Should YOU buy a Junk Computer to get the GPU?

[@urlocaldartmonkey9448]

OG Title: "The Best Custom Gaming PC is… a PRE-BUILT?? "

[@sage131]

@@plarak7309 what the...

[@rachmatzulfiqar]

No wonder they change it, it doesn't look click bait-y enough

[@railvoidgaming5536]

@kiwikemist I hate them they always popping up

[@quack1119]

Yup

[@quack1119]

@kiwikemist done

[@VampiresDarkCreed]

Always gotta love how seasonic is chill with what they sponsor.

[@misty_radio4958]

@@taniax2487 nobody cares

[@markusfpv1349]

I love how Linus is chill that dbrand is sponsoring him

[@MindBlowerWTF]

@@markusfpv1349 why he shouldnt be coll with that?

[@eisenklad]

seasonic is chill because some PSU brands/models from their "competitors" are made by them.

[@markusfpv1349]

@@MindBlowerWTF They mock him

[@cthis4786]

There's also the “adrenaline rush" you get from seeing a GPU that you want with limited stock available and hurrying your ass to get in line to buy one. I saw nine 3070 Ti's in stock at MSRP at my local computer shop, I drove as quickly as I could to get in line- in the end, I bought the last one in stock!

[@umarnadeem5527]

Amazon is selling ryzen 3 3200g for thrice it's original price, I can't even find it for cheap at local stores

[@caffeinesippingman]

@@umarnadeem5527 I live in a rural area. The closest best buy is a 2 hour drive, one way. I think the closest Microcenter is 6 hours one way. No local used reasonable priced parts. (We do have the occasional "for sale dell $1200 firm I bought the Dell for $1500 8 years ago and barely used it") Our local computer store keeps"old machines" if they sell you a new one. For example I helped out a lady that had a PC with ddr4 in it and wanted windows 10. The local computer shop said she needed a new PC. Only $1399. She only uses her computer to RDP to her work PC.

[@fistwood]

MSRP?????!! dang ure lucky

[@curiousspud1011]

........lucky bastard

[@PICUDOtheFIRST]

Love to hear it

[@itsprobablynotbutter]

First computer I ever bought was from the pre-built company Lyte Technology. Boy, it was an absolute mess. They advertised new components and everything shipped with obvious wear and tear. Components started going out left and right and I eventually built my own PC. They tried to pacify me at one point by shipping me a 1060 as a consolatory "gift" for all the issues I was having with the PC. The card came to me covered in corrosion with bent fins, looked like it had been left in a water bucket over night. I would really love to see LTT do a review on a pre-built from Lyte Tech.

[@buffphraug9172]

Id like to see LTT start selling high quality pre-builts for people who don't have time to build their own

[@tyw877]

@@buffphraug9172 make that part of Verified Actual Gamers maybe? Good mesh case, 12th gen Intel or AMD, 16gb ram, and possibly SeaSonic PSUs.

[@KenKashiSensei]

funny because i just got an advertisement for lyte prebuilt pc’s before i watched this 😂 thanks for the info

[@ilham7345]

@@buffphraug9172 here we go 20+ new employee

[@itsprobablynotbutter]

@@KenKashiSensei No problem! If the experience could at the very least be a cautionary tale, I'll take it. Within 4 months of receiving the computer, everything fried but the HDD and of course, the case. Built a new computer from the ground up about two months ago and haven't looked back. Lyte should be taken out of business.

[@JushiroUkitake7]

When I was first "getting serious" about PC gaming we had an already few years old HP Pavilion Desktop. I ended up upgrading pretty much the whole thing, starting with the PSU and putting in a GPU. By the time I finally decided enough was enough and got the money to replace it with a custom built pc it was 10 years old. It was never an amazing PC but it served me well. I definitely will never miss building in that tiny case though.

[@Mezurashii5]

Same story here except mine was trash. It stuttered inexplicably throughout its very long lifetime, I never found a fix and it stopped me from gaming altogether for 3 years or so because I was just too frustrated.

[@cardinalpepe]

@@Mezurashii5 maybe the power supply was bottlenecking everything

[@Ethan-zs3dz]

Wow that’s the same story as me except haven’t upgraded just added

[@miniser]

Same story here

[@gleamnite]

Ship of Theseus PC!

[@darthmayhem2523]

Thanks for showing the price breakdown if you were to "build" the same machine. I think that should be a part of any pre-built review. It really shows you how much profit is being made. Thanks as always!

Not really because he didn't use the exact same components, but shows how much better you can get for the same price if you were to build it.

[@matuzaato]

Not really, system integrators don't buy the parts at the same price you and I pay. It's a nice exercise but it doesn't tell you anything about their profits

[@hbfjkxjnfnf9032]

I bought a prebuilt and it costed £20-£30 more

[@wyterabitt2149]

You missed a big point in this video, and heard what you want to hear lol

[@saifaddeenal-manaseer6325]

@@matuzaato they also have to pay to assemble it for you, so I wouldn't call the difference profit either.

[@alwinlangmann89]

I just need to say i absolutely love the clichee orange/yellow Tint on the "Mexico-Scene". golden classic - no pun intended

[@applehazeva2739]

Me too!

[@MrKite75]

Sadly there is no snow or Best Buy here for that matter

[@Gabriel_ATG]

@@MrKite75 there's no best buy in Mexico? What are you talking about, i go to one every month where I live

[@gldev8191]

@@MrKite75 fucking shame they went kapoof, bought all my house appliances there, delivery was alwas on point!

[@ericklopez2330]

@@Gabriel_ATG I thought Best Buy Mexico closed last year. Its prices were insane and I can only think of 1 or 2 actual stores in the whole country.

[@camman1115]

I got a prebuilt in ~2014 for like $500. It had an i5 4460, 8GB of RAM, 256GB Sata SSD. I slapped a 960 in it and eventually 16GB of RAM and it did great for 5 and a half years. My biggest regret was that the LGA1150 socket basically capped my CPU at exactly what I had so when it came time to upgrade it was a mobo and CPU upgrade. Which basically turned into a whole new PC. It still runs to this day as my mom's Facebook games PC.

[@robertt9342]

When my parents were looking for a computer several years ago they were wanting a prebuilt and I suggested one for them. With their budget it wasn’t a bad path. Honestly the prebuilt was the better deal by couple hundred dollars, I just couldn’t get close at the time with DIY. My concern was how long the parts would last. It last a little over 6 years, but the specs and their use case could have gone 10 before needing to upgrade because of obsolescence. However when they were looking for a new system this year as their motherboard died, I convinced them to go the DIY route. At the same price point I was able to get better motherboard, power supply and more ram than a OEM prebuilt. My mother even had a lot of fun building the system.

[@user-xf6ox6zx4w]

Did your mom had fun paying for it?

[@natsudragneelthefiredragon]

@@user-xf6ox6zx4w #realquestions

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

I would never get my mother any kind of computer, let alone a DIY build. My mother has literally the worst track record of anyone I've ever met when it comes to computers. For Christmas of 2007 my parents decided to buy computers for my sister, my dad, and I. The PC _I_ got had issues out of the box and had to return it (which happened again with the second PC, go figure). My sister eventually left the house, leaving her PC behind, which I ultimately got and it still works to this day, I just don't use it anymore since it's a piece of crap now, since then I've gone through 3 laptops. My dad's PC lasted over ten years before giving up the ghost, dying due to too much dust, because my dad's lazy. My mother? I believe she's gone through 5 desktops in that same amount of time.

[@eatingcatshit]

parents? I skipped having parents because of all the hassles involved with potentially building them a new system, or having them buy a prebuilt. but without any parents, that isn't something that has ever been an issue for me

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

@@1seb11 My mother has never in her life used a Mac.

