Horseland Did Not Age Well

[@djkitkat2045]

Honestly as a horse girl, this show isn’t too inaccurate about how horse kids treat each other…

[@thedailybullshit4033]

TRULY I was a horse kid for 11 years & the shit I dealt w/ over that time period is providing substancial financial security for my therapist.

[@gcmc3947]

an unsettling amount of adult equestrians still act like that -- and are seemingly quite proud of it.

[@DreamIllust-o9m]

yes horse people are stuck up everyone knows that

[@iclynnx]

​@@gcmc3947No joke. Horse people can be mean, traditional even if it's detrimental and incredibly arrogant. I'm saying this as someone who is a horse person. Well, want to be. I've ridden and all, been researching horses, is into studies about them, watches horse content, etc. Too poor to own a horse and take many lessons these days, is all.

[@R_S747]

Yuup

[@xelith6157]

The fact that someone runs off into the wilderness in every single episode is hilarious to me.

[@stonersiren]

and the horses keep getting injured!!! like maybe they shouldn't let the 9 year olds be in charge of the animals

[@shoujokadyan5502]

They're 12 but yeaaah

[@IceRiver1020]

​@@stonersirenTo be fair, horses are amazingly talented at getting sick or injured even under the best circumstances, but the number of times its caused by negligence and overwork in the show is wow.

[@liljatupsu]

The show is currently airing on a Finnish TV channel and I've caught a few episodes every now and then and thought it was just a funny coincidence that every one I saw had someone run off. Guess not!

[@hannah_eq14]

@@shoujokadyan550212!? I thought they were teens lol

[@umbreonic766]

the designated nice girl have the edgiest looking horse to ever be designed was always SUCH a power move

[@rosiered6712]

EXACTLY

[@neymiiie]

Honestly? Iconic. I love when “girl shows” let one of the nice girls be edgy

[@Victoria-_]

FR!! Scarlet is definitely the coolest horse design

[@chickofmusic001]

I agree 😌

[@SigmaRho2922]

Sarah’s blonde hair, which occasionally covers her eye, looked so nice. She was my favorite.

[@thebadshave503]

"She doesn't trust him because he gives off evil horse vibes. And he doesn't trust her because he's an evil horse" is a magical summary

[@sophie_twain]

Horseland designers should have an award because all of the colours on the horses look so satisfying and good together that it's hard to choose the favourite one.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Exactly it really is

[@Talyxie]

TRUE

[@luigi7834]

YESSSS the horse designs are so good

[@sail4170]

A decade later I still want calypso N scarlet n button n Chile n pepper and all of them

[@PuppyBreaths]

prolly where all the budget went

[@Jughstice]

Also I love that the theme song is all “we’re the best friends” while the characters are awful to each other in literally every episode

[@eggfroggowo]

lmao same

[@elfridagrey8771]

One of my fave tropes in mid-2000s shows pffff

[@sketchyskies8531]

This

[@Enixon869]

just imagine how they treat people they DON'T like

[@thisisavivistanaccount7866]

no fr. Lots of show have a “friendship” group where they don’t even act like they like eachother

[@cowboycalico]

the horses being horse racist to sunburst for being a paint was always especially insane to me considering button is a paint 😭 this show dude

[@tivaspotato]

the phrase horse racist is sending me

[@eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh]

​@@tivaspotatoi was just about to say the same 💀

[@JJ-tn4mp]

I guess she's one of the good ones. 😅

[@Name-yv2zq]

They really made paint sound like a slur

[@Kai555100]

Pepper: "No button, you are one of the good ones"

[@TheEmbrandt]

27:51 Ah yes, the Rudolph message: As long as you can prove that your differences/disabilities are useful, you deserve respect

[@0deadx21]

So predictable that that is how they did it. I mean, come on, the Hunchback of Nowhere from _Courage the Cowardly Dog_ didn't have to prove anything to be deserving of kindness, or the person making fun of him to just magically have a change of heart.

[@RedtailArt]

Rudolph the Red-Nosed reindeer: any and all deviations from the status quo can and will be punished unless they are proven to be exploitable by those around you

[@lilysflower9685]

Same for spookley the square pumpkin(the movie at least). They bully tf out of a literal infant because he isnt a carbon copy of them, they chastise him with a song, and make fun of him for not being able to complete some games. But once a storm comes and they all might die, spookley uses his differences to his advantage to help everyone. All of a sudden everyone loves him, even the guys who started the bullying. I hate when kids movies do that, like they’re telling black/brown/disabled kids,”your only useful if your serving/helping, ‘normal’ members of society.”

[@Chxrrypieee]

Also reminds me of Naruto. Most people in his village treat him like he is a plague and then they love him once he saves the day.

[@WadeAlma]

I'd say the Rudolph message was you should be able to appreciate people's differences. You can be surprised by what someone different than you can do. Weird your take away from it was so negative.

[@coolboyyo654]

nani really showed up to this ranch and experienced nothing but racism like why did she stay

[@SpiceNSplice]

honestly she was way too nice to zoey and chloe in her introduction episode she should have humbled them lmao

[@jocelynecupcake]

People often handle racism differently depending on how much they experienced in their life. Plus, maybe she was more focused on riding horses and looked at things through an optimistic mindset?

[@Grimeygrotto]

If I was her I would’ve left tbh

[@tarotsushima3332]

​@@jocelynecupcakeIt's a precedent that's set even with the disabled character that they're just supposed to suffer gracefully through bigotry. Some people do approach bigoted responses with a 'Water off a duck's back' attitude but having that be how most minorities experiencing racism are displayed does have adverse effects with how often people irl get told they're overreacting to offensive actions or being told to be the bigger person

[@justsomerandomperson6699]

I’m going to guess som me sort of oportunity

[@sully42O]

chloe and zoey were the definition of “i can excuse racism but i draw the line at animal cruelty”

[@honda-akari]

I mean animal cruelty is worse than racism. One is physical, the other is just...offensive.

[@yohann3825]

@@honda-akariracism leads to violence what the hell are you on about?

[@ToasterOven_]

@@honda-akariThat is debatable, while both are horrible, they are both horrible in their own aspect. One is a detriment to the structure of our society, while the other is a damage to the moral standards of how to treat a non-human being. I feel racism can be considered worse when taking slavery, lack of rights, and violence towards another race into account. This is only an opinion, however, seeing as morals are generally opinion based.

[@jambove]

@@honda-akari racism can quickly lead to violence and/or cruelty on a large scale and i wouldnt compare two very broad subjects as to which is "worse".

[@kichikitsu]

​@@honda-akari... do you know what racism actually entails mate. racism is backed by systemic oppression of racial minorities in most cases. which absolutely, 100% leads to not only mental harm and trauma but also physical harm. hell, native women have a much higher chance of being murdered, sa'd, or both compared to white women for a reason. (the reason being native women are seen as more disposable - less wanted and therefore less likely for the perpetrator to be caught than if they targeted a white person.)

[@offbeatkiki]

the horse also having an accent is absolutely sending me

[@PramkLuna]

Cows apparently have accents so ig it also applies to horses

[@darnellbillings9733]

Dude it’s the freaking best. Just. Every new sentence is pure Voice Over drunken one night stand level effort. Like, trying but such sloppy delivery.

[@sirmoony5633]

I also love how Li used the chew toy squeak sound effect to bleep the word "ass." It's pretty funny! LMAO

[@prageruwu69]

do you know what an accent is 💀 literally everyone who speaks has an accent, that's how language works

[@ItsMuffinTimePls]

@@prageruwu69Uh yeah, I'm pretty sure we are all aware of what accents are. That's not really the question here lmao

[@elizabetharmstrong6300]

Fun Fact, my old day care sitter was the actress who played Sarah and like every other week we would watch an episode or 2

[@CosmicAlliance03]

That's so cool!

[@Dassa__971]

Did she also voice the girl in Dino squad too!

[@nhorsey12horses]

​@@Dassa__971omg someone else who knows both, I was obsessed with both shows as a kid and went crazy when I realised it was the same voice actor!

[@Dassa__971]

@@nhorsey12horses real I watched them all the time

[@jupitersabyss5045]

Horse people being mean as h3ll is actually incredibly true to life💀

[@jupitersabyss5045]

The barn drama is insane

[@MM_Country]

@@jupitersabyss5045 ain’t that the truth 💀🙏

[@Hirundo-demersalis]

This isn't TikTok, you don't need to censor "hell"

[@grimsyn8174]

@@Hirundo-demersalismaybe it’s literally just what the feel comfortable with, no need to be a bitch.

[@anthropoflower]

Is it cuz they have horse money? 😢

[@axtxmn563]

The most emo looking horse being so nice is an absolute power kick

[@laraalvarezzz2]

YES HE IS LIKE A SWEETHEART

[@asteroidrules]

Almost brilliant in a way. A big problem with "don't judge a book by its cover" plots in children's media is most character design in said media deliberately conveys character traits visually, undermining said message.

[@marvelousmia]

evil looking bc its black?

[@candicoated2001]

While making the pastel and white horses mean, like they ate with that.

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

The one representation they get right, and it’s emos.

[@anzuaoix]

Something I think about ALL THE TIME is Sarah saying “clothes can be replaced, horses can’t” and Clozo saying “of course horses can be replaced?” And their horses, who have been The Worst all episode, going “oh shit”

[@KrytenKoro]

When was that?

