Liquidsonics CINEMATIC ROOMS vs SEVENTH HEAVEN - Which Do You Prefer?

[@musiklab]

And here’s where you can find both the reverbs: Cinematic Rooms www.liquidsonics.com/product/seventh-heaven-professional/ Seventh Heaven www.liquidsonics.com/product/seventh-heaven-professional/

[@aviatedviewssound4798]

it depends if you wanna stay with the bricasti hardware sound or if you're looking for a realistic room emulations, while the bricasti can also do it but still imparts a little bit of sweetening if you don't like a certain room tone that cinematic room imparts, bricasti works almost on everything but the cinematic rooms is tailored more for people who makes classical music and movies (composers per se).

[@musiklab]

@@aviatedviewssound4798 Lovely comment! Thanks :)

[@pierretombale3745]

Which is the "best" ?... or which one preserves all the definition of the source? :) I think it's the blue The coloring of the reverb as such is a matter of taste or context. But in any case, if the reverb destroys the signal, it doesn't work.

[@DomzTunes]

The Orange one no doubt. Sounds more natural to my ear.

[@1wibble230]

Blue all the way, because its far more natural sounding, has the presence of a real space.

[@amusik7]

I preferred the 7H on all the samples here - truly beautiful and natural sounding reverb!

[@musiklab]

A fine choice! Great that you have your fav 😁 Thanks for commenting!

[@RobinZV1]

great comparison. i have both pro versions and both have their unique strengths. CR has a more upfront sound whilst 7H has an enveloping and melting quality. i opted for CR Pro due to the amount of presets and additional controls-primarily the reflection and reverb chorus engines, reverb echo, additional reflection control, the width control is so crazy good, and the crossfeed options.

[@musiklab]

Thank you Robin! Lovely that you’re enjoying them and lots of control. Love your “enveloping and melting quality” description!

[@MortenHjort]

Fun test! I own both versions (Pro) and I'm still not decided which one is my to go to verb (love the chorus on the CRP for guitars). Here I think the 7th is a bit more musical or fun, but there's a slight slight metallic ringing in the tails. The CRP is more "just there" and more anonymous. Perhaps a bit more realistic, but also a tiny bit more boring. Both are absolutely brilliant though and I guess its all about the use-case. I do love however to work with an algoritmic reverb like CRP.

[@musiklab]

They both have so much to offer for the right occasion. Lovely to read your thoughts about them!

[@FrancoMaldonado96]

Have you tried the Reverberate 3? I was thinking about it

[@MortenHjort]

@@FrancoMaldonado96 if the question was for me then yeah. It's one of the best deals in regard of what you get. But all in all I'm not so fond of messing around with IR files. Vastly prefer to turn knobs instead although you can argue it's possible with Reverberate

[@musiklab]

@@FrancoMaldonado96 I haven’t. Will have to check it out 👍

[@gmichaelhall]

The early reflections of Orange are just superb. I particularly like them on the upper mids. The blue sounds more exciting and thicker. I'll take both thanks

[@musiklab]

A fine choice taking both 😛

[@cerridwenrowan]

Blue is cleaner... And literally sounds like it comes from a bigger room

[@musiklab]

Interesting! Love hearing what people are hearing from this. Thanks for your comment 😁

[@efnerva664]

I like to use both of them. Prefer the CR as a room reverb, it blends very nicely into tracks and gives a cohesive space. 7H is great as a vocal reverb, beautiful tails.

[@musiklab]

Fantastic aren’t they. Agree, 7H is excellent on solo parts

[@eren3390]

The blue one sounds too clean in my opinion (maybe because it's an algorithmic reverb?). I like the orange way more, it sounds like a real room.

[@musiklab]

Lovely description of what you’re hearing with them 😁

[@TheSteveSteele]

I have the entire suite. I use them all for different reasons. But I really like Illusion and Reverberate 3. They’re all good. Illusion really goes deep with the ER eq and dampening, and the Tail eq and dampening.

[@musiklab]

Been hearing good things about Reverberate. Will have to check them both out. Cheers!

[@NickHintonMusic]

I liked the orange by quite a margin.

[@musiklab]

A fine choice Nick :)

[@skyko]

Yes, it sounded as if the ER's were up a little too loud on the Cinematic Rooms, kinda overshadowing the tail.

[@matrixate]

Not much of a difference when the music is good. A better test is with an ensemble and vocals. This test wasn't enough.

[@musiklab]

Completely agree. Ideally we’d want multiple styles and size of tracks to compare but that would make for a very long vid. Wanted to do a quick comparison.