[@leoronus9466]

Honestly I think an entire documentary-style video with Seasonic about a component manufacturer's woes over the past two years would be hella interesting

[@kangaroochili]

Yes I'd like to see something like this.

[@igorberezin856]

Not

[@emirsehic1482]

That would not only be highly informative, but intensely interesting! I definitely agree this would be great!

[@plarak7309]

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[@dennydravis8758]

I know it's a little detail, but I really appreciated the conflict of interest statement near 4:00. It's always nice to hear from ltt.

[@plarak7309]

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[@cleffie173]

The thing that Linus couldn't say because of that conflict is that Great Wall PSUs are notoriously terrible and cheap, while Seasonic probably has the best reputation around the PSU market. In case anyone was wondering.

[@vaodinYT]

After watching countless hours of linus videos, I bought a cyberpower last november for about 1000 less than they are asking for the same config now. If you know what parts you are looking for and where they are going to try to short you, every now and then a good deal shows up. It was a long and painful wait for the right deal, but considering I couldn't even buy a 30 series card I was really happy to get it. 1 year later and going strong.

[@yeetwchybaban]

awesome

[@Reac2]

"We uninstalled all the bloatware we could find" Don't bother. Reinstall windows. You never know what they hide in obscure registry entries or whatever else.

[@angolin9352]

Better yet, take this as an opportunity to install the superior operating system. 🐧

[@zeus1141]

@@angolin9352 🙄

[@saknL]

@@angolin9352 Exactly!

[@lucastornado9496]

@@angolin9352 💀

[@erelpc]

@@angolin9352 Which distro?

[@khristopherkomodoensis4734]

"You can't cheap out more than onboard graphics" May I introduce to you, *outdated* onboard graphics

[@milamberarial]

Lets just all agree that it is ALWAYS possible to be worse. Always.

[@elecjack1]

The next step after that is to sell a system with no integrated graphics as a "Bring your own GPU" gaming rig. lol

[@rahulmistry5019]

i feel like you are talking about my intel i5 4200 U integrated graphics

[@shredderorokusaki3013]

o F COURSE NOT. We will wait until we have normal avalaibility og graphics card. My pc is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700 RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB HDD2: 1 TB CASE: AEROCOOL 800 SSD: MP 600 2TB PSU: CM 750M 750 WATT all i need is a RTX 3070TI or better for max settings 1440p 60 fps with ray tracing ain all games but rest of pc is fine and inever buy prebulid pc i upgrade when i want and buy the parts i want.

[@therealb888]

@@milamberarial It always was, ALWAY S!

[@peterjohnson9438]

I see Betteridge's Law of Headlines is still alive and well: "any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

[@prod.dylaancannon]

Comment saved me 15 minutes

[@CalebDaThing]

I'm gonna break this law

[@DuelingDexperts]

I feel like ltt breaks this quite often lol

[@drgnfrc13]

I had completely made up my mind that I was going to buy a prebuilt from NZXT with a ~$3000-$3500 budget, but once I was about halfway through saving up for the purchase, I decided to actually calculate how much it would cost me to build a system myself, and I pretty much came to the same conclusion you did. My build came out to $3680, but I got a MUCH nicer case, better motherboard, better SSD, better PSU, and better overall aesthetics for that price. It was kind of shocking to me that despite paying over $1500 for an RTX 3080, I was still getting a better deal overall.

[@paininnitwr]

It was probably labour cost and warranty cost

[@darthpotwet2668]

Idk man, my friend got a 4060ti when it released since with was on offer down from £1500 to £1000

[@darthpotwet2668]

Idk man, my friend got a 4060ti when it released since with was on offer down from £1500 to £1000

[@darthpotwet2668]

Idk man, my friend got a 4060ti when it released since with was on offer down from £1500 to £1000

[@darthpotwet2668]

Idk man, my friend got a 4060ti when it released since with was on offer down from £1500 to £1000

[@mrkeknite9730]

A few months back I purchased this exact model from Amazon. However, mine came with 2 8gb sticks rated 3200mhz and was only $1,569. I absolutely love the machine but its crazy to think that its going for 2k+ right now and that its also slightly worse as well.

[@deeomayall]

Sadly, these days it seems to be that as soon as the word gets out that something is good value for money, either the price doubles or parts gets swapped to make it as bad as the competition. I would explain it if it were a different industry, perhaps saddled with debt after Covid and in need to recoup losses as quickly as possible, but the tech industry has done just fine until now??? Is it ballooned shipping costs? They need money to hoard chips? Is it just a once-in-a-lifetime occasion to get really greedy (but then why does EVERYONE do it instead of pursuing the clearly nicer business opportunity)?

[@tzuyd]

It's not always down to nebulous business practice, either (though in this case you'd think ASUS have a pretty steady supply). Smaller/independent prebuilders such as the computer store I work for might not always have the bank balance or warehouse to be able to buy mountains of stock at any given point - it's extremely common for us to substitute something like 2 sticks of RAM for 1 stick if that's what we actually have in stock at the time of the build. We've been waiting a week for a delivery of 32GB sticks that were to go in machines that were supposed to be shipped to the customers last week (these particular machines need 4 32GB sticks each - we got in four sticks last week but one of them was DOA so now we had to wait for another four sticks because we couldn't source any more of the same brand). Things are just really touch and go in the supply chain these days.

[@Outofcreatvienames]

Nice.

[@SCHMOBEX]

@@tzuyd the SI i worked at last year substituted things like that by offering tons of absolutely crap computers that would be send back 9/10 times and re-using the parts afterwards while still claiming certain "bonuses" from shops like amazon (and smaller ones) for shipping a certain number of computers each month 100% super scummy business practices, but hey atleast the ceo made a shitload of money

[@starrynight3945]

I am feeling someone punish the "people" who despite / hate indoor gamer kid. Then Much bigger corporate: shame on you now "Being the indoor kid" due to outdoor activities is lesser (at least some degree to protect yourself)

[@nathansnyderart]

I finally bought a gaming pc in February this year. I’d been on Apple products for a decade. I bought a prebuilt HP Omen because it had the best GPU I could get at the time and in my budget. I had major heating issues with the CPU right away and blamed the cooler and extreme lack of fans and airflow. Once I got the nerve to swap out my cooler (after watch many many hours of LTT videos), as I pulled off the stock cooler I noticed my CPU was perfectly clean…because they left the plastic cover on the cooler with preapplied thermal paste. And until that point the plastic had just been melting all over my CPU at 100 degrees C. I’ll never buy a prebuilt again and especially from HP.

[@quarkraven]

Wow! Horrible

[@sovereignshark]

That's horrible, but moral of the story, Watch 15 hours worth of LTT before buying a pc

[@gimubatulo]

>buys from HP You didn't even look up "hp pc is it good" now did you?

[@gimubatulo]

@@sovereignshark you meme but they done "secret customer"

[@360hans]

HP is so bad, i could barely run a facebook game

[@yabre12]

As someone who works for Best Buy and sells this system almost daily, I completely agree with linus that the system is perfectly fine for gaming and the sort. I’ve had a lot of customers come in for it because they don’t want to go through the process of building it for a bunch of reasons, time, necessity ect. The pandemic, for example, put me in a spot that I couldn’t wait to build my system (mine died mid semester during an exam) so I needed something off the shelf to get me through it. I still have the system but I have upgraded it significantly (new gpu, case, ram). All in all whether you’re building or buying, every situation is different and as long as you make the proper research you are able to have a good experience with either machine.

[@Bdot888]

Amen

[@YoutubeChannel-my6sw]

Did you pass your exam tho?

[@vjmtz]

Agreed. It comes down to research and ultimately "is it worth it to you?". At this point of time, much like cell phones, performance and quality are now less of an issue than it was 10yrs ago. Will it beat a super high-end self-built gaming rig? No of course not, but you tend to also get diminishing returns on those high-end systems as well, when you are at least within the range of such systems based on the specs.

