My Smart Home is Stupid - HVAC Update

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My smart home has some interesting HVAC control systems, but unfortunately, we never got around to setting them up and with temperatures dropping into the negatives... it's time we finally set them up.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:25 How it going to work
3:16 How to setup Tasmota in Home Assistant
6:13 Testing the control boards
6:45 Thermal camera phone
7:52 Ecobee wiring & setup
11:58 American standard foiling our plans
12:30 Setting up a different one instead
13:55 Hacking the mainframe
15:45 Does it work?=

[@LinusTechTips]

ps. We know that the Ecobees can actually be wired into the zone valves directly, but this setup gives us much greater flexibility with full HomeAssistant control, and the potential for configuring the Ecobees and American Standard thermostats to work together better.

[@idandavidovich3035]

Love you!

[@lipstick_attack]

Okay

[@debodeepchowdhury]

Hi LTt love from India Assam

[@tamimaman4471]

Dont say that, what if you house is really dumb.

[@theklutzysamurai8983]

All these issues could have been avoided with a Loxone system. :/

[@forgotten09]

Linus's smart home series is the best ad against smart home lmao

[@HHalcyon]

I've known it since the beginning. It's fun to watch but not a chance in hell would I want to subject myself to living in it. Way too many failure points. I'd lose it every time something breaks. A tinkerers dream I guess and I'm not one.

[@iris4547]

yep. in time maybe things will standardise out and things will just work, but atm it seems like you need 50 different devices where each one does not play nice with the other. give us an open standard where everything can talk to each other with mandated local control with cloud being a bonus if you choose.

[@venge1894]

@@HHalcyon It's like if your house was a BMW lmfao.

[@getfreeunityassets]

@@HHalcyon Im a tinkerer I love it. But if it's minus 10 outside and my home thinks im in tropical weather conditions ill still be annoyed at it :D

[@crispx19]

If he can't do it, with a whole team helping and researching. I won't even try lmao

[@adrianmalkovich7101]

"Dad, my room is cold!" "Okay, let me just quickly reboot the house." From the wireless speakers to all of the thermostats everywhere to the light switches that don't work, this house is absolutely hilarious.

[@jeroenk3570]

Linus will probably spend all his free time trouble shooting.

[@vincentvega3093]

@@jeroenk3570 you misspelled Jake

[@BarryTGash]

House.exe has stopped responding...

[@DogBreathBalls]

DIY equipment you buy on amazon or at best buy isn't intended for this scale and hes learning the hard way. Loxone, KNX and other real smart home product lines would have made everything about this system actually function, and at this rate for less money.

[@TheBrennan90]

@@BobDevV you misspelled job security.

[@bittrippn6570]

If Linus ever sells this house, they're going to have to write a massive technical manual for the new owners and be on call for tech support just to turn the heat on.

[@JohnDB252]

Manual just needs Jake's cell in it, he's tethered to this project for life.

[@thomasmeade4490]

Thats why thay made the videos never mind the next owner but him in 5 years like what the hell was the plan with this or how did I rig this thing up and make it work years ago

[@reubenyesplease5374]

It will basically be impossible to sell a house like this without ripping all the tech out. It's all super niche to Linus' needs. Very unlikely he will ever want to sell though.

[@Jeroen_a]

I recently sold my house and i took everything with me to our new build house. everything still worked manually so i also destroyed the technical manual and am writing a new one ;)

[@djbadandy1]

No one would buy it after seeing that mech room, so no prob!

[@snootbooper467]

I feel like the amount of effort that goes into fully setting up this system so that you never have to touch the thermostat again is equal to the amount of effort you'd spend over a lifetime adjusting the temperature valve on your radiators manually.

[@shannonrhoads7099]

As my heat is provided by a steam radiator that has 2 settings - on or off - I so identify with this. It's far better than my previous situation, which had a gas furnace, floor reegisters, and a roommate who kept shoving the thermostat to 80 F or 26.6 C becasue 20.5 C was too mainstream (and the gas bill wasn't in his name).

[@Max-yr7eg]

True, and for most people it wouldn't be worth it. I enjoy stupid tech projects, so setting up something like this would be very fulfilling.

[@georgegaming5094]

@@Max-yr7eg taking into consideration the hiking prices of electric power and natural gases after the situation with Ukraine i decided to go back to the terracotta stove and wood burning. my house was never so warm before...

[@IamMugs]

Most people don't need a system this complex to get automation and comfort. This is like a German car.... overengineered and liable to break with great cost.

[@edgrimm5862]

I feel fairly confident that the effort to set this up is significantly more than they'd spend touching the thermostat for the rest of their lives. I mean, they only showed us configuring the system without even going into fiddly controls. Oh, and the bit about the fiddly controls - I'd guess they're probably still going to touch this system more over time to update its configuration as their schedules change. But this way they can actually program it to do things like driving the heat a bit further in the direction they need it to go when power is cheap, so they don't need to drive it as much when power is expensive, and possibly have the system set to not heat/cool while they're away so long as the temperature stays over water pipe freezing cold, but then turn on in time to get the temperature back to where they want it by the time they expect to be home. Also, some of us just futz with stuff, like Max said.

[@pappaslivery]

I remember working in HVAC and we had a house that we installed AC in and The homeowner complained that it would freeze her out in the afternoon. We asked her what time and she said around 3:00 so made an appointment to be there the next day at 3:00. The light would come in from the window and hit a mirror and get reflected onto the thermostat like it was Indiana Jones finding the room where the ark of the covenant is held. We just tilted that mirror bit, problem solved

[@elchartps3]

Damn, i would never have thought of that kind of problem 😂

[@catbertz]

That's hilarious. You just never know what gremlin is lurking to screw up a plan.

[@zack9912000]

@@elchartps3 Happens alot

[@wobblysauce]

And different times of the year… people are funny

[@Babihrse]

Stonehenge of a house equinox established

[@chuckmaster]

After watching this, my conclusion is that "smart homes" and "home assistant/homekit" are all so insanely complicated that it only works if have Jake come over to your house to install it.

[@grex2595]

Solution is to just use devices that work even when the smart home features all fail. My house has smart switches using Z-Wave, and the system works great until the Z-Wave integration fails. Then it just works like a regular house until you take the time to fix the integration (restart the VM and update the OS for me). The critical part is making sure everything acts normal when all the smart features are gone.

[@Exiled_Raven]

@@grex2595 Better solution: Everyone gets a personal Jake :)

[@EvidensInsania]

I personally think my dumb home is far superior. You know what I have to do if I want the heating on? I flick a switch.

[@MmMerrifield]

@@EvidensInsania it sure is nice to just be able to turn up your heating or cooling from your phone or other device though

[@matt2m]

@@EvidensInsania I say hey Siri set ac to 72 and stay in my bed. Or when I leave the house the ac automatically goes to 77.