[@ep1cn3ss2]

Cinematic room sounds like a simple filter, while 7H sounds true, just higher quality in general, realistic

[@musiklab]

Definitely know what you mean :)

[@MeditativeSpaces]

It is very interesting, how different people prefer the one or the other. I have the CR and I can very easily recognize its sound. I find the 7H far superior. Thanks for the clear comparison!

[@musiklab]

Completely agree with you! It's all very subjective. Happy that you found the comparison useful :)

[@anonymoustrusty483]

As everyone says the CR is "way better" than the 7H... when the comparison started I immediately thought "OK the orange is the CR, and the blue is 7H - really boring". But my man, the 7h is the orange one, so I'm going to absolutely JUMP IN.

[@musiklab]

Love your comment! A reminder why it's always good to do proper blind tests to counter a bias of our own or others ;) They're both excellent reverbs - just depends what you want from them in the track you're working on. Enjoy jumping in!! :)

[@SamuelJIMarks]

I’ve got them both, mainly using CR right now and yet to really get stuck into 7H. It’s certainly all contextual. I tend to lean on CR more so for big modern cinematic mixes where clarity is required to avoid too much confusion and blending. 7H is probably more suitable to compositions emulating a natural space where the instruments can ‘sit’ in the room and blend. What do you think?

[@FrancoMaldonado96]

Hi man. I can't believe that!! I have the Seventh Heaven Professional, but in the blind test, I really believe that the "orange" was the Cinematic Rooms... but it was the 7th... incredible... love that sound 😍😍🤩🤩

[@musiklab]

Happy you liked it Franco. It’s always good to do a proper blind test to challenge our perceptions isn’t it. Cheers!

[@FrancoMaldonado96]

@@musiklab yeah man! happy new year and cheers!

[@matthewtrenhaile1176]

7th heaven was sooo nice

[@GenuineHeather]

I have Cinematic Rooms and just love it. I'm thinking about upgrading to the professional edition. What do you think?

[@musiklab]

It is a wonderful reverb isn't it! If you love it do you need to upgrade? My understanding of the pro is more tweaks and surround control which I definitely don't need. Do you?

[@GenuineHeather]

@@musiklab - More control, more presets, etc. The upgrade was only $120 on sale so I went for it. I look at it this way. This may well be the only reverb I need for years to come. It sounds as good or better than units costing many times more. Seems like a good investment to me. :)

[@musiklab]

@@GenuineHeather Sounds like a good approach to me! If you're loving it and get everything for not a lot then it's a bargain and investment. Enjoy using it :)

[@cfs]

@@musiklab I've had people tell me it's all in my head, but I noticed a difference between standard and pro for stereo sound to the point I had to buy the pro, despite the price difference (not too bad on sale with some loyalty discounts). It had to do with the early reflections/start of the tail. The pro version sounded more natural and beautiful to me. The additional controls are nice, too, but it was about the sound. It's not like I wanted to spend more money on pro for fun! As for 7th Heaven Pro - I have it, but it really really makes it sound like you're using a reverb, and it can noticeably change the original sound. Sometimes that's the point. But not usually, for me.

[@gregorypara]

J’ai pris les deux, je pense que la différence ce fait surtout sentir par le nombre de pistes dans l'orchestration, avec Cinematics Rooms, on peu mélanger beaucoup de pistes sans créer rapidement de la boue dans le mix. Pour un son plus intime, avec moins de pistes, la seventh devient interessant, après, pour les plus courageux, on peut aussi envoyé toutes les pistes dans une seul instance auxiliaire et smatcher toutes les salles de reverb de seventh et cinematic rooms et voir laquelle ira le mieux avec le son. ^^

[@musiklab]

Merci pour ton commentaire Grégory ! J'ai aimé le lire et entendre vos réflexions sur les réverbérations :) [hope that makes sense via Google translate!]

[@INeedsMoneys]

@@musiklab oui oui. Une bagguette. Une parfum.

[@nikklardelight]

blue

[@philnorris9179]

what a fine voice you have sir!

[@Drfresh1402]

CR truly sounds like actual rooms. 7H is louder in these samples and is more colored. But I prefer CR for these samples.

[@musiklab]

Lovely to hear your thoughts on it Delon. Thanks 😊

[@nadeemahmed2622]

They both sound different to each other in the video with their own setup. The audio clips are sounding a little further away in Seventh Heaven with a longer tail comparing to Cinematic Rooms. Cinematic Rooms sounds thicker than Seventh Heaven. Thanks for the comparison.