[@anzuaoix]

@@KrytenKoro the first episode, when she first gets there i think

[@sparxstreak02]

Mind you, it’s easy for Sarah to say any clothes can be replaced (especially expensive ones) since she herself can afford them (or rather her dad can) since she comes from a rich family. If Alma, Molly or Nani ruined any fancy riding gear they owned, it’d probably be a while before they could afford to replace them. So although Sarah’s my fav character, it’s a bit pretentious of her to casually say clothes can be replaced so easily in that context.

[@SolLinnea]

​​@@sparxstreak02.. Sure, randomly yeah, but you forget that it also has the line horses cant.. Even if you were to buy a new horse, it'd cost a lot of money. Treating the injury had it gotten worse? A lot of vet bills and treatment cost. In comparison to ruin one set or clothes, when you're clearly rich enough to even own a horse? Yeah. Clothes can easily be replaced. And that isn't even mentioning the emotional bond or attachment to a living being.. What kind of message would it send if she was more concerned for her clothes than the literal injured horse? This is a kids show.

[@SolLinnea]

​@@sparxstreak02Besides, all of them are clearly well off aswell. They clearly could replace their clothes.. They own a horse. Not sure if you know this, but they are EXPENSIVE to own in the long run. Just because Sarah is more well off than them, does not mean they are poor.

[@LakeGael]

The cat death thing really fucked me up as a 36 year old adult man who loves cats 😢

[@Rainn8426]

A cat died in the show?

[@greenthinggg]

​@@Rainn8426i forgot the timestamp but yes 😭

[@justyourfriendlynextdoorwe9018]

⁠@@greenthinggg36:56

[@skeletized]

i was watching that part with my black cat i've had since i was a baby sitting on me, it hit harder than it should

[@fnaf2ventnoise330]

I think I was like 8 or 9 when I first watched that episode and I still think about it it’s like branded into my brain😓😓

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

Regarding the blind girl ... disabled people like us are also supposed to "be cool" when taking ableism. We aren't allowed to react, get bothered, get angry. Your comments on bullying in general are true. And disabled people are required to prove their "usefulness" to be accepted, which is how the episode ended.

[@linny._.]

Really? that is actually so messed up im so sorry for what these people have to go through…

[@robinw.8083]

I fully agree and would just like to point out that Li has a condition and may consider themself disabled. That's probably why they're so knowledgeable about ableist bullying 😢 (EDIT: specifically, they have POTS. They mention it at the beginning of the Polly Pocket video)

[@seanionan7275]

Yeah, that's what rubbed me the wrong way too. If we're disabled we have to prove we can be a proper cog to the machine of society to be accepted, but what's worse is if we try to prove too hard suddenly people question if we really are disabled because "look, you can do all these things, you're useful! You're not your disability!" which completely undermines our struggles. I fucking hate it because it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, no matter what your disability is.

[@_TIO]

I remember that episode, I think it was the first one I ever watched. I always viewed the ending more like disabled people might be different but are still their own person with (sometimes) better capabilities of my own.

[@Lucifersfursona]

“Okay but how can we _use_ you otherwise it’s right into the pit” nothing like having a disability become more prominent with age, you get to experience this escalation in real time 😵

[@lassoroot]

I would NOT be sending my kid to Horseland if i knew just how many mountain lions were in the area

[@sammyvictors2603]

which begs the question, did the show say what state Horseland takes place in?

[@MellisFox]

@@sammyvictors2603 I think it’s in Colorado iirc

[@thatdairykid1461]

@@MellisFox I live in Colorado and Mountain lions are a thing but not as big of a problem as in the show. In my area, more people get mauled by bears than Mountain lions.

[@falconeshield]

Well they gotta eat something

[@VaporwaveStudio]

@@falconeshield mmm Jerkey 😭😭

[@sodaPOP_1986]

My mom genuinely banned me and my sister from watching this show because we started acting like the characters and just being awful and rude to each other lmao

[@SoulSlugArts]

Your mother had a point tbh probably smart

[@i.luv.rudy.]

OMG SAME

[@origami6479]

My parents did the same with my sister and I. They banned us from watching any Disney Channel shows because "it teach to kids that bullying is funny, and all these characters are awful and stupid"

[@SoulSlugArts]

@@origami6479 osihdjdudyd damn that's a bit silly tbh

[@Cassiopia_Swan]

Based honestly. Mine “gently encouraged” me to switch back to MLP haha

[@toriagiro9519]

You are SO right about portraying bullies. My daughter would have loved the mean girls if they were portrayed that way. And even though the the girls are in middle school, she wouldn’t watch it now when she’s in middle school, it’s way more age appropriate for kids 5-8 and at that age, the sassy pretty girl is absolutely aspirational. And I’m so sad they didn’t misguidedly decide to roll with the girl plot/ horse plot and make her horse blind too so that the other horses can be mean… Because then it’s a blind girl riding a blind horse and that would be hilariously bad and on brand tbh.

[@DustyHoney]

That would have been amazing because you literally can ride blind horses. There are even blind show horses. It’s not uncommon, either. A lot of horses develop cataract and lose their vision. Some horses get “moon blindness” where the UV slowly kills their eyes. I love when these shows pander to horse girls.

[@jennnamoroll]

The voice actor for Bailey was my neighbor when I was a kid and you CANNOT imagine how much I hero worshipped him lmaooooo

[@hashbrownpotato9283]

OH MY GOD NO WAYYY HAHAHA

[@ollieworth7341]

BROTHER ARE YOU KIDDING😂 Child me would’ve shown him my “Bailey shrine” where I made all my ken dolls or male Bratz into Bailey 😂 I had so many outfits with Bailey on it and my aunt made me a blanket with him and his horse. I cut my hair to try to look like Bailey much to my grandmothers horror😂 i had a complete melt down because one of the boys who rode at the same stable as me looked like Bailey. I genuinely thought he WAS Bailey and he could not get rid of me😭😭

[@nuggywaggy5869]

What a small world lmao. Where is he in life now? 😂

[@amandaaddario7342]

bro stop lying you aint cool

[@letsalllovelean478]

@@amandaaddario7342 you're just jealous Bailey wasn't your neighbour SMHHHH ♥

[@MJ-98]

the biggest thing about this show is literally - _where are the adults?_ like. children should not be training feral or troubled horses, or like, have enough experience to be training alone for multiple competitions. it's bothered me since childhood (yes, I was a horse girl). on a completely different note, my childhood cat, who was also a black cat, waited for me to go to work before she passed away. it was like mosey; she didn't want me to be distraught by watching her go.

[@smt64productions40]

My theory is that Will (I think) was told to be in charge because he grew up with horses and so that way, the adults can be away from children, and that Horseland is a like a daycare and or Summer Camp so parents can leave their kids there I am sorry that happened

[@shadywiskerz]

@@Superaqualad5459 They’re all pre teens except for will. Sarah and the others are 12-13 and Will is 15

[@MaggieFox45]

I honestly think Will is likely at least almost an adult, either that or simply very experienced.

[@awilli182]

Pretty sure that it's just a way to save money on animation. This is a cheap show and in order to save on hiring MORE animators, they just focus on the main characters. Sure they may be too young to run the whole place on their own, but we could just use anime logic where the kid has the whole apartment/house to themself and the parents are always either on vacation, a bussiness trip, or dead. 🤷

[@alionfish5]

Yeah, they had been like six adults shown on screen during all the series. Maybe Horseland took place in a post-apocalyptic world after the mysterious disappearance of the majority of the adult population... Or more likely the show didn't have the budget or ressources to have recurring adults characters, but i like my first theory better.

[@HellsHarrowing]

The mosey episode always destroys me. Esspecially knowing cats can tend to wander off when they know their time is up 😭😭

[@lalaland2107]

They do???!

[@RosyStarAJ]

Yes, Cats often hide when they feel unwell too @@lalaland2107

[@justsomeone883]

​@@lalaland2107They don't actually realize their time is up,however they start looking for a quiet place to rest when they start feeling bad,so essentially they will often look for their own grave without relizing it.

[@emdove]

This video is the only contact I have with that episode, but I couldn't stop crying seeing the clip of him leaving, and the paw prints in the snow...

[@Lucifersfursona]

While there is something very restful about animals seeking a safe quiet place to die it still makes me _so emotional_ I should be allowed to hug all of them

[@peonies_are_lovely]

bro that one episode when zoeys horse developed an eating disorder was DETRIMENTAL💀💀💀💀

[@Deadmothdonoteat]

Omg I just saw that clip on tiktok bro

[@mar420.74]

Sorry my hands broken I'm using speech to text I also have an eating disorder though lately I've noticed that I'm getting a lot better and my medicines helping me eat I remember an episode of like that vaguely as a kid on the computer watching this in 2010 and I remember being very sad and feeling like there was something wrong let me get to that part of the video I didn't know I had an ed I just thought I was really picky

[@mar420.74]

Sorry I said also implying that you had one too and realized that I had mashed two different comments I read together in my head and then didn't read it twice

[@VaporwaveStudio]

That’s the first one I watched!

[@ellingtonsmiles]

Hearing the phrase "we don't invite the hired help" in a kid's show is INSANITY

[@TheArceusftw]

Yet, strangely not too off base.

[@mamukii]

i can't get over it

[@catherinerogers8558]

Ok the whole point of that episode is that they were WRONG for acting like that. It’s all about learning their lesson. Why does no one talking about horseland understand that???

