Linux Distros I CAN'T Stand!

[@twl148]

> buys steam deck to play steam games > requires steam account wow you really got them there

[@expploe]

tru bro

[@twl148]

@@eintga key phrase is "out of the box" its a computer you can put whatever you want on it, its not restricting you from that

[@protogionlastname6003]

​@@eintga It's not limiting in any way out of the box. You just boot from usb stick and install any operating system you want and can. It has goddamn linux drivers for chissakes, it even has Windows drivers, what more can you possibly ask to be finally satisfied? FSF approved distro out of the box along with librebooted firmware? Well it never hurts to dream about it I suppose Such a strange take

[@Ronin-rk6iq]

Playing steam games isn't the only thing a steam deck can do, you can play games on console emulators(one major reason why people buy steam decks) such as pcsx2 and even switch emulation with ryujinx and you can play games from other game launchers like gog and epic games.

[@ethangoldwyre]

I would think of steam OS more like a console’s operating system, more like having Xbox let you download their OS

[@ARandomCibbi]

Well, that's cause it was one of the main targets of valve, making a console that can be used by random people that barely even know what an os it, and guess what is friendly for them? yes, a simple login screen to then get access to the shit in their accounts. And it makes such a big point about how the deck is flawed cause of the os when you can just install another os on it (and yes, you can do it just fine without even logging in, just hold down the volume down button while booting it up, no idea why he had to blatably lie about it). But hey that's the loud minority of linux users that have to shit on everyone and each other for the sake of "my choice is better than yours".

[@garlottos]

Yeah, people who care know how to install Linux, people who don't care won't care about logging in.

[@zekiz774]

Also: you need a steam account to even buy a steamdeck

[@DylanMatthewTurner]

That's exactly what it is. The deck's purpose is not to be a portable PC; that's a side effect. Instead it's to get console gamers to come over to PC (and to do it via Linux). Most consoles these days are locked down PCs with exclusives. Valve wants to change that and at the same time, it wants to prevent MS from gaining a monopoly on PC games through alternatives to Steam, Epic launcher, etc

[@nymusicman]

And this is why, despite using Arch on all my laptops and desktops, I still bought a SteamDeck. It's not like Valve doesn't collect analytics and tracking every time you open Steam anyway. The only thing I'd be curious about is after you login to Steam and switch to Desktop mode, when Steam is closed, are there any packages that are still collecting information in the core of the OS?

[@DVictor23]

Average linux user: Hates every distro but the distro he uses at the moment.

[@abuzerdag]

Steam Deck is a gaming device, I don't think it would make much sense to compare it to personal computers you use for everyday work. I mean the data they can collect is pretty limited since you use it only for gaming.

[@estudiordl]

It has a desktop mode fully capable. I don't know how many ppl will actually use it, but you may.

[@squidbeard492]

At the very least your cc could be linked to your steam account.

[@ЯковН-ю9х]

Your even "only" gaming activities can tell so much about you, your life, your work, your family etc. Telemetry utself is not something evil, nor a good - it's just a software instrument. One of many. But anything that keep continue telemetry on you even after telling it "NO" Is a direct threat to your life - that's how you should react tp it correctly.

[@YamatoHD]

As soon as I get one I'm reinstalling it with arch gnome or something

[@w花b]

@@ЯковН-ю9х They're an online game shop. It would be really dumb as a company, especially one like Valve, to not take some amount of data to know what players like or don't in order to adjust your sales. The customer is important, sure but I'm pretty sure that most of what we have today wouldn't exist if all the customer's needs were fulfilled(because they're a lot of times in opposition with the company's). Compromises are a thing and it just depends how much you are willing to give. Wanting a 100% of the pie just isn't possible in our current system.

[@SlavaMironov]

"oH No wHaT iF an uPdATe bReAKs SomEtHinG" is the kind of line you could expect from someone whose only use case for their computer is trying to get Arch to run. There's people out there who use their computers for shit you wouldn't want breaking on you

[@kouki1973]

Yeah, but you could alse use OpenSUSE Leap and Ubuntu LTS for stability with a little modern life, or just OpenSUSE Leap if you don't like Ubuntu. Alternative would be Redhat semi-clones: CentOS, AlmaLinux, and Rocky, which relies on point-release for security updates.

[@FahimHoq]

exactly

[@meskes4059]

Yuuup

[@kyushirokun]

The thing about the steamdeck is part missing the point and part blatant misinformation. Let's start with the misinformation, a minute long online search would show you it is possible to access the bios, boot from a USB device and install any os you want on the thing without ever entering your credentials or enabling developer mode. Also, the device isn't aiming to be a portable pc geared towards the Linux enthusiast, that's just a side effect. The device is a portable game console aimed towards steam users that can become a PC if you're so inclined. Those are different things with different requirements. What is a steam console without a seamless integration with your steam account?

[@Firecul]

That and to even buy one atm you have to log in to steam and buy it through your account. That allows tracking also. You can't pick and choose, either you want to avoid all tracking or you don't.

[@something5159]

@@Firecul opt out telemetry is everywhere avoiding it is like avoiding seeing the light of the sun outside your house if you used qubes os (world safest os) your data will still be sold idc about my data as long as they give me good os and experience i use linux because of performens and customization and stablity, security isnt that of an issue use a vpn you wont get doxxed or tracked easily or use tor or a proxy or use a well known anti virus

[@eivis13]

@@Firecul in that case use cash, otherwise there is always a trail.

[@mapu1]

@@Firecul >has internet connection >thinks it avoids tracking The fact a thing has IP or mac address means you are being tracked.

[@LedoCool1]

Steam deck telemetry is also steam telemetry. I guess the guy has steam installed, given he considered buying steamdeck?

[@MrVecheater]

I like the "enjoy the simplicity" headline over the article about the user having to manually set the local time to get updates

[@mastermindcat]

bro cant stand to do something manually to get useless update such a shame

[@MrVecheater]

@@mastermindcat you need to touch some grass

[@mastermindcat]

@@MrVecheater BRO WHY I HAD TO TOUCH GRASS MANUALLY TO GET FEELING OF GRASS?????

[@fge00]

Don't use the other distros, use what I like

[@Trafotin]

did you even watch the video

[@cat-vx3we]

@@Trafotin Could you review vanilla OS? Also correct your grammer>

[@bluestar5812]

I will never understand why so many Linux users can be so paranoic about privacy in their OS, but will still have personal accounts on social media owned by giant corporations, such as KZbin.

[@mzpl7357]

It's because OS can know literally everything about you, it knows what programs you have installed, when you're going AFK, what you're typing etc. We need to use social media because of others using it too. I need to have facebook account to be able to communicate with friends and youtube is the only way to reach other people to tell them about privacy and possible alternate to YT like odysee. It's just monopoly of big tech and people don't really bother about it.

[@alicethegrinsecatz1611]

I understand the concern because I can isolate KZbin and control what YT knows about me but my OS is something more sensible than an online account in a container in another browser than the one for my daily usage. But this is why I use open-source OS. Telemetry is important for software development, to understand how the user tried to interact and how successful they were as well as to detect bugs. Anonymized telemetry as opt-in is a great thing. That's why open-source is so important. On closed-source, you are limited to proof what the OS does.

[@demarkz]

Me, too.

[@demarkz]

@@mzpl7357 so does social medias.

