Linux Sucks 2024

[@orbatos]

Who knew Microsoft coming into the Linux Foundation and community representation being dropped was a conflict of interest... Anyone paying attention.

[@cimbakahn]

I noticed that 6-8 years ago.

[@Eriadel]

The Microsoft ( pentagon - this is the major source of their current funding ) will most likely kill Linux like they did with Nokia and their phones. Microsoft is a member of the great big tech family like Apple and they all play in one and the same big tech team. What they want and need is hidden monopoly.

[@TheBadFred]

WSL is the only thing that works on AI PCs

[@nathanbedford9178]

Yep, as soon as that happened I knew Linux would either stay on the fringes or become just another Microsoft. The Apple doesn't fall far from the tree either.

[@pornhubmante]

@@nathanbedford9178 its not and it never will if you know what you're doing you're going to own your computer. Microsoft owns your life if you dont.

[@krunkle5136]

We stand on the shoulders of nerds that used model 33 teletypes to write shell utilities.

[@iusegentoobtw]

I laughed way too hard at this

[@1414tyty]

That hit hard 😂

[@orbatos]

Not wrong

[@AnnatarTheMaia]

Except that they were not nerds, but academics, true computer scientists.

[@f67739]

after learning about lisp and some other developments in computing over the years, it is insane how ahead of their time a lot of these nerds were, but sadly whether it was funding, the market or the feasibility of these technologies only a few of them actually survived or evolved to where they are today. its mindblowing to me to think that all these new shiny developments with AI and the 2020s is really just a reinvention or reintroduction of a wheel that someone else did 70-80 years ago, but couldn't get off the ground

[@NikiDaDude]

Seems like it's not Linux that sucks, but the people and companies who were supposed to manage and oversee it that suck. It's all so tiresome.

[@Assenayo]

This is why I'm not really that angry about GNOME hiring a Shaman, beats hiring tech CEO given how they all behave these days.

[@joshallen128]

I mean you need the money you need the capital to develop and pay people which Red hat seems to do as well as canonical the big players I mean for community that works either on donations for commissions it just not sustainable issues also with hardware I'm trying to build all this stuff from scratch without having to deal with Intel or AMD

[@drownthepoor]

@@joshallen128 What do you mean build all this from scratch without AMD/Intel?

[@drownthepoor]

​@@Assenayo Oh no, I'm scared to ask. Maybe this will be mentioned in the video?

[@unagisama5476]

No it still sucks, it remains a half baked Desktop experience. It only got worse with DEI hire.

[@FcBow]

Linux and open-source software largely being in the hands of... problem people is very concerning. There are only so many places you can run before you're out of OS/software options.

[@JPs-q1o]

The craziest and worst thing to happen in Linux was a GlANT RAlNBOW CoC being shoved down all the Open Source dev's and user's throats in 2019. The second craziest was the first-degree incident with Hanzo Reizori in 2008.

[@urooj09]

​@@JPs-q1owhat's your issue with rainbow 😂

[@slaapliedje]

​@@urooj09Ha, it is less about issues with rainbows and more about the issues of rainbows about certain people.

[@dj-ce9ir]

@@slaapliedje so youre just a snowflake whos offended by rainbow people? yeesh

[@kpcraftster6580]

@@dj-ce9ir "rainbow people" 😂 I'm not saying it's /aliens\ but it's /aliens\

[@DevanandPA-vq1yj]

People used to say "Contribute to free and open source projects to keep them going". However, it seems that most of that money goes into other stuff. The problem seems to be that big tech is robbing the poor donations that we give to FOSS projects.

[@JodyBruchon]

Meanwhile I get less than $2 a month to work on jdupes...so it's not a priority.

[@sqlexp]

Never do donation or charity. All people involved and not at the giving end have only one thing in their minds: greed.

[@vetrixfx9264]

wasnt the Void Linux guy saying he doesnt need money but maintainers or something like that?

[@doa_form]

Corruption exists everywhere Siphoning funds for other purposes is as old as time

[@SnekNOTSnake]

Looking at you, wikipedia

[@Smittron]

The Linux pioneers are starting to move on and retire. We'll see if the next generation can sustain the momentum.

[@mrright1068]

You will likely get more social engineering and not software engineering.

[@JPs-q1o]

Well, judging by the increasing number of airplanes falling out of the sky related to DEI centric companies it's not looking good.

[@MortalisPT]

We could see the resurgence of FreeBSD 🤌🏻🤌🏻

[@slaapliedje]

Ha, finally the big one (adobe) has screwed up enough that people are willing to switch to something else. Sadly, Affinity is also not available for Linux.

[@justanaveragebalkan]

The difference is that their generation had the support, as someone that tried to work on OSS software for the past 10 years it simply doesn't work. It doesn't matter what you do, the foundation wont give you funding, anything OSS related loops back to the foundation when you try to target that because that's how search engines work. So in the end your left with a software that works but has no users doomed to fail. The problem is not the funding it's the reach you simply can't get people to hear about whatever you're working on, they aren't doing their part in pushing OSS software out there, the only thing that they work on is personal and personally related projects whitelist ignoring everything else that doesn't make them money. I used to really pro free software but then i realized it's actually easier to sell something than to convince people to use it for free.