[@valhallen338]

​@catherinerogers8558 I don't think it was a "wow, this show is bad and doesn't understand it's saying bad things!" and more of a "holy shit, that's a lot of blatant classism from the evil children in a kid's show, that's buckwild" sort of thing. Not quite what you expect when you come to watch a cutesy kids' show, even if it's accurate

[@AllegedlyRyn]

The design of the horses and the way they match their characters is so deeply satisfying to me in an inexplicable way

[@enchantingmirage]

The character designs slayed so much in this show. 💖

[@monkey6207]

That was the only reason I watched it when I was younger. But the art style never fit the preachy boring writing, though. And why oh why did the animals have to talk?@@enchantingmirage

[@sophie_twain]

Agree. The designs of the horses are delightful

[@laraalvarezzz2]

It activates a part of my brain I didn't know existed

[@koda_dawgg]

agreed. that's why i loved when the strawberry shortcake characters had ponies that matched their designs and aesthetics. i kno that was random for me to say, but yea.

[@j-a-kk]

all of my Sims 3 horses had hair like horseland horses. I spent a good few months exclusively roleplaying as horseland horses in the sims. What a time to be alive.

[@leor.7131]

That sounds so fun

[@Tseidys]

You have inspired me to do the same in Sims 4

[@svna_1903]

I remember doing the exact same thing 😭😭

[@BinglesP]

I need to do that next time I redownload Sims 3 (I have to delete it on occasion because holy sh¡t that file size) that sounds like a fun time

[@tobyfinchghost]

the episode about being penpals says a lot about the dating standards for men and women actually. men feel like its okay to lie about large things and falsify their identities because in exchange... women wear makeup. its actually really telling of today ^^;

[@Silburific]

I just got to that part and that was my exact thought. What proto-manosphere incels were responsible for writing _that_ episode?

[@lista2308]

I had just started recovering from my ED (the first time) when I saw the "Pepper is Fat" episode and spiraled back down that hellhole. It is so painfully evident that the writers of this show got their mental health tips from a gossip magazine and not a medical professional

[@Name-yv2zq]

yeah fr even that recap was a bit much to watch

[@miticaBEP07]

I hope you’re better now. Do you need anything?

[@robinw.8083]

I'm so sorry. I hope things are better now

[@noahbossier1131]

Makes sense

[@lista2308]

@@miticaBEP07 I'm ok. Talked it over with my therapist

[@CL0UD3D.]

As both an equestrian and an artist, I very much understand the cheaping out on the horse animation because horses are ABSOLUTE FCKING HELL to draw and ESPECIALLY to animate 😭

[@riskingrain1560]

Remind me to further praise the Dreamworks movie "Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron" then if horses are really that difficult to animate.

[@starcomet8312]

@@riskingrain1560 i don't have much personal experience, but from what i've seen and heard basically every part of their anatomy (head, body, legs, correctly mimicing their running cycle, ect) is incredibly frustrating to get down without it looking goofy lmao

[@calamiitay]

​@@riskingrain1560they are hard to animate nonetheless.. dreamworks is no indie animation studio with budget issues

[@kichikitsu]

​@@riskingrain1560YES!! as an artist who's absolute favourite movie in his childhood being Spirit; its such an amazing movie on so many fronts. We just don't talk about the animated series on Netflix :)

[@jewelweed6880]

It bugged me that there weren't any equestrian anime. There used to be an anime rental place in my area and the owner was stumped when I asked about one.

[@florenceb1031]

If I had a nickel for every show I've seen with a mean girl named Chloe with a sister named Zoe, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's odd that it's happened twice. To make the comparison stronger, the Zoe in the other show admitted to being a former mean girl.

[@Ugly-Pidgeon]

what was the other show?

[@florenceb1031]

@@Ugly-Pidgeon Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir

[@xoxos_drawings]

Theres also dork dairies with a Chloe and a Zoe, which is kinda funny

[@Frostfern94]

Miraculous? Yeah. Them.

[@sharosecomics7793]

Miraculous Ladybug?

[@JG-pt3xe]

So are there just no adult counselors at the camp? Because these girls cannot be trusted on their own given how often they find themselves in horse peril or get their horses injured.

[@Vocalovely]

I always thought Will was an adult? I thought he was one of the employees-

[@panickedshears]

@@VocalovelySame, I always thought will was like 25+ and was the manager of the stables or something. I mean, he’s treated as the leader, trainer, and chaperone of the group when they’re doing training sessions or going on outside activities. Apparently he’s like 15-16??? Bro does not look, sound, or act 16. I dont think a 16 year old would be, in any world, be put in charge of a bunch of 13-14 year olds. Let alone on a sequestered ranch in the middle of nowhere with no other adults?? Edit: I was wrong about the ages of the other characters. They’re 12?!? THEY’RE 12?!! People ship Sarah and Will too. Yall… that’s a 7th grader and a sophomore. Nuh uh. One of them is old enough to drive and the other just started puberty like 2 years ago. A three year age gap lead to a massive maturity gap in those circumstances.

[@20firebird]

the dog is their supervisor

[@nhorsey12horses]

I have worked at a horse camp where I, at 16, was solo in charge of 10+ kids, so it doesn't strike me as that inaccurate

[@crysthemist]

But then there would be no plot!!! We simply cannot let that happen!! :0000

[@MellisFox]

As a child, I absolutely wanted to Be Chloe. I used to play as her at recess and mimic her attitude. Luckily, season 3 hadn’t released, so I wasn’t copying bigotry, but it goes to show that you’re so right, any “pretty, rich” character can be seen as aspirational!! And it’s a risky thing

[@Kai555100]

Same, I did not help that I was a horseboy and have rich parents

[@PissyLissy]

This is how I was with every pretty/handsome rich "mean girl/boy" character. I didn't care that they were the bad guys, all I knew is that they slayed and I wanted to be them. Of course, I AM autistic, so I think I had trouble picking up on the fact that even though those characters were usually portrayed as the cool kids in cartoons, that wasn't how the mean/cool kids acted in real life, so I always just got bullied for my excessive campiness.

[@tigerbuttfilms3416]

I feel like most of the time, gravitating towards a more "villonous" character as a kid could possibly point to bigger external, and interpersonal issues such as relationships with family and friends or even expiriences.

[@xMirukanis]

Same. She was the one who looked like me the most with the headband and so I related to her even though she was supposed to be (an actual) mean girl. I understood she was a mean girl but never like a genuinly bad person

[@user-ct3si6nl3c]

@PissyLissy Exact same thing happened to me thought I was the only autist that had this 😭

[@RainbowdashLT]

As someone who has been in a horse community since a small kid..the personalities are on point. Many equestrians are rotten..few are good apples

[@amberwingtundrawing776]

Oh yeah horse girls are mean regardless of if they own a horse or not😅

[@titandarknight2698]

@@amberwingtundrawing776 thats a rude statement to make about a group of people that like one specific animal. Its better to say something along the lines of "competition is encouraged among equestrians leading to bad sportsmen ship in name of winning".

[@RimFaxxe]

​@@titandarknight2698are you a snowflake?

[@dustbox82]

Im always surprised by such statements. I went to two different stables for 5 and 3 years and both had absolutely lovely people. I didnt get along with everyone of course but overall horse folks were nice😂

[@lunar_proxy]

as a horse girl yeah a good portion of them are awful. like genuinely. probably a mix of "young teen girls who are just in that part of their development" and "corrupted horse community that values competition and control over genuine connection with the animal". there is ofc good horse people too, but man... there's too many bad ones

[@astoldbyneon43]

Horseland is a fever dream of a show that you only remember seeing a handful of times whenever you didn't have access to your typical kids channels on a Saturday morning

[@eatatjoe]

I watched CBS a little bit and *hated* this show.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I saw bits and pieces of it.

[@valennina7965]

i used to watch this show a lot, bcuz i only had public tv for a time lol. i was literally forced to like it cuz there wasn't anything else available

[@amariahmcd1815]

I think I saw it on Netflix but I have truly no idea.

[@jocelynecupcake]

I agree, this show had it's flaws but it was better than that crap from Cartoon Network and some of the stuff on Nickelodeon

[@TheRPGNerd]

the cat episode made me almost cry. if you didnt know, cats often leave home before they die. theres been theories why, such as trying to run from death, trying to find a comfortable and safe place, or simply making sure their owners dont see them die. it reminded me of one of my cats. strong, big but sweet and gentle guy named rascal. when he died, he went to a neighbors house. they thought he was just sleeping because he slept there sometimes. theyre sweet, kind creatures who dont wanna cause you that kind of heartbreak. for everything wrong with this series, that was pretty accurate at least. for better or for worse.

[@DS-ub1jm]

Fam as someone who owned a horse, competed for years and did all the stereotypical horse girl things your family is COMFORTABLY middle class to afford all that shit. Boarding your horse, lesson fees, show fees, vet fees, farrier fees….etc lol. None of these girls are struggling 😅

[@eatatjoe]

Upper middle.

[@vainpiers]

Meanwhile I did lessons with this woman who rescued horses for £5 and mucking out for her.