[@yabre12]

@@KZbinChannel-my6sw I fucking aced it mate

[@robertt9342]

“Make the proper research” is the hard part for most buyers. Those people rely on sales people to steer them towards quality products.

[@jaccarlson1]

Just bought this exact prebulit with the Ryzen 7 3700X and RTX 3060 for $1,300 on Best Buy! Really wished I could have built my first PC but for the cost and my budget this simply got me what I wanted for cheaper and for less hassle. Thanks for the tear down!

[@luicecifer]

Linus to his staff at a meeting: "Guys, I have JUST the idea for an intro!" *plays with top hat*

[@chrisb103]

I've often seen pre built PCs being sold with graphics cards that are actually less powerful than the integrated graphics on the CPU of the same machine.

[@hawkeyeaerialphotography6652]

Some people fall for it. It is a marketing thing to have a dGPU even if the iGPU is more powerful.

[@rylinyt]

yea ibuypower does that alot even when its a ryzen with the radeon vega but instead they put in a gt 710 so when you search for ones with dedicated graphics it pops up, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT FASTER IS TAKE THE GT710 OUT!

[@rdizzy1]

@@rylinyt You don't need to take it out, just set the integrated graphics as the primary gpu, or just disable the 710. I mean unless you want to bother trying to sell it for 5 dollars.

[@chloespell]

or just dont buy from ibuypower lmao

[@Powderlover1]

I love when they put a $500 cpu with a gt710 which is actually a rebadged gt 310.

[@rafe_3d160]

Me seing the intro: "No i don't want to get into the van for the GPU... but will and action are two different things. Take me with you old man"

[@jacobdaniel5289]

I think it’s cool to see other brands coming out with new tech for people who don’t want to spend an arm and a leg for parts. I built my PC from the ground up just to avoid the inability to scale up on parts and capacity of the pre built pc components.

[@N1k37ick]

I really like seasonic as a sponsor. Good product, and talking points that I feel Linus and the gang have actually experienced

[@TinyMiniStealth]

Liking my 750w gold unit. So trusty

[@plarak7309]

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[@GeneralNickles]

I was legitimately considering this route for a while, but even if I was to sell the parts I don't want for 80% what I paid for them, the up front cost is just more than it's really worth, and you're still losing that 20% on the sold parts, and that makes up most of the benefit of having gone this route in the first place.

[@kennydonofrio]

still do it and use them until they die. what parts are you concerned about, power supply?

[@GeneralNickles]

@@kennydonofrio nothing. I just don't need them. I have no use for it. I have everything I need except a GPU.

[@kennydonofrio]

@@GeneralNickles what about someone that needs the computer itself? spouse or something, kid?

[@GeneralNickles]

@@kennydonofrio I have neither of those. And even if did, I'm not gonna spend $2000+ on a PC and give away most of it when I could pay $1200 for the graphics and not waste the other $800+

[@5thwiseman]

You need to factor in the time, effort and cost (shipping + seller fees) of selling the unwanted parts. The time you used to list, sell and ship your components would eat into your gaming time. Prices fluctuate so you may gain/lose a few bucks, but lost time can't be regained.

[@lsksniper1936]

I bought a prebuilt in 2018 and was extremely happy with it I have only done upgrades to my gpu and storage and that has been enough for me over the past 3 almost 4 years. At that time it was a good deal and well worth it I wouldn't touch any of that now seeing what's going on especially since my friends and I have all managed to get our hands on GPU's at msrp during launch.

[@bobspalding2477]

Same here. Still using mine stock, love it. dreading when i have to get a new one.

[@BenHeckHacks]

Nice Daniel Plainview costume. "I'm a GPU man you see..."

[@davetremaine9763]

Hey, what happened to your son, H. W.?

[@jasonkeenan4154]

I drink your milkshake!

[@EGOS42]

"...I have numerous concerns spread across this Micro Center. I have many data pipelines flowing at many thousand gigabytes per second. And as a GPU man I hope that you'll forgive just good old-fashioned plain spanking of frametimes."

[@Velourium]

I take your GPU

[@dev0range]

DRAAAAAAINAAAAAAAAGE

[@sshum00]

One of the few times that I'm actually shocked by a conclusion from LTT. I've been parroting that people should just get an SI rig instead of building their own because of scalpers, but it doesn't seem to be much different at this point.

[@Jehty_]

At least with a pre-built you get warranty. I don't think scalpers offer that :)

[@empath69]

All things being equal at this point; people who are NOT confident building their own would probably be fine with a SI prebuilt, so it's still not always bad advice.

[@plarak7309]

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[@Elite3665]

It depends on the SI you go with.. I got a much better prebuilt from ABS with basically better parts (except for the CPU, 10700KF instead of a 5800x) all around for $1800 compared to this $2200 system. This one is a complete rip off for what you’re getting, it should include a 3080 for that price or at the very least the parts that LTT switched in.

[@Averagedude-mi3fl]

Or what I’ve seen is where people buy these for the card, swap in say a gt 730, then resell the system to someone else.

[@christopherlinfors2607]

My first PC was a prebuilt. It was a solid little starter computer perfect for what I needed to do, and I was happy with it. A year or two ago I built my current computer, and I love it a whole lot more. Prebuilt is definitely the way to go for a first PC, but for someone with more experience, and better technological know how, build your own, it’s fun, and you know exactly what you’re getting.

[@jebroz4810]

build my own limited budget PC with i3 10105F for office work but not for gaming, then I realize it's F version intel which is has no graphic compatibility. so I end up buying GPU to run it.

[@nendymion]

I used to buy prebuilt PCs when I was younger. I stopped doing that when I installed a graphics card that borked the airflow inside the case to the point where the system kept shutting down do to overheating. After that incident I expressly built my own PCs to match my needs and always ensure I wasn't going to overheat the system because I decided to upgrade a component.

[@camlag4598]

i’m glad i got a really nice msi prebuilt with a nice case right before the gpu shortage and i’ve been upgrading and adding new stuff to the case i’m very happy 2070super i7 10700k 16gb ddr5 ram 1tb ssd 2tb hdd i know soon the graphics card and cpu won’t be enough for some triple a games but it games at 240fps and when i was using,1440p monitor i got 144fps and with the 4k monitor only 60

[@jebroz4810]

@@camlag4598 2070 super is beast. all RTX still the best card right now and many years later.

[@N3X0H]

funnily enough, the market did change and now there's GPU's everywhere, oh the irony

[@ClellBiggs]

I bought an ABS PC from Newegg after GN's review and couldn't be happier with it so far. I got a 5900x, 3080, and 32GB of 3600MHz RAM for $3100. No cheap parts in the build either. Everything was good name brand stuff you'd actually buy if you were building a system yourself. Considering a 3080 costs around half of what I paid for the entire PC it was a great deal.

[@Monkeystompn]

Back in June of this year, I bought an ABS system also. Got a 3070, 10700KF, 16gb ram, etc. It was all good OEM parts too. I paid $1699 for mine before tax. I already have a 5800x system, so I replaced the 3070 with my old 1070 and my 10 year old got a pretty sweet birthday gift this year. But point being that those ABS systems are pretty decent really. The case on the one I got was a fairly cheap Gamdias case. Which is probably the only thing I outright didn't like about it. The nvme drive was a team group cardea, which was a bit slower than I would have bought if I was picking everything myself. But considering a lot of SI's cheap out on stuff like that as we saw in this video. I thought the few points they skimped on were relatively minor, especially for the price I paid. I couldn't be happier with the system.

[@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude]

I built that same pc but with a 5950x and 6900xt with 128GB ram for less then 1,200

[@ClellBiggs]

@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude How?

[@kirasenpaiamv]

@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude how?