[@chrimony]

Red Hat has been playing "hide the ball" with the source code for decades.

[@XionicalXionical]

the tarball.

[@geekinthefield8958]

Well, when people start cloning SuSE and undercutting their engineering costs then SuSE can start playing games with their source code too. It isn’t Red Hat’s fault that so many in the community bite the hand that feeds them.

[@chrimony]

@@geekinthefield8958 Red Hat is riding on the GPL. If they don't agree with releasing source code and people copying it, there is always BSD.

[@JPs-q1o]

​@@chrimony If RedHat becomes a BSD variant it's all your fault for giving them the idea 😁

[@slaapliedje]

​@@JPs-q1oBSD isn't on the DEI train enough for their new overlords.

[@fluffymcdeath]

I see smoke coming from the Library of Alexandria.

[@bobmcbob4399]

Extinguish?

[@joshallen128]

Internet archive

[@chrismay2298]

Bingo

[@timpanic]

Great album title!

[@ChristianWagner888]

Amazing overview of Linux news I mostly never heard anywhere else. Instantly subscribed! I wonder if many of these developments are intended to undermine Linux as we know it, like Microsoft is known to have done with: “Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE)

[@AIR-Dmnshn]

I know right?

[@somegeezer4058]

Conspiracy theorists are weird.

[@imeakdo7]

I thought that went away with Ballmer

[@CM-mo7mv]

it's Bill effin goats

[@Ay-xq7mj]

Really wish OS's werent so shit. Is one of the big software black holes.

[@slaapliedje]

Back to the Amiga...

[@Ornithopter470]

Write your own then

[@Ay-xq7mj]

@@Ornithopter470 Farm your own food and make your anti biotics. Perform your own surgery. Your iq big is not. Cant understand normal thinking.

[@rhone733]

@@Ornithopter470 Working on it.

[@zazaway]

Choosing an OS: 💩, slightly less 💩

1. The Linux foundation makes me angry to an extent that I cannot express in writing. 2. Snap is basically the only Ubuntu thing I don't like (and then how Ubuntu Server seems to be the Fisher Price toy of the server space), but all of the other experiments were cool and interesting. 3. I love what System76 is doing, I hope they succeed. 4. IBM sucks and I don't know why FOSS companies have started selling to people like Oracle and IBM if they started by being super into open source. Greed trumps all. 5. Apparently someone uses SUSE. 6. Debian has been Debian for decades, and I have great faith that it will continue to be Debian in the future. Debian is eternally fine and immune to hip trends.

[@luizmonad777]

I hate it more than Microsoft now

[@carloschu7127]

Are the Central Planners, planning to shut down OpenSources ? Forcing people to use MacOS, WinOS, ChromoOS ? Otherwise, the Central Planners wont be able to implement total " Spyware" in our computer.

[@andrewfournier8817]

@@luizmonad777 System76's desktop is already pretty usable. It's pretty good: I like it better than Gnome (but I don't really like Gnome lol)

[@orbatos]

​@@luizmonad777You realise Microsoft is on the board *and* the train there's no community representative right? Everywhere decisions are made that undercut desktop Linux you'll find them. Except Shake, because that was apple buying out a small company (NothingReal) providing a product that didn't even have a Mac version just to crush it.

[@orbatos]

Re: 1, see above. Re: 5 I was shocked too.

[@slaapliedje]

To be fair to most of the reporters of Linux stuff, the big thing is the Steam Deck, plasma 6.x and they did all shout out how evil Redhat closing up source was... but I definitely think more should talk about the racist red hat lawsuit.

[@justhecuke]

I think we need to move away from moralizing about the sustainability of software projects. They were kind to make it free for the time they did. Now that they are in a desperate position, they should be able to try and monetize it properly. It is the height of arrogance to be an entitled beggar.

[@markgomersbach9265]

Gentoo, didn't become a binary distro, it alwaays had support for binary packages, and now upstream has build jobs to precreate these binary packages. That's the _only_ thing that changed: we host more prebuilt binaries now.

[@johnnymcaffrey6178]

You are right, I think he used it like this just for video just for a show, don't think serious

[@Zeftax]

@@johnnymcaffrey6178 If he knew, that is even worse, as that would be intentionaly misleading.

[@brendanmurphy8727]

"Debian is fine". Whew, that's a relief.

[@CCJ1998]

That's why I keep it as my fallback OS. Interesting how Lunduke didn't say anything about Arch.

[@JPs-q1o]

XZept in one particular area...

[@Kwijibob]

@@CCJ1998No news is good news for Arch.

[@slaapliedje]

​@@JPs-q1oMy understanding is that was patched rather quickly and only affected Sid/Trixie?

[@Sylveowonium]

​@@Kwijibob lest it end up like manjaro news...

[@АндрейЕлескин-л8с]

Every OS sucks in 2024

[@neilpatrickhairless]

Every THING sucks in 2024

[@bobmcbob4399]

@@neilpatrickhairless certainly every piece of new media sucks! No "modern audience" will be buying that up.

[@vit.c.195]

Not mine. Continuously working 9 years on same i7 6700, updated yesterday, and not give a reason to change anything in this.

[@15placekd]

templeos my beloved

[@pwnomega4562]

​@@vit.c.195 That's a CPU, not an OS.