[@ACDBunnie]

I'm guessing you're from the UK, where middle class means something different than in the US

[@ghoultooth]

I wouldn’t say middle class, upper middle at the very least

[@ghoultooth]

@@ACDBunniein the UK it usually refers to someone with quite a lot of disposable income, a well-paying job and an overall very comfortable life when it comes to money. Think private education, horse ownership, land ownership etc. I have a family friend who definitely is comfortably middle class who also owns a horse and boarding for said horse. That’s just what middle class means where I’m from anyways, not too sure how much that differs from the USA ofc

[@ava4512]

The sentiment of “this show sucks when it’s not about the horses” is so real. I had toys of all the main horses but not a single human character. Tbh idk if there even were toys of the humans

[@Verxonian]

There actually were toys of the humans and they also came with the horses

[@SlavoidUkr]

There are toys!?!?! Holy, I didn’t even know there was a cartoon. I only had journals that I have no idea how even ended up in my country

[@sail4170]

There were toys??!!!?????

[@Raydiat0r]

there.. there were toys???

[@dragonqueen9452]

This video dug up memories if watching this show as a kid and all i remember was I hated all the humans and wanted it to only be the horses

[@RedVanBuskirk]

When you learn 2D animation, one of the things an instructor will usually mention is that horses are notoriously difficult to animate without extreme simplification (Like MLP:FiM levels of reduction,) due to not only their strange proportions, but the unusual ways their body moves as they gallop. Part of what makes James Baxter as prolific of an animator as he is is due to the fact that he is one of the few who can animate horses extremely well. So to make a 2D animated show with an extended cast of horses with only barely simplified designs... Is ambitious, to say the least.

[@Gh0stcrumbsofficial]

Knowing this gives so much context to why they didn’t animate the horses too much

[@cynicalbutterscotch6581]

His adventure time episode is great

[@basicallyperidot5299]

​@@cynicalbutterscotch6581"JAAMESS BAAXTEER!!!"-but horse

[@cerealkiller1031]

The funny thing is that I am best at drawing horses, and I startet animating horses, so the way horses move is normal for me, and I am not able to do dogs or cats or any animal that moves differently 😂

[@obiependragon9660]

Omg that's why the horse in at is named that. Ahh that sucks because I despise James Baxters design and character. That's too bad

[@user-iu2zr8vj7g]

I know nothing of Horseland... never played the games, never watched the show... but I've watched this video seven times already because it is so comforting and fun.

[@callum4135]

I'll admit I was a hardcore fan of this show as a child but GUYS. Does anyone remember the huge wiki vandalization where Shep was listed as an omnipotent god of the new world, with the rest of horseland as his mindless thralls? I think it happened in 2021-22, I can't find it anywhere, but I vividly remember trying to tell my friend about this show and us breaking down laughing for, like, at least an hour reading all the wiki pages.

[@nicolasnamed]

This is fucking wild to read

[@TheDevilishangel123]

I vaguely remember this

[@laraendlight9887]

I mean, whoever worte that wasn't wrong, Shep absorbed our mortal souls with his stare😂

[@latelyitsemily]

Dude I remember this theory 😭😭

[@callum4135]

@@latelyitsemily I actually looked into it the other day (searched through old messages) and it definitely did happen. Here are some quotes from screenshots. “Shep often acts as a friend and voice of reason for Teeny as a way to conceal his overwhelming urge to outwardly manipulate or harm her, a fact she is completely unaware of.” “Shep is a male brown and white collie dog that works at Horseland. His owner is Bailey, and Shep has been with him since Bailey’s arrival on Earth, though he seems to be unaware of Bailey’s true form.” “At the same time, however, Shep has a dark side and sometimes displays psychotic and manipulative tendencies towards his animal companions. This may be due to the fact that he is owned by Bailey, though this is unconfirmed. Shep is also known to harbor an extreme desire to murder and eat Teeny, but he conceals this fact by offering advice to her and putting up a gentle laid-back front in her presence. His unsatisfied lust for blood, power, and respect gained through knowledge is what motivates him to remain at Horseland, along with his loyalty towards Bailey.”

[@oceanmythjormundgandr3891]

That horse anorexia episode... really did its damage because I actually copied that behavior subconsciously as a teen. I loved Horseland as a kid, specifically the horse Pepper, and now I wonder how many others were affected by that episode. It was actually the episode that popped into my mind when I saw the thumbnail. Rewatching those scenes where Pepper says those things about herself... chokes me up since that is exactly what ran through my mind as a teen, and still sometimes does. It makes me wonder if I was inspired by Pepper or if it was always there even as a kid and that it just waited in my subconscious until I was already down.

[@mariesummers.]

I hope you're doing better now (and at least from your post, it seems you are, so that's awesome). I'm sorry the episode had such a negative effect on you. The episode was so irresponsible with how detailed it was, and how the way everyone behaved was actually encouraging the behavior (they did show that negative side effects came along, but it seemed to be framed carelessly overall and not discouraged enough). Honestly, I don't get why they had an episode centered around a topic like that period. The show was not built to tackle such heavy themes, neither in writing skill nor episode time. And I guess that was a running issue throughout the show's runtime. I never personally watched the show when I was younger, but the idea that *that* is what they were showing to people my age is terrifying. This is why it's so important to critique children's media. This cartoon is older, but there were plenty of things even then that had more tact and grace than this show.

[@oceanmythjormundgandr3891]

yeah I am doing a lot better now, but its scary how that episode sat in my subconscious from childhood. Horseland really was not equipped for such an episode.@@mariesummers.

[@clairenewberry9957]

That was my favorite episode as a kid and I don’t know why 😭 I never have struggled with an eating disorder, but I can see how it damaged other kids and I don’t know why they decided to make that episode. I’m sorry it affected you like that and I hope you are doing better nowadays.

[@222o-u3t]

horse anorexia 😭😭😭😭

[@Oceansouls]

There are some hard hitting and hella good episodes out of the bunch. Like that one and the Mosey ep killed me watching it back.

[@Ang3lic-P]

All I gotta say is as someone who is physically disabled and Native American , do not let Chlozo anywhere near me .

[@a_o_p_a_o_p]

I just realized this applies to me too ToT Edit: I just saw the episode I'm astounded that no one punched them ^^;.

[@gingeralice3858]

The racism in this episode was disturbingly realistic, like, sht people have actually said to me as a person with native American ancestry..

[@S3lkie-Gutz]

also disabled and indigenous, same. don’t make me hit them over the head old man Biffy style with my forearm crutch

[@noahbossier1131]

@@a_o_p_a_o_pagree

[@amethystrose1888]

You have a really cool username

[@shayne_has_landed2511]

I heavily appreciate how clear you have made the point of being careful when addressing potentially harmful topics to children, and how presentation of an issue can significantly impact how a child views the world. Adults have the habit of creating problems for children by informing children of those problems in the first place. For example, by insisting to kids that bullying is a problem, children then pick up the idea that “bullying is common” and instances of bullying then increase. I’m glad to see that you have reiterated this problem throughout the video when different difficult topics come up. I have the strong belief that eating disorders would not be as prevalent among children if schools covered the topic better. The eating disorder curriculum I was taught with focused on teaching kids exactly what an eating disorder entails, basically giving kids a handbook explaining exactly how to restrict their food intake and what negative thoughts they might be having about themselves. We were told that teenage girls often hate their bodies and restrict their food intake because of it. That perpetuated the idea that the teenage girls in my class must hate their bodies because the teacher said that’s what teenage girls do. And then the teacher provided 2 weeks of extensive eating disorder research, giving us packets full of information on how to restrict our food intake. I strongly hypothesize that if we instead focus on teaching children how to healthily balance their meals and fitness in the best ways for their own unique bodies, the number of children with eating disorders would be lessened. Another example of adults creating a problem is the failed DARE program that increased alcohol and drug use in teenagers with branding claiming that it’s common for teens to partake in the use of harmful substances. As the upcoming generation to be raising kids, we should take responsibility in reframing our education about upsetting topics such as these so that we aren’t perpetuating hurtful behaviors in the next generation.

[@coyoteclockworkstudios3140]

I'm a horse girl, I see horses, I watch. There's a lot of incredibly stupid horse media out there. The thing about this one is how it doesn't actually teach much accurate info about horses at all. Kids ride without their helmets, don't check their girths, rush up to horses they don't know, run around the stables constantly, take jumps they're not trained or prepared for, tie their horses unsafely, stand directly behind hroses or walk blithely behind them, ride during lightning storms, yank constantly on the mouths of their mounts, and put the horses into situations that could potentially kill both the horses and rider. None of the horses are trained for kids, as they spook and bolt, kick, and bite. At best the show tells you things you can do with horses, like jumping and western and dressage. I recommend watching the Bob's Burger's episode where Tina gets riding lessons and meets Plops for a gentle transition between this and the real world.

[@error-try-again-later]

Even as a child who knew nothing about horses at all I still watched this show thinking "that doesn't look right"

[@pkcell]

Some of the jumps are pretty big as well, like the horse would have to be trained on its own and might not physically be able to do it if it's not a high jumping breed, which trained can cost into the high six figures.