[@aqueous5099]

@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude This man is living in la la land. Holy fuck, gimme the drugs that drifted your wallet to another reality lmao😂

[@lomna17]

1:58 Ah yes the 11400F with onboard graphics, my favorite

[@DeadpoolPlayz]

@ no it comes with intel hd 4000

[@mrducky179]

on that topic, dont you just love seeing prebuilt companies selling pcs with a 10400f and a gt 710 just so they can flex the fact that they have a dedicated gpu even though the uhd 630 on a 10400 is 5x better than the gt 710

[@justinlee8328]

LOL

[@ltgplays1040]

@@milanlouis________4546 yeah.. no

[@DeadpoolPlayz]

@@mrducky179 10400f doesnt have igpu

[@Packrat313]

I really appreciate the breakdown of this process. Thank you for that. I’m regards to the SeaSonic sponsorship, I’ve always liked them and have used their products often in my builds. I also enjoy watching your opinions for the candid and eye-opening analysis of these different items. The problem comes down to when you aren’t able to give an opinion because of a confliction with a sponsorship contract.

[@nunyabeeswax3012]

Just make sure you don't use low-end seasonic. Seriously, the S12III is worse than a few group regulated units.

[@ocow5735]

@@nunyabeeswax3012 fr

[@plarak7309]

*(✧Full HD✧)Content over 18 years old❤️* ⤵️🔻-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------💜 👉 aishite.tokyo/kichi?AVScam-shake*body KZbin: これは大丈夫です 誰か: 「ヘック」と言う KZbin: なくなって #しかし #わたし #私は愛する #そのような #漁師 #面白い #楽しい #若い女性 #面白い #垃圾 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone Gaze: "Amazed" Lips: "Sensual" Smile: "Sweeter" Body: "Colder" Жизнь, как красивая мелодия, только песни перепутались. #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #垃圾#однако#я#люблю#таких#рыбаков #Интересно#забавно#девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@TheEpicGameJunky]

@@nunyabeeswax3012 see ive never had an issue with mine on my old pc i has a 8-9 yo s12lll bronze been abused and its still fine maybe im missing somthing or its a more recent issue?

[@rev_dude]

Im not following your logic. He didnt give an opinion to AVOID a potential conflict of interest. If he said the GreatWall psu was bad(as most prebuilt psus are) then it could be seen as seasonic making linus say the competitors unit is bad so theirs looks better.

[@95Sxb]

I bought this exact PC (different GPU) and I have been using it for 6 months already, I have had no problems what so ever with it, I've gotten lucky with it. Thanks for the recommendations! :D

[@seanregna370]

I got a Dell very early on for the exact reason of getting a 3090 GPU few things to note: - PSU and mother board are not only dell manufactured and very incompatible, but they are actually installed in a way that pulling them out of the case is impossible without damaging the components - The case was so small that it literally had no spare room to do any kind of modification If it wasn't so aggravating, its actually kind of impressive how compact they "Tetris" everything in - Similar issue with CPU cooling with the fan being very loud and had no room to change the fan - GPU was a "Modified" 3090 that was significantly smaller and only had 2 fans on it, performance seemed to still be in line with the non modified version - As you probably guessed by this point the GPU was unable to even come close to run at its peak due to over heat issues reaching temperature throttle almost instantly upon doing any kind of difficult activity and needed to be throttled down to 40% TDP just to keep its temp in the 90's I ended up having to buy parts and build my own PC from scratch and scrap everything except the GPU, and that's how I spent $4000 on a RTX 3090 lol

[@packetiv]

dell moment

[@Jamal-ed6ch]

u think i should do the same with the pc i bought? i bought my prebuilt for 1400

[@kevinwhite6176]

My partner wanted a new gaming PC and my first reaction was "let's build it!" After searching, I found an RTX 3070 for 1200 dollars. I also found that an Alienware Aurora R10 with a liquid cooler and an RTX 3070 was 1800 dollars at microcenter. Guess which one I bought? No idea how truly junky the Alienware is - it seems the most major problem it might have is that I should repaste the CPU as they use a Deen of paste at the factory. Otherwise... it games! And I didn't feel ripped off like I would buying a video card at that price when the price of it was originally something like a third of the price.

[@BenzTranNguyen]

I got the alienware aurora 3700x 3080 for $2000 CAD and it works fine for gaming

[@kennydonofrio]

exactly - the market has changed. do not be picky with over priced parts. Linus i have to disagree.

[@daegantierney7043]

@@BenzTranNguyen have u seen the inside of some of they exensinve ass aurora systems with shitty dell cpu coolers there a scam

[@readingredditder8932]

Linus it’s snowmachine you’re literally from Canada. you should know this it’s SNOW FUCKING machine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tylerl.gibson268]

it ain't just GPU's now. I'm trying to replace my dead motherboard, an MSI Z170I Pro Gaming AC. I'm finding REFURBISHED boards for like $275 USD and "new" for $400 & up! These things were roughly $200 brand new 6 YEARS ago! #smh

[@Nazstyle12]

Been using a seasonic PSU for the last 6 years, never had an issue. Love to see them sponsoring these :3

[@t01]

paid actor

[@darthwiizius]

Using my Corsair PSU for 8 years now, 4 builds(so far hehe), wonder if the warranty's expired?

[@Luiko0406]

been using an aresgame psu for 6 hours never had an issue tomorrow we'll never know....

[@alg3n320]

been using a corsair one for almost 5 years, died this summer but got a new one by warranty

[@HudsonGTV]

I mean most PSUs tend to last over a decade as long as they are not complete piles of garbage. I have XT era (1980s) PSUs that work fine.

[@TheOomiGang]

Who's watching this today and thanking GPU manufacturers for their 40 series gpus and cheaper 30 series

[@xifanpubgm]

I got this rig for nearly a year now😅, added another stick of ram, swapped the CPU cooler and case exhaust fan for a quieter experience. I'm thinking of changing the motherboard next. Kinda worried because I'm a PC noob🤡

[@rileybankswho]

You changed/ upgraded all those parts yourself but you're calling yourself a noob? I'm confusss

[@arush.27]

lol nice

[@arush.27]

@@rileybankswho its pretty ez but opening but its pretty scary especially when ur new to change anything

[@TheProGamerMC20]

@Merly Rosé 🍑🍒 no, thank you

[@weegle.]

@@arush.27 they were complementing them

[@sereth7582]

The bit about buying the PC was honestly great. I would love to see more of that.

[@plarak7309]

*(✧Full HD✧)Content over 18 years old❤️* ⤵️🔻-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------💜 👉 aishite.tokyo/kichi?AVScam-shake*body KZbin: これは大丈夫です 誰か: 「ヘック」と言う KZbin: なくなって #しかし #わたし #私は愛する #そのような #漁師 #面白い #楽しい #若い女性 #面白い #垃圾 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone Gaze: "Amazed" Lips: "Sensual" Smile: "Sweeter" Body: "Colder" Жизнь, как красивая мелодия, только песни перепутались. #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #垃圾#однако#я#люблю#таких#рыбаков #Интересно#забавно#девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@AdityaVardhanSharma18]

@@plarak7309 pp

[@kostyaslobodyanyuk9260]

What about a video of putting a used/broken gaming laptop into a PC case! Seeing if you can increase performance if you upgrade the cooling parts? I would like to see that.

[@plarak7309]

*(✧Full HD✧)Content over 18 years old❤️* ⤵️🔻-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------💜 👉 aishite.tokyo/kichi?AVScam-shake*body KZbin: これは大丈夫です 誰か: 「ヘック」と言う KZbin: なくなって #しかし #わたし #私は愛する #そのような #漁師 #面白い #楽しい #若い女性 #面白い #垃圾 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone Gaze: "Amazed" Lips: "Sensual" Smile: "Sweeter" Body: "Colder" Жизнь, как красивая мелодия, только песни перепутались. #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #垃圾#однако#я#люблю#таких#рыбаков #Интересно#забавно#девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@NightlyFever6]

@@plarak7309 literally says scam in the link lmaooo

[@houchman]

@@NightlyFever6 your not meant to see that lols

[@CliffordChang-v8c]

@@NightlyFever6 i love how it tells you what kind of scam it is too. XD

[@harryshuman9637]

I second that, I want them to cram a desktop CPU cooler onto a laptop mobo. I'm actually trying to design and CNC the copper frame for that myself, and hopefully solve the heat issue on my laptop. Then I can upgrade the CPU on it.