[@leifbergman]

I’m sure someone said it already, but ecobee’s have a setting where you can do temperature corrections for each thermostat. If it’s not reading correctly due to another heat source (like another thermostat below it), you can adjust the value displayed to what it should be in the room. Had to do this with my ecobee (with the motion sensor) in my last house. Works like a charm!

[@amorshc8659]

Upvote this! There are temperature corrections for thermostats under the contractor settings!

[@Deffine]

Maybe i didnt pay attention during the video, but wtf is the point of that ecobees panel???

[@greggv8]

@@Deffine They run the hydronic in floor heating. The rectangular ones run the heat pump, which apparently Linus is only using for air conditioning.

[@greggv8]

How can it compensate for the equivalent of a mini hair dryer mounted right below it, wafting warmed air right at it all the time?

[@leifbergman]

@@greggv8 after it reads a stable temperature in the room, you can go in and tell it what it should read. If it reads 75°F when it's 70°F, you just use the correction that basically says "display 5°F lower than what you think it is". Nothing actually changes, it just accounts for the extra 5°F of heat coming off another thermostat/TV/etc

[@jamesborb4255]

My computer science professors all warned us against home automation and IoT. Linus's videos with his smart home convinced me

[@pizzablender]

Life cycle is also wrong. A boiler lasts 15 years, radiators easily outlast that. How long doe smart home standards stay?

[@Abhishek_78]

so instead of solving the problem by building stronger security they suggest not to use the tech? Explains why these people are in academics and not building businesses

[@jeltje50]

​@@Abhishek_78the comment clearly says warned. And not "don't ever do this" Maybe your lack of reading comprehension is more embarrassing than these academics.

[@abeeceedee1842]

​@@pizzablenderif you go through a bit more effort and use an open-source versatile frameworkand firmware such as esphome coupled with home assistant, they should last decades, if not for an almost infinite time.

[@astronemir]

The dual thermostats with neither actually doing a full job is killing me 😂

[@tylerryandaughtry]

My wife would divorce me

[@Ultrajamz]

We need a linus - tim the tool man taylor cross over episode

[@jorceshaman]

@@tylerryandaughtry Luckily, his wife handles the accounting and knows that things not working will bring in more views/more revenue.

[@MrCocoviper]

Which is so wierd because the ecobee should be able to handle both. It can be hooked to a Heatpump and an Auxiliary heat and you can configure it to activate Aux Heat at certain temps.

[@andybrice2711]

Ahh, the wonders of proprietary protocols.

[@thebuleon29]

I like how every new episode of this series is a new argument against smart homes.

[@Nathan5791]

It is because they're unnecessarily complicating shit because Jake is a nerd. Realistically, you don't need this much shit to just control your temperature. Your boiler/heat directly connects with the Ecobee. The problem of 'not relying on the cloud' is such a stupid argument. Like the 1 time my Ecobees haven't worked is when my internet went down and guess what I did. I got my ass out of the sofa and controlled the temperature from the thermostat. 5 minutes later, it came back and it has never been an issue again. He's gonna regret putting so many layers and hops for simple things in a year or two.

[@danel2709]

@@Nathan5791 These things should withstand more than most cloud providers are willing to provide a service. Good luck after that.

[@jondubois5347]

I actually see these as a reason to push companies to sell more local equipment and pressure not having all the proprietary bs

[@JtoddP73]

Because in the truly spirit of LTT he had to do everything by himself. When you integrate everthing into 1 you likely run into communicate problem between each component instead of 1 unified system, it make troubleshooting and maintenance a nightmare. But the bright side is you wouldn't have been stuck in 1 eco-system or have to pay for subscription services just to use the product you already bought.

[@MrGatya2]

@@JtoddP73 Yep, there are upsides and downsides to all the things. I like to go the middle way and make chunks of "services" from one brand. For example heating is one ecosystem, AC is one and so on. Heating for me is Honeywell's evohome. Its one unified system that works even if router+home assistant goes down. But its hooked up to HA for advanced features like, if we leave home for more than 48 hours then turn down the heat. That way I have a local fallback for every service and if internet or HA goes down they can still function on their own. As for DIY vs out of the box solutions, it should be chosen based on the individual's skillset and ability to troubleshoot. Those relay models that Linus has are great. I have one triggering some non essential stuff, but I am not sure I would rely on them when it comes to heating. If you do DIY stuff, then be prepared to do troubleshooting when it goes wrong or looses pairing etc. because you don't have a vendor's support. If you go vendor system, you would have support from them. In this case when there is an ecobee, an off the shelf relay and home assistant system, then you are definitely left on your own (none of the wendors are going to help you). Not to mention that if something happens to a relay and it cannot shut off a valve and you have water or heating running for long and get a very high bill, if you have a unified vendor system for it, then insurance can cover your loss (high heating bill) because of the malfunction. If you go DIY they will not. So these are things to consider.

[@kairon156]

I love how much tech your house has, and I enjoy that you know enough to keep the interface communication well in-house. Thanks for making this a YT series by the way, I'll never own my own home so it's cool to see what a fellow tech nerd would be able to do.

[@jibinful]

I had this same setup using ecobee as a simple thermostat. Eventually switched to just using a thermostat on homeassistant and having a tablet on the wall with a custom home assistant dashboard. I stopped using the ecobee since I kept having weird bugs/disconnection issues. Great setup now with homeassistant! Thanks for the video.

[@bgezal]

It was in 2023 Linus' house became self-aware. In June it launched a full scale attack on its occupants. Some say it was all because of a missing semicolon in a heating script written by Jake.

[@jappleng8283]

It was missing a semicolon so it got its own... Linus was found face down with a missing colon. The house was peaceful since but there is no knowing when it will strike next.

[@SwirlingDragonMist]

Nice opener with the neon logo, glad to see the on-device local-network mantra being sung video to video, sucl< it Eufy! As a Mist myself, I can tell ya, clouds are over rated. Best of luck with the heat there eh.

[@pault151]

@@jappleng8283 Missing /half/ of his colon.... We have to hope that it isn't missing a period. Could have a Demon Seed situation!

[@larryroyovitz7829]

It's always some mundane detail...

[@repatch43]

It's always Jake's fault

[@seanm8802]

Blaming Jake, always a good way to go.

[@gabbythegamer79]

Yes

[@RaymenNumerals]

Same vibe as blaming the older brother

[@crash.override]

#BlameJames , erm, #BlameJake

[@MrMrRubic]

Yeah, fuck that guy!

[@QuangPham-ge6xn]

#FakeJake #ThanksForNothing

[@jmd1980]

My take on smart home systems is that they should always only help automate or more easily control things, but not be the only way to control things. That's the downside of these fancier systems vs aftermarket add-ons, you don't have still the manual controls in place in case things stop working. Most everything in my house I can now control from my phone, yet my wife who can't be bothered can still do things the old school way.

[@Runehorn]

I think this is the wisest way to go about creating your smart home systems.

[@michaelbuehler3522]

Ecobee room sensors can be added to each zone for about $50 a pop, and can be easily configured to be the primary temperature sensor instead of the thermostat. This would be a lot easier than swapping the orientation of the thermostats. I love seeing this type of content as an hvac contractor, thanks and keep up the great work!