[@cimbakahn]

I told everyone (as soon as Microsoft purchased github) to transfer all their files to another website, but as usual no one listens til it's too late.

[@ЮрийДолотказин-с4ы]

Same did I, and indeed no one listens.

[@gameboygrill9353]

Wow I didn't know that, what alternative do you utilize?

[@majorhumbert676]

GitLab, self hosted

[@tyrabjurman3584]

Debian could cease to exist and no one would notice until 10 years later when no new stable version is released.

[@crackpippi]

There are plenty of testing/unstable Debian users...

[@benotsilent6703]

That's all I run.

[@SirBapkins]

Time to fork the Kernel? I suggest we call it Lunnix.

[@CCJ1998]

I really do see something like that happening once Linus is out of the picture. You think Linux has too many distros now just wait till it's too many Kernels.

[@Henry-sv3wv]

@@CCJ1998 I guess i'll just use the default EndevourOS Kernel.

[@kpcraftster6580]

Lundux

[@justanaveragebalkan]

Forking the Kernel is not the issue, the issue is getting the funding to continue the development, also marketing to reach people, and lawyers to fight legal issues. It's a failed mission, it will only be downhill from here on.

[@Henry-sv3wv]

@@justanaveragebalkan easy, all we need is a script kiddy that will maintain the fork :P

[@dullahangaming5107]

I had no idea what I was getting into with the title, but this turned out to be surprisingly fun and informative.

[@AIR-Dmnshn]

Same here ✋🏻

[@justanaveragebalkan]

Money should always go to the developers not management, the fact that there is a Linux Foundation means that we already failed our mission.

[@joshallen128]

But the licenses allow it, the gnu gpl is a royalty free license

[@justanaveragebalkan]

@@joshallen128 Licenses are the biggest scam created, if something is free, why do we even need a license for it? Simple so we can have few people in America that profit from it.

[@justhecuke]

If you don't have management, then you're going to have incomprehensible designs and zero interoperability. Management is necessary. As is planning. And design. And discussing with other interested parties. If a random dev starts writing code, they can very easily cause problems. And the foundation is necessary as a legal entity to prevent a single person from owning the code and closing it up whenever they want to. Or selling to some Chinese malware company. You don't understand the role the foundation or management plays. Perhaps learn why they are there first before asking for their removal, or chafing at their upkeep.

[@dadlord689]

​@@justhecukeFor Linux to suck this much for so many years... I would doubt management

[@justhecuke]

@@dadlord689 it's a hard problem, fundamentally speaking. Blaming management for that is just silly

[@tigros999]

they should give a million+ to the guy who discovered xz backdoor so early, it could've been the end given more time.

[@securitron5]

IIRC it was in fact a Microsoft engineer

[@amongussuss341]

Hi luke im a gentoo user binary packages arent mandatory i still compile everything from source. The decision for adding binary packages if i recall was to give users more choice and that was reiterated on the news item about the binary packages PS: some big programs like firefox, the kernel or libreoffice already had binary versions rather than compiling from source, i personally used the binary for libreoffice and yes you can mix binary programs and source compiled programs portage is a really great package manager. Its also really good if ur installing gentoo on an old laptop you dont have to compile certain large packages. Now ofc the use flags dont work for bin pkgs which it makes sense as a maintainer you dont want to compile 5 different versions of vlc one with opus one without opus one with opus and flac one with flac but no opus

[@noname-ll2vk]

My Free Desktop keeps sucking year in and year out. Once in a while I have to interact with Windows or OSX and am immediately reminded of the truth of the Linus Torvalds comment that all operating systems suck, Linux just sucks less. Theo deRaadt would probably correct that with: all operating systems suck...except OpenBSD

[@geostokes8573]

OBSD iS genuinely my favorite system to run as a cli Unix workflow, but it is not easy to get up and running on. NixOS is legitimately unsuckful, definitely the doesn't suck experience for a Linux distro.

[@noname-ll2vk]

@@geostokes8573 I find OpenBsd delightful. With i3 wm easy to use, easy to upgrade, and was easy to install. Linux supports more stuff but Theo and the gang do great work, always doing the most with limited resources.

[@joshallen128]

​@@geostokes8573I've seen to Nick sauce have been like a package manager

[@joshallen128]

Free BSD open BSD netbsd ghostbsd

[@P.Mantis-nw3xi]

*_"Linux just sucks less"_* Watch "Linus Torvalds on why desktop Linux sucks" Most people want to get work done or just game, in a Linux desktop OS that means troubleshooting countless times every week... no thanks.

[@FrancisMeetze]

All Linux updates (including the Kernel updates, Linus) went wonkey this past year. Red Hat is completely lost. What happened??! To be fair though, Apple and Microsoft are going the same way. Let's don't even talk about Android. Instead, lets talk about what started this mess in the first place (, maybe it's the post Pandemic lockdown blues closely followed by Uncle AI?) It's more about losing sight of what open source means. Instead of "What can I contribute", it's more about "What can I take". When there's no more learning, I suppose we have AI.