[@doublecontralto818]

"It's either Seasonic or it isn't - and if it isn't, then it isn't going in my rig...." this has been my attitude ever since I seriously got back into the PCMR community a few years back, and my Focus + Gold 850 is still going strong after multiple platform, CPU, and GPU upgrades. You don't need to convince me, but still really glad to see LMG and Seasonic teaming up!

[@Raijin24226]

I just bought a prebuilt over two weeks ago, and yeah, you really do get what you pay for on a prebuilt. The main reason I went for my current PC is because of the upgrade path. Most of these prebuilts have good upgrade path on them, which means spending more on what you initially intended to on building a system part by part.

[@WalleyeGuy4]

I literally bought a prebuilt because all my parts needed an upgrade and doing so would be mega expensive standalone. I would have had to spend 2k US for equal parts, but instead I was able to only have to do 1.4k. I am very pleased with it. The only complaint was a crappy CPU cooler tower, the fan was good though.

[@goodman854]

yeah I dunno what the hell he's talking about. With the current market getting a 3090 cost $3000. A prebuilt with a 3090 is the same fucking price. So I dunno where he found his prices.

[@WalleyeGuy4]

@@goodman854 100%, All it takes is some research and looking for a sale/deal.

[@SnapRasta]

@@goodman854 I bought a pre-built with a 3080ti, 32 gb of ram, Intel i9, 2tb of SSD and liquid cooling for $4,500 🤷‍♂️

[@jovanrajkovic8834]

i literally have the same computer with two stics an i paid it only 1.4 k its awesome. it has a ryzen 5800x and a 3070 and my cpy easly boosts to 4.8 gh and temps on the cpu are 80 while boosting

[@SnapRasta]

@@jovanrajkovic8834 the difference is you have a ryzen 🤣

[@Bushidounohana]

Great perspective on this, thank you! Have long been thinking about a pre-built as an option in these precarious GPU times, interesting to see the truth about best value propositions. While each individual’s mileage will vary, this is a great reminder to do some homework before presuming.

[@plarak7309]

*(✧Full HD✧)Content over 18 years old❤️* ⤵️🔻-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------💜 👉 aishite.tokyo/kichi?AVScam-shake*body KZbin: これは大丈夫です 誰か: 「ヘック」と言う KZbin: なくなって #しかし #わたし #私は愛する #そのような #漁師 #面白い #楽しい #若い女性 #面白い #垃圾 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone Gaze: "Amazed" Lips: "Sensual" Smile: "Sweeter" Body: "Colder" Жизнь, как красивая мелодия, только песни перепутались. #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #垃圾#однако#я#люблю#таких#рыбаков #Интересно#забавно#девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@micro2877]

i have a pre built, Geforce RTX 3070, 32 GB RAM, 11th gen intel core i7, 512gb NVME ssd with 1 TB storage. i love it

[@HoeplessAlexis]

How much did that cost? I’ve been seeing prebuilts these days with intel core i5, 16gb ram 128ssd 1tb hdd rtx 2060 for like 2500$ + They’re ripping people off , hope you got a good deal! Sounds like a nice machine ☺️

[@romanfilzbiber685]

"We're not done putting lipstick on this pig." had me laughing so hard. :D

[@ThePiggiestOne]

That was hilarious

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

I want to like, but it's at 69 already. Nice.

[@plarak7309]

*(✧Full HD✧)Content over 18 years old❤️* ⤵️🔻-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------💜 👉 aishite.tokyo/kichi?AVScam-shake*body KZbin: これは大丈夫です 誰か: 「ヘック」と言う KZbin: なくなって #しかし #わたし #私は愛する #そのような #漁師 #面白い #楽しい #若い女性 #面白い #垃圾 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone Gaze: "Amazed" Lips: "Sensual" Smile: "Sweeter" Body: "Colder" Жизнь, как красивая мелодия, только песни перепутались. #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #垃圾#однако#я#люблю#таких#рыбаков #Интересно#забавно#девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@handlemonium]

Love the MC persona you're rocking there, Linus. Especially right after "PC or NO PC" 😂

[@AlexJoneses]

right as the market was breaking down I bought one of these prebuilts on amazon with the intention of just replacing most of the parts. A month or two later, if I were to sell my GPU I could've easily made my money back and then some (and the computer was still available to buy), but as it turned out, I liked the prebuilt a lot, and all I did was just add in more ssds and I'm still using it. I've built many computers before and I know what's what, but frankly, in this economy, prebuilts are kinda a godsend

[@NebulaAviation1]

Yeah, 4 years ago I just bought a prebuilt, and regret it. It was $1000, and i could've gotten a really nice pc for that price, but i didn't want to do a diy cause i didn't know about it then, so i settled for whatever looked the coolest in best buy and ended up with a more midrange build.

[@dhkatz_]

@@NebulaAviation1 4 years ago is completely different from the situation now. A good prebuilt deal is going to be about the same price as if you tried to build the system yourself because of how ridiculous GPU prices are.

[@NebulaAviation1]

@@dhkatz_ yeah, but I'm talking about if i custom built then. If i did s diy build, I'd have been able to get some better parts.

[@MyName-td3sz]

I just bought an OMEN prebuilt PC around 3 days ago and i'm really happy with it, it has an RTX 3080 and an i7 11 gen. which is a HUGE upgrade from my old self built 1050 Ti PC, i got it for 2200 € and i tried out the same build on pc part picker and it was for 2600 € without the shipping and having to order each part from a different site plus the time and effort it will take to assemble all of it, that's why i ended up deciding to get a prebuilt and it arrived in 2 days in perfect condition, i'm so happy with it and i can't wait for my new monitor and gear to arrive.

[@PokerKing1993]

Glad I was patient for my 3080. Seeing 3070's at more than I payed for my 3080 is insane.

[@ocudagledam]

3:49 "... and the rig is powered by a Great Wall C700 80+ Bronze power supply. Now, this video is sponsored by Seasonic, so we're not going to create an obvious conflict of interest by evaluating this beauty in any way..." 8:05 *dumps the Great Wall in the trash*

[@t.j.sambola2185]

That's probably where it belongs

[@sketchy0078]

I brought a prebuilt years ago back when Athlon 64 was a thing. I had to upgrade pretty much everything over the couple of years I owned it due to either failing components or excessive heat. It was the last prebuilt I ever purchased.

[@feuerfaustace1able]

These days there are some good pre builts around, but with all things that are comfortable, you have to search a lot. I bought a pre built last in November ( Black Friday ) and im pretty happy with it. Some tweaks here and there in UEFI and Afterburner and that´s that. Usually this works best when you have control over each component, so i think it was kind of a pre built. On the other way I agree with you. Pre Builts where you have no power of change are kind of bad 99 % of the time. Maybe worth a try if you search for plain office desktops.

[@beermarket9971]

The production quality on the intro is so amazing with natural looking props very charismatic speech and mind blowing special effects, i thought it directed by J J Abrams. You cannot see the difference!

[@demofighter]

Happy to see seasonic as a sponsor ever, also nice to see SIs getting called out a little.

[@JTCF]

4:05 Wow didn't expect to see Avito here... It's kind of a huge meme in Russia, where you can get everything and very cheap, even with good quality* *quality is not assured

[@mcstabb1980]

So it's russian "Wish"? :D

[@MrSnakeGGG]

Fun fact: Avito is local Russian craigslist founded by two Sweden fellas.