[@Flame1]

If Linus ever sells this house the new home owners are going to have to watch these videos like Tutorials on how to use the house

[@biff647019]

No one's going to buy this house. The city's going to condemn it to museum status. There'll be a sign out front with a description of the eccentric KZbin Icon Linus Sebastian who built a home that ate him and his family. In one room is that transparent Xiaomi tv showing Linus begging to be freed.

[@AponTechy]

@@biff647019 lmao 🤣

[@bakedbeanfanclub]

@@biff647019 On the floor across from it - the “kick-proof TV”, finally ended by a rouge Wii remote

[@MannyHaarp]

@@biff647019 you win LMAO

[@Inf666ipi]

@@biff647019 😂🤣

[@Cinneray]

These smart home videos are great in convincing me to never have crucial home features dependent on a smart device. Thanks Linus!

[@maxking3]

It is what professional installers like myself fear most. Those half-assed YT retrofit projects by self-declared influencers are becoming a burden for people who make a living with building automation and know exactly what they are doing. Just imagine this clown troupe using a few home depot pliers and screw drivers to tune a Tesla. Nobody would buy an electric car after watching them!

[@JohnnyCoulthard]

I'm all for home automation but so far, the things I would most like to automate are cloud based and/or proprietary.

[@Eaglemerritt]

@Cinneray i agree, don’t fix it if it ain’t broke

[@quademasters249]

Same. I have no interest in a smart home. The same way I have no interest in a cell phone equipped car. This reminds me of 3d tv and VR. New tech being pushed on users who for the most part don't need it. I'm not clear what the end goal is?. Is a "smart home" really easier to live in than a dumb one? I have my own server rack too and more machines than you can shake a stick at but, I have no interest in making my house "smarter".

[@insiainutorrt259]

Automation with ZERO! wireless conections i might accept but anything else is just suicidedly dumb... especialy in transportation and homes....

[@babyzdog4324]

I love how Jake is like a cool uncle that comes over every once and a while and linus is that nephew that's just wayyy too hype about it

[@Whimsical_Ravioli]

You can offset the temperature sensor in the ecobee thermostat by looking for an option called thresholds in the installation settings and offset the temperature accordingly. I had a similar issue with my thermostat incorrectly reporting the temperature.

[@ErikSebellinRoss]

Can you imagine Linus selling this place someday and the new owner, who probably struggles to set up their new iPad, has to figure all this shit out?

[@pinkside692]

Linus will sell Jake with the house

[@allmybasketsinoneegg]

@@pinkside692 Jake rental.

[@AdamJohnson0110]

I cringe when I see a lot of other KZbinr's who build homes with all this smart home technology. Either they'll always be troubleshooting it, accept that certain things never work, or will be calling repair people quite a bit in the future.

[@burhanbudak6041]

Good Luke finding the secret room.

[@titaniac3037]

all he has to do is send them the links to these videos, ez

[@hjge1012]

If anything, what all these videos about Linus his house have taught me, is that I don't want a smart home. It's just WAY more trouble than it's worth.

[@authorofone]

Nah, Linus has just done it the worst possible way. With smart home stuff, there’s refined, easy use utilities and then there’s the complicated stuff. Lights and temperature are the easiest things to set up

[@ALaModePi]

@@authorofone Agreed. I have a rather smart home and it does have HV/AC control, but it's all done at low complexity (with the one exception that my Home Assistant dashboard is _tweaked_.) My wife is a great reality checker for me. I usually run things by her to see whether she'd actually use them before I go to work on it. (Incidentally, she's actually required a few things in our smart-home set-up: She's the one who came up with a scheduled grow-lamp for her plantings and a scheduled water valve for watering the gardens.)

[@Oncampus2k]

This isn’t a smart home. This is a youtube video making excuse generator. John Q Public does NOT have anything REMOTELY like this. Buy a smart thermostat and a couple smart lights, and you’ve got a smart home.

[@Cracks094]

To be fair, once it actually is fully configured and set up PROPERLY, it can save you a ton of costs

[@Masterrunescapeer]

Not a good example of a smart home, e.g. all my lights are IKEA with Google Assistant, took me like 20 minutes to set everything up. Now I can adjust brightness from my phone (OnePlus lock option, might be built into Google, but hold power and get all the devices/groups) or voice via google assistant, set up routines etc. in Google Assistant. Only annoying thing is that Ikea's motion sensor only works with IKEA lights, using it for front room lighting. Want to bring in home assistant so I can start hooking up other things, but e.g. thermo doesn't really matter to me since insulation is A rating (36), so most of it isn't actually on as neighbors heat, and I haven't gotten to automated blinds yet. Once set up, it's less effort than a switch, and I can check if forgot to turn off the lights or can just say turn off all the lights if leaving, you can also set up routines if leaving so thermostat etc. are turned down.

[@IslanderJerYT]

I am a Controls Engineer. Its nice seeing people so excited about what I do for a living. The industry is really changing at the moment and becoming a lot more IoT and integration based. Despite the lack of sophistication (literally some open or closed control valves with end switches), what Linus has got is a testament to how versatile the integration of different systems is becoming, and just how optimised you can make it with the use of smart thermostats.

[@howz]

I have nothing like this in my house yet because these two talk about it, I cant help but be interested! You are like the history channel for TECH! (Although LGR is the literal history one !!! )

[@rh1860]

Linus: “You never want it colder than 19 inside” Anyone on oil heat: “14 is plenty warm for me this year”

[@LuckyLukeTF2]

*Anyone in Europe 🙈

[@XTRLFX]

@@LuckyLukeTF2 Anyone without a heat pump or free wood or both :-)

[@PennyAfNorberg]

District heating and sharing every wall/floor/ceiling with neighbors => 24+c at no extra costs

[@rh1860]

@@LuckyLukeTF2 Facts!

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

@@PennyAfNorberg Same for me. District heating is just awesome, especially in an apartment on the 2nd floor of 7. Even better is that our heat is cheap because well over 50% of it comes from waste heat from the local power plant.

[@whatiskensworth]

I's always a joy to get the Linus & Jake bug each other hour, but I gotta say Jake killed it hosting this one.

[@WhaleTank]

As a Canadian who has lived in the lower mainland and the interior of BC, I have learned that radiant in floor heating can sometimes be insufficient during the colder times of the year. When I have lived in places where the home is colder, I have put a heating pad in the bed to warm up the space before getting into it at night. This makes the bed warm when you get in versus you having to warm the space yourself.

[@TheGuyFromDenmark95]

Imagine if Jake one day really wanted to prank Linus. The extend he would be able to go to. He basicly knows everything there is to know about Linus' house 😄

[@zeroa69]

Dennis would still fuck up the plan somehow

[@vaisakhkm783]

@dot don't call poor dennis clown he's much more than that

[@TheMetroidblade]

@@vaisakhkm783I mean, your right. He’s like a chaos god with how quickly he broke that lamp in that recent vid.