[@neilpatrickhairless]

we live in a world where machine learning specialists worth multiple millions of dollars or year involved with actual haute rocket technologies can barely figure out how to make TWITTER work without too much incident as they're being farmed out by their schizjob boss

[@tomprice5496]

The Mac OS kernel has source code from the freeBSD project. Private enterprise has been stealing code from the open source movement from the very start. Any donation to an open source project is basically a free contribution to all of it's private competition as well.

[@obulatov]

From Linux Foundation Annual Report 2023: > Linux kernel support 2% ($7,804,150) > In 2023 the Linux Foundation is forecasting to spend over $269.02M supporting our mission. 7.80M/269.02M = 2.9% They did a weird rounding in their report. While there is a drop in the Linux kernel funding, it isn't that huge. What's even more depressing is that the absolute numbers have also decreased.

[@JodyBruchon]

Linux Foundation is a leftist lunatic funding front. Same as GNOME Foundation.

[@imeakdo7]

The pandemic tech bubble has burst, remember big tech are the ones funding the Linux foundation

[@ichrismoku]

I will NOT rest until Red Hat Linux is run, managed and developed by a powerful inspirational Woman of Color called Shaniqua. We need to recognise than binary distributions are HIGHLY discriminatory against non-binary distributions and other highly regarded neurodivergent distributions.

[@qbasic16]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@obscene-c1]

u have all the signs of someone who's mind is stuck in middle school

[@wind2536]

​@@obscene-c1ah, I see. It's not that you didn't see the video. It's just that you're actually a racist too.

[@minuteworld7027]

@@obscene-c1 and you have all the signs of the teacher's pet.

[@staticoverlay]

gnaa made something like that...

[@TimPageC]

We are living in an AI hallucination, clearly.

[@KertaDrake]

With compounding errors.

[@TúrósCsusza-o8j]

Funniest part that AI servers are running on Linux.

[@calmvolatility2787]

It’s not even the fun type of hallucinating

[@alomac8976]

Let's be honest: who would really be upset about ubuntu killing off snap?

[@xritics19]

Me. Snap works well. It's not perfect but it's the same with flatpak, deb, rpm...etc. A good snap is easy to use better than other package.

[@alomac8976]

@@xritics19 doesn't snap have performance issues?

[@Winnetou17]

@@alomac8976 That slow startup times, last time I watched a video about it, was largely been addressed. Also, if waiting literally 2 extra seconds when you open a program is that much of a concern.... then I feel sorry. The running performance was already on par with flatpaks, IIRC. The other side that xritics briefly mentioned, is that you can have anything as a snap, including daemons, system tools and I think, even libraries. That is, some things you can have them as snaps, but not flatpaks. From what I remember, a good example of that is Nextcloud, the cloud server software - which can be installed trivially as a snap.

[@MrWorshipMe]

​@@xritics19snap is spamming the filesystem

[@xritics19]

@@alomac8976 It depend. I use it with Chomium, Brave, Firefox, Joplin and others. Firefox is a bit slow to start sometimes (max 1 sec). Brave and Chromium start instantly. In use, i don't have any issue. Steam with snap is fast but some games don't start. I use Steam with flatpak, it's really slow compares to snap package but all of my games work with.

[@nezunskyfire292]

I hope KDE hires a Dragonborn Bard, they need all the support they can get these days.

[@cheezy2455]

It shows ! They are finaly listening , and putting out release fixed dates just like gnome so lets hope in the future it helps.

[@siriuswinter1065]

i am 3 months late. But i still gotta post it here since i've not seen it in the comments: "Every OS/Software sucks, but we gotta decide which one sucks less"

[@replikvltyoutube3727]

PLAN9 MENTIONED !! 🗣️🗣️

[@JPs-q1o]

Great. Still waiting on a shout out to VMS.

[@elias-ou2sp]

@@JPs-q1o lisp machine >>>>>

[@smorrow]

Where?

[@thewiirocks]

@@JPs-q1o I'm gonna sit over here reminding everyone that Extremely Reliable Operating System (EROS) and its successor CapROS are a thing...

[@movax20h]

Me laughing in Debian. (Non stop since 2001).

[@tomatoplay999]

Shoutouts to the Gnome Project Shaman.

[@Assenayo]

Given how experienced tech CEOs have been running Linux into the ground, props for doing something different I guess

[@V1CT1MIZED]

Yeah she just dinged lvl 70

[@MyAmazingUsername]

I heard that the Shaman stepped down to focus on being a Shaman full time.

[@sajiretto]

Suddenly my friend who has separated his networks at home where his trusted machines cannot talk to ubuntu or windows and has blocked access to a ton of sites (microsoft, ubuntu etc), does not seem as crazy as 6 months ago.

[@justhecuke]

The main problem is that tech folks get paid too much to work for free. Why would I turn down 500k/yr to start relying on donations from random crazy people on the internet? And how can a company justify spending engineer hours on it without monetization? While the idea is nice, these are highly skilled, highly desireable professionals. They are expensive. And the ones willing to throw that away for free software tend to be crazy. Once you start relying on donations, you turn into those graft-ridden non-profits who spend more on PR and advertising and marketing than their "core" mission. Because their sustainability, their monetization, is begging for money, not solving the problems they say they are solving.