[@mzpl7357]

@@demarkz which doesn't mean i want MS to know even more about me, especially when it's OS and not a website.

[@JoStro_]

I think arch can be benifitial to certain types of new users (I myself was a new user when I first installed arch). the main requirement with arch is more a willing to learn and do research as opposed to having existing experience.

[@tissuepaper9962]

Same here. Arch is a bitch, but a very informative bitch.

[@wheezybackports6444]

Nah, with Arch you just follow instructions. You still learn something, but you mainly just follow instructions. If you want to truly learn you have to start tinkering.

[@tissuepaper9962]

@@wheezybackports6444 the time-tested technique for learning programming is to copy other people's code, verbatim, by hand. That's exactly what you're doing when you "just follow instructions", unless you copy+paste everything like a cuck.

[@cmaxz817]

@@wheezybackports6444 But at least Arch Wiki can push you to tinker more. Everything must start at some point anyway. When learning stuffs, you need to observe (seeing videos), then imitate (follow instructions), then learn and reflect (understand what happens).

[@mark8200]

Dont assume most people have that spare time, when I was a student I didn't use arch because I needed to do research on my computer not research my computer. For most people tech is a means to and end, not and means to a means to a means to a rabbit hole

[@steventechno]

About the Steam Deck: One thing I tried on a buddy’s system is, is that you CAN indeed UEFI boot any OS on the deck like a standard UEFI PC by holding power and vol-down on power up. I tried my “Windows USB SDD” that I use for a couple things that WINE can’t handle, and it just booted in like a regular PC. You could just use base Arch on a Deck if one really wanted to as long as you have keyboard and mouse.

[@C0SSTY]

Not every telemetry is bad. I will gladly let developers see my crash logs etc.

[@lordsiomai]

True. But the important thing here is that the choice to let them do it must *always* be up to the user. The user must have all the power whether they choose to participate in all Telemetry or just when the app/OS crashes, etc. Basically, only the ones that the user allows.

[@Trafotin]

Telemetry is different when user provided as you describe. The difference is when it is done without explicit permission and off by default. Windows and Apple went down the same slippery slope many distros that implement telemetry go down.

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

@@ps5hasnogames55 even the telemetry collecting ones. So why even collect telemetry ?

[@wiktorkowalski6410]

@@Trafotin haha, you must be living in parallel reality or something. As long as there 78923467823478 versions of linux, there are only two OS that matter: Windows and MacOS. get real:D

[@benneilsen2915]

@@Trafotin That's usually the problem when using a proprietary OS or something shipped by a commercial vendor. I was disappointed you didn't mention this.

[@nikikovacs1923]

As a professional Linux trainer, book author and contributor to the Linux Professional Institute, I have a word of advice for you. Spend less time spreading half-digested information. Do spend more time actually learning about Linux. Especially what's behind Enterprise Linux, Long Term Support, low risk updates, release cycles etc.

[@REclipsent]

Yeah he talks about desktop distros not having an excuse. Stability isn’t a excuse apparently.

[@nikikovacs1923]

@@ConsC_yt Folks who begin Linux in 1999 might even find it useful.

[@mundotazo]

I'm sure he knows aspects linux you don't because of your narrow focus. He has great advice on desktop security. What is your experience doing video editing on linux? There are many use cases s outside of a enterprise servers.

[@CainDB]

If it takes THIS MUCH TIME maybe it's not worth spedning it at all

[@rousseauramirez]

Thank you so much for pointing this out. The "census is so bad I don't want the devs to know any numbers of users!!1!!1" already bugged the hell out of me, but when he came to shit on Debian, I was so done.

[@C0SSTY]

Your SteamOS approach is fallible, because installing Steam on any other distribution effectively turns it into SteamOS, and valve can monitor you there just as they do on original SteamOS. So, unless you plan on playing SuperTuxKart indefinitely, Steam is likely to be installed on your computer.

[@Trafotin]

Having Steam on your computer is not remotely the same as Valve creating your operating system. Valve does sell personal information and this is better mitigated by not using a platformed owned by Valve. It still doesn't change the fact Valve refuses to let users change anything about the root filesystem, opposed to Fedora Silverblue, SUSE's MicroOS, or NixOS, users can make such changes with some concerted effort.

[@TheB3n0]

@@Trafotin They kinda had to do it this way. I mean it's not a device targeted towards Linux enthusiasts. They don't want kids to constantly break the OS. And Steam Deck is the biggest step towards making Linux mainstream ever. I don't get your take on this

[@spicynoodle7419]

Just create your own SteamOS. Install Arch and make steam start in BigPicture mode instead of starting up a desktop environment

[@piface3016]

​@@TheB3n0 Genuinely asking, what's the reason you want Linux to go mainstream? This is relevant because my reason is I don't want for everyone to be dependent on only a handful of companies, to have their data harvested by billionaires and bombarded by ads and so on. So it's not sufficient that they're simply using the Linux kernel behind their computer use, it's also necessary that they're not running stuff like Steam, Google Chrome, Adobe products and whatever else. I'm asking because I want to understand the people who say "Steam Deck is good for mainstream Linux adoption", why exactly do you want THIS mainstream Linux adoption?

[@navirc]

@@Trafotin (remaking this bc links got my comment deleted) Valve does not sell your data, they do share with partners tho (see steam's privacy policy) You can change the root filesystem, with developer mode (See 'Steam Deck Development Live Stream' on 'Steamworks Development' YT Channel from 'Nov 12, 2021) You can install another OS without an account, just hold Vol. Down + Power on boot and you'll be sent to the UEFI BIOS, where you can boot any USB installer (See 'How to Install Windows on Steam Deck' guide from tom's Hardware)

[@miroslavstankov7919]

I guess the biggest weakness of Linux isn't hardware support/compatibility, nor software availability. It is not the lack of features or power. It is not the lack of money/marketing/branding, nor computers on which the system comes preinstalled. It is not fragmentation, nor having too many options. It is hubris. Conceit, arrogance and elitism in our community (both among developers and users) are, sadly, still pretty strong.

[@emeukal7683]

No. On Desktop, the issue IS not having crucial Software available in tue Platform.

[@wheezybackports6444]

I fucking hate the elitism. Not to brag, but I'm a real developer that loves hacking around on their system. I read source code all the time and I like to make my own tools. I've played with most UNIX-like systems for pure enjoyment and have made my own Linux distribution from total scratch before. There is one thing though that I understand. I'm no expert and I used to not know a lick. I used to think putting Ubuntu Linux on my computer could break it. Luckily though it didn't. The first command I knew and knew how to use was "sudo apt-get install". I only started learning about the wonderful world of UNIX after I installed virtual box and seen the lists of operating systems you could make a virtual machine for. I seen FreeBSD, Solaris, OpenBSD, DOS, OS/2, and Netware. I couldn't describe to you how exciting that was. I felt like I discovered the next element to add to the periodic table. I looked up all these operating systems one by one and spent hours reading about them. I then spent hours going down the rabbit hole of their history along with UNIX history specifically. Every since that day I've been improving my skills and learning more everyday for the past 6 years. It took a lot of work to get where I'm at and there's no shame in admitting I used to be stupid not knowing a damn thing. I don't get why people need to feel like they're the shit because they installed DWM and made it look pretty. If all you do is spend hours making your system look pretty, so you can boast on reddit you aren't learning a single fucking thing. You become stuck in this loop of following the trend and becoming mindless. Elitists aren't just pushing people away they're also hurting themselves in the process.