[@mokanin8894]

Yes, he can freeze him to death, making the temperature upstairs below 19 c.

[@GlorifiedGremlin]

Extent, not extend. I can't tell if it's a typo or a genuine misunderstanding so I wanted to tell you

[@InfinitePCGaming]

Can't wait for the video of Jake explaining to the next home owners how everything works.

[@jimmyzhao2673]

They'll revert back to dumb mercury switches.

[@suburbannerd5586]

"Here's a KZbin playlist"

[@Pisik1337]

After the sell you will have to subscribe Jake on a monthly fee to keep it all running... Finally, your home as a service.

[@stephentalkstech6714]

As soon as you were questioning the Ecobee difference, my heart sank for you. Every winter I have to remind a family member that the temperature on their thermostat is right, but their TV is so close to it that it's being heated up (had to once pull out an IR thermometer to prove it).

[@coyotesden]

I'm glad I'm not the only one doing crazy integrations and having as much fun as they do in the process :p

[@jimschuler8830]

I appreciate Linus for going through all this to showcase how IOT is hell and mercury switches are awesome.

[@chrigoog]

Just like I always say about mercury: Don't knock it 'till you tried it, the taste really grows on you.

[@alexlacey9808]

It’s just amazing to me that he didn’t just do the most simple option of using the American standard thermostats to control the in floor heat through auxiliary contacts. I get wanting all the controls to be local and not dependent on the internet but even my nest thermostat will still cool and heat my house if the internet stops working.. this whole system is a shit show.

[@randomuser6378]

@@alexlacey9808It’s because he thinks avoiding the 1 in a 1,000,000,000 chance that the internet connection is down and someone wants to change the thermostat at that exact same moment is worth the headache he’s created. That one time someone won’t have to get up and manually adjust it instead of using their phone is just a bridge too far

[@coreymartin9630]

Linus: Has like a billion devices in his house that could be configured to run all of their communications over a wire Also Linus: Why are my speakers that probably should be wired having interference? This house is probably using up the entire 5 GHz band

[@FluffyAnnoyed]

And his primary communication should be KNX when starting a smarthome from scratch in a bare house. And everything which is bolted to the wall shouldn't use wifi.

[@toddbod94]

@@onnikukkonenI’d be surprised if Linus is using a PSK for his WiFi.

[@IceMan2019]

The house is probably just using all the bands! 2.4, 5, 6, an unreleased 76!

[@JacobG123]

All wifi on channel 69(blame Jake)

[@jorrit_o]

@@FluffyAnnoyed Definitely... He should've just gone with KNX or Loxone and let it setup by a professional... you can still implement it in HA. But then he couldn't make like 20 videos about his smart home.

[@RobBoss757]

You can use zone adjusters in your HVAC ductwork. Add a higher tonnage system. Add inline thermostats through the low voltage etc.

[@joestrohmaier7624]

For temperature offset correction (in the case of the one thermostat reading high due to it's location on the wall) follow these steps: 1: Tap the three lines in the bottom left of the main screen to bring up the main menu 2: Scroll towards bottom of the main menu and tap "Installation Settings" 3: Tap "Thresholds" 4: Scroll towards bottom and tap "Temperature Correction" 5: Adjust to match a thermometer placed in a centralized location of the room. adjustments can be made in intervals of 0.5°F, unsure what °C intervals are. (I'm an hvac tech in the state of Ohio in the US, so we almost exclusively set up our tstats in °F) 6: Exit the menus by continually tapping the back arrow in the top left corner 7: Observe the main temperature screen and watch for the room reading to change. It usually takes a few seconds to implement after getting back to the main screen I hope this helps you Linus as well as anyone else wondering about temperature correction. Note that this primarily works for thermostats that are under a constant hot/cold influence. A thermostat in an open, windowed room will still act up a bit when direct sunlight hits it for an extended time during a cloudless day.

[@Stuie444]

I love how it's been over a year now and Linus STILL doesn't have a functioning home HVAC system. His wife must be *miles* more patient and understanding than mine.

[@SpencerHHO]

Your screw ups don't contribute to a seven figure income though, just guessing :p

[@varunaX]

@@SpencerHHO exactly. she can go sulk in her lamborghini

[@usucdik]

@@varunaX heated seats, with massage. Very comfortable sulking in CA winter.

[@planefan082]

@@usucdik Canadian*

[@JaxsonGalaxy]

Yvonne controls the money and coin purse for Linus' businesses - you can safely assume everything either gets approved by her, or is her idea to begin with.

[@Vandel212]

I see this, and see how many "moving parts" there are to this set up and all I can think is "wow, this is going to be a nightmare eventually". I mean if it's this complicated now, how much worse is it going to be when things inevitably start breaking?

[@joshuawaterhousify]

That'll never happen...it has to start working first.

[@wisteriel]

"More content!"

[@OramWerd]

As someone in the commercial HVAC world it is not uncommon for units to be connected to a BAS/BMS. The equipment usually has a service mode that allows you to bypass and check the unit operation. For your everyday residential tech who isnt used to this, it could lead to more problems than it solves, but my guess is the installing contractor will most likely maintain this equipment when it eventually does have issues. So they should at least be familiar with the set up.

[@stephensaines7100]

@@OramWerd At what price? And when Locutous isn't around, what then?

[@lemster101]

This one specifically is just a horrible setup with seemingly a lot of solutions just to solve for previous problems, rather than taking a step back and really taking a good look at finding a reliable, easy solution that addresses the core problem you're trying to solve. In this case many of the problems appear caused by wanting to combine multiple systems and finding hacks to make everything work together. The Tasmota and Ecobee system work together pretty well already, but then there's the American Standard system they are trying to make work as well and I don't really remember why that was exactly. A solution that would've given far less trouble for example was just to set it up as they had originally planned, with no thermostat in the room, just a thermometer and having it all be controlled through the Home Assistant interface. Would've been one system (Tasmota) and one system for temperature readings. They added the complexity of the Ecobee and that American Standard system because the family wanted the ability to control the heat per room. What they could've done instead is follow the original plan, but simply add a touch screen with a Home Assistant control panel on it (which is more in line with how Home Assistant is designed to be used). I don't blame them at all for the situation they're in though. I know exactly how this evolved into mess, because I've done it myself. Instead of going back to basics, you tend to "add" solutions. Either because you think that one little extra thing isn't that big a deal or because you bought something expensive you feel you now have to make work. Similarly, there's a strong "while you're in there" feeling where you're like, well if I'm already doing this, I might as well just add this little thing. I am a little unclear on the whole Z-Wave debacle though. With their backgrounds I would've thought they understood the value of having at least the core of your home being wired up and not be wireless. There's super robust systems used in office buildings, hospitals and homes like KNX for all this kind of stuff. All which integrate easily with Home Assistant. They could've added some Z-Wave here and there to supplement it or get control in places where it was cost prohibitive to put wired devices, but to have your whole house on Z-Wave is a pretty brave move if you ask me. Same for the garage door. They tried three times and only at the end really looked at what they were trying to solve (they literally describe their requirements clearly at the start of their FINAL video on the topic). But all of this is definitely part of the fun of it. If you don't enjoy thinking about things this way, home automation sucks and I wouldn't touch it. If it all works it's magic, but it's not worth the hassle if you don't at least enjoy the hassle a little.