[@act.13.41]

This brought out some serious butt hurt in February. Let's throw some salt on those wounds and aire this again. 🧂

[@JPs-q1o]

The craziest and worst thing to happen in Linux was a GlANT RAlNBOW CoC being shoved down all the Open Source dev's and user's throats in 2019. The second craziest was the first-degree incident with Hanzo Reizori in 2008.

[@1337penguinman]

@@JPs-q1o I decided to go ReiserFS on one of my old Slackware installs but it killed my entire filesystem for some reason.

[@f67739]

@@JPs-q1o cant find anything about hanzo reizori. seriously just one link on some dude's foss twitter but can't even find that post. qrd?

[@sgameirojr]

You know what, Haiku and SerenityOS are looking pretty good right now. Maybe even move to TempleOS.

[@joshallen128]

Haiku I tried feels like classic Mac from my youth Serenity I haven't tried Temple os is amazing

[@sgameirojr]

@@joshallen128 based.

[@jakobw135]

Bottom line: You're painting a picture that - the writing is on the wall, and the situation is off the wall - asking the question: is Linux going the way of EXTINCTION!?

[@iusegentoobtw]

Amazing talk as always, Lunduke. I've watched all of your Linux Sucks talks, and they are the highlight of my year ~~

[@JohnCastleSmokeless]

If racism is wrong (and it is) then it's wrong _no matter who the target is._ And if it's "not racism" _depending on which race it's aimed at?_ Then that only compounds racism with _cowardice._

[@JPs-q1o]

I didn't shun bigotry just to swap bigots.

[@sqeaky8190]

Yeah, but there was no racism here. DEI initiatives are common and exist specifically to combat racism. If you google up any article about the red hat racism claims you will see how one-sided this coverage was. A racebaiting jerk was being racist and fired for it, then claimed "they fired me because I am white" when in actuality nearly all of IBM and Redhat was white so of course most of the layed off/fired people were white.

[@threblog]

Racism isn't wrong. Diversity is a cult based on bad science, superstition, and lies

[@thewizard5291]

Do you mind if I quote this? This is a fabulous quote.

[@sesanti]

Dont even bother bringing this up, most of these activists are racists themselves. So mentioning anything similar to what you've just said, or how this kind of reverse racism creates racial segregation, will get you labeled as a bigot and banned from many places.

[@Rico.308]

Well since I’m white guess ill just never again use red hat products.

[@mankaner]

And if u are straight you cant use suse either. Lets not even talk about the lgbtq linux foundation.

[@obscene-c1]

what

[@wind2536]

​@@obscene-c1go to one hour into the video. Red hat employees had to literally take an anti white pledge. Absolute insanity.

[@obscene-c1]

@@wind2536 literally lies and propaganda

[@AJ-po6up]

Well you'd better add Debian to that list too..

[@jimmyking92]

I've switched from Windows in 2014 to Linux Mint, from 2015 Debian user. I was totally oblivious that all this is happening because Debian is just fine, always the same, no drama.

[@SA1G0N_]

Gentoo is not a binary distro, it offers the ability to download binary packages (good for old laptops with slow CPU's), but it is definitely not mandatory and compiling from source is still the recommended way.

[@TheAechBomb]

exactly. now consider what else he swept under the rug because it was inconvenient to his narrative while making this

[@eat.a.dick.google]

Gentoo fools always being fools.

[@martinkrauser4029]

@@TheAechBomb what else did he sweep under the rug because it was inconvenient to his narrative while making this?

[@ElMarcoh]

I feel the linux and VGA output part, so many cringe memories from my college years being the "weird linux guy"

[@peniswrinkle-jr]

Cringe is not an adjective.

[@TheOnlyAndreySotnikov]

I use Arch. I am glad it wasn't mentioned.

[@bastardferret869]

By the way?

[@matthewmarchese]

Gentoo was also not on the major list...

[@camarade42]

Because no one really use it in professional environnement, btw.

[@seeibe]

​@camarade42 What does professional mean? I use it for work since a few years now. Not on servers, though.

[@camarade42]

@@seeibe yes, I talk about servers.

[@Netist_]

It's really hard not to notice how more and more and more people in positions of power in these foundations made to support open source development are completely non-technical... What a horrible time to be alive. We should have gatekept harder.

[@ustrucx]

big lawsuit hitting ibm and rh. glad you mentioned the stories.

[@KertaDrake]

I feel like the question shouldn't be "What happens when Linus retires?" but rather "What happens when Linus keels over from someone trying to get an exceptionally stupid commit into the kernel?" Like is there a clear line of succession in place in case of stress-induced death when someone tries to rewrite code to be more efficient but does it all in c#?

[@KTSpeedruns]

I can only trust the opinions of Linux users when they're willing to say Linux sucks. And yes, this dead horse NEEDS to be beaten. If Linux is ever going to thrive or take over, things need to change. Evidently, what the community is doing now is not working. Especially the endless forking I keep hearing about. I love and resonate with your joke using a Firefox update as an example. I swear, most change notes are just an included package upgrading to a new minor version for minor bug fixes that aren't really felt by the end user. It's like "libwhoknows updated to version 0.1.1" and "libwhocares updated to version 0.9.1" or even "random-name text editor updated to 5.101.6 - recolors syntax for java syntax mode". Linux community gets way too excited about minor updates that don't get us anywhere turning Linux journalism into a desperate straw-grasping industry. It's hard to believe open-source is democratized by nature. I highly doubt a shaman would have been installed as ceo by vote from the community of the project they oversee. I remember the shift from MacOS 9 to OS X. It was bright, it was new, it was sexy, and it was awesome that it was willing to leave code behind and told developers to update their stuff or get left behind.