[@Nuggz_TV]

Man woke up an decided to spit out fax

[@AcidiFy574]

I actually have a counter to your "muh elitism bad" statement here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqmnd519hdaMpck

[@PainweedingPills]

The elitism is basically why people are being scared away from Linux and have no choice but to stay on Windows or Mac OS. "HURR DURR IF YOU DON'T USE ARCH OR INSTALL GENTOO AS A FIRST DISTRO YOUR A NOOB! GO BACK TO WINDOWS!" Seriously, let people use whatever they want. Don't fix something that isn't broken. (Manjaro is an exception, unfortunately.) It it just works, then it works.

[@splatink]

Arco Linux is pretty much arch with calamares. The arco Linux tweak tool allows you to disable any repo you want and tweak the system however you want. I agree that the website looks like Garbage, but it is meant to be used as a learning tool for arch, and at the end of the learning process it tells you to install arch.

[@alicethegrinsecatz1611]

Arco isn't officially maintained since years. Please switch to EndeavourOS which is developed by some of the Arco Linux devs.

[@splatink]

@@alicethegrinsecatz1611 Not sure how true what you said is, but I will be switching to Arch linux at some point when I decide to wipe my ssd (so probably soon). I have had the best experience with arco out of all distros (fedora too) so

[@leemanwrong]

@@splatink That guy doesn't know what he's talking about, Arco's most recent release was earlier this month so its very well maintained and up to date.

[@pasfier7098]

@@leemanwrong Perhaps hes confusing Arco with Antergos? The latter was the one discontinued in favor of endeavour by some of its devs.

[@folksurvival]

archlinuxgui is Arch with calamares.

[@famous_captin6068]

Lmao this has to be a troll, you knock Debian for being older and then suggest Fedora, one of the buggiest most duct taped together distro out there

[@folksurvival]

"Fedora, one of the buggiest most duct taped together distro out there" How/why?

[@skelebro9999]

@@ps5hasnogames55 and after a year we have the new dnf5.

[@KingKrouch]

​@@ps5hasnogames55 DNF works better than the godawful PPA system in Debian/Ubuntu and the AUR in Arch, that's for certain. Arch just seems redundant now when Gentoo now ships binaries. Why even bother with Arch when most stuff is on the AUR, where you have to install a helper manually through the terminal yourself, and when you have to compile most things anyways?

[@jastahooman]

debian is really a really good one it's pretty old i get that, but it's updated so it's good edit: it's ok if u don't like it, it's something to build upon, but it's still really good in my eyes, also i edited the message a bit because it isn't THAT much of a masterpiece lmao

[@meskes4059]

You couldn’t be more wrong about Fedora.

[@c3cxla]

Fedora has an uncool name and logo, lizards on the other hand are epic, so everyone should use openSUSE instead.

[@Trafotin]

I want to learn more about the lizard...

[@c3cxla]

@@Trafotin Apparently it's name is Geeko, couldn't find much more lore than that.

[@DMSBrian24]

I think the Fedora logo is pretty cool, but I agree the name kinda sucks and unfortunately that actually matters to many people

[@t0uchme343]

But it has SUS in its name...

[@c3cxla]

@@t0uchme343 - anime avatar Opinion discarded

[@johnyferreira8733]

This is why kids, you do your own research and don’t listen to what random people on KZbin say.

[@5I6]

I'm doing my own research and I agree with him... with him? No, I mean with you.

[@parker_chess]

I use Linux Mint myself and have no intention of moving away from it anytime soon. It being a fork of Ubuntu and Debian really doesn't affect its stability or user experience. Performance is great and I've had no issues. Whereas there are people who have used Fedora and have had issues. Not saying Fedora is bad but being a not forked distro doesn't mean its immune to having issues. I myself have an older Nvidia Card which has issues with Wayland which Fedora enables by default.

[@CiprianHanga]

Arch user hates other distros and loves only Arch What a surprise

[@aadarshroy3216]

Ah thanks for saving my time

[@mattmess1221]

He also likes Fedora and OpenSuse

[@skelebro9999]

I'm an Arch (ArcoLinux) user, and I don't hate any other distro. I think most distros are fine to use. It really depends on what you want your OS to do at the end of the day, and bashing people for that little bit of freedom is just plain dumb.

[@qy9MC]

⁠​⁠@@skelebro9999No no freedoms are important. But shaming people over it seems excessive as it's there freedom to use any OS.

[@ati7474]

This is not true in all cases. I have three machines. I also use Arch, Debian and Fedora. Each is good in its own way. The base distros are good, it doesn't matter which one you use.

[@Berecutecu]

Fedora isn't evil at this point? Isn't better to go with Nobara for a first time Linux user now?

[@VirtualizerExtreme]

Nobara's pretty obscure so you ain't getting that much help if something does go wrong But otherwise it's pretty damn good

[@Berecutecu]

@@VirtualizerExtreme I agree, by that time I didn't have much understand. I feel like staying close to the mainline is better. Fedora is good after tuning.

[@yungdnny]

Please adjust the threshold on your noise gate so it’s not as sensitive, it’s extremely jarring when the audio cuts out instantly after you finish speaking in between words. The video and topic were great though!

[@roseproctor3177]

agreed

[@tomsawyer283]

... using a VTuber is weird

[@tekki2060]

ALL "distros" have their good and bad points. I've been in Unix/Linux/Xenix for almost thirty years. I've run many different versions and did extensive development on SCO and AT&T platforms. Everyone has their likes and dislikes. I settled on using Linux Mint as my desktop and I've had no regrets. Actually, Mint has a very easy to use desktop and I can do just about anything on Mint that I was able to do on Windows. I used to use Fedora but I do NOT like what they've done to the desktop. Desktops should be user friendly and Fedora no long is in this category. As I said before, everyone has their likes and dislikes, so, use what is comfortable for you. Linux Mint is probably one of the best for new users and I always steer people who are interested in Linux to Linux Mint.

[@grayghost832]

I had no issue using fedora except for my hardware which was a random windows tablet. It even has or had cinnamon DE as a spin. That's what mint has as its default. Dunno. I personally like plasma and xfce with a little customization. Cinnamon is good too. And they all run on debian.

[@deepspacecow2644]

Did you do any work on DANOS? What do you think of ATT switching out cisco for black box routers.

[@KingKrouch]

Cinnamon DE is still lacking proper VRR support, making games stuttery if you can't hold a rock solid FPS target equivalent to your monitor's refresh rate. Maybe when Cinnamon DE gets it's Wayland support out of alpha, then I can recommend it. But even then, just install the Fedora Cinnamon DE spin rather than Linux Mint, it's packages are more recent.

[@alexcerzea]

12:12 If I install the repository of kali into debian, would I have a franken debian?

[@TheTemplaricKnight]

No you'd be smart

[@alexcerzea]

@@TheTemplaricKnight can you elaborate? XDD

[@TheTemplaricKnight]

@@alexcerzea kali is just debian with a skin it'd be better to build it and install the tools you need instead of having a very bloated linux os

[@Tommy-the-coffee-addict]

when it comes to steamOS,it's more comparable to a console OS than a PC OS like arch. not to say it's a good excuse,but for people used to consoles,the freedom of something like steamOS,is amazing. i wouldn't recommend steamOS for most users,but for its console UI and optimizations (it has some extra stuff in it too,and it's hard to replicate without breaking another one of your rules with nobra,doing alot of set-up or using arch),it's fairly hard to replace.