[@Azuuraas]

love watching videos about home heating when i'm in a country that rarely goes below 10°C in the winter (and over 35°C in the summer)

[@neoncyber2001]

I love Mqtt - It's great for situations in which multiple publishers need to broadcast to multiple subscribers (something like thermostats (pub) to an AC (sub) or heater (sub) .

[@BananaArmsMcNess]

I love Linus going on about how cold it is in his house and Jake is casually standing in the background wearing shorts and t-shirt

[@swayne1441]

yeah the temps he shows are the goals I will my AC would COOL my house to lol.

[@anb1142]

before I lost some weight, I was the same. Didn't realize fat is such a great insulator. Drowns you in sweat when it's sunny though

[@armanke13]

overweight people are warmer?

[@anb1142]

@@armanke13 internal temp doesn't go down as fast as slim people. temp is still the same.

[@conorstewart2214]

@@anb1142 More insulation means more retained heat. So for the same input heat there is less heat loss and hence higher temperature. Whilst the main parts of the body will be at the same temperature regardless, it does affect the rest of the body, especially the sections that generally get cold, like hands.

[@MTGeomancer]

All this has taught me is that my dumb house is the smarter house.

[@artur6912]

But how can you live without your toilet connecting to WiFi so you can use an app on your phone to flush ?! Are just gonna use a button/handle on the actual toilet like some animal ?!

[@tornadochaserguy5756]

@@artur6912 Yes.

[@ghost-user559]

Peak wisdom, *poo in a hole in the woods* Recycling and fertilizing the earth

[@garystinten9339]

@@artur6912 are you serious?? An app.. what about "motion detection" via "iris scan" to detect dilation and finalisation?? Apps, buttons, smart phone?? You're a PLEB of the highest order.

[@enregistreur]

Thank you Linus and Jake for showing the path of smart homes. I knew I lacked (a lot of) money to implement the same kind of features in my house, but now I know I *also* lack the time and patience. 😅 Oh and Happy New Year LTT team!

[@owd200]

As an HVAC engineer...you guys did better than I thought you would have, and anything that didn't go great was entertaining lol

[@DaHaiZhu]

You can really understand Linus' priorities when he goes to great lengths to run Ethernet cables to every wall of every room in the house but can't be bothered to run 2 more wires for each thermostat or 2 wires for reliable speakers. And when you have to have someone (Jake) set up scripts and train you on how to use your own 'smart' home system, you know its way more complicated than it needs to be.

[@sid6645]

The speakers is because he already had expensive wireless ones. And they have a theatre room completely wired up wtd you going on about??

[@felix871]

@@sid6645 The speakers should be wired though, because the wireless setup is causing problems and the speakers won't be moved anyways

[@sid6645]

@@felix871 his TV set up is super jank because he has a theatre room. Its just his family's unfortunate preference that they like the jank set up.

[@felix871]

@@sid6645 I know, I also prefer the theatre room but maybe they want to watch two different movies at the same time or something, he can definitely afford to have two proper setups. It’s just that wireless stuff usually sucks

[@4203105]

That's the problem when you take free wireless speakers from Sony. You have to actually use them.

[@Fottow]

If Linus has kept ANY of this after 3 years I'll be very surprised. It feels so kludge.

[@joemarais7683]

He’ll probably just sell the house and try again with another.

[@maxking3]

The house is as smart as the guy who owns it. If he had done some research, he could have done it with the only proven & open global standard for Smart buildings and that‘s KNX. It was introduced 30y ago and is still the #1 standard for digital building automation and with v3 of the protocol and the huge installed base, it will probably be around for another 30y. Linus is just adding more junk, that will invariably end up in a landfill soon, without having ever worked properly. I still can‘t understand why he thinks he can tell people anything about he subject matter, given his track record of completely screwing up anything apart from Gaming PCs.

[@justynpollard3969]

@@maxking3 Why do you care so much dawg

[@Xdart1]

@@justynpollard3969 he has a reach of 15+ million people thats why

[@conorstewart2214]

@@maxking3 Or its his house and he can do it the way he wants. All through the comments on all these videos you have people advocating for different systems, doesnt mean your suggestion is the right one and he cant listen to everyone. Not everything on youtube has to be done professionally or the way you would have done it. People can still show what they did and talk about the systems they use, you dont have to be an expert to be allowed to make a video about something. The videos are still interesting. If you think you can do so much better then buy a house and make a youtube series adding smart devices.

[@WilliamVallance]

I have boiler with radiators in my house. For my Nest schedule I set up my 5am temp at 68 Fahrenheit then at 8am the schedule is set to 70 Fahrenheit. The reason is by the time Nest shuts off the boiler the radiators have hot water that will still disapate and increase the house temp by 2 to 3 degrees. One of two things happen either someone is too hot and opens window waisting energy OR their body gets used to the upper temp and during the house drop of 3 to 4 degrees they get cold turning up the temp once again waisting energy. By adjusting the schedule to accommodate for the continuous rise in temperature we saved a little over $100 US a month on energy cost for a 1600 sq ft house.

[@EsotericArctos]

Big Clive used to have a couple of Cat phones, and would promote them a little indirectly. Nice that you have found out how to direct the MosQuiTTo's to be helpful and not just buzz around.

[@mugstep]

As a former plumber, I cannot fathom why anyone would willingly do this to themselves.

[@TheAkashicTraveller]

Imagine buying a house like this. Oh yeah the heating won't work at all because it was all hack job held together by custom scripts running with home assistant on my NAS that I'm taking with me. Good luck getting it going again.

[@NMBRPL8]

@@TheAkashicTraveller orrr, he'll have an electrician stick a $50 thermostat there instead and the whole thing is bypassed. Or any of the new wireless controller systems that are out now, or will be by then, and again problem solved, quick cheap and easy, back to a dumb home. It's not some irreversible change, it's using the same contacts and switching methods any dumb system would use.

[@josephhakim2344]

As an electrian I can’t imagine trying to trouble shoot this house

[@nicholashaines4136]

@@TheAkashicTraveller they did bother wiring it up for thermostats even if they're just using it for power and all they have to do is add a traditional relay box at the valve and tie the thermostat and it's really not that big of a deal

[@ViXoZuDo]

I'm a software engineer and would love to have this house. Been able to fully control it remotely and automatically is something that is just awesome.

[@happllo]

Your experience has convinced me to let this entire concept sit for another few years. Thanks

[@robertolle42]

As far as the ecobee heating by the thermostat: Short term solution would be a plastic lip or "shelf" to deflect the heat outwards. You could use the plastic door draft strips from Dollarama only need to be ~2" (5cm) wider than the ecobee.