[@plarak7309]

*(✧Full HD✧)Content over 18 years old❤️* ⤵️🔻-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------💜 👉 aishite.tokyo/kichi?AVScam-shake*body KZbin: これは大丈夫です 誰か: 「ヘック」と言う KZbin: なくなって #しかし #わたし #私は愛する #そのような #漁師 #面白い #楽しい #若い女性 #面白い #垃圾 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone Gaze: "Amazed" Lips: "Sensual" Smile: "Sweeter" Body: "Colder" Жизнь, как красивая мелодия, только песни перепутались. #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #垃圾#однако#я#люблю#таких#рыбаков #Интересно#забавно#девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@JTCF]

@@mcstabb1980 Nah, Russian "Wish" would be Aliexpress, but it's chinese. But same vibe and popularity. And yeah, avito is closer to ebay, because people can freely put things on sale.

[@rossmperkins]

I snagged the more powerful version of this setup a month ago from Best Buy for $1,400 US (current regular price of $2,200 US). Model: GT15CF-I73080VR Tuf RTX 3080 10GB + i7-12700KF I spent another ~$400 US on a 2 TB Samsung NVME SSD (for 4.5 TB total storage), 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3600 Ram (16 gb x 4), and a couple more fans. This is my first gaming desktop & it’s been a beast for gaming, editing & rendering. Ran great for VR Sim Racing, as well. I already had a 32” 4k monitor & a 34” 1440p 144hz ultrawide. For around $1,800 US total with the upgrades I installed, I personally feel that I got a good deal. For my current needs, this will be a solid starting point to learn & expand upon. The model I have seems to have some higher quality base components in it - since it had OEM “features” missing from the one in the video, which makes sense since it’s a more expensive SKU. That said, I despise the case & will eventually upgrade to something more sleek. This sale derailed my plans to build a computer myself. Since I greatly enjoy modifying and building things (vehicles especially), I ended up basically disassembling the computer and reassembling just so I could better understand the inner workings of it. While there are some less than ideal aspects of the computer from the factory, I highly enjoy being able to identify those shortcomings & figuring out ways to overcome them (in a reliable yet affordable manner when possible). The two most expensive parts of a computer (GPU + CPU) SHOULD be powerful enough for me for some years to come. Plus, I wanted to somewhat put to use the plethora of knowledge that I’ve learned from this channel over the last 8 months of binge watching every new video, years of back catalog, and Floatplane Exclusives. The way everyone covers their topic is not only entertaining, but informative in a way that makes it easy for me to retain the information.❤ ( I don’t need a server rack in my life, but I sure do want to know everything about them- because, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

[@Nyeoom]

6:57 Linus will always be a true gamer, his gamer heart wanted to say crosshair so bad that it automatically adjusted his speech for the fastest possible route

[@matthewclark4510]

Omg so technical he still trash at any review because he makes his own technology and he doesn’t and wont ever have a honest opinion

[@matthewclark4510]

And he doesn’t have a heart he actually is mean ash if nothing is going his way.

[@skykingtenz1232]

@@matthewclark4510 ??

[@Nyeoom]

@@matthewclark4510 all your comments on your channel are just you putting people down for no listed reason or evidence. Counciling helped me and it can help you too.

[@AmnzeroUK]

Seems to me he was going to say Crossfire, as in ATi's old multi GPU thing. Still, good catch though :)

[@Mgsgenesis]

When i first started getting into Pc gaming and content creating, i opted to get a prebuilt, that was about 3 years ago, this Christmas just stripped it all down, got a new case, all corsair ram and fans and built a new pc. was worth it.

[@oldtaco2449]

I bought a laptop because it was the only legitimate way for me to get anything RTX, and it's still the best thing I've ever used.

[@HyBlock]

same here, bought a 3070 laptop and it made me wanna ditch PC altogether with how good they've gotten

[@damonskill]

I am also thinking of going this route as well but I am sceptical. Do you have any regrets at all with going the laptop route?

[@lewisyork3841]

@@damonskill laptops can be great gaming rigs, the only problem that comes with buying them is future upgrading. It's all down to your space, money and how desperate you are to keep using the best of the best

[@someoneontheinternet13]

Same got a 3060 laptop it is extremely close to a desktop 3060 in performance

[@nikkolaus]

I love that SeaSonic is a sponsor for one of the better channels on this site. Y'all keep up the great work.

[@philtkaswahl2124]

Video: "Or you can do something about it." Me: *grabs pitchforks, torches, and shotguns to form a posse to hunt down the nearest scalper* Video: *Suggests buying a prebuilt PC with a GPU* Me: Aww.

[@ukasa1]

I would still grab pitchforks, torches, and shotguns to form a posse to hunt down the nearest scalper

[@danielduncan6806]

No, no. You aren't wrong. Violence is, in fact, a perfectly viable solution. Violence is always an option, to not ever consider violence is to limit your options. You should never limit your options.

[@Zorro9129]

@@danielduncan6806 Scalping is not violence, and so violence is not a solution here.

[@willblack7353]

@@Zorro9129 "but muh grapix card!"

[@willblack7353]

@@Justakatto Are the scalpers in the room with us?

[@ChrisMCC]

The prebuilt I bought was $1700 USD it had a zotac OC 3070 a i7 10700k 32 gigs of duel channel ram 1 tb intel 660p with a massive dram cache a 750 watt gold psu and a 240 mil aio and 3 front fans 1 back ran and 2 fans on the top for the AIO

[@xelp435]

Rip

[@deusexaethera]

You just made me realize that the "GPU shortage" is the windfall PC builders have been dreaming of for decades. PC builders HATE modularity and interchangeability, but they don't have a big enough market share to break free from the open standards used by PC components. But if they can start dominating the market due to "shortages" of standalone components, they can finally break those open standards and lock consumers into buying prebuilt PCs. What the hell are we going to do about that?

[@Zorro9129]

Can you solve the nationwide microprocessor shortage?

[@AeranoZ]

The only thing consumers can do is to just not buy the product. Sadly, the vast majority of people aren't interested or confident enough to build their own PC's, so a few enthusiasts staying away from a product they were gonna stay away from in the first place will... You guessed it - change absolutely nothing.

[@mastakey4244]

I just bought a prebuilt computer. I’m outside the US (and Canada) so trying to get individual parts outside is a pain, especially with the current shipping crisis. Plus, I do not know much about building a PC so I figured I’d get a good prebuilt and upgrade and repair as needed, instead of learning everything at once.

[@Arsonist42]

I love seasonic, they don't do nearly enough to set themselves apart, spending more on a psu doesn't increase performance but it influences so many aspects of reliability, it's the core of a system and should never be cheaped out on.

[@mahart40]

Ya my prebuilt came with a power supply that didnt list wattage or even have a brand name on it

[@Arsonist42]

@@mahart40 buy yourself a nice seasonic and enjoy it for over a decade, they even make for excellent power supplies for all sort of projects (not that you can't find regular cheap ones for that, save the seasonic one for a computer

[@jeckjeck6943]

Seasonic, the best power supply brand i ever see in the past twenty years of my pc builder life. ^^ Worth every penny.

[@sullicoe63]

I bought a prebuilt in 2016 and the first time I upgraded it was about 2 days ago. It was starting to show its years, but this was the best decision I made accidentally! I got insanely lucky with the quality of my prebuilt, so I would be willing to buy another one if something happens to my current one

[@napuseni-jazavac]

Whick one did you buy

[@sullicoe63]

It's too long ago to see the actual order listing, but it was an IBuyPower pre-built. It had a Gigabyte RX 480 8gb in it and an i5 7400.