[@JXQU3]

I love fedora but its the only distro (including its forks) where I have this bug: whenever I reboot or turn on my computer if I don't press enter the exact moment grub shows up it goes to grub rescue and I cannot even write because it starts spamming "grub>" It could boot when I pressed enter fast enough but It was too weird so I started distro hopping. Fortunately, I found a fork of fedora which does not have that problem: Nobara. I tried numerous fedora forks and spins but this is the only one which does not have that problem.

[@ThatBoringDeveloper]

Does this dude now know steam os is meant for the steam deck, and before you say well why do I need to log into my steam account *well, so you can play games ON YOUR steam account* Edit: Debian is a nice os, I can agree that I hate Debian desktop as we were made to use it on our desktops at my job and we used red hat on our servers.

[@joelrolon1710]

My PC with NVIDIA can't log into fedora 39 desktop after an update LOL

[@Speykious]

For telemetry, you can end up trusting it if their telemetry code is open source and you can guarantee what they're doing with your data, but eh, reading that code must be worse than reading an entire TOS lol

[@w花b]

That's what people do for popular open source project tho. There has to be that guy or we're screwed.

[@Speykious]

@@w花b tru

[@Montgomerygolfgator]

EndeavorOS splits the difference between Manjaro and Pure Arch. It is 99.9% Arch, but has a graphical installer and all the little things to get you going. If you're entrenched in Manjaro, and you have your home folders on a separate partition... You can just pave over / and for most applications I tested they will never know.

[@Trafotin]

EndeavourOS honestly does not contribute enough with that installer because of arch-install (was not a thing when I recorded this). What they bring to sweeten the deal is their community forums where people document various solutions to things in detail and have way better support than the Arch Linux forums. You can find all sorts of things like how to setup secure boot to settings snapper for snapshots. They also contribute directly upstream to Arch Linux.

[@tabbarsg]

Wow this discussions about Linux is honesty one of the best I listened to :) subscribed

[@golvellius6855]

Good stuff

[@RainbowVision]

Just remember, not every Linux user is thís pessimistic about the topics discussed in this podcast. It's over the top, some of it even untrue and fear mongering.

[@calleha01]

@@RainbowVision sure, but some distros are really bad at the same time. you could get by fine using manjaro, linux mint or debian but the other ones he mentioned like zorin and elementaryos you really wanna stay away from because people know distros have a tendency to pop up out of nowhere and later disappear without a trace.

[@soooslaaal8204]

@@tabbarsg bless your heart because this guy is a drooling r-trd

[@horsepowermultimedia]

Debian literally has no realtek drivers included in its default iso, but it literally lists the realtek drivers when it makes you choose from a list of drivers.

[@Trafotin]

If you enable the non-free repo, you can sudo apt install firmware-realtek.

[@harpskid]

You're hyperbolic when complaining about security updates on debian, and the rest of your criticism is just "but muh shiny new stuff". If you want the newer features compile it yourself, use a snap, use a flatpak. I don't want my distro pushing updates that could break.

[@williamnessanbaum7464]

I was given an old Latitude E6400. I put Zorin 15.3 on it and opted out of the telemetry. After starting the process of learning BASH, I then upgraded to 16.1. I've never had any problems. Thanks for your understanding.

[@terrybaileysr.3714]

Thank you. I love my Mac Os even more now.

[@Trafotin]

Different strokes for different folks. Linux users have surprisingly fragile psyches the moment choices come into question.

[@terrybaileysr.3714]

@@Trafotin Don’t get me wrong I am having fun with Linux too. Made a ventoy drive with about 20 distros on it. I put a pcie in an external housing. I ended up then picking one I liked. I put Garuda on a very old laptop that my wife had replaced. Most of the other distros looked and felt too much like windows which I spent years in I.T. Working with and hate now.

[@Joetorres3]

Usually I recomend Fedora for all, but last version have a irritating problem that my mouse just stops working in certain windows in gnome and kde. It anoys the hell of me, and I wanted to try the new Ubuntu. I will come back to it when they solve this bug.

[@yash1152]

which DE aka fodora spin did u try?

[@hungariancuman2835]

I swiched from Manjaro to Fedora and I just love it..

[@hungariancuman2835]

@@ps5hasnogames55 Im a lawyer I dont need these things maybe your critics about rpm can be relevant to me but so far Im all right. I just need something that is fairly stable and I can work with Fedora.

[@accounta09]

Interesting take. That’s the great thing about Linux - different strokes for different folks. I disagree with most of your points but I’ll highlight only one here: Debian being slow because “muh stability.” You listed Debian as being slow to implement security updates (in your write-up on the screen) but used a memory leak and an outdated office suite (LibreOffice) as examples. I wasn’t aware of the memory leak but if that happened, it’s not a security issue. It just means the system used more RAM than necessary. As for outdated office suites, that’s because Debian focuses on stability over features. Your entire argument against Debian is their lack of cutting edge software support but that’s their entire business model. Stability over features. It’s like saying the problem with two door sedans is they are missing two more doors. Well, that’s their design choice. That’s the business model. If you wanted four doors, you should have bought those cars. In this case, if you want features over stability, go with an Arch or Fedora based OS. If you want a rock-solid OS with 0 maintenance required (*cough cough* Arch), go with Debian.

[@bingusbongus1656]

Would you recommend Devuan? It's a fork (I know, I know) of Debian but it doesn't use SystemD and the website gives options for either SysVInit, s6, OpenRC and others. It's about 3-4 months behind Debian because the devs have to unpair packages with SystemD dependencies and then work them in. Personally I like it as I've been testing it in a VM and all of the software I want works just as it would on any other distro I've tried, as well as it essentially giving me full control over my PC. Thanks.

[@accounta09]

@@bingusbongus1656 Hey there, thanks for the question. My take on Devuan is it’s primarily catered towards people not wanting to use systemd. Which is fine. But I tend to stick with the most upstream distros I can. Vanilla Debian on my main production machine, Ubuntu / Kubuntu on my laptop (I have specific use-cases for both), and Arch on my test rig. The Debian Security Team is phenomenal so even though packages may be out of date, Debian always fast-tracks security updates. How else would they have enterprise clients if they were lazy on the opsec? Debian is one of the most popular server operating systems, servers that host far more critical information than most of us on our home PCs. I’m not sure how solid Devuan is in implementing the security patches developed by the Debian Security Team, both in speed and also quality / correctly applying them. They may be great (or even develop their own patches) but I have no info either way. That’s my only concern. Happy to continue the discussion if you have further questions or want to chat on the topic. Thanks again for reaching out.

[@bingusbongus1656]

@@ps5hasnogames55 I don't like it out of protest but rather mistrust of giant corporations not to turn over my data. My logic is SystemD is made and maintained by Red Hat, which is owned by IBM which likely collects data and turns it over to advertising agencies and Federal agencies when they detect Corporate wrongthink. You can call me far fetched all you want, this is just pattern recognition for me. But yeah, key word you mentioned is "vtuber".