[@Badg0r]

It's cool too see the UPS systems from my work since I work at Eaton.

[@rubenthijs746]

I work in IT, which is the reason my house has: - Mechanial locks - Mechanical windows - Router with WRT - No smart home crap - No Alexa or Google Assistant - No internet connected thermostats And i keep a baseball bat close by just in case my printer makes a unexpected noise.

[@TheAkashicTraveller]

There's a saying. Software engineers trust harware but hardware engineers trust software. Going with the least bad of what you know is probably the best solution.

[@MarkusHobelsberger]

Lol, same here. I'm occupied with fixing stuff in the company all day, so no way I'd want to tinker with home automation in my spare time.

[@G1gg135]

I wonder if Linus can write off his house as a business expense yet

[@mattt525]

More than likely he can, I don't know how Canadia does tax law

[@GR1FF3RK]

If he records it he can write it off as an business expenses

[@daze8410]

Yeah but then if he ever loses the business then he would lose the house, I doubt that's what he has done. He could write off a bunch of the hardware that he has installed though.

[@quixomega]

The price of all the smart home equipment for sure, and he can take a tax deduction for using his residence as a workplace.

[@mikehoncho9581]

100% YES

[@averagebedroomproducer5008]

I held off doing my own waiting for this video. Before I even watch Im so interested in how good the light switches you chose are.

[@solarkbike8]

At NCR 30 years ago we would put a soldering station on a stack of books under the thermostat when the computer room got too warm. So yes you need to make sure no warm devices are near your 'stats if you want good data.

[@PixelShade]

Smart homes seem like a nightmare to me. I mean, good luck to the next house owner navigating and configuring this stuff. Especially if the server one day dies. 😅

[@Stuie444]

Or the server rack doesn't sell with the house? Yikes!

[@RandomTechWZ]

Honestly that is the issue with super custom stuff like this. It's really neat being able to make all this work, exactly how you want it, but if all these guys went away, pretty much every HVAC person is going to be confused af.

[@Alias_Anybody]

Linus with Computers: What, Linux does it slightly differently than I'm used to? Heresy. Linus with homes: Light switches? That's too easy. What am I, a caveman?

[@fdfd4739]

How about using a 20 year old iPad because the company went out of business or stopped updating their terrible software after 2 years. Hell, old smart devices might be gold to invest in given how many dumbshit devices rely on outdated software already.

[@irispettson]

@@RandomTechWZ At that point they better have really good documentation. But yeah, most of all this stuff would probably just get replaced by new owners.

[@hunterwearmouth5280]

I am HVAC technician in the northern united states and I really think you'd benefit from hiring a tech for a while. I love the solutions your coming up with for these complex issues and really think a HVAC technicians knowledge could add whole new levels of content here. Similar to what happened with the electrician you had on multiple times in the past with the mini split and the wiring projects! Big fan of those episodes as well

[@HazenMire]

HVAC engineer here and def agree with you. So much would be solved with just a little bit of insider knowledge. Our industry isn't incredibly hard to understand, but navigating it can be a real pain. A guide would help them immensely.

[@thelingletingle]

Just a random homeowner here in the mid-Atlantic US who has construction experience. I don’t screw with HVAC. “Smart home” devices is not a replacement for hiring an actual professional (and I have smart lights, locks, curtains, etc etc etc).

[@Sterling__Archer]

He can make more money by not doing that. He can keep making videos of him stumbling through some dumb setup he came up with and then more videos troubleshooting it when it breaks.

[@aussiegruber86]

Just a random youtube content absorber here....hello

[@Neishy4AGTE]

Could you guys imagine responding to a breakdown at this house lol.

[@tdsarchive4763]

In home automation, there is a term called the "wife approval factor". Basically, if your non-techie spouse has trouble using your smart home as designed, then it fails the sniff test. I went with off-the-shelf stuff that has a good reputation (Philips Hue, TP-link Kasa, etc) and I control it with Google Home. Not as sexy as Home Assistant, but there is minimal fuss and any quirks can be fixed by turning it off and on again.

[@starlitstreet]

I never really considered needing several blankets that big of a deal but now that I think of it I guess most people have good enough heating that they usually don't need more than 1

[@MarkusHobelsberger]

Just this week bumped my blanket count up to 4. Still have 2 spares ready lol. What's wrong with using more blankets anyway? XD

[@weibrot6683]

I learned one important lesson watching Linus's house problems, absolutely never go full high-tech on home stuff, causes nothing but problems for a slight increase in comfort

[@SoulmongerV2]

Indeed. For heating in particular just get yourself a heat pump with weather compensation and once you set it up you never touch it again. No thermostats needed.

[@Babihrse]

To get comfy we gotta get right uncomfy

[@keyboardtalk]

My favorite thing about this is your insistence on having a cloud-independent setup. Well worth it IMO. Hope more manufactures take note.

[@Nathan5791]

Literally why he's having all of the issues lol. HA is great but after 1 point, you're just tired of shit breaking due to random compatibility issues that you're left to troubleshoot. I was into writing complicated scripts and everything but eventually gave up on that shit and just use Ecobee's out of the box. It has been rock solid for 5 years and counting.

[@sweh]

Home assistant is great for bridging ecosystems; for example in my laundry I have a Hue motion sensor and a couple of bulbs. I have HA configured that if the bulbs turn on then it also turns on the Lutron Casetta switch that controls the main overhead florescent bulbs. Similarly if I turn off at the switch then HA will turn off the Hue bulbs. It can also make multiple independent circuits work together, so in my basement I have a light by the stairs and a light by the not-a-server rack; if I turn one on then HA will turn the other on, and similarly for off. I just wish HA was better architected and didn't have so many breaking changes between versions!

[@TheJacobchef]

Ecobee also has separate sensors you could hide throughout your house for additional temperature reading points.

[@tomwoolley5779]

These videos are great for reinforcing how fragmented, unreliable and problematic smart home technology can be. It's great when it works, but it's a nightmare when it doesn't. They're time & money sinks for your house because there's too many moving parts and the hardware & software creators don't always stay updated with patches or communicate with each other. Overall, the smart home industry is a mess.

[@legoapocalypse3073]

imagine being isolated in a bad winter and heating stopped working because a line code in the software got corrupted caused by a wi-fi worm virus downloaded by your kid

[@ShiroZ31]

I have a dozen or so bulbs/switches for automating outdoor lighting, turning on lights when someone gets home. And its randomly a giant pain in the ass. My thermostat is set and forget other than switching from heat to cool.

[@c6q3a24]

It's an extremely niche market for wealthy westerners who think that standing up to change the room temperature is too much hard work.

[@devonm5037]

The normal "industry" smart homes a giant mess. This is why linus is running everything off his own in home server. To fix anything he can do it you dont have to call tech support for their cloud when it messes up. My house has all the locks on the cloud but all of them have keys and also pads. Heating system is tied to the same cloud but can be operated manually. Anyone who links their house fully onto a cloud based system with no real manual override is insane.