[@darkninjafirefox]

As corny as it was, I think Saddle Club was ever so more educational

[@samm4158]

omg i loved Saddle Club

[@Lola_Nico]

I’ll check your girth. ;)

[@moonriverzzz]

completely random but i love how you dont name zoey and chloe separately and simply refer to them as a singular entity, chlozo

[@snapdragon242]

Chlozo the new scp

[@fionn9852]

rip chlozo

[@UrMentalHealth]

I didn't realize it somehow

[@someoneunknown7655]

After the accident they could never be separated again 😔

[@monkey6207]

Everyone's complaining about the native American treatment, then goes and says, "bUt TwInS aRe bAsiCalLy A TwO hEaDeD EnTitY" nice nice. (Both things are wrong, only one is ever called out) -_-

[@DarciousMaluki]

So there's a little point to further add issues in the Added Weight Episode. The reason there are no results to her weight loss at first is that Pepper sneaks out at night and gorges herself because she's hungry from her lack of dinner, thinking "Everyone already calls me fat so what's the use in denying myself this huge meal without restraint." Its...remarkably realistic if a bit dark. She also refers to herself as "an out of shape butterball." later in the episode after her exercise routine, telling the audience and herself that she thinks she hasn't exercised enough yet.

[@victorhurwitz5559]

Yikes.

[@armyofplush]

Can’t tell you why I was triggered by a horse when I was a teenager. EDs are weird

[@taylorbechstein1681]

Holy SHIT😭😭I didn't remember that but since you mention it I remember now

[@zariareep7053]

"The rating for this episode was *raspberries*." We need to use this method more often.

[@liz_merr1003]

I will never get over how aggressive the horseland intro is. Like why are you shouting like that

[@lilyangeli]

LMAO I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE SAME THING

[@br3akstuff]

I've thought this since I was little like...inside voices please

[@emofurryboyfriendasmr]

i would be watching it as a little kid and get fucking jump scared with the intro its always been so aggressive

[@VultureSkins]

YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH

[@onlythelonely93]

They wanted to be punk rock

[@kasagure.]

i saw the black and red horse in the thumbnail and my brain was suddenly and ferociously flooded by a vicious tide of horse-themed lights and sounds. pretty sure i watched the entire series 10s of times over in that single moment. i currently lay typing this comment in my bed, which i collapsed onto like a sickly Victorian woman after such traumatic moments were so forcibly relived. thank you

[@PeanutbutterHobgoblin]

Goodness gracious

[@LoveKillFear777]

You’re so eloquent 😂

[@laraalvarezzz2]

That's so hot

[@clairenelson191]

Real^^

[@sail4170]

FR

[@nerdyespurr]

Just wanna mention about the ED episode, uh the riders would have known immediately because horses live in their stables and they piss and shit in there. So you’ve gotta clean it and put in new bedding everyday more or less cuz they also sleep in there. A farmhand would have noticed the pile of food right away. Also just wanna mention that the brush that Chloe is using when she notices Pepper’s hair falling out is specifically a brush designed to pick up undercoat and shedding hair. The animators literally just picked a random horse brush and used it for this scene.

[@carillon42]

YEAH, it drives me crazy every time i remember this episode. what do you MEAN you haven't noticed a GIANT PILE OF ROTTING OATS AND HAY????

[@pkcell]

Horses are also just incredibly food-driven, it's a conceptually bad premise to begin with. Only time I've seen a horse not take treats irl was one that had only just come off the race track and didn't understand the concept of treats yet. He soon understood tho and joined the ranks of all the others that would go nucking futs if a mint wrapper crinkled lol

[@iclynnx]

​@@pkcellWell, the horses in Horseland are anthropomorphized in behaviour, so it's not that bad to portray mental illness using the animal characters.

[@nerdyespurr]

@@iclynnx It’s still a bad idea tho, specially how it’s presented.

[@iclynnx]

@@nerdyespurr Yeah, I see how it can be a pretty bad representation.

[@blenderi1235]

a fact about icelandic horses; once you take them out of iceland, you cant bring them back

[@Mehk]

“Angora the cat inspires a horse rebellion” was such a sudden and hilarious way to start an episode description. 😂

[@chaus1ku]

True, tbh-

[@marco_supernova2704]

Angora's funny one liners in all episodes of Horseland never gets old and always made me chuckle and laugh about it in a hillarious way.

[@deerprynce]

side note; angora is such a weird name for the cat. it’s like naming your dog Labrador.

[@marco_supernova2704]

@@deerprynce Is the meaning of Angora's name means the name of a earless goat breed ?

[@deerprynce]

@@marco_supernova2704 it’s also a breed of cat, so kinda?

[@puttiplush]

The "Mosey" episode really got to me, complete with tears, because I had a dark grey cat named Moseby. So, one in a million chance that a 5 minute episode summary would pinpoint attack a watcher, right?

[@theoddbox]

I have a black cat whoes getting to be old and was just like "aww fuck you" when that episode came up in the video

[@SNOW_THE_WOLF]

Same that's actually why I stopped watching the series he literally died alone in the cold

[@p0mp0mpudding-YT]

@@SNOW_THE_WOLFI think he wanted to spare her the sight of his dead body by the time she woke up, but both are pretty depressing decisions honestly

[@SNOW_THE_WOLF]

@@p0mp0mpudding-YT I know but it's just so sad

[@p0mp0mpudding-YT]

@@SNOW_THE_WOLF I agrée

[@erinrhill]

Hi, equestrian/farrier here. This whole series, while ridiculous to normal folks, is so realistic to the horse world. Disposable horses because daddy’s money can get another one that you can ride into the dirt, how mean/racist/biogoted they all are, the cliques (can’t spell it) of barns, money is the only way to reach high-levels in show, etc. The horse world has a trend of making their PFP’s into edits of them and their horse(s) in the Horseland style. It’s iconic in the community. I actually am one of the comments on the original Horseland JR game videos. Love this series, grew up on it and the online game. EDIT: About the weight episode, if people are wondering why Pepper is getting so big, they should ask Zoey since she give her 50lbs of oats for dinner?? Weight is one thing, 50lbs of oats should’ve made her colic????? Is she trying to kill her?? Cartoon logic, tf.

[@teacoon6399]

All of this ^

[@sophiaaretuza]

The horse care part? Ridiculous. The mean girl part? Fully correct

[@erinrhill]

@@savanna9482 Thank you for confirmation. 🥲 I suck at spelling.

[@taylorbechstein1681]

Horseland JR was GOATED

[@dylan8435]

Ok i have to ask...HOW THE ACTUAL FUCK THEY SCREW OVER MAKING A SERIES BUT GETTING ALL ABOUT THE HORSE INDUSTRY RIGHT!?

[@fizzplease6742]

“Extremely horseless peril” nothing better than videos like these for the most novel phrases.

[@ultimateninjaboi]

"These words mean nothing. Youre just saying things." I have no idea why this has me laughing so hard.

[@clawcakes2]

"that's not even a sentence" actual comedy gold

[@Stormith]

Pepper the horse is a deeply flawed individual

[@userabbie17]

I cannot and will not ever forget the horse with the eating disorder

[@rebekab1579]

I haven't watched the full video, I'm just scrolling reading the comments during the intro, and this out of context is absolutely sending me

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

But she's also blue-coded so it's fine

[@skipfire00]

@@frauleinzuckerguss1906what is blue-coded?

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

@@skipfire00 Its color code is primarily blue, like the mane stripes and the riding gear it wears

[@PhilFromhec]

Unfortunately, despite a character being written to not care about getting bullied being cruel and not okay, it’s depressingly realistic for someone who’s used to being bullied. A lot of us learn to laugh along and pretend they’re laughing with us or to shut up and take it because getting mad gives them more material

[@marymurphy1429]

Yeah, one of the first things I learned about how to deal with bullies is don't cry in front of them, and if you have to run away from them to avoid letting them see your tears that's still better than openly crying in front of them. It won't make it better but it will keep it from getting worse and also crying all the time is tiring and I don't have the energy

[@edenalexandriab9120]

Hey, I hope things have improved now. Things WILL get better x

[@supotter377]

Yup learned young that self deprecating humor worked well to get bullies off my back, but it bit me in the ass later having to unlearn shit coping mechanisms lol

[@holyboiamethin2790]

The Native American episode shocked me so much. My older brothers are Cherokee (and registered as such). Honestly that episode seemed so much more harsher than the other ones. (Also they’re my half brothers, some mom, but their dad is a Cherokee man and my moms first husband)

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Same. I have a friend who’s Cherokee descent and this episode irritated me so much. Doesn’t help how racist and ignorant Chloe and Zoe were, especially when they were in those stupid costumes and saying it wasn’t a big deal, but the final straw was when they asked if she was related to Pocahontas, OMG.

[@mesousagaby740]

Toxic friendships that don't ever improve or have long-running consequences? This is just The Proud Family. With horses.

[@moonlightingwolf7542]

Wow😂 your right though

[@whatscookingoodlookin1]

god you’re so right 🤣🤣🤣

[@Empty_Roar]

They like the toxic friendships or else they would ignore each other and just ride the horses

[@Jai.and.Jay.Two.Peas.In.A.Pod.]

Exactly

[@sail4170]

Except make it white washed

[@penne3602]

I never realized how much they’re all supposed to be best friends but are so mean to each other. Like this is what my model for friendship was as a kid?

[@zestytriss5282]

True friendship has mean comments to each other.

[@Insert_Creativity_Here]

Same like damn

[@supotter377]

@@zestytriss5282Not petty and judgmental bullshit tho

[@annalayzalovesorlando]

honestly its not really far from reality

[@roseyoung44]

All of y'all saying it's not That unrealistic must've had some pretty shitty friends growing up. My friend group poked fun at each other, sure, but we all knew it was in good faith. The few times any of us went too far, we apologized and avoided repeating the behavior. Even at our worst, I don't think we got anywhere near saying the kind of things these girls do to each other.