[@quazar-omega]

@@bingusbongus1656 I used Artix for a while that is basically Arch with the choice of init system and I gotta say I liked it, but it also requires more work on your part to adapt instructions for your system so if you don't know much you might end up breaking stuff like I did, but if that's ok with you then totally go for it, there is also a forum so you can get some support, don't know if the same goes for Devuan. I personally used it because I was curious to try out a different init system, not because of a religious battle, I used s6 and what I liked most about it was that it was definitely faster than systemd in my experience. Now I'm using Fedora because I need something that just works™ so I don't have to worry about stuff, but if I had a spare PC I would install it again just for the fun of it

[@A432Hz]

Debian is low maintenance… until you have to update from version to version, such as the recent jump from 10 to 11.

[@Dubfiance]

alright what do you think of KDE neon? KDE's official "distro but not really a distro" thing

[@smayzy]

I'm definitly gonna reuse the "if you don't know what your doing don't use arch if you know what your doing you know what your doing"

[@axef]

"waaa my STEAM deck, my device made by valve specifically for gaming with STEAM , requires a steam account waaaaaa" come on man

[@boilingsausage8049]

Isn't the point of the Steam Deck to play steam games? Like of course you will need a steam account. It's not like people are using SteamOS as their desktop OS

[@ssgtblackmamba7991]

Buying a Steam Deck and complaining that it has steam and you need to log into steam is like buying an iPhone and complaining they won't let you completely customize the desktop. Guess what, I hate that shit and thus I don't buy an iPhone. Instead of uploading a KZbin vid complaining about said company 😂

[@Linuxfy]

after all this year finally somebody brave enought to make video like this. you deserve a subscribe

[@SpacerZVEVO]

Why are you comparing SteamOS to a regular distro? What, am I gonna boot up a coding env and get some work done on SteamOS

[@themadoneplays7842]

Problem with fedora is that it has lackluster OOTB support for certain wireless cards not to mention they dropped H.264 support. Then with opensuse you have no live image and its OS installer is archaic not to mention its TERRIBLE printer support.

[@Zer0sVoid]

As a relatively new Linux user, I really like this sassy and honest take about different distros. Definitely guilty of running Manjaro as a daily driver hahaha. I have been considering hopping onto Fedora, how dare you confirm my bias hahaha.

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

@@ps5hasnogames55 Fedora rawhide has the bleeding edge packages before it comes to Fedora. The packages gets thoroughly tested for almost 2 months by the Red Hat team before it is released. Tumbleweed is also somewhat tested. The only distro you are talking about beta testing would be arch Linux. Moreover, only the first flatpak apps would download more data as they also download the runtimes but after that they use less data as they share runtimes. So, your opinion is debunked !

[@cakeisamadeupdrug6134]

@@rishirajsaikia1323 "Moreover, only the first flatpak apps would download more data as they also download the runtimes but after that they use less data as they share runtimes" wasn't that the entire point of how installing software on Linux was meant to be to begin with, and what happens anyway if you just use the package manager version instead?

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

@@cakeisamadeupdrug6134 don't get me wrong I also prefer an application to be installed through the official repos. But if some one needs additional software not available in the repository or wants the latest stable release of the package, then they use flatpaks.

[@priyanshusharma1812]

@@ps5hasnogames55 I genuinely think Wayland is the future for the Linux desktop, xorg is way too outdated at this point and fedora is doing a great job pushing newer bleeding edge tech onto users, you're just the tinfoil hat kid that's OCD about everything. As for screen sharing in discord, I don't think that's the only thing Linux users do, especially people who use their desktops as workstations. If you compare that to the thousands of improvements that Wayland brings, then you sound really dumb. Flatpaks are the only way that the Linux desktop can fix it's package problem.

[@forestmanzpedia]

Hey, don't listen to the guy bashing another distro. Feel free using whatever distro you feel comfortable with and suits your needs. You don't do anything wrong with Fedora because Linus Torvalds uses Fedora, too. (And if he uses Fedora, then Fedora surely does something right in order not to piss Linus off.)

[@enderger5308]

I will note that Guix has the NonGuix channel which adds proprietary drivers to the operating system. They aren't officially supported, but seem to work well enough for the few drivers I'm missing.

[@patrickprucha5522]

the last time i installed the debian, i ran a utility that checks for leaks or issues. I went through each and every one, and found that debian had incorporated the change to resolve the issues. As you can imagine, i believe Debian is very good!

[@folksurvival]

Was the utility Lynis?

[@patrickprucha5522]

yes and also debsecan. but looking bask it seems that with the recent installment i have forgotten to turn it back on :(. I have a script that runs it on a monthly basis and prints out a report and have it deposited on my desktop and a notification. I need to re-enable it :)

[@COIN_a]

I'm fairly new to linux and i've been having a lot of fun messing around customizing ubuntu server

[@Trafotin]

This video is not for server users. It's for desktop users.

[@COIN_a]

@@Trafotin It's kind of scuffed but i've been using it as a desktop by adding things onto it

[@timmerk7363]

Some of these takes are really incoherent. So he admits that Debian is fine for Servers, but Desktop users need their security fixes instantly? Why would a individual user need faster security than a server, which is at much higher risk? Maybe the point would have gotten across better, if the segment kept talking about security instead of derailing into Features.

[@w01dnick]

Debian has ok security for base packages, so it's ok for servers. OTOH desktop packages like browser are often outdated, which makes clients vulnerable.

[@yurimodin7333]

besides, how many ports does a desktop user have exposed to the world......

[@Aoitori365]

and now in 2023 fedora is considering adding telemetry

[@terryforsythe8083]

Diving into Arch is a great learning experience if you have the time and patience. I like Fedora, but Gnome is the only officially supported desktop. The other desktops are spins. I tried KDE on Fedora some time ago and there were some issues.

[@etaaramin9361]

Arch is my goto distro. I'm only considering redhat and kali for work and security experience. Ubuntu isn't much easier to learn than Arch, and far less well documented. Linux Mint is even nicer, but cant compare to having the AUR. Building SDL libraries for gnu/gcc on anything but arch is a pain in the testicles.

[@ShimmerismYT]

I use fedora KDE and have no issues, are you sure its only with KDE?

[@adameszretov6207]

@@ShimmerismYT I had issues with the KDE spin on Fedora 38, too. after hours of using the computer, the panels just freeze, though everything else works. it was especially annoying that the time on the panel was frozen, and I thought it was two hours earlier than the time actually was.

[@arielalejandro6900]

Thanks for sharing your point of view, first I got hooked by the title but then I've realized was just a click bait, but then I got your point. I also do agree opensuse is a highly under appreciate distro that deserved more love.

[@headrushindi]

OK you obviously have a lot of OCD style opinions , but most are not based in reality. This sounds like a conspiracy theorists rant, or a I hate vent.

[@MrMoto655]

I started with Manjaro, then migrated to Linux Mint and then to Debian. I installed Manjaro 23 just out of curiosity and the very first thing that happened was pamac throwing errors and a memory leak that ate all 64 gigs of my ram. Needless to say I’m headed back to Debian.

[@Trafotin]

Please don't run Manjaro or Debian on a desktop system. Just use Fedora, Ubuntu, or openSUSE.

[@yash1152]

manjaro bad choice lol

[@draugr7693]

Arch is one of my favourite distros. The only thing that puts me off using it as a daily driver is the fact that one update could potentially break the system and i don't have the patience to keep fixing it when it does which is why i'm currently daily driving Linux Mint although i was previously daily driving Fedora for over a year but the current problems with mesa-freeworld breaking the system after updating put me off it.