[@hudsonperkins2034]

On day of release, I was able to get a 6600xt at micro center for msrp. Literally everybody at micro center was walking out with one

[@markjohnson8602]

Micro center is the bomb..

[@Rspsand07]

Cheapest 6600 xt at retailers here is exactly between the price gap of the 6700 xt and 6800 on amd direct.

[@DesertCookie]

This shortage has me completely confused. My favorite German retailer, which, usually, is about 5% cheaper than anyone else is selling RTX 3060s for upwards of 800€. On eBay on the other hand, I can find unopened RTX 3060s with basically the full two years of warranty for around 500€ - and lots of them. Still a markup over MSRP, but not nearly as much as the retailers are putting on their cards.

[@MrVlodato]

really? the cheapest unopened ones on US ebay are around $700 US.

[@la24dogg21]

@@MrVlodato of whitch ones ( the 30--. Series cards ?!? I want to upgrade but all the 20--s to 30-- series cards are like 1000 or more $

[@danny2717]

I couldn’t find a 3080 for a reasonable price (below € 1000). The 3080s from retail go for 1350-1500 euros. Instead, I bought a 3080 ti for 1400 from someone new (only 200 above MSRP). It’s not ideal because I spent a lot more than I initially wanted, but I’d rather have a 3080 ti new from someone for € 1400 than a 3080 for 200% MSRP.

[@DesertCookie]

@@MrVlodato As of right now, there's about 80 listings ranging from defect or nearly out of warranty 3060s for as low as 300€ to reasonably priced cards (up to 600€).

[@MrMaramba]

my 980ti probably died yesterday after good 6 years it doesn't power up or anything its dead and I have saved 900 euros for a gpu upgrade but after going to caseking de were i usually buy pc components and saw 3060 for 800 i though to myself just save up a little more and buy a prebuilt that they have for 1299th euros but I will see I sti have to take to a technician to see if its fixable

[@TheRenalicious]

Last year I ended up going with a laptop, specifically a lower end HP Pavilion Gaming 15, which has a Ryzen 4800H and GTX 1650. I threw in 32GB of ram and an 2.5" SSD, and it's a perfectly adequate 1080p gaming machine that I also use as a workstation.

[@ragetobe]

The problem with that is….from personal experience it just doesn’t last that long and the resale value of laptops is awful. 1650 these days won’t service most games that are on their way and in a laptop the heat will be stupid, this isn’t news to anyone as anyone who has purchased a gaming laptop in the past will have experienced this.

[@hemangsaini610]

bruh i hardly even get 60 fps on everything bare minimum in warzone so idk.. not a big gaming satisfaction but it is quite light and looks nice.

[@003thezg3]

Just got my Asus Tuf Dash F15 for $900 with 2 years waranty and I could not be happier. GPU's price is insane right now.

[@vanshitshivani4176]

@@ragetobe it depends if u take a high end laptop, the resale value is pretty reasonable and if u take good care of it high end gaming laptops can last from 4-5 years pretty easily....

[@hemangsaini610]

@@003thezg3 enjoy bro.. i live in india. a 3070 costs more than 2000 dollars here. we live so close to china and taiwan but still we face bad msrp since all the retailers are fucking enjoying the time of their of lives when they earn 100+ dollar of profit on every single card no matter which card...

[@coryconley7598]

I purchased a power spec pre-built from micro enter and honestly was so happy with the build.. it had almost very component I was going to put in it and upgraded a few of the other pieces I wanted. Well worth the money

[@anumeon]

I feel the ghost of Steve from GM hovering over this video before i even watch it.. :D

[@Tyranidus7]

I got an Omen HP prebuilt. Got it in 2019 before the madness and I have loved it. It is no rip roaring machine with a 1660 Ti but I have loved it. It runs all my games and lets me film edit.

[@darthwiizius]

HP were actually doing reasonable prices through last year I noticed. Saw a few reviews of HP machines and with 1650S cards, 1660/S/Tis. BTW the 1660ti is still a decent card, I use a 2060S and the 1660ti is pretty close to that just minus RT and Tensor stuff which really doesn't get much use yet anyway. I only bought my card last year because I saw the writing on the wall so bought just before the craziness started.

[@Rspsand07]

@@darthwiizius RT is useless even on my 3080 rig, but the 2060 is the card that would benefit the most from DLSS.

[@saifaddeenal-manaseer6325]

1660ti is a decent card, at least you can play all new games. Some people, including me, can't even run games released in the past two-three years

[@CertifiedSunset]

The Great Wall PSU's are actually decent for the price(I would still upgrade to a brand you are more familiar with), I'm sure you can guess by their name that they are a Chinese brand, and they are mainly sold in China. I doubt you would run into any problems other than a loud fan, but I would get something better if it was my personal rig.

[@tim3878]

I bought a 3070 pre-built at the height of the shortage (mainly because I couldn’t find a GPU for love nor money) and 6 months down the line, the same pre-built machine is $500-$600 more than what I paid. Was glad I jumped on a bargain when I spotted it. Have upgraded some of the cheaper parts they included, SSD and added an M.2 and its now a really good system.

[@grahamdoudy526]

The only counterargument I can think of is that if you are buying a pre-built PC with the graphics card you want you have the piece of mind that you will actually get it versus having to trust the scalper on ebay that they won't screw you over.

[@brandon8384]

And unless you already bought one you will probably get a good cpu as well like the 5800x featured in this video

[@ETHANR26]

happy with the prebuilt i got as an introduction computer that i can either upgrade or migrate parts from later, but now i think building yourself is a much better idea if you know what kinds of parts you want

[@BennaDryll]

3months late but honestly… With the current GPU situation i’m going to say no. I built my rig and had everything installed except no GPU. I lost sleep, sanity and everything inbetween trying to get my hands on a good GPU. I caught a break and found a decently priced 3060. Time is money, I wasted 7 months of my life on a machine. If you could go out and buy a GPU at MSRP right now I would say yes build your own but right now no. You can upgrade and swap components with your prebuilt easily.

[@ETHANR26]

@@BennaDryll there are plenty of 1080s or whatever which will play pretty much anything

[@BennaDryll]

@@ETHANR26 For sure there are plenty of 1080’s that are dated and still heavily marked up due to the GPU shortage. Yeah the 1080’s are affordable at the marked up price but it’s still marked up.

[@ETHANR26]

@@BennaDryll You really don't have a leg to stand on with your argument lol.

[@BennaDryll]

@@ETHANR26 !?! Who would buy an outdated and overly priced piece of equipment.

[@amherstburgerpicker5786]

My son and I bought this exact pc off of best buys floor in our hometown a couple of months ago. We paid 2100$ +tax Canadian for it as it was caught up in the back to school 20% off sale. We are loving the performance of the pc. We did upgrade the ram to 4 sticks of 16gb for a total of 64gb right away. Now we are looking at either a new case or cooler and upgrading the power supply.

[@Jinx-rj7kx]

64 gigs is WAY overkill really

[@phoenixrising4073]

Upgrading the power supply is always a good move. The more overhead you have the longer it will last. I've burned through several cheap power supplies over the years to learn this. You can also modify a case to fit a bigger CPU cooler if you don't mind the hodgepodge look. Normally CPUs don't fail unless you overclock them.

[@B550-o2r]

You don't need to upgrade anything if the performance is good enough, you would be wasting money on diminishing returns

[@ragnvaldborbjorg2643]

un happy i had to change every single part in it

[@AkaenRievkelar]

I bought a prebuild at the beginning of this year. I'm happy with it, made some small upgrades, ram, storage, cooling fans, a bigger and better cooler for the cpu, and moved it all to my own case.

[@JohnADoe-pg1qk]

Then what's a big upgrade for you?

