beat out tablets for our person computing devices

[@ryle1683]

@@Pokebilities Yeah, i guess it's a western thing, have a nice day

[@zacharykew-denniss5068]

Ah, Little Big Planet. I grew up on that series. We need a new one 😭

[@mattdeltoro2952]

“Who needs stutter when you’ve got butter?” Please make this into a shirt

[@cpeyton78910]

Yes

[@Xander4096]

I canceled my funding for these when I heard the steamdeck was coming, best choice I’ve made.

[@CarbonPanther]

Then again, that might kill of competition when everyone is buying the Deck! Valve can do this low pricing because of how financially successful they already are, AYA or GPD don't nearly have the funds to go that low and make mass contracts and are therefore reliant on ours, however, i find it odd that even with that in mind, most of these recent portables do anything but innovate, using the same internals for years now with the same general reused layouts.

[@KibaWolfbane]

Same, I considered the Win 3 until I saw the deck. Don't see how this one's any different than that.

[@tradeka4206]

@@CarbonPanther like you said, none of these companies have the resources and reach that valve does, so it will be easy for them to come in and basically corner the market on these specialized handheld PCs. They’ll be offering better performance and most likely better build quality at a better price. Their deal with amd is a huge advantage too, there’s not really anything the other companies can do to compete with that.

[@maserade12]

I love the steam deck but the lack of thunderbolt is why I'd rather keep my GPD win 3 for now. One of the main reasons I got the win 3 is so I don't have to haul my whole PC to a friend's house and instead just bring the win 3 and an external GPU. Though as soon as one of these portables has zen 4 with a usb 4 port I'll gladly get it.

[@alexipestov7002]

@@tradeka4206 Not necessarily, the Steam Deck fits a niche, the competitors just need to fine a different one, after all custom computers of an unusual form factor isn't terribly crowded

[@nguyenquanavi]

Other people: *treat devices like carrying eggs* Linus: *grab win max by the screen*

[@gabe4360]

Meh, Deck has far better controls/ergonomics. And power efficiency a.k.a. playtime.

[@stealthysaucepan2016]

And price and performance...

[@yourfellowhumanbeing2323]

Don't jump the gun, let it release first

[@chortlesg.3641]

At least on the Win Max (both versions), there's both a bigger battery (something like 57 Whr to the Deck's 40 Whr) and the CPU/GPU power can be limited to the same 15 W max as the Deck for more playtime

[@gabe4360]

@@chortlesg.3641 Considering they have lower performance at 25W, I don't see how further reducing that to 15W would help other than in battery.

[@chortlesg.3641]

@@gabe4360 Helping with the battery is exactly what I meant re: TDP down to 15 W on either version of the Win Max.

[@terrycook2733]

I still think PSP was 10 years ahead of its time.

[@grimmdaniel4622]

Loved that. I remember, in its time it had much better games than smartphones have right now. Almost AAA games with decent campaign. For iOS/Android, apart from GTA ports there isn't any, just "mobile games" like Asphalt, or Real Racing. But honestly who wants to play with those?

[@codycast]

16:00 so what’s the difference between plugging it into a huge eGPU and just running on a PC?

[@jamesyu5212]

When have egpu enclosures suddenly come close to the size of PCs? They’re as small as mini itx cases at worst. And razer core x is about the same size as intels beast canyon Nuc.

[@nathansstuff1547]

Reason you'll find such different advertised framerates is kinda due to GPD being quite biased towards Intel. For a lot of the games listed, the Intel machine won't reach those advertised framerates.

[@ivanheffner2587]

“It’s definitely broken on Intel, but it runs faster.” Great. Intel can render errors faster than AMD can render properly.

[@Radgerayden-ist]

Best optimization in programming, do less stuff

[@theoriginaldylangreene]

​@@idkanymore3382 Intel's latest flagship just barely scrapes past AMD's previous generation....It's Intel fans that are seething.

[@SkrovnoCZ]

@@theoriginaldylangreene I think that both brands are good. Sometimes is better AMD and sometimes is better Intel. And we need that... the competition. Because having a competition sometimes leads to lower prices, and I think that nobody has problem with that.

[@Heliocentric]

@@andyastrand why do you care? Is your girlfriend trans?

[@ivanheffner2587]

Wow. Paraphrase an observation and the fecal pillars appear. Intel vs AMD. Better / Worse. It depends on the task and the goal. On one game Intel has more frames and more improperly rendered frames. The same game AMD has fewer frames and fewer render errors. What is better depends on whether you want animation stutters when frames drop or if you want all of the frames regardless of whether all objects in view are properly rendered. Who.. The F-K. Cares.

[@Jack-The-Gamer-]

If you could flip the screen around and use it as a tablet, I might be interested. But you can’t, so……. I run a surface pro 6 with Manjaro. Use the fancy little keyboard and an on-screen gamepad. Mainly use it for watching KZbin, reading manga, and emulating games. Stream more demanding games to it from my desktop. Would HIGHLY recommend.

[@applehazeva2739]

When i had a gpd win 2, i thought it was Revolution Look where we are now.