[@59.9fps]

SteamOS needs a Steam account because that is their DRM for games that one purchases in the library. It is meant for gaming, that too the titles one owns in the Steam library. It is not meant to be used as a standalone desktop operating system, even if there is a desktop mode but only for some troubleshooting which is not possible with gamescope. OS need not have to be designed as one size-fitting all. They can have specific purpose - that way they can optimize and run that purpose more efficiently.

[@Ronin-rk6iq]

The steam deck isn't locked down like most consoles and you can install console emulators(one of the reasons why people buy steam decks) and you can also install heroic games launcher to play games from gog and epic. A lot of things on the steam deck aren't tied down too much to valve software unlike something like a ps5 or a switch.

[@ariathyf144]

Alternative title : VTuber2022 clashes Linux Nerds over The Distro dilema. (featuring OpenSUSE TumbleWeeb) Seriously I loved the Rant without necessarily agreeing over all that was discussed.. distros serve complementary objectives and shares their lessons when ppl test them out. - One man distros are neat experimental platforms and help to decide where to go in a transitional phase, there is a lot of inspiring stuff going on (I think puppy linux was a one man project and it became very mature) - FULLY Libre distros are the deprecated crown-jewel and the real hope of a successful computing future.. seeing how poorly they run on modern hardware is alarming. The political pressure that could force manufacturers to give support to those Libre distros is lacking partially because the deceptive "open-source" movement is winning in its trojan horse approach. - non rolling releases distros become better choices when the internet connexion is bad or you're on the move and work offline for extended periods of time. -telemetry/spyingOS have no excuses.. they are here to reminds everyone what the "open-source" corrupting agenda is really about

[@travisretriever7473]

...You know, somehow you looked exactly how I pictured you in the 0:00 screen given the video's thumbnail, OP...

[@JessicaFEREM]

all debian users I know use containers like flatpak for everything that needs to be up to date.

[@yash1152]

i looked up to install vscodium on linum mate; 1.xx GB download... holly molly, its just ~90 MB download on windows... no way i am downloading that bloat; bye flatpacks.

[@T3R3S4_IDK]

@@yash1152 flatpak tends to overestimate the size of packages, also, you're not only installing VScodium, you're installing a "base" system of a sort, that's why it's called a "containerized solution". (Have you ever installed flatpak outside a software store? If you did you'd know that.)

[@theinceptor3672]

Fedora does have a rolling release version as well, known as Fedora Rawhide... You should totally check it out if given the chance

[@theinceptor3672]

@@ps5hasnogames55 that's kinda true as well, I can't lie...

[@fenixlolnope361]

The Debian part makes me think you don’t know what you’re talking about

[@FahimHoq]

yeah I was thinking the same thing

[@Offsecwrkr]

Personally I use simple distro's like for example Slitaz which actually it is my go to for quite a lot of things which it isn't too simple to use but it is easy enough. As of a fact it is literally the best system in my personal opinion to be used on a daily as long as you know how to use it and well aren't a linux noob and actually know how to install it to a hard disk from the live cd or dvd or usb etc...

[@itzj1nx177]

I am surprised void isn't mentioned at all. Without keeping up with any news and such I was under the impression it was becoming more and more popular. Which categories do you think it would fit in the most from the ones you described? perhaps the arco one right?

[@moister3727]

I've been using Void for a solid year now. No problems whatsoever. Rock solid, constant updates and XBPS is robust, fast and great in general. It's not AUR levels of packages but it's a robust selection. No Systemd though, had a rough time at first but then I got used to workarounds. It is mainteined by a small team of contibuitors too, this guy like doesn't seem to like that concept.

[@wheezybackports6444]

@@moister3727 This guy is one of those r/unixporn retards that thinks they understand a Linux system because they can install i3 or DWM. That's exactly who this guy is. Also void is cool btw.

[@folksurvival]

@@moister3727 " It's not AUR levels of packages but it's a robust selection." It's better IMO because they have everything I've ever needed in their main repo so there's no need for something like the AUR or AUR helpers.

[@moister3727]

@@folksurvival Yeah, but still. Most of the things I want but can't find in the packages page, I just compile it from the main repo (like Discord or Spotify). The AUR is really overwhealming to me at times.

[@calleha01]

@@moister3727 I have been running void on my 32-bit machine simply because arch has no 32-bit version. and I must say that for older computers I find it preferable to arch

[@meem2Greene-ju3cs]

Personally I just use Debian Sid whenever I can and stable in a few cases

[@forsakensrb]

There's so much misinformation in this video that I can't even fathom. Also, it's like I'm teleported to a different timeline version of 2016 and Leafy is a linux user lmfao

[@anonymousc2FtdWVs]

Care to point out the main ones? Im just curious since dont know much.

[@forsakensrb]

@@anonymousc2FtdWVs Where do I even start... zorin-os-census package can be opted out during installation, for starters. It only sends pings to Zorin about daily active users, so that they know if they are growing their userbase, OEM partner batches, and OS version reports (which are used to notify users to upgrade if they are using old versions of Zorin, because it's not a rolling release). Just because Manjaro "freezes" updates for 2 weeks, doesn't mean that your OS is vulnerable. Even if you don't download the latest security updates, it doesn't mean that they are not effective at what they are meant to do; in fact, they usually work long past their due date. Manjaro prides itself on being one of the most if not the most stable Arch based OS out there, but if there is a known vulnerability they will release the update before the 2 week mark where they test the stability. Pretty much all of the SteamOS takes are Alex Jones tier of ridiculous. It's pure logic that when a manufacturer releases a new console, they NEED to collect necessary data so that they can mature the platform and further develop it for better user experience. Nobody in their right mind would buy the Steam Deck so that they can use it as a desktop (even though Valve offers that option, as a pure cherry on top) yet this was one of the bigger points that they had about Steam OS. Steam, the app, is proprietary, so if that's the problem, either don't buy the damn thing, or if you buy it, use it just for Steam. Simple. Ubuntu is pretty much the same as Zorin. At first boot after installation, you will be greeted with the Ubuntu Welcome app, in which you can "opt out" (not sure if I would call this opting out, because, while the "send data to Canonical" is selected by default, you can select "No, do not send any data to Canonical" right there and then, at first boot, so you be the judge if this is "opt out" or not). The data that Canonical collects if you chose to send data to them is as follows: Ubuntu version OEM/Manufacturer Device model number BIOS info CPU details GPU details Installed RAM Partition Info Display(s) details Auto-login status Live Patching status Desktop environment Display server Timezone No locale, no software info, no drivers, not even a username, and certainly not IP addresses or anything such as. The Debian take co-relates to the Manjaro take. Just because they are slower than Arch in releasing security updates, does not mean that you are vulnerable at all, and, of course, if a known exploit is an issue, they will push the updates as soon as possible, which was even easier to find information on because Debian has been around for ages. Considering that this distro is one of the most popular distros, it is insane to think that the Debian team would compromise stability just to satisfy paranoid security fanatics who don't think that "outdated", meaning a version older, version of security firmware would satisfy. The ArcoLinux take is pure insanity. The man who got an animation of an anime character looking around and gesturing is saying that the website, which is fully functional and packed with information looks like it's made in 2009, yet the man is using a window manager that is as barebones as you can get. Arco has its issues, but Erik has put his heart and soul into that distro and offers the biggest collection of desktop environments and window manager versions of Arco, bar none. Furthermore, if this "one man distro" (which is incorrect, but w/e, he's not the only developer) chooses to introduce a malicious code into the distro, guess what, LINUX IS OPEN SOURCE, and people would pick up on it. There is so much more I could write, but it's 5AM lmao

[@Casual.Gamer_0000]

recently tried garuda dragonized, and my computer behaved weird, like i lagging in discord, can't share my screen properly, since only my mouse is wisible, other than that, the whole window is black. and my steam is glitching out... so i decided to try out MX linux... hope it will be better.

