Listen Loco Ep. 75 - LCS Episode, Zaboutine's thoughts on Optic, Strongest Teams in LCS

[@locodoco]

1:21 Zaboutine's thoughts on Dhokla 30:34 Optic Picking up Crown 36:31 Crown MVP Candiate 39:20 Why Koreans aren't that successful in NA 41:30 Meteos Success 49:51 Bjergs JG problem 52:01 Froggen 54:35 GGS 1:04:16 Macros 1:06:59 Scrims 1:13:57 Bot lane/ Bot lane picks 1:23:20 Shot callers on TSM 1:29:20 Sneaky in a Slump 1:41:11 CLG 1:45:45 Dragons impact 1:48:23 Teams giving players away/managers mistake 2:00:30 Coach of the split 2:02:19 MVP

[@user-fs5mc4tl3r]

Pin the timestamps

[@priestahhhood4664]

Locos aesthetic is perma "im a bitch boy" @Locodoco

[@johnnycamine]

Zaboutine is a really good guest for this show, I would be happy to see him on more regularly. He’s very vocal and articulate and knowledgeable. Good episode

[@dirkdiggler7253]

@@PurpleScoutCookies if it isn't obvious, English isn't his first language and he has a thick accent with that in mind he did really well

[@АндрейЕлизаров-п2э]

Loco was chill too, usualy he annoys mee, but in this episode he didn't speak crap almost entirely.

[@frankycnguyen]

everyone wishes they had someone who backs them up like zab backs up Dhokla

[@Hanimalify]

Glad zaboutine stood up for himself and his team.

[@rockoutloud2112]

Excellent guest, zabo really knows his shit and he vibes well with the feel of the show

[@darthbelicheck3559]

Zaboutine brought Leona shield. He impressively held off thooring flame lmao. I'm impressed.

[@titangourmand]

in the french stream he got flamed a lot honestly, he always had controversial opinions so the chat was always kinda flaming even tho he was also really liked

[@thejakobistable]

Zaboutine with the american S-size hoodie

[@ramsrinivasmurthy8843]

26:30 to see Loco get ripped a new one by Zaboutine lmao

[@akram9168]

first really good episode in a while zaboutine was a great guest

[@dylancostello1103]

I really hope IMT keeps this team together. Their synergy’s so good, id hate to see them pulled apart before they have the chance to win something Also I love how Zab defends his players. Pls don’t rip them apart IMT. Pls

[@RexZShadow]

I mean they be crazy to not keep meteos and Crown. If like 100T is willing to give up Sssumday I say go fucking ham and buy him. coz you got Ssumday, Meteos, and Crown top side is fucking insane. That's easily top 4 contenting as long as you have a serviceable botlane. Now idk how much Crown want to stick with Arrow is the key factor there.

[@tudornaconecinii3609]

@@RexZShadow We already know Meteos works with Ssumday, that'd be sweet.

[@dirkdiggler7253]

Once it was announced that IMT was coming in I've been rooting for optic

[@vanceyoshizu7994]

@@RexZShadow hows asta and gate doing in academy? I remember someone sayin good things about asta in the beginning of the year.

[@nguyentri3608]

ecnav uzihsoy that someone was dom

[@davidkeo4893]

Zaboutine elevated this show

[@xav7erckp]

Great episode ! please keep him as a guest in the future !

[@peinxd]

"You'd buy froggen's bath water" lmfao

[@killerseba96]

1:56:55 David Moyes coached Everton before he coached Manchester United. Only mention this because Everton is a bigger club than Fullham.

[@awesomecoca]

And he coached Everton for over a decade... He got the job because Sir Alex wanted him to be his sucessor, nothing more.

[@EvelynDayless]

My first impression: Is Zaboutine wearing a fat suit?

[@killeak999]

'tin Zab... La route qu'il a tracé depuis les guides Tristana sur Millenium (avec les cheveux long)! Gros gg à lui! Aujourd'hui on reconnaît internationalement les qualités des analystes français sur le jeu (comme dans d'autres domaines:))

[@Destromath2]

I loved Duke and now I like Zaboutine, something about the frenchies

[@gaminfarouk]

french leaugue of legends casters ( former caster here) are really nice guys

[@Madplatty]

I’m actually a big dhokla fan. He gets so much criticism (rightfully so) but has these really good sneaky good performances. Look at week 7 summer lcs, he did amazing against good players too! I think he can really be the best top player in lcs with how he pops off after so much criticism plus all of his team mates love him. That’s my take and I hope someone else feels the same

[@Lillith_sv]

And then you watch him get stomped vs Aatrox in a winning matchup with his