[@oliverrugg3732]

"we've invented the laptop, but smaller"

[@nsp585]

3 years ago

[@stealthysaucepan2016]

Netbooks: let me introduce myself

[@torokun]

Biggest advantage these other devices have is that they are faster with iterations. Experience might not be as smooth. But they will keep pushing for the latest specs at cheaper price than Valve

[@apocalypseap]

Intel only runs faster on Tekken 6 because it's literally not rendering some of the graphics.

[@christophersholes1377]

Yeah Intel struggles to compile shaders while the game is running in multiple emulators. AMD does much better there, often being unnoticeable that it is compiling.

[@Nutt_lemmings]

Bruh the games not meant to be played above or below 60fps

[@christophersholes1377]

​@@Nutt_lemmings It fails to render them at 60 as well for the same time frame. Also when you're benchmarking things you uncap frames to see maximum potential.

[@RaXXha]

The form factor they've chosen for these is ridiculous. xD

[@derekfurst6233]

Eh at least they sell multiple form factors. the win-max line runs along side the win 1-3 line. Most people would probably prefer the win 3, but the win max has a bigger screen, bigger battery better performance, and a physical keyboard. So i can't fault them for giving more options

[@hunterivey]

I rarely have crashes from AMD devices, they actually run very well, for example I played Grand Theft Auto in 1080p, and they manage to run through the whole game very well.

[@louberry1512]

These don't look like they would offer a comfortable long gaming session like the steamdeck or switch. They definitely have their audience but like others have said, its more of a mini laptop than a a handheld

[@Thornskade]

It's the same as the Switch or a DS in comfort. Both have flat back panels and no grips. No, they're much less like laptops and much more like handhelds. Can people PLEASE actually hold one before making up all this nonsense. Know how many people say the Deck would be uncomfortable because of its weight? That's you, spreading nonsense about something you don't understand

[@konkelkent]

Ok youre telling me that "competitor" isnt just a fucking small Laptop, like cmon now

[@stealthysaucepan2016]

Mum can we have a steam deck? We already have a steam deck The steam deck at home:

[@Light-DelaBlue]

for 1300USD....... taht HURT compared to the 599USD of the steam deck!

[@konkelkent]

@@Light-DelaBlue Ridiciolus, too me its looking like a Gimmicky Laptop. The steamdeck and Nintentdo switch are completely differenty things, and different experiences.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

GPD already makes products focused on gaming, this is also focused on work

[@sinisanicetin]

Real compare is between GPD Win Max with unlocked bios to 3733Mhz and newest Intel drivers to hit 4266Mhz on that platform like I have and GPD Win Max 2021 version. I also use Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB. Try Linus and compare that ;)

[@FangerZero]

Anyone else laugh whenever he says motion blur turned off. I agree with Linus worst feature ever.

[@arsnakehert]

Finally, the gaming netbook _Finally_ we can have cyberdecks after 10 years of iPads disrupting that market

[@CodeVenomSnakes]

They are not netbook but switch form factor for pc and powerful enough for AAA games.

[@stealthysaucepan2016]

@@CodeVenomSnakes they are basically netbooks dude

[@GreyBlackWolf]

@@CodeVenomSnakes Kinda. Yea they can run them, but low frame rates and thats at medium settings. So saying it can run them is a bit misleading. Cause for some (like myself) thats not acceptable circumstances at $1k to $1.5k.

[@arsnakehert]

​@@CodeVenomSnakes Steam Deck is Switch form factor, this is a netbook with analog sticks and controller buttons tacked on tbh I prefer the idea that it's a modern, non-scifi cyberdeck since you can run Linux/WSL on it and just connect to a cloud server or do your own programming in it with something that's small enough to actually feel somewhat comfortable on one's lap

[@arsnakehert]

Like, cyberpunk-inspired cyberdecks are kinda impractical and flashy in the real world, netbooks were how the concept (at least in terms of form factor) translated to reality iPad and the ensuing touch-first, content consumption app-first tablets disrupted the netbook market, it's refreshing to see something of a comeback of them, especially more powerful ones

[@codemasters]

Two of our games in the same video? Blessed 🥰

[@DigitalJedi]

I hope that custom SoC in the steam deck, or something like it, can find its way into tablets. I would love to have a reasonably powerful x86 tablet. My use case of specific drawing apps and java programming interfaces that don't like ARM is super niche, but I'd like to move on from my atom powered tablet from 2017.

[@kbhasi]

I agree, especially if it ended up not only having various features I want (many to list), but if the bootloader wasn't locked down like on Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 Pro so I could go from Android to desktop Linux when I want!

[@DigitalJedi]

@@kbhasi That would be really sweet. I would love to be able to switch between say, Linux and Windows 10/11 on my development device. It would be much better than having to wait to get home and do the windows things on my workstation, when I really should be able to do those things on-site.

[@ChristopherToro]

The price on both of these is painful though, so far no contest.

[@bryanmiller476]

They come with twice the ssd storage as the maxed steam deck, that’s why Plus the steam deck isn’t available yet and won’t be sold anywhere but from valve themselves online

[@billreid6025]

Exactly. That proposed Valve price point is what has my attention.