[@AkaenRievkelar]

@@JohnADoe-pg1qk a higher tier cpu or gpu. I only have a Ryzen 5 3600XT and a Radeon 5500XT 4GB

[@birbies]

ok so you replaced the whole thing then lmao

[@mizouse02]

I recall reading somewhere that Corsair at least for their SF series uses rebranded Great Wall PSUs? It also looks like Gamers Nexus did some testing on a Great Wall PSU a few years back as well.

[@RK-zf1jm]

Great wall make power supplies for Corsair and for asus i believe they used to make gigabyte as well plus there own oem brand

[@vearheart42]

Great Wall is one of the better OEM's That model is probably pretty good.

[@notyouraverage5527]

when through the same process as you and determined the system integrators were scalping gpu's as well even as far back as three months ago. got lucky with a used 3060ti at MSRP and called it a day. still looking forward to new gpu releases though. It's amazing i'm still optimistic.

[@Rspsand07]

New factories won't be up by 40 series release, so it'll either be pre-scalped for your convenience, or just as dry. Unfortunately. I got myself a 6900 xt, so I can wait-ish, but if performance gains are as big as claimed/hoped, I'd love the next gen for my 4k lg and monitor. Maybe I can line up like 2 weeks early lol

[@plarak7309]

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[@thehottaco9141]

I bought a cyber power pc for my main use. They didn’t cheap out on anything it’s been running strong for a while now

[@ainsleymorgan4965]

GPUs be like: That Time I Was Installed In A Pre-Built

[@ronlegas8180]

lol

[@demonlordraijuvt821]

I smell a new isekai

[@derpinator6524]

This video inadvertently helped me out a lot I’ve been looking at this prebuilt and trying to judge what I could do to tune it up a little to make it work or if I could find the parts and price it out near the same. thank you!

[@teknoguy2002]

Never once bought a pre-built. I was sure tempted though when the shortage started. Ultimately, I decided my 2080 is still fine for what I play, lol.

[@grantsypants4743]

Yeah I’ve got a 2080s and when I started seeing the cost of the new 30 series I said…..I think I’m just gonna wait this all out no matter how long it takes.

[@umarnadeem5527]

Lol I'm happy rn with a freakin GT 710, I can atleast play minecraft in peace, I'll buy an apu instead

[@grantsypants4743]

@@umarnadeem5527 some of those Apu’s are not bad at all. It’s in our nature to want what we don’t have. Just remember there are people that don’t have pc’s at all!

[@realsilent_]

bought a pre built for $650 on sale (like 900 normally) at the very end of December 2019 (1660 ti, ryzen 5 1600, 8gb of ram, 500gb of ssd and additionally 1tb of hdd, with a unmodular psu and a b450 motherboard) and it carried me through the years until around last year and ive been switching out parts ever since and now i basically have a entirely new pc and i learned so much from replacing every piece to pretty much transferring everything i got into a new case pretty much rebuilding it, it helped me get into the space of pcs and building/replacing things

[@roy3458]

Great breakdown. Lately I've noticed that micro center appears to have their own in-house line of pre builts any chance we could see a review of those in the future they seem very competitively priced.

[@nomadace777]

Micro has everything istg

[@I_am_ENSanity]

I'll be honest, I'm so glad I got an Alienware pre-built during Dell's sale in March. 5800x, liquid cooler, 6800xt, and 1000w power supply for $1977 and free shipping.

[@kevinpope7230]

I have a crazy idea: Valve should sell video cards via Steam. Limit users to one purchase every 6-12 months and only allow accounts over a certain age and with a certain dollar amount of games purchased to participate.

[@SCHMOBEX]

this. we need this.

[@lightblue8818]

@wackoguywatch Sounds like youre a scalper.

[@TheSecretman82]

Except Valve wouldn’t be able to make R.O.I for years on that investment. That’s the hardest part of that. It would help maintain a true supply for Gamers, but from their perspective, that will take years to get back their money on it. And if they bulk-order GPUs and then the model they bought flops? What now? They seed them out so slowly that it’ll take forever to sell them all to the people who don’t want them, but can’t afford anything else. It sounds like a good idea, but it’s a hard one to finance on a for-profit basis. It’s a lot of risk without the ability to have a quick R.O.I.

[@Akab]

@wackoguywatch i actually do... at least better than hardcore capitalism (though both end up with "you will own nothing")

[@Talonzor]

@wackoguywatch Sounds like you dont understand what communism is

[@Eazus32]

I bought a pre-built from Newegg back in 2019 in December. It was an ABS with an Asus tuf "3080". It's my very 1st ever gaming PC. So far the only thing I had to change was the cpu cooler. Went with a cooler master and when I tell you I can run anything and the whole PC runs like a champ does not get warm and quiet as can be. Super happy with it.

[@Eazus32]

Oh and I had bought it for 1800 came with free game and windows 10 already included and free upgrade to windows 11

[@DemetriPanici]

Honestly the time value of getting a prebuilt PC is not that bad

[@jeffreymitchell4904]

I dunno. Half of the fun of PC gaming is building your own rig. I swear I get as much enjoyment out if that first day as I will over the rest of the life of the system.

[@BlastinRope]

@@jeffreymitchell4904 I spend more time overclocking and benchmaking than playing video games. "Nobody plays timespy", except for me.

[@Ze-Germanzuk]

My last 2 PCs have been prebuilt, they didn't really charge much extra and the PC came overclocked with a warranty. I get building them is fun but I don't really care that much and I'd rather have something properly cable managed and overclocked with a solid warranty.

[@PyromancerRift]

If you know what you do it's faster to buy all you need rather than browsing all the prebuild crap to find a gem. It's only good right now because you will have to browse all the unavailable GPU listings to find a scam.

[@Z3t487]

How about no? If you are so desperate to buy at those prices, go ahead, not me.

[@Banner1986]

My dream would be seasonic partnering up with supermicro to make their PSUs for all their SuperO style systems, so I could swap out some of these noisier units!

[@Invertmini1212]

Waited 7 years to build my first PC… Was thinking about a prebuilt for so so long.. Glad i opted for building my own with an I5-12600k and an EVGA 3080 RTX 12g and im so happy i did.. I realized like mentioned in this video of so many things I would have had to upgrade or replace.

[@Razor-gx2dq]

This is exactly how I got my 3060, I just flipped the remaining components afterwards.

[@KB_Buzz]

That is what everyone is doing and has been doing. But the SI's are catching on and are selling their pre built computers at SCALPER GPU prices now too. Pretty fucking sad. Because it was a great way to get a new GPU for MSRP and then just sell off all the rest of the parts to recoup the cost. Good thing you did it before this crap is happening.

[@j.d.8593]

Linus: "Getting a Pre-Built is not such a bad idea!" Steve from Gamers Nexus: "Hold my hair!" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@sheldonkupa9120]

Damn, you are right, gamers nexus and the rants about those ridicilously lousy prebuilts. Could watch whole day, love it.

[@KobeKeats]

I’ll hold his hair, if you get what I mean.

[@Altixis]

@@KobeKeats That's strange

[@plarak7309]

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[@Topside08]

Asus actually hopped on that "Oh wait people are paying out the butt for this stuff" train super early on EVGA whom you seemed to specifically call out for some reason haven't actually raised any of their launch prices last time I checked

[@raadraad]

EGA does do what he described (you'll only find FTW3 top end cards usually), but they didn't raise their prices to scalper levels across the board like the other manufacturers because their products aren't subject to tariffs. And this is only during the shortage. It makes sense, the top end cards have the best cooling, overclocking, etc and represent EVGA better. Might as well push all the chips into those.

[@acel2413]

we just gonna ignore how there was a snow mobile in a place with no snow

[@knghtbrd]

From GN's look at the Walmart PC a couple of years ago, it's likely that GreatWall power supply is NOT e-waste. It's just … only 700 watts, and who knows if that 80+ Gold label is worth the silkscreen. The first things I'd change about that prebuilt are the cooler and case. I wouldn't keep ASUS's janky case.