[@CCJ1998]

After watching all this part of me just wants to uninstall Linux sell my computer and go live in a cave. I guess it's all which devil is worse and right now Microsoft and Apple are far worse. You can start to see them sink their claws into Linux and using it for their whims in the Linux Foundation. Maybe BSD might be a viable alternative in the future but in the Open Source spirit if you don't like how something is done just Fork IT!

[@asumazilla]

Caves suck too.

[@ghost-user559]

We still have Bsd. For now.

[@joshallen128]

​Maybe a future which we all use BSD@@ghost-user559

[@joshallen128]

​@@asumazillawhat about a person cave

[@joshallen128]

You need money to go independently develop your own version and that's what most people are starting to figure out

[@MohAmuza]

I began learning Linux Mint in a virtual machine last week, and I'm already enjoying it. I plan to spend more time mastering the basics before fully transitioning.❤

[@minuteworld7027]

LMAO

[@MorganNilsson]

Linux Mint is awesome. Good choice.

[@elias-ou2sp]

Unix/Linux is not even built for the present, much less the future. We need to start over and bring back the Lisp Machine.

[@bogaagames2706]

We should all have adopted Plan 9 from Bell Labs..

[@joshallen128]

​@@bogaagames2706wasnt that released freely

[@orbatos]

Looks like I'm going to keep sticking with Debian for the foreseeable future. As for Fedora, Conner on guys you knew this was coming.

[@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section]

I miss the times when “Linux Sucks” was performed / recorded in front of a live audience.

[@MarktheRude]

I am not sure if you just described a year in a dysfunctioning insane asylum or a software project. This whole show was basically one hour of "wtf are they doing?"

[@earx23]

It's 2024, and Linux is still a server OS. It's perfect on server, and a headache on everything else. As an embedded dev I have a special hatred for USB in Linux (don't get me started), and a more general but somewhat less fiery hatred for System D (you've added services, but have you ever tried _removing_ them.. and have you ever been a sandboxed root, bro? it's a special experience).

[@chriss2595]

You said it all in three sentences.

[@snorman1911]

I've been running Linux on every laptop and desktop PC I own for the last 10 years. Not going back either.

[@lordmike9331]

0.5% budget used for linux 2024. I can feel it.... The budget will go towards farm management (W?)

[@andrewfournier8817]

I try to avoid both Gnome and Redhat; thanks for making me feel good about that :) Once again, i suspect we all ought to get on board with BSD earlier rather than later

[@georgebetrian676]

I think, yes. BSD is having a bright signature in my radar too.

[@AntranigVartanian]

we have better LTS, better hypervisor, better containers (Jails), better packaging and better compilers :D we just suck in marketing xD

[@andrewfournier8817]

@@AntranigVartanian All true. I have a 3 year old laptop in good shape with an nvidia 3060 and I like plasma 6 as a desktop. That might be a bit of a learning curve. But I already dumped systemD based on systemd devs boasts about taking more and more system functions (and that glitch where it erased /home directories). Guess it's time to start learning on an unused partition that I freed up

[@joshallen128]

​@@andrewfournier8817ghost bsd

[@zulowski]

I've always liked the FreeBSD mascott, OpenBSD's too...

[@Astinsan]

should put together a DVD with all your Linux sucks speeches on them. I enjoy them.

[@DarkLink606]

I guess you will need many. Or a blu-ray.

[@saccharineboi]

I don't know if I should feel relieved because someone is covering these topics or terrified because the moment we lose you the linux journalism is kaput

[@joshallen128]

Everyone unalives

[@ajplays-gamesandmusic4568]

It kinda makes sense that IBM/Redhat would stop supporting Libre Office. TBH, I wish the major Distros would stop including it in the ISOs, for the sole reason that there are numerous cloud-based Document Editors that are good enough for the average user. Microsoft doesn't include the Office Suite in the OS... so why is Linux including that Bloat? (I'm not saying they should halt development of a Linux based... locally installed Office Suite, and I'm certainly not saying they should remove it from the repos... it just doesn't need to be part of the ISOs. What I'd actually like to see, are more Distros with a Guided/Custom install option where you can say "I don't want that Office Suite, I don't want that Media Player, I don't want that particular File manager.... let me choose my own, or none at all).

[@kpcraftster6580]

Binaries for gentoo makes sense, so long as the exact source code from which they were compiled is provided. _That_ is the distinguishing factor: no programs for which the source code is not fully available. The binary provided for a kernel should produce exactly the same program as compiling against that same kernel without any custom flags.

[@fg-zm2yu]

Time to move away from Ubuntu for me, and at the same time, make sure not to give money to the Linux Foundation, give the money directly to the developers.

[@frfrankie23]

Thank you for making this every year.

[@itrtr]

Whoa. I've been using Linux for about 5 years now. Did not know 2023 was that insane.