[@dramaticmudderer5208]

@@bryanmiller476 I don't think it matters that much because most of the time it's going to be shipping from china, no offense

[@SuperUtilisateur]

@@bryanmiller476 So double the storage and it doubles the price PepoG

[@asianflex]

just wondering, why did you put blender on the gpd win max?

[@martijnholland1714]

Why on earth would you compare these devices to the steam deck? The form factor is completely different. A small notebook with some type of game controllers versus a from the ground up designed hand held game device. I don’t see the “competition”.

[@blueguy09]

portable handheld gaming pc, that's the category.

[@ThyInfoMan]

Man, the fan on that thing is super noisy, especially considering Linus's mic is far away from the device and it's picking it up

[@Theboss00077]

Thunderbolt port is great addition for this device and I hope Stema Deck will have it or at least USB 4

[@Casavo]

It's funny for me as these devices fit my gaming profile way better cause of the keyboard yet I find the steamdeck more interesting. I only play strategy games like hoi4, ck2, and total war and yet I'm more interested in a steam deck that is impractical for that type of gaming.

[@ajburdett882]

I've always liked the idea of these things but thought they look really clunky and seem to look way cheaper than they actually are. I also can't imagine using those joysticks in the position they are in is going to be a great experience, can't imagine the keyboard would be particularly nice to use either. I think I'd rather sacrafice a bit of performance if I had to for a nicer form factor and more polished build quality. I think GPD will be out of the window for me unless the steam deck is a huge flop, which it doesn't look like it will be

[@Thornskade]

What you think is not reality.

[@techfreakjames]

I have the Win Max and I can say, it is comfortable to use, even for extended periods. I normally play with it on my lap or with my hands resting on a table. Watch the reviews by the Phawx, Taki Udon, LowSpecGamer and Linus for the 2020 edition. It's a really nice experience. I think the Steam Deck might be better, but the Win Max is still pretty good. Don't listen to the people here. Majority of them have not even touched a Win Max and are only new to the handheld PC gaming scene. The rest of us have been here since 2017.

[@ajburdett882]

@@techfreakjames fair enough, I've watched all the reviews Linus has done I think for GPD products. I've always wanted something capable to do Nintendo (Wii, GBA or NDS) and some Sony emulation but could never justify spending the money on something that I would likely only use for that. I know the GPD products are perfectly capable of game streaming but I probably wouldn't bother with this either, I think I'd make the effort to sit at my desk and play the game with my proper PC setup. The Steam Deck looks like a much nicer form factor, still I doubt I'll get one, will probably put that money towards a PC upgrade instead, or buy the Switch Pro when that comes out and hack my old switch and put android on it which I did in the past

[@techfreakjames]

@@ajburdett882 well, if you're doubting spending the money for a steam deck, then you'd definitely do not want to spend it on a gpd product, especially if you already have a desktop pc. In my case, I know that portability is my #1 priority (reason why I didn't get a desktop / full size laptop). But I also wanted to be able to play almost all if not all steam games. That's why my setup is as follows: 1. All games playable on the Win 2, I play on my Win 2, majority of PC games are playable on it anyway (let's say conservatively, maybe around 85%) 2. For games not playable on the Win 2, I play on the Max (covers 99.9% of games) 3. Win Max + eGPU for the remaining 0.1% of games (Cyberpunk 2077 and AC Valhalla have been tested by others with an eGPU). In case you do decide to purchase a handheld gaming PC, look up the Phawx's videos. He goes in depth into these devices which should help you decide which one to get. Although if money is a major consideration, nothing really beats the steam deck.

[@ajburdett882]

@@techfreakjames yeah considering I wouldn't use it that often seeing as I don't do any long commutes anywhere so the portability aspect would be pretty much wasted on me. I'd use it when I want to chill out and play a casual single player game while lying on my bed or somewhere else in my house other than where my desk is. I have a powerful gaming PC with a Ryzen 3900x, an Asus Strix 1080ti and a nice curved Acer 165hz 1440p 32inch g-sync monitor, I wouldn't want to do any serious gaming on anything else really. Yeah the steam deck certainly looks like a good value option. I think if they ever do a sale or something like that I'll see if I can snag a good deal on one. Will be so nice to have the lovely form factor of something like a Switch being able to run full fledged PC games. GPD obviously have their place and I'm sure they are great products for people that need that kind of portability, but I think the steam deck will appeal to a lot more people when it launches

[@YogurtSnipe]

Portable gaming pc’s/decks getting better makes me so happy.

[@CAGEtheGEGEG]

they've been here

[@Mustafa_9628]

Imagine next year when intel’s GPUs hit the market and we get a handheld with it Future has never been brighter like these days

[@post-leftluddite]

Doesn't anyone realize that Intel is planning to have their GPUs produced by TSMC....which means intel GPUs will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to alleviate supply shortages and will only stretch an already thin supply even thinner

[@anotherperson7766]

@@post-leftluddite yep