[@rons3634]

This was fun. Kinda crapped on the Linux Mint that I've been using for years, but we all have different tastes. Considering moving back to an rpm distro. I can never memorize the package commands for debian-base distros for some reason. Fedora is the most likely candidate since we use Redhat at work. I've tried one or two dozen distros over the years. Biggest pain-in-the-ass: Gentoo. Nothing's as much fun as compiling your own OS only to have the compile fail after 45 minutes of waiting. Fastest: Vector. I'd consider going back to Vector but it's no longer being developed. Biggest pet peeve: OSes that have their own package manager. I haven't shopped for distros in 10 years and I was surprised that OpenSUSE was even still around. Never even heard of DeepIn.

[@TheAtariSan]

For the deck, you can enter the bootloader with volume key held

[@electricalbatross5797]

I’m currently using arch/windows dual boot and it’s working well enough but I’m actually considering a switch to Fedora Silverblue or Kinoite (let’s see how plasma 6 turns out) as my one sole OS. Im sure if an update breaks my Arch install I can figure out how to fix it, but I’m not 100% positive I would have the patience to do it if it were to happen at a particularly busy point in my life. I like the idea of an immutable OS, and just want a single install I can keep on my laptop indefinitely without worrying about breakage. What’s your opinion on immutable distros?

[@andrabtedja]

Try NixOS and openSUSE Micro OS. NixOS is not an immutable distro, but it solved your issue about breakage.

[@tomaintaround]

Also Gentoo (if you REALLY REAAALY know what you’re doing), NixOS, Void and others that I’m not remembering

[@4ngeldus739]

I’ve been using Ubuntu since 2009 and it’s pretty hard to convince me to switch. I’ve ran a lot of other distros since then but I always come back to Ubuntu. I personally prefer to have stable out of date packages than to essentially beta test software. Also I always opt in on telemetry because I like the devs knowing they have to support my old laptop still. I’m considering giving Fedora another shot though but only if the Mate spin is as good as the Mate flavor of Ubuntu. I’m an old head I need my gtk2 styling

[@ikanderson]

Not everyone's reasons for using a PC are the same. Some people want the most cutting-edge software and are willing to bug fix. Some people need software to run reliably and consistently over time (control systems, specific out of support software, etc.), and some people want a balance somewhere in between. Every use case is different.

[@tommycool]

As far as I know telemetry in Ubuntu is about bug reports and how the UI is used. I really don't think they create profiles and track their users.

[@callisoncaffrey]

I don't think Windows tracks their users either. It's just to better their operation system.

[@tommycool]

@@callisoncaffrey You can't really know, because it's closed source. And microsoft is kown to give data to the NSA. Ubuntu is open source and it would be rather easy to check what data is send exactly.

[@callisoncaffrey]

@@tommycool I see you got the joke. Anyway, must be great making up excuses to justify ones actions, but you do you.

[@tommycool]

@@callisoncaffrey Well you know, there's no way to tell if your comment was a joke or not. I have know clue who you are and what your background is. Just like anyone reading your comment. And I really don't understand what you want to say with your second comment. Making up excuses for ones actions? What actions? What excuses? WTF

[@callisoncaffrey]

@@tommycool Seriously? You are making excuses for Ubuntu, because you need to justify to yourself using it. Anyway, this literally proves Linux is for everyone. Thank you for your service.

[@logangraham2956]

gentoo is what i use now days, definitely not for new users but it's fine, well my version of fun at least. i'm actually working through some problems with nvidia right now , APPARENTLY! nvidia doesn't like it when you update your kernel and don't update the driver as well XD. oh boy, when this system dies i'm going with amd instead , this has been such a pain.

[@シミズルリ]

"I have never experienced a single problem with nvidia driver on Fedora" Heh, back in 2017, when I just started my transition from Windows to Linux, Fedora was the distro I chose. Man, I thought - what a gorgeous OS! It was so fast, and GNOME interface was absolutely mindblowing - everything about Fedora was, like, a polar opposite of windows (in a coolest way possible)! But I couldn't figure out how to install nvidia drivers. First I tried the default way - go to the site, and download drivers from there. Simple, right? Except no one told me that this way suck. Installing a .run file was stressful AF, and I couldn't log in to my system after an update. So instead of fixing stuff I just reinstalled the whole OS because that was just a lot easier, and then installed nvidia driver by using a command line, like all cool kids on Linux do! ...And then after a while I couldn't log in to my system after an update *again*. Never tried Fedora since then.

[@TheB3n0]

Currently Fedora is so smart, that if nvidia driver fails, it will fall back to nouveau. It has blown my mind when something went wrong while installing them, and it didn't break X11. It just said that it's going to use nouveau while booting. It won't install nvidia drivers for yourself, which sucks. But it will boot just fine even if you mess something up

[@forestmanzpedia]

Maintaining Nvidia drivers is such a pain in the ass. These days however it's much more better and you can get even GUIs to install Nvidia drivers with auto-detection. Things have improved over time.

[@PS3PCDJ]

21:20 Counter point: Most people think they know what they are doing, but in reality basically nobody knows what they are doing

[@qtamomusic7620]

Good video though I don't agree with everything. I have been using Mint Mate for a long time, and it has never really had stability issues (it has been much more stable than e.g Kubuntu was when I tried it, but the Mint Mate version doesn't come with a bleeding edge Mate DE). Also unlike Ubuntu, it doesn't have whoopsie and it doesn't have snapd running in the background hogging all the resources. So I wouldn't write off Linux Mint completely, it's a great noob friendly distro IMO.

[@johnmal5975]

I put cinnamon mint on my wifes computer. She has been using it for years no problems. Her computer skill is she knows how to turn the computer on and her skills end there. I always recommend a mint version for newbies or peppermint os. Simple to use, light weight and most important just rock solid.

[@johncalorino675]

@@johnmal5975 What do you recommend for Surface Pro users (no Linux experience)?

[@johnmal5975]

@@johncalorino675 That can be a tough install. Which surface pro do you have? It's like a chromebook there are different work arounds depending on which one you have. Here is a link for a surface pro 3 install. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJTFoaVsipxqq5I

[@brainstormsurge154]

3:52 It's a desktop environment not an operating system. Please don't confuse the two. Pardon me while I switch from the GNOME operating system to the KDE Plasma OPERATING SYSTEM!

[@TashiRogo]

Doesn't Fedora have opt-out telemetry?

[@Trafotin]

No.

[@Amos_Huclkeberry]

Manjaro doesn't freeze security updates.

[@nyankers]

personally I switched to openbsd, it's not simple from a new user perspective, but it's very simple to do most things from a power user perspective

[@RogerWilco486]

Looks like Fedora is going to be opt-out telemetry now, too.