[@Valdraya]

maybe i'm just dumb but i always wondered why linux users use a site owned by microsoft to essentially host the code of all their programs. people (rightfully) distrust microsoft because of stuff like recall, is there anything to stop them hosting and serving such malware from github?

[@bobmauranne6829]

I may have missed the point of your last statement... But if you don't trust your host, give them only the chest to host, without the key to open it. Don't store clear data to cloud, store only encrypted files and don't trust their own mechanisms.

[@camarade42]

It might be time to learn the story of git and github.

[@imeakdo7]

Github is used by developers so malware that is not marked as such will be and has been a cause of controversy about the site, no code hosting site can be free of malware because it can also be used for educational purposes

[@tappy8741]

MS didn't create github, they bought it. There was some migration when the sale happened but github is the central place where code dev happens so unless you're a big project or are happy with nearly no eyeballs on your code github is the defacto only option. If you remember years ago Lunduke left youtube because it wasn;t open source or whatever, he's back now because guess what he needs viewers and the viewers are here.

[@camarade42]

@@tappy8741 gitlab maybe.

[@karmatraining]

Wow, I had no idea there was so much drama in Linux world.

[@neilpatrickhairless]

Dude there's so much drama in ALL worlds. Somewhere, somehow, someone right now is destroying a kid's lemonade stand because lemons make the air in the neighborhood smell weird

[@meatybtz]

Linux Foundation is about as accurate as Mozilla Foundation. Graft, corruption, politics... etc.

[@GreyZone7]

Windows sucks. Linux sucks. Apple sucks.

[@Stripes404]

Always how I pictured it.

[@livinginharmony360]

agreed, freeBSD, OpenHarmony, Oniro master race

[@martinkrauser4029]

@@livinginharmony360 these... these also suck

[@qantas-pt6yv]

Man the shaman part was crazy. I literally couldn't stop laughing. Shaman and GNOME, Seriously!! 😅😅😅😅😅

[@V1CT1MIZED]

KDE needs to employ a demon hunter to counter them

[@Waifu4Life]

Pretty sure Valve invests more money in Linux by developing SteamOS.

[@IfritBoi]

Bro's beating the dead horse so hard he revived the dead horse just to keep beating on it. In all seriousness though, the amount of stuff Linux survived through is pure insanity just from 2024. I can't possibly imagine what 2023 was going through. That being said, Linux still feels more of a viable option than Windows even after seeing all this simply because of Copilot and Recall.

[@jakeparkinson8929]

I will agree with you, most distro's are close to junk. I need to figure out how to correctly setup freebsd.

[@jozsefizsak]

Linus said he sold his RedHat shares many years ago to buy his modest house in California, perhaps in Silicon Valley, where real estate prices were already insane back then.

[@BlakeRGardner]

I can't seem to find the first Linux sucks video. Does anyone have a link to it? I remember seeing it many years ago and would love to see it.

[@Bruneron]

Comment for the algorithm, and to let you know to keep up the fight! You're a hero in my book. I work as a programmer so about 50% my digital life is Linux based (the other 50% is macOS) and I'd never have known about 80% of these things (esp. the Red Hat/IBM and Linux Foundation... worrying, worrying stuff...)

[@zweibier42]

I am pretty happy with my Ubuntu 24.04. Having said that I had to install "minimal" Ubuntu server, get rid of snap and netplan, and install minimal KDE plasma. took me a weekend. I'd prefer to go with the Debian, but their Nvidia drivers' support lag, to say the least.

[@V1CT1MIZED]

That's crazy. I can install Windows 11, debloat it, install my apps, and be gaming within the hour. I can do the same on Fedora and EndevourOS too.

[@VivekHaldar]

Your research and depth of coverage is unmatched, and you shine light on things nobody else does. All Linux enthusiasts owe you a debt.

[@steinbauge4591]

Maybe Harmony OS will help.. It's not finished yet but I noticed they were talking about how Linux has had backdoors installed similar to Windoze. Now, Russia uses Linux to get away from that so maybe these can be neutralized. (Astra Linux was developed for use in the military and administration)

[@donaldc3884]

Professional shaman....professional con artist is more like it.

[@sorucrab]

This seems to be all planned to obsolete Linux and make it so obsolete that people can't access it and they will be under watched on Windows or MacOS

[@gruntaxeman3740]

Linux isn't going obsolete as long as it is defacto standard in cloud infrastructure. I'm not also worrying about UI, because company size of Google or IBM it is cheaper to pour money to open source UI than switch to Windows.

[@GabrielVilanova-n3p]

Linux is the fastest server ever, companies love it, no wonder they pour millions in money in it to optimize the code as CPUs processing power growth has been stagnant for a good while, there's barely any difference in processing power among them nowadays, and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon, thus the companies needing to optimize their code so they can get as much performance out of their machines as possible - that and of course ensuring all the money invested in the physical structure (hardware, CPUs, etc.) was worth it... so I don't see them dropping Linux for BrokenWindows server. Never. Period. Meanwhile desktop Linux is simply non-existent. It sucks and it will suck forever for the average folk, except for programmers or power users with such a strong will to learn how to fix a Linux installation after inevitably something breaks, which is surely going to occur as one misinformed joe modifies the file system because he heard it had to be done to increase muuuuuh performance or some other no sense after listening to a rather terrible advice watching a YT video made by a self-proclaimed Linux expert. Not that's any different for Windows, of course.