[@flaviapederzini]

24:33 showing that being unaffected by the bullying is the "correct" way of reacting to it is already bad within itself but it's even worse when it's in reference to a disabled character being subjected to ableism, it conveys the message that disabled people should never speak up about their struggles even and especially if it's related to their disability or they're being discriminated because of it To say this topic was handled poorly is an understatement

[@emofurryboyfriendasmr]

exactly!!! as someone disabled this always stuck with me!! it was like one of the only episodes i remember

[@Victoria-_]

Well said! I have a vision disability myself and this episode always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s so bad

[@error-try-again-later]

"Don't react" is just a lazy cop-out which only benefits the least emotionally intelligent person.

[@Paradox_Incognito]

AMEN

[@BeepBoopBee]

I'm both autistic and have adhd. It's so annoying because I get the abelism and bigotry from both sides. And then on top of that I also identify as bi and non binary, so I get the shit show from that too! It's like a compass where every direction is just a different flavor of sewage. People can just say things like "you don't look autistic", "you're not that energetic, so I don't believe you have adhd", "but you have to pick a side!" or "but biologically you're still a woman" and I'm expected to be kind because "they don't know better". I'm not allowed to respond with stuff like "that's because autism isn't a physical disability, but a mental one. It's a difference in our brain, not a difference in how our body look", "that's because the chaos is in my brain, not my body", "who says I have to pick?" or "why do you think I want that surgery you refuse to do because I MIGHT want kids despite there being valid alternative ways to get a kid?" without being called an idiot, rude, delusional or met with responses like "well, how was I supposed to know that?", "I'm sooooo sorry!" (In a way to force you to reassure them that its fiiiiiine) "but my 5 year old cousin has that too and he behaves nothing like you!" etc etc etc. Gosh, just let me play video games with my hubby, leave me alone in public and respect my boundaries/limitations. It's so fucking annoying when I have to scrunch up into a tiny ball during my bus ride because someone keeps invading my personal space and I'm too anxious to say anything while it being VERY clear that I don't feel comfortable with it. Also while I'm ranting, can we please bring back seating accommodations in grocery stores? Not just for people who have stuff like painful bones or such, but also for cases like lightheaded, out of breath (like an astma attack) or stuff like autistic people getting a sensory overload from the loud noises, people entering their personal space and the overwhelming amounts of scents in the tea isle. I had that exact thing happen earlier today and I had to heavily lean on my cart and the pillars to make sure I didn't fall over. Seating accommodations would make situations like that much less scary and dangerous as well as just improving the shopping experience in general. After I navigated my way out of the tea isle and through self checkout, I had to find the nearest bench outside just to make sure I didn't pass out or had a breakdown during my commute home. Stuff like this could be prevented by just implementing small things like seats or quiet hours in stores. Anyway, that's my ranting for now 😅

[@critterchild]

it would be unhealthy to say the amount of times I've rewatched this video. i never watched Horseland before but this video helps me wake up in the morning and I don't understand it. thank you li

[@koda_dawgg]

i can already tell i'll be doing the same.

[@critterchild]

@@koda_dawgg i get up for work and i swear i put this on- this show shocks me at times, it wakes me back up

[@werewolf1301]

A mug that reads, "Don't talk to me until I've had my Horse Girl"

[@spookynoodle4262]

I feel like one of the best examples of the "fabulous and kind of stuck-up character can sometimes be a bad guy" is cleo de nile in monster high. Shes sometimes petty and very self-centered and bossy, but she never does anything despicable and actually regularly shows she really cares for and values her friends.

[@sunbirth4795]

Rouge the Bat also comes to mind

[@Dreamora-lorekeeper]

For the ED episode, you are exactly right. It was actually my first exposure to the concept of eating disorders, and I never forgot it. When I developed an ED later on in life, I started doing all of the things Pepper did. I still struggle with those problems, and rewatching the episode, I have a visceral reaction to it simply because they depicted it way too realistically for little kids.

[@tigerbuttfilms3416]

Are you sure it was the episode and not just having some kind of negative expirience or tramatic upbringing? Maybe the show triggered a part of it but how can an episode of a kids show be entirely responsible for something as elaborate as a ED?

[@petra2123]

@@tigerbuttfilms3416 moonalight isnt saying that the episode CAUSED their ED, but that the show gave actual tips on how to effectively hide an eating disorder from others. Tips they may have not been exposed to (or at least not finding them so easily) if it wasn't for the way Horseland decided to portray it

[@Dreamora-lorekeeper]

@@petra2123 Yes! Exactly. Horseland did not cause my ED, that was definitely a few life situations and events, but more than once I actively used Pepper's actions because while the show didn't explain how bad it was, it did show valid ways to unhealthily lose weight. Like pretending to eat, hiding food, over exercising without eating, and the reality of body dysmorphia. The episode itself simply stuck to me so strongly because I was young and facing Pepper's problems exactly, and the horse-to-human danger ratio didn't really click in my younger mind.

[@Lucifersfursona]

“Here’s how to hide this effectively” may be the advice kids are looking for but it sure ain’t the advice they need.

[@mer_acle8101]

i feel you, i remember a similar thing happening in one of my favorite books when I was younger, it was just a throwaway line on a similarly loaded topic, but hell did I remember when it ended up applying to me later in life

[@nerdyespurr]

Let me just tell you, as someone who grew up with horses, no one disses horses ever. Whenever the fact that my family owned horses came up, anyone who heard immediately went “No way, that’s so cool!” and not “Ew, horses are lame and smelly!” Which don’t smell btw, they’re pretty clean for the most part and we often gave them baths.

[@SuperSkyhorse]

Fr, whenever I mention that I ride, people are so enthusiastic over it, lol. It makes me happy to impress them with some horse facts. The only person ever, who made fun of horses, was my brother, who for whatever reason hated me for 15 years, and his life mission was to hate and mock everything I like. I'm like 90% convinced that he feels completely neutral about horses, and the only reason he said anything negative about them, was to mock me, and that was it. It's always the bullies who hate horses.

[@error-try-again-later]

The only people I've ever heard berate horses are horse owners 💀

[@coolboyyo654]

people are more likely to complain about horse people than horses themselves

[@bishielurfer]

I've heard people say they're scared of horses but that's usually the worst of it

[@minni_sung9437]

Cant relate at all. Live in the country but a ton of rich suburban people are moving here and hate that animals do in fact live in the country.

[@CherylJLand]

I have red hair and this is petty but I always felt so self conscious that the only redheads in this show were mean as hell 😭

[@lepluslongnomvousallezetre4055]

Good thing bloom from Winx existed then lol before s4 she was very sweet and was a fun character

[@FatallyParasocial]

Yeah its very weird especially since us redheads are often bullied (Ik since I'm also a redhead and my peers bullied me like crazy)

[@fnaf2ventnoise330]

It never occurred to me that she was a redhead idk why…maybe bc she was mean and I was like “why.”

[@AnInkStick]

@@lepluslongnomvousallezetre4055oh yeah, bloom was so sweet, when she wasn’t being entitled, bratty, an abusive girlfriend, but hey she was sweet I gues?

[@soyjoyy]

They are not beating "gingers have no soul" allegations /jk

[@ErisIsAnAbomination]

Ngl, I’m really sick of how many kids shows write disabled/marginalized characters as valuable to the main cast depending on how much they can contribute to their needs. Idk, it’s just really weird how disabled characters only seem to gain respect in media after their disability can be exploited for a certain use or proven to be an “advantage”… Yikes.

[@KaminoKatie]

Deviation from the norm will be punished unless its exploitable

[@error-try-again-later]

It's basically the Dhar Mann style of writing lmao

[@HiBuddyyyyyy]

Just like Rudolph the red nose reindeer.

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

I've heard some disabled people say that Kim Possible did a pretty good job of portraying a disabled character but it's been so long since I watched the show so I can't really remember much. Except for the fact that the dude had a rocket wheelchair that he modded himself.

[@herpderp3916]

To be fair, in Avatar The Last Airbender, Toph Beifong joined the team BECAUSE Aang needed an earthbending teacher. But they also never thought any less of her before she joined, she was always on equal footing.

[@sunnydisneylover]

I had a horse land OC! She was a pinto paint filly. She was light hearted and energetic making her clumsy sometimes. She’s be a character to have for kid’s birthday parties or being a service animal therapy after a character arc of maturing and getting attached to a child in a wheelchair. I LOVED this show growing up

[@skriddle]

that is SUCH a cute oc idea 😭 and genuinely SOLID for a kid to have come up with!!! all my childhood ocs were just “ugh 😫 i am so tortured and an orphan and DARK and no one understands 🥀⛓️” for ages lol

[@skurwysyn100]

Mine OC was black pinto mare, with black and rainbow mane and tail. She was daughter of Scarlett(?) (black and red mare).

[@sugmanots]

That is so cute omfg 😭

[@lilaboxx]

Omg I didn't exactly have horseland OCs but my best friend and I made up imaginary horses and unicorns in elementary school with very extensive lore and I'm pretty sure we gave them colourful streaks of hair. (I remember a black unicorn with golden streaks and a golden horn who had magical lightning powers and was named flash)

[@micaylarobbins5727]

@@lilaboxxflash sounds sick as hell

[@fremmie_]

I watched this show as a kid in another language and I swear the voice acting in German was SO MUCH BETTER??