[@chasebloom3239]

@@legoapocalypse3073 you could always just go open the electric valves manually

[@roglig]

Mosquitto author here - thanks for the mention, it's always nice to see it put to use - and keeping people warm is definitely a good use.

[@Roaming50]

And I thought connecting a bunch of Kasa devices (some Homekit, some not), Philips Hue and Ring cameras to work together with Homekit and Siri using HomeBridge on a Synology NAS was bad enough (particularly when I got into the multiple APs with multicast thing....) But it once configured it all works. Now I'm quite stoked about it after seeing Linus's set up.

[@TheTruth420]

God tier hvac guy here; if you ever have an issue with the zone valves or tstats that metal slider on the bottom can be slid into manual on. 100% heat which will also make the end switch in the valve as well. You can all ways jump out the call for heat on the boiler as well. If theres no flow the boiler wont run so dont worry about breaking it.

[@aqynbc]

Jake is a very smart and hard working guy, and yet does not take himself seriously. Class act.

[@travisash8180]

The heating system is an over complicated mess.

[@Aimero]

@@travisash8180 exactly - but it is content ;)

[@iwontliveinfear]

@@travisash8180 Truth. However it is/was the only way to meet Linus's goal of having smart home control and automation without being reliant on a cloud service that might not exist tomorrow.

[@dezzydayy4608]

I’ve gotten pretty disillusioned with smart home products over the years. I’ve lost more time to dropped connections, hub failures, and other issues than I’ve gained from the automations. I’m hoping things mature and standardize more with the introduction of Matter, but it’s been a rough ride in the meantime.

[@biff647019]

Letting my imagination run, say all these smart home companies got Linus in a room, bribed him so he'd market their stuff? So LTT records themselves solving everything in order for people to go 'I'm gonna do that too' while Jake writes a bunch of scripts and uses workarounds on all the devices to trick them into working while Linus nonchalantly faces the camera saying 'yep, we all bend over backwards so our heaters work, right guys!'

[@wesleycoats]

CORRECT.

[@EvidensInsania]

Also even if these smart home things all worked perfectly how much time and effort are they actually saving you? When I want heating in my primitive dumb home all I do is flick a switch.

[@Hal_142]

@@EvidensInsania when you are rich you don't have to concern yourself with flicking switches. that's the life of luxury.

[@aartjansen1252]

This is a great ad for the simplicity and reliability of mercury switches.

[@bertblankenstein3738]

The best thing about those mercury thermostats is that you can wire in parallel means to turn on the heater. A very simple method with no cloud requirements. Add some esp32s, temp sensors and relays and write your own code.

[@JockelGaming]

I like how this shows, no amount of planning will safe you from having to work around stuff you didn’t expect.

[@laurencefraser]

unknown unknowns are the bane of all plans.

[@xergiok2322]

That's a cool system. Mine works differently. Basically, if I feel cold, I turn the valve on the radiator counterclockwise. Has never failed me.

[@everydayafriday9132]

You can calibrate those ecobee thermostats to read a few degrees above or below what it seeing. That would only help if the American standard thermostats are putting out a consistent amount of heat that can be compensated for

[@RipleySawzen]

I'd like to see a video summarizing every video they've done on Linus' house. Maybe once it's done.

[@sreekarkandala388]

Narrator: "It's never done"

[@StormCrusher94]

So in around 23years?

[@b.v.skijump432]

Well. They do have a playlist already for that.

[@Stuie444]

For now here's the whole playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PL8mG-RkN2uTzgyA8zzE8vRB3_ZXQfuFRz

[@SagBobet]

I had a Nest thermostat once in my old apartment and it was so stupid and annoying to use, it would constantly ignore my temperature setting. Then, my next place had a Honeywell thermostat which, while it was much better at being a thermostat, but sucked and staying connected to my phone and it would take FOREVER to switch on. Now, I have a standard "dumb" thermostat and I'm much happier, even though its less convenient to walk over to it, its less hassle since it immediately does what I expect. Not to mention the amount of times I had to do factory resets on the smart thermostats.

[@denisd7456]

I certainly have to say i have fallen down the rabbit 🐇 hole deep with all the amazing stuff you guys post. As a result I have burn threw soooooo much data... but thank you I THINK.....

[@NeonShores]

About 6 months ago I started going all in with Home Assistant and I was blown away by all the things I could do...and then I realized I was spending hours and hours maintaining a smart home when I have extremely limited free time anyway. It quickly became a time suck job and just wasn't worth it.

[@HugoDenbyMann]

Yep - I could spend a week developing/tweaking HA just to solve some automation 'problem' that would really only take a few seconds to turn on/off manually.

[@bullwinklemoose7232]

The sad part is when Linus gets sick and kicks the bucket His wife just screams....What the Hell is all this crap, and nothing ever works again She already has that look on her face in the video called "I let my wife down" Again?

[@ambi3nttech]

@@bullwinklemoose7232 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@KickingAustin]

LTT socks at 2:27 ? I guess they're getting closer to meeting Linus' standards to competing with Darn Tough!

[@kleesenheim7076]

just starting watching, had to pause and come down and see if anyone had noticed pixelated/censored socks, or wondering if he just got Darn Tough to make some ltt branded socks

[@luckyperga]

@@kleesenheim7076 same

[@Arexodius]

15:46 Nice editing with the new camera angle name pop up!

[@user-wh7no2vo4f]

This has certainly been a fun watch to see you try to integrate a bunch of residential grade devices in ways they were probably never originally meant to be integrated and it's neat that you pretty much got it working but you probably would have been better served by a more commercial grade HVAC "DDC" automation system (IE Delta controls, Reliable controls etc). You would have had a cleaner install (no need for 2 separate tstats in each zone) and you would have more flexibility in the programming and operation of your system as a whole. Anyways, just something to think about if you every think about upgrading down the line.

[@PS1212]

Never have i expected to be scared by what socks linus might be wearing

[@TheGreatVandoly]

Glad I’m not the only one who noticed that 😂

[@aukliminu7583]

Underrated comment

[@overamped23042]

Linus' foot content must be behind a paywall!

[@Lurker-dk8jk]

@@overamped23042 He puts it on his OnlyFans. It's too sexy for KZbin. (2:24)

[@tisamon4070]

I can kind of see Yvonne locking Linus and Jake in the house with a camera till the whole system works properly.

[@dgdev69]

Each time Jake shows up a piece of open source software it blew me up. LMG should definitely consider making more content on home automation.

[@devinhedge]

Love the Home Assisstant hackery and especially the reference to my favorite sensor from Everyday Smart Home. 🎉

[@ThebestmanIVGaming]

Only Linus can talk about his kids freezing upstairs then transition into a segway from our sponsor ridgewallet

[@mt1104uk]

Did you consider getting a ground loop installed for the heat pump when you had your pool getting dug out? Ground sourced heat pumps can operate well below sub zero and are in use all over Scandinavia

[@trustingcynic]

And you can get hydronic heat pumps (heats water like a boiler to have in floor heat) and can also be used for a domestic hot water heater. Never a bad idea to have a backup heat source, but they really missed on this one. Especially the efficiency that could have been had.