[@musiklab]

Love your description of what you’re hearing. Thanks Nadeem!

[@beauthebarbarian4348]

@1:00 you talk about a 9gb download vs a "Cinematic Rooms 180 mb" Wowzaroni. It is quite likely my ears aren't as good as others who have watched this - but in digital reality - funny thing is - how the heck can a 180mb download - sound anywhere close to a 9gb download.. (yet it does) Very much appreciate your video.

[@musiklab]

Happy to hear you enjoyed the video :) It is mad how big the download difference was. Doing a quick look at the Audio Units, Cinematic is 48MB and Seventh is 42MB. The rest I'm presuming are the accompanying files. They are different beasts and very good and size isn't everything! I wouldn't put your ears down - what matters is which one you prefer ;)

[@MortenHjort]

One is algorithmic (100% code) where as the other one is using IRs (wavefiles). That's the difference. So size is not really relevant when discussing what one likes the most

[@musiklab]

@@MortenHjort Completely agree with you.

[@lattetown]

I liked the blue one...which makes sense since these are orchestral sounds. It would be interesting to compare the two on pop vocals...because the orange to me sounds more like that style of reverb.

[@musiklab]

A fine choice! And I completely agree with you, different things going through them will make a big difference to which one we'd prefer. Cheers!

[@davidpereira4455]

The modulation on Seventh heavens tail is Great

[@musiklab]

Will have to focus on that myself and compare. Thanks :)

[@syntheticuse]

Cinematic Room’s tail is way smoother

[@musiklab]

It certainly is a tasty tail 😊

[@jimrogers7425]

I actually preferred Cinematic Rooms. It felt a bit more dense in the early decay… more lush.

[@g.p616]

This guys voice is like melted chocolate! A career in voice over beckons!

[@NikolaNikitaJeremic]

I'd love to see your workflow with Cinematic Room in an orchestral mix, and maybe some starting presets for each orchestral section? :) Pretty please? :)

[@AdamsBrew78]

Would love to find a comparison of Cinematic Rooms vs Strymon Big Sky plugin vs Valhala verbs… So many amazing options in the. Sub $100 price range, I’m trying to find out how much justification there is for the pricier ($200+) options.

[@musiklab]

Thankfully a lot of companies do free test periods so we're able to compare for ourselves a lot. Not sure all the ones you mention do that.

[@Dan-kb2oz]

Get Seventh Heaven Standard instead, it should be $49 soon. It's a STEAL!

[@bhavearth]

@@Dan-kb2oz yess mee waiting for their black friday discount, its not there yet :(

[@Dan-kb2oz]

@@bhavearth Just looked and Black Friday deals are live on their website now. Up to 70% off depending on the product. Cinematic Rooms is 37% off at $249 down from $399. Seventh Heaven is now just $49. I’m after Tai Chi which is 50% off. Tai Chi Lite is just $29! Don’t forget to use coupons too if you already own any of their products.

[@bhavearth]

@@Dan-kb2oz AMAZINGGG

[@Y_ruba_al]

something about the orange that I like better than the blue...orange all the way

[@Drfresh1402]

Piano sounds incredible with Rooms.

[@musiklab]

I wholeheartedly concur! 😁

[@lukeskirenko]

I've noticed that the Bricasti always sounds great on single instruments, and that may be because one gets to hear the tail in isolation, which warmly recedes into a background zone. But I'm not sure that this quality would work so well on complete tracks.

[@musiklab]

Lovely thought on the use with solo instruments! Interesting about complete tracks - have you not tried that yet? We all have our preferences. It's my main one at the moment.

[@moreausylvain]

sound is important. But the most important aspect is multichannel no ?

[@musiklab]

I don’t understand your point. Multichannel is more important than the sound of the reverb? Please expand.

[@skyko]

If you are mixing in multi-channel, then yes definitely. Of not, then no.

[@javilaroid]

thank you!

[@moonchild7862]

To be honest, I couldn't tell the difference

[@Gearstudio18]

No difference, why dont you play just wet reverb? This way it will be easier to hear just the effect, dry signal way to loud! I just did test Seventh Heaven vs Bricasti M-7 Hardware, same program names, sound drastically different, in my opinion 7th heaven sounds a bit boxy more mids around 400-1000k area, M-7 sounds more defined and complete, no need eq correction..

[@musiklab]

A very interesting view there. Also shows how very subjective all this stuff is and how we all want different things to help us. Understand your approach - mine is wanting to hear the reverbs in use to give a comparison that way. That make sense?

[@blaisse777]

Software can be better than hardware? 🤣

[@niktwix888]

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