[@yash1152]

source? _"Looks like Fedora is going to be opt-out telemetry now, too."_

[@meskes4059]

There’s a change proposal that has been in a no status, for how long? Since at least 38. It’s probably not coming anytime soon.

[@spicynoodle7419]

ArcoLinux only has a couple pre-compiled packages from the AUR and you can remove the custom repos. 99.9% of the software comes from vanilla Arch.

[@termitori]

For ME, Ubuntu is working, as a Linux user for 20 years. But in the future distribution will become obsolete, replace with wm/container/pack format (snap flat appimage etc).

[@termitori]

i have use debian , gentoo, fedora, mandrake and ubuntu, for package management APT DPKG work very fine, RPM sorry , RPM in my memory is slow ssssssssssssslllllooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and bad. last time of use of mandrake or fedora ... 2004 maybe. 2000 migration to linux debian , 2004 no update for app , make me crazy , testing gentoo , mandrake fedora ... oh ubuntu begin , ok testing ubuntu , ubuntu since. last desktop experience with debian 2020 , for a work computer..... firmware problem , drivers problem, feature problem .... ok ubuntu again. Ubuntu have downside like any distribution, but choose mater. For the future making a host system with container and WM per users or use with a graphics wm login/kiosk manager it is my dream, separate system into protected slide.

[@2zz98]

Sorry but the one with not using debian as a desktop is complete bs. Debian is really good in patching vulns fast. Everything else is old, yes, but it works. If you want/need cutting edge, ok, go for something else. But if you want a stable daily driver, why tf not? If you're having trouble with a specific problem that results in something breaking because it's too old of a version you may fix it manually.. but if something breaks because it's too new and it's in the main repo - WAY bigger headache if it's your main system. This seems like the typical arch-user circle-jerking smh. Not intending to offend you, but not everything outside the newer is better philosophy is automatically wrong.

[@jonaskeepauthor1935]

My attitude toward which distro to use is "do I want my distro to work for me or do I want to work to maintain my distro". Since I want to actually get things done, I stick to debian and red hat based stable releases, specifically debian and fedora, arch simply wastes too much of my time.

[@pennyandrews3292]

I've always thought Fedora was good in theory and it is generally what I want from a Linux distro if I can get it to work on my hardware... but I've never had good luck getting it to work properly with my hardware out of the box. I always wind up having to dive in because the "magic" breaks and I have to do advanced stuff to get past all the niceties that are supposed to save me work to get into the system and make it work in the first place. Even as recently as 2021, it just wouldn't work and I wound up having to use stuff like Manjaro or Mint to get something that just worked out of the box on my hardware (though point taken, I could have used Ubuntu instead of Mint and Arch instead of Manjaro, but those have their own problems). There's always something wrong with either my new Intel iGPU, sometimes it can't do dual displays, sometimes my audio doesn't work, etc. Fedora is clearly meant as the base for RHEL, and it shows. If I were going to rip Fedora, I would say it has all the flaws of RHEL, but lacks the stability of RHEL-based distros like Oracle Linux or AlmaLinux. Given that you like rolling release though, I wonder what you would think of CentOS Stream? That sounds a lot like Red Hat's answer to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Also, I used to use Gentoo back when I used Linux, which forced me to learn a lot about what was possible with Linux... now I use OpenIndiana which is based on OpenSolaris, and found I like that better. One thing I think people don't understand is that a lot of newer applications suck, they are moving towards a more mobile/touch UI and ultimately software has stopped getting better and has actively started getting worse. That's one reason why a lot of people are into enterprise distros that let them keep their old stuff with security updates these days. Because the new stuff sucks and is missing features in some cases, and they want to hold off on having it forced on them by necessity as long as possible.

[@Winnetou17]

Good points! But, maan, please split your wall into multiple paragraphs. It's tiresome to read it all like this.

[@CorneliusCornbread]

I do wonder what hardware is giving you such issues on Fedora, I've had no issues with compatibility. Maybe give Nobara a try? It's based on Fedora but has gaming patches and the latest Vulkan Mesa drivers built from source

[@anonl5877]

Thank you for this video, it was very helpful. A few months ago I got the idea to switch to Linux, but there were so many distros to pick from that I got intimidated. I chose Fedora, and it's been a very solid experience.

[@yash1152]

hi @anonl5877 ! ppl here saying fedora's dnf sucks, what would u say? _"1 year ago • I chose Fedora, and it's been a very solid experience."_

[@brayden1129]

Arch and Gentoo are in the same category for if you dont know what your doing stay away from them.

[@loveatomb]

no they're not. arch is like the easiest distro to get into if you actually use the wiki instead of weird video tutorials that delibirately leave out important info to get more engagement. gentoo is slightly harder to get into

[@brainstormsurge154]

I really appreciate this video. Trying to find the best distro and desktop environment for a family member that can't upgrade to Windows 11. With Windows 10 being deprecated so soon, honestly ridiculous with how long Windows 7 was supported, I'm on the hunt for the quintessential distro for tech unsavvy grandma. Based on your input I'll probably go with Tumbleweed so now to figure out the desktop environment. I personally started on PopOS (stupid name) just to learn a Linux system and gamed on it plenty. Switched to Garuda Linux because I liked the out-of-the-box look. Now I'm learning how to build everything from scratch, in a virtual machine, and will soon do migration from Garuda to vanilla.

[@grzegorzgk31]

I used arch but it destroyed itself with update. Now i use Debian Sid.

[@Ghfvhvfg]

Great opinion for a beginner distro I installed Fedora no problem waht so ever.

[@kidgoku1984]

Loved the video, but it's wrong to recommend Fedora to a beginner. The problem is it forces the open source Nouveau driver on the user, and requires the installation of 3rd party software such as RPM Fusion to get Nvidia Drivers up and running. Many people may find this a huge barrier to entry.

[@nicktyrin4401]

Bruh, rpm fusion repo with Nvidia drivers is offered to install at first boot, and the driver is then available in the gui application store

[@kidgoku1984]

@@nicktyrin4401 RPM Fusion is offered in the installer of Fedora itself? If that's true, then I take back everything I said. When I tried Fedora a while back I didn't see the option, but that's a cool change if what you say is true.

[@nicktyrin4401]

@@kidgoku1984 yeah, they added it recently. It's in the welcome window that appears on first boot, there's a checkmark to enable rpm fusion for Nvidia and steam

[@kidgoku1984]

@@nicktyrin4401 thanks for sharing this with me! I think I'll give Fedora another try soon.

[@nicktyrin4401]

@@kidgoku1984 no problem. Good luck!

[@absmustang]

hmm, food for thought. I’m tired of my distro.

[@littlemac5942]

Im sorry but your wrong, i cant run fedora on my 32 bit PC hardware like i can on Debian

[@lexcelius6921]

In 2 or 3 years you won't be able to update it anymore

[@nikhilchouhan1802]

That was some epic roast at 26:18 Literally made my day lol!

[@nootums]

Aside from steam deck, I agree with almost all the points you've said in this video. DNF on fedora is a pain though, have been using fedora since F32, and dnf is one of the most frustrating things I've had to deal with.

[@PPKNexus]

If I may ask, what about dnf is a pain(asking as someone who has never used a RHEL distro)?

[@nootums]

@@PPKNexus it is excruciatingly slow at times. not while downloading the packages, but while updating the local repo caches, and "determining fastest host"