[@liljatupsu]

The Finnish dub too. What the heck?

[@scarletrosekat9444]

polish as well possibly although i don't remember that well

[@d.oertliche]

I was actually just wondering if the German version was good but it does make sense because the industry for dubbing in Germany actually has a lot of means to make it sound well

[@mli03]

The Swedish one as well. They sounded so much more emotional and dedicated to their roles than the English actors

[@gfran7112]

omg i was about to comment this i generally remember this show being a lot better

[@mypkamax]

[24:52] The fact that quite a few parents may expect their children to ignore bullying may somehow be the most realistic and depressing thing about this portrayal.

[@acea.4188]

My sick, sleep deprived-ass kept thinking Zoey was Bloom from Winx Club and, lemme tell you, hearing that ass-load of racism coming outta her mouth gave me heart attacks every time

[@SoulSlugArts]

Bloom racism arc

[@MischiefMakerMarcy]

LMFAO BLOOM'S ANNOYING BUT SHES NOT RASCIST LMFAO!

[@chaus1ku]

Lol!

[@trudivination8497]

Also sick and omg same it’s been really discombobulating!

[@mariesummers.]

Lmao

[@Sootielove]

The horse designs and colours are ingrained in my brain forever. Unfortunately, the episode I most clearly remember is the native racism episode which, as a british kid who barely knew america existed, nevermind native americans, left a really weird impression

[@skurwysyn100]

I don't understand, why such impression when, as you said, you didn't even know native americans existed?

[@Sootielove]

@@skurwysyn100 Because some weird snooty girls were acting awfully towards another girl and wearing awkward costumes everyone hated for no reason? Watching racism when you don't know what they're being racist against makes it even more obviously arbitrary

[@Frostfern94]

Glad I’m not the only British kid who had no idea what was going on

[@16Nire61]

The dyslexia episode in particular confused me because all they other characters kept telling Sarah's cousin to refer to the manual... in the middle of doing the routine. While they're still learning it. And none of them are reading in the saddle, so why are they acting like he should? Just... what???

[@WyntheRogue]

I say if you want an episode touching the issue of dyslexia done right, I would highly recommend Static Shock,the writers handled Rubberband Man's dyslexia really well.

[@art_wizard46]

THIS WAS A WAKE UP CALL TO MY MEMORY. I FORGOT ANY SPECIFIC CONTENT, BUT THIS MADE ME REMEMBER OMLLLL

[@Those_Mal_Working_Dogs]

Did anyone else notice that the horse Zoe tries to replace pepper with is pretty much the exact same horse that the "mysterious blonde woman" judge is riding in a later episode? The judges horse just has a slightly lighter shade of blue

[@aze_9]

Honestly throughout watching this retrospective, it's kind of weird how vividly I remember all these characters and their designs, I remember being so enamored by it, especially the design of the horses, and the choice of colors. I also remember how pretty good the Arabic dubbing for this show was, so it was kinda jarring hearing all these awkward and stiff line deliveries, and also the theme song for it was pretty fire 🔥!

[@LucydelaValliere]

It was also dubbed into german and the voice acting is pretty good!

[@alicebthegachaweirdo8378]

The Swedish dub was really good too!

[@DecemberDaydreams]

i think the norwegian one aswell, tho its too long ago i watched it to be sure, needless to say the english version threw me off, i cant remember it being that bad so im asuming the norwegian dub was better lol

[@socialgutbrain7774]

The original dub is so horrendous that all of the foreign dubs are better. That's one hell of an achievement

[@mx.rain_yt]

​@@alicebthegachaweirdo8378Was just about to say this!

[@pumpkin6082]

The episode with the blind girl pisses me off so badly cause my mother who has been blind her whole life is really good with horses. She’s the whole reason why we got horses in the first place. She used to be able to ride them before her back issues got worse but she’s amazing with animals in general. She even has a degree in animal science! :]

[@Penguins_umbrella]

omg your mom sounds so cool, this may be a bad reference but your moms story kinda reminds me of that character Rania from the game star stable online .

[@pumpkin6082]

@@Penguins_umbrella had to look that character up cause it’s been a long while sense I played Star Stable and that’s interesting! Thank you for the compliment!

[@keepyourshoesathedoor]

Your mom sounds cool!

[@kaybee7860]

“riding in style” is permanently BURNED into my memory, the lessons little me took away from it though, was that fashionable clothes are dangerous and you need to stay away from them for your own safety. 😭 seeing it again brought up that same feeling of being deeply unsettled and afraid

[@thedolphinqueen9921]

I hope your style is now gorgeous and the horse show isn't haunting you anymore!

[@Lucifersfursona]

Op I’m sorry that’s so funny Can we tell people this is how lularoe started. A deep fear of fashionable clothes

[@RowanTS]

KZbin fulfilling its new algorithm pattern of “well produced deep dives on kids shows you never watched”. Good job recommendations.

[@stonersiren]

honestly having been around stables even just a bit, they got the toxicity and low IQ of horse girls exactly right lmao

[@AshaSara]

yes Lmao

[@SuspiciousZorua]

absolutley -former horse girl

[@falconeshield]

Low IQ?

[@cerealkiller1031]

I think you have been to the wrong stables. Competition-oriented riders are probably going to be more bitchy. I’ve spend my entire life around horses, and the only people that ever behaved badly were the ones bullying equestrians for their hobby. I don’t think you can expect someone to be nice to you when you call them dumb?

[@supotter377]

@@cerealkiller1031Bro all the horse girls in school were horrendous to everybody but especially to each other

[@barbieoftheweek]

This show has like 5 plot points that it just shuffles around. Like Taco Bell

[@roisingrant]

Right? 1. Misunderstandings/miscommunication 2. Clozo being generally terrible 3. Disability/societal issues 4. HORSE PERIL 5. Actual Grief

[@falconeshield]

It's like what I call personally a dentist cartoon, a cartoon series worthy of showing in dentist halls for the pretty colors. Bright, colorful and eye catching enough, but almost always contains a paper thin story, limited animation budget and repetitive character design to create new ones through recycling in a way to make Ed Boon blush. Usually created to sell merc. If the cartoon has a fanbase that lasts more than 10 years that's a lucky coincidence. Perfect examples like this horse cartoon are: *Shera 1985, hell all the classic Heman cartoons till New Adventures* *Pre 90s Casper Hanna Barbera cartoon* *Most of the 90s Barbie CGI movies* *G1 My Little Pony* *Bratz the animated series* *That racing cartoon starring BamBam and Pebbles from the Flintstones* *Pole Position* *That airborne ballerinas cartoon (Sky Dancers?)* *Highguardian Spice* *How My Body Works* *Most 90s Disney shows set in school, not called Gargoyles*

[@jasperjazzie]

plus they just have 3 character types, the voice of reason, the antagonists, and Plot Device. personality? we don't know her.

[@eriisonline3729]

Whenever indigenous characters show up in a kids cartoon I always hold my breath, being native myself (Northern Cherokee) there always seems to be a lack of understanding amongst kids media about what being native is actually like.(And I hate to be that person, but of COURSE Nani is Cherokee, it's always the tribe they default to if not Navajo) I just feel like Pepper Ann portrayed what it's like living in a world where people think your racial identity is a joke and never taken seriously. Horseland's representation was ok at best, but hearing what Chloe and Zoey said quite honestly made me gasp.

[@WanderTheGalaxy]

Oh hey, someone else knows that episode of Pepper Ann!

[@Gen_-6012]

w pepper ann

[@eriisonline3729]

@erikbihari3625 I honestly just don't want stereotyped, a deep dive isn't always necessary but most "representation" barely scratches the service (also I love secret saturdays) hope this answered your question!

[@sytmor]

I’m Ojibwe and completely agree. There’s little to no accurate representation of Indigenous cultures and feel it’s too often that ALL Native Americans get grouped together and portrayed as being the same stereotype/caricature

[@schedar_cassiopeia]

im not native, im as pale as 8.5x11 paper, and i hardly knew anything about native americans until i was around 13. its not just media, its EVERYTHING. really unfortunate how such a large part of our country is brushed aside, and the history taught to us as kids is “columbus was a wonderful dude who had such lovely times with the *indians* isn’t that right guys” before being lightly touched upon in early high school and then ignored thereafter. due to this i feel like the real lack of confrontation about the horrible things clo-zo say really could’ve made an impression on kids. eugh.

[@shamblingabby]

The Pepper weight episode makes me raise an eyebrow specifically on no one taking her out to ride while her rider was sick. No one thought she should get some time outside the stable??

[@catherinerogers8558]

That was the sister’s job and the sister gets an earful for not doing it. It’s not the job of the others to do that or confirm that it’s being done. they likely thought she WAS being taken out

[@mothmanmarcus346]

The fucking Mosey episode wrecked me as a kid. I remember I talked about it on discord with my friend and while it is weird he just shows up it probably would’ve been worse if he was an established character. It would’ve traumatized SO many kids. It’s also a small detail but I appreciate that Mosey was depicted as good natured in the episode. This might seem like a weird thing to point out but it always irked me when cats and wolves were depicted as the villains in media to the point where people would call all irl cats ‘assholes’ (Especially when I read the warrior cats series and also got my own cat) I think devious cat characters are fun now, but I appreciate them a lot more if it’s shown that not ALL cats are like that or that there’s a playfulness in their mischief.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I remember that episode! His death scene made me cry.....😭

[@Robohead-z6z]

I feel you.