[@gruntaxeman3740]

@@GabrielVilanova-n3p There is major inefficiency in current cloud infrastructure: Network stack in kernel. It should moved to userland to avoid slow kernelspace calls. Companies would not change to Windows but in distant future Linux may be changed. Desktops in top of Linux... I don't think they suck more than any other desktop. Desktops sucks universally because no one cares desktop. That is reality over 15 years. Last attempt to rethink user workflows was likely Unity desktop from Canonical and that failed. Future of desktops is that they are marketing platforms, or they should really focus on users that really use their computer on big screen and manage resources, local machine or others. Casual user desktop is usually one extra step to launch browser, and resources are usually managed by someone else.

[@prezentoappr1171]

You do know KVM QEMU and many more exist? Also fork like proxmox

[@mvargasmoran]

280k for Gnome, Linux Desktop is a pipedream. The desktop needs about the same amount of money that Apple gives to it's desktop development.

[@bilbobagend8155]

Why do companies care? They're practically doing the work for free. More FOSS projects need to start soliciting donations, especially big ones. A lot of contributors are doing it as a hobby. Imagine how much more productive they'd be if they were also making actual money from their work?

[@mvargasmoran]

@@bilbobagend8155 I would very much like for a lot of devs to leave their jobs for an open source one and live off donations. The issue is the Foundations around this projects, those are not like us, they don't have a hobby project, they are just speculators, activists and the rest of the worst of the Software Industry™

[@BernardoHenriquez]

The linux foundation has lost the horizon

[@kc_c4]

I think (now) is more like cash gruber for making money to own business

[@joshallen128]

The wonder is gone

[@diogenes_of_sinope]

01:04:44 Yep Debian is fine, actually it's my favorite even Operating System.

[@mytech6779]

Sure, but most of us prefer uneven operating systems.

[@jonduke4748]

Linux is a headache and doesn't run any apps I need. Wish we had a serious competitor to Windows that wasn't obscenely overpriced (apple)

[@Napalm6b]

They say any business lasts 3 generations. Linux seems to be on track to follow the same pattern.

[@Tubeytime]

Does spending on the kernel actually benefit development or is it like throwing so much fertilizer on your crops that it blocks the sun?

[@lorddeus369]

good question, I believe so. testing, research could also be done besides normal PRs

[@bilbobagend8155]

I think the point was less that they were spending a smaller percentage on the kernel, more that an insane majority of their spending doesn't go into anything even related to Linux.

[@fabricio4794]

Linux Sucks while Ms Windowz are going down the hill

[@faciality]

theres a wave of incoming users to linux, especially in the past month with windows recall. hopefully these issues get more attention and coverage

[@V1CT1MIZED]

Don't worry; by the time it gets attention, those users will have gone back to Windows. Linux struggles with retention rates, and the grass isn't always greener as they

[@hopperstreams4487]

The Shaman would have my support if she fired ebassi

[@paullee107]

Oh boy. This is gonna be a good one!! Isn't it funny that earlier years talks were championed by the entire Linux community - same Lunduke; hmmmm what happened?? 😂

[@Chag69420]

Insert *current year* where everyone who doesn’t tow the line is a Right Winger 😂

[@paullee107]

@@Chag69420 *toe. And ding ding ding!

[@michal7x7]

It became all politics and boredom.

[@JPs-q1o]

The craziest and worst thing to happen in Linux was a GlANT RAlNBOW CoC being shoved down all the Open Source dev's and user's throats in 2019. The second craziest was the first-degree incident with Hanzo Reizori in 2008.

[@kpcraftster6580]

@@paullee107 *tow Put a toe out of line. But tow the line.

[@texaslinux]

YAY I LOVE LINUX SUCKS

[@milesprowerxinfinity]

I love Linux and not having to use a Microsoft account just to use it.

[@Ryet9]

hold up, is this the GNU/Linux action show guy?

[@Jankoekepannekoek]

Did anything happen on the Arch side of things? I missed them in the 'distros' section.

[@linuxforpunks]

Undergoing most serious impacts of any distro from Neofetch going unmaintained :smile: Similar to Debian because where Debian has non-sucky central organisation, Arch is minimalist about centralizing at all. RTFM ethos is perhaps colliding with rising popularity.

[@averagejoey2000]

​@@linuxforpunks arch users just use hyfetch now. we gay furries.

[@johnwest7993]

None. I had 16k of RAM in my C64 and it could sing the Star Spangled Banner while shooting color fireworks on the monitor. It's all a matter of using the RAM for what you need, not for useless features.

[@Jango1989]

I didn't like this episode, can we ask 2023 to try again please? That was insane😢 Thanks for covering this though Brian.

[@reactionaryprinciplegaming]

Imagine if we had a Linux Action Show in 2023.

[@maxdjently]

Haters!!! Bryan Lunduke never acted like a thug in his life. What made you think he was anything like you.

[@indethbed2546]

so u are a old-programmer turned journalist. so a journalist who understands technology... so a technologist journalist? u are perfect

[@tutacat]

Linux... finds a way. Debian will be fine.