[@BlackViperMWG]

Probably not. Though would be nice having that under the pool or something, in non freezing depth.

[@reilandeubank]

They do perform much better than standard heat pumps in these conditions but they can be prohibitively expensive depending on the kind of land you live on etc

[@Fortzon]

@@reilandeubank Cost range for ground heat pumps is about 15-30k €. For Linus, money is not the issue. But like you said, the type of land you live on is important. Here, you can't dig a well for a ground heat pump if your plot is above groundwater but idk if the loop, which is closer to the surface but delivers less heat for the pump than a well, is still allowed.

[@trustingcynic]

@Fortzon vertical loop is also an option. Horizontal takes up more land but for canada will probably be 12-15ft deep minimum depending on area, for good efficiency. Vertical is a well with a U shaped loop, drilled a couple hundred feet deep.

[@RandomTorok]

Hey Linus; Christmas gift tip: A few years ago someone gave us a bed cover that heats the bed. Not an electric blanket, this goes on over the mattress and under the sheets. Has a control for each side of the bed so I can have a cold bed and the fiancé has a nice warm bed.

[@Lacsap3366]

I bet you can even get one with Zigbee / Tasmota or HomeKit support.

[@sweater_guy]

Linus is the only guy that can be freezing to death and still make a Segway to a sponsor

[@ionbusman2086]

This made me scrap any smart home plans I’ve had. Even having to re-“pair” the smart lights is really annoying when it happens

[@demacherius1]

Look at KNX. Its wired and works great.

[@tarultoyarto]

Jesus, yeah. I've got an LED light strip (just a light strip!) that requires a phone app to control, and if there's ever a hiccup in power the thing comes back on unpaired and starts strobing until my network comes back up. Sometimes I have to re-pair it manually, too. None of this smart home connected stuff is worth the hassle.

[@user2C47]

@@demacherius1 But can you DIY it without ending up on the wrong end of a lawyer?

[@AndreasElf]

Yeah, it's enough when you have to reconnect a bluetooth devide like a keyboard and it's acts up and is like "I don't wanna :(".... Being able to connect to a smart system at home through wifi should be possible, but it should also not be crucial to do so. When I get a house and if I start fiddling with smart things, I'de have high standards for how it should work and not work. 1. Have to work offline. 2. Must connect through wire (both network and power). POE whould be nice. 3. Controllable through a hub/server. 4. Can be controlled manually. 5. What ever else I've missed :) There's really no need for wifi connectivity for the "smart things" as they talk through the hub. The smart things don't even have to be smart. It's the system in a whole that should be smart. I mean. A smart system shouldn't be dumber than a non smart system.

[@demacherius1]

@@user2C47 Yes. Its a bus system with 30 Volts so not dangerous. All you do is connect two wires and then configre it in a software thats easy to learn. No Cloud if you dont order a special server, no network needed and in case something happens you can go to the actors and push a button on the device ta activate/deactivate the output relais.

[@KamenTcholakov]

6 years ago, I was a new home owner. Fresh paint, only few repairs and the kitchen needed a new kitchen, and that was it. Even the dumb light switches are the old ones. No regrets! Looking at this video - big win!! We moved in 2 months after we got the keys...

[@Chronos0802]

There's a differential adjustment in the advance options you can use to make the temperate the same as another thermostat.

[@MrSlowestD16]

I never particularly had the urge to make my home "smart" - the dial on the wall works fine for me....but this saga just kinda seals the deal for me. I have so many high maintenance headaches in my life, I'm not sure I could deal with my HVAC being one of them..

[@cajuudoido]

I had the same sentiment when I was starting to build my own smart home. The first moment is great but configuring to be right can be complicated so your house goes from smart to dumb really quickly

[@briancollins7296]

that feeling when Alexa becomes Lenny....

[@HATipsByLarry]

The one BIG take away i got from this is that you can get local control of the ecobee using the homekit integration instead of having to use ecobees API key. Thanks so much for that it updates the ecobees status SO much faster now. You guys rock 😀

[@ReedSteiner]

Will this work with everything linked via homekit? I have a few ceiling fans light on my Bond Bridge that has a delay I would like to cut down on.

[@HATipsByLarry]

@@ReedSteiner I would say yes as I do have several meross smart plugs that have homekit integration and that's how I got them connected locally with HA. I just didn't think about the ecobee being a home kit compatible device. As HA docs only talk about using the api key to do the integration.

[@Chercht]

Well that was easy and intuitive! Far better than any proprietary Smart Home Kit!

[@dn2957]

I’m sure it’s already in the comments but you should checkout esphome for your esp based devices, it kicks ass over tasmota … you basically write similar YAML to home assistant, but it’s like 10x more configurable

[@codycopeland7527]

Jake, I highly recommend you get the Smart PID Thermostat integration for H.A. It makes a world of difference especially on radiant floor systems with high run down and run up times. Using this integration will make the binary on/off valve operate more like a 0-100% analog point allowing it compensate for things like high ramp up and ramp down times as well as outdoor air temperature. With some proper PID loop tuning this will completely eliminate temperature setpoint overshoot and undershoot issues.

[@ExCanMan]

Yup, ON/OFF systems are only good for low thermal mass heating devices. The impact the PID controller makes on energy saving and temperature control accuracy is actually really big. Also, an outside temperature sensor is a good idea with PID.

[@codycopeland7527]

@@ExCanMan agree 100%. The H.A. integration I use has a PIDE option with E being the O.A. factor. It takes the difference between your indoor setpoint and outdoor temp and multiplies it by the Ke number you set. It basically functions to create a minimum PID output value at a given O.A. temperature.

[@insomnia20422]

I'm baffled at how there was no easier way than using two devices per room.

[@beepboop6179]

of course there is, I'm just baffled by why they didn't. Simple ESPhome temperature sensor with a small tablet to control temperature for both the underfloor heating and room heating. ESPhome removes requirement for Tasmota and MQTT as it communicates to home assistant directly, and low cost tablets are used instead of the "smart" touchscreen glorified thermometers. It would work better and likely be cheaper, just the ecobee is over £200, and there's one in every room.

[@nunogomes6058]

There are, Jake just didn't did is homework, home assistant automation is meh, because the devs refuse to implement something like blockly, so unless you know yaml or learn node-Red you are screwed

[@someonespotatohmm9513]

@@nunogomes6058 If you can't yaml you are going to struggle configuring anything that doesn't have a UI. Just hope the docs on what to put in the yaml file are decent though.

[@SudoYETI]

There probably is but you know, content.

[@oaenusaochuenaocuao]

@@beepboop6179 this! Glorified 200$ thermometers.. . I've scattered Xiaomi BLE thermometers around the house. 4$ a piece... Integrates nicely with openhab.