[@JumbledDufus]

Real

[@userabbie17]

ngl that was the worst episode for me, because Mosely dies and also I always got weird vibes because of how close they made Sarah and Will, even as a really young kid I always thought "isn't that her teacher?"

[@iclynnx]

​@@userabbie17Will is like, 16, while the rest are around 14 or something I think. So it's not too bad at least.

[@fuseamii]

Horseland was such a fever dream, I remember being 9 years old and searching “Horseland Full Episodes” on KZbin after school. I liked two characters MAX and still ate it up. Tbh I think I mostly liked it because I thought the horse designs were cool.

[@noahbossier1131]

I like the designs but yeah it’s a mess

[@chaoticneutral7976]

1:04:27 Well it's official, Chloe and Zoey are the kind of girls to marry their own second cousins just to keep their bloodlines "pure"

[@JadeKuzumiSendju]

So true 😂

[@KathySage234]

:[

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

They were secretly Hapsburg's all along...

[@Mostie-ev7oh]

You just know their family has a specific inbreeding related disease named after them.

[@paigemosher8697]

They're white and racist. That much was a given.

[@emppos432]

The matching outfits, tack and highlights definitely did something to my brain as a child.. I was so obsessed with the show for a time.

[@satilinethejay]

Until watching this video I never realized Zoe and Chloe's horses names might be a pun. I always thought his name was "Chili" like it's cold, because his fur is white and snow is white. But it's suppossed to be "Chili" and "Pepper" or "Chile Pepper" (cause they're both spicy lol) isn't it?

[@KathySage234]

Or Chili's owner might be cold-hearted?

[@irisaferg2524]

When i was a kid I ALWAYS misremembered the white horse's name as Salt, because it fit in with pepper and matched his color scheme.

[@dabi-is-online23]

chilli is grey

[@owenw.1643]

theres no way there werent a handful of kids that learned what disordered eating WAS from episode 38. thats.. horrifying.

[@skylinesandturnstiles9595]

yea fr. for me, i will never forget that episode

[@gingeralice3858]

As someone who recovered from an ED, yeah, this unlocked repressed memories for me. My little brother was obsessed with this show because horses. Years later when it surfaced I doubt I remembered this episode specifically but the themes in it brought me back seeing this again. Horse anorexia. WTF....

[@persona2fan]

i first watched this show when i was about 10 and im pretty sure this was my first introduction to the concept 😭 such a bizzare way to learn about something so serious

[@Pseudopup]

I was one of those handfuls of kids. I still remember watching that episode for the first time and feeling so uncomfortable & confused

[@RatEatingSevenWorms]

I too learned what eating disorders were from this episode. I mean I was like 10 and already HAD an eating disorder but it definitely introduced it to me as a failing rather than an affliction or condition or genuine mental health issue

[@fannikarpati5563]

The episode with the blind girl is soooo harmful it literally has the messege of "disabeled people are only worth it if they can somehow serve there non disabled peers" wich is such a harmful idea even if its not as glaring as the ed episode.

[@LynetteTheMadScientist]

Sadly as a general rule people will only accept you if you are somehow useful to them. It just happens to be more obvious when it comes to disabled people. That's why it's important to teach kids from an early age that all humans have inherent unlimited value.

[@almamater489]

When I seen this episode as a child, I took it as "Just because someone is disabled, don't underestimate their abilities", which is far more positive outlook at life than this comment section

[@pocaiesc]

@@almamater489 Exactly! That's how I took the episode. Honestly this show wasn't as bad as the video is saying it was.

[@pocaiesc]

@FirstnameLastname-ek6tz Haven't seen Velma never plan to but seriously Horseland is a show for KIDS ages 7/8ish to 10 of course you as an adult are not going to like it! You going to talk about H2O and all of it's silliness next? Or the 80"s Ninja Turtles? He-Man And She-Ra? Let Kids enjoy stuff man.

[@BinglesP]

Mostly unrelated but the fact that you didn't capitalize "ED" is now just making me imagine this show having a crossover episode with Ed Edd n' Eddy 💀 That would be hilarious, would be worth existing just so the Eds could mentally and psychologically rip the Horseland kids to SHREDS (And, bringing back the topic, that episode proves they deserve it)

[@Wade.Stikmann]

Oh my God, the anorexia episode is too real. A few years ago I was desperate to lose weight and did the same thing, relying of shitty protein shakes and only eating when around others. I started losing the weight and, just like the episode, everyone was happy for me. I got more compliments and people told me I looked happier. In reality my muscles felt tense all the time, my stomach hurt regularly, I was beginning to get migraines and eventually developed a heart murmur. Did you know that quick weight loss/gain can be a big stress on your cardiovascular system? Neither did I. I looked good, just like how everyone wanted me to, but I didn't feel good. And for as bad as being a fat person is seen in our society, it's way worse to force yourself to starve. I'm more or less back to the weight I was before I started and I'm fine with that, but I definitely screwed up my relationship to food and still find it hard at times not to get upset at myself for having some ranch on my salad. 0/10, not worth it, I hate fat phobia and mainstream diets.

[@cynderwolfstar7664]

I’ve struggled with a similar issue. I starved myself at 15/16 and now at 23 I still have thoughts in the back of my mind. It’s truly a life long mental illness and even if you’re “recovered,” you still have bad days

[@mus1c3gg]

stay strong my friend 😢❤ remember to take it one step at a time, don't push yourself to get better and also remember it's ok to take steps back. recovery is hard.

[@Wade.Stikmann]

@@mus1c3gg Thank you, that's very kind 💙 ☺️ Baby steps and leaving room for mistakes is definitely the way to go when it comes to this kind of thing.

[@Wade.Stikmann]

@@cynderwolfstar7664 An absolutely awful thing for a kid to experience. It won't be easy but we'll be okay. Every meal might look different or be incomplete, but as long as we keep in mind that it's not the food or us that are the problem, it's the culture and their treatment of us, there's room for recovery. You've got this, friend, listen to your body's needs over the others.

[@talb.1805]

Yes I wish they'd have dealt with this differently. Seeing this episode as a kid made me want to replicate disordered eating to get compliments and attention

[@hypotheticaltapeworm]

Alma's Spanish is genuinely just incorrect. She says "hijóles" when she means to say "híjole". When she says "es verdad" she uses an English r and not a Spanish r. It's like, why did they cast you as the token Latina who does the whole Dora thing of saying basic phrases in Spanish and immediately translating if you weren't going to sound like someone who even speaks the language??

[@spidersstan]

I specifically remember the dental floss plotline of that one episode having a *hold* on me, and it triggered a brief obsession with dental hygiene for some reason

[@socialgutbrain7774]

Kids really internalize stuff in the weirdest ways, huh? I remember when I was watching a true crime show (which I probably shouldn't have been watching) where this guy's ex-girlfriend injected him with an anesthetic that almost completely paralyzed him. It was so effective that he couldn't even breathe correctly, which made me deathly afraid of running out of breath and suffocating. I then realized that I couldn't inhale while I was *speaking*, so I went out of my way to speak as little as possible for a small while 👍

[@Ghost-ql6tn]

That's the best case scenario of anything coming out of this show, you were their only positive influence on children 🤣

[@Saturn_xxo]

The fact that I only remember two scenes of this series. The one where the horses are fat-shaming and that one horse being sad abt it. And the one where that one horse doesn’t get a blanket and freezes. I was so sad as a child watching this I almost cried.

[@plushdragonteddy]

god the cat episode summary made me want to cry, and i’ve never even had a cat. i’m glad they at least got the emotions in that episode right

[@petloverspy]

I have never seen this show and yet I saw this video, less than a minute of clips of this cat, and I was tearing the fuck up. Help.

[@zuristerling5119]

I recently lost one of my lizards and that part of the video got me messed up

[@buzzinbea]

With the way Chloe and Zoe treat Nani I can't believe that they haven't said some STUFF to Alma and Molly (nor can I believe how passive those two are when confronted by Chloe & Zoe's racism)

[@dork7546]

I don't get why they'd be racist towards Nani but not Alma, considering the fact that both they're both native American. I guess the twins are propably two of those stupid white people who think most Latin Americans are actually Spaniard rather than native because the Spaniards minority forced the native majority in these colonies adopt Spanish culture. Or who knows, maybe they know Alma is native too but they probably think she's one of "the good ones" because she dresses and acts like a white, European girl.

[@oroontheheels]

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.

[@Victoria-_]

FR

[@ghostratsarah]

Relating to episode 7 and 8; my great grandfather was a show horse trainer. He once had this one who was there to learn to stand on its hind legs. When the owner came to pick the horse up, she was told she needed to give up, because the horse was not capable of the trick- likely neurological and not correctable. Continuing would end up with it getting hurt. The woman was furious. She grabbed the whip and ordered her horse to try the trick. It reared up, tripped, fell, and broke its neck. Traumatized my great grandfather.

[@StudioHannah]

I hope the owner was also traumatized by her terrible life choices

[@baxterbois4742]

DID THEY FALL INTO THE PARIS CATACOMBS?? that’s one hell of a plot there

[@iciclepdot]

Shep looking straight into the camera is just as horrifying as Phineas from Phineas and Ferb looking straight into the camera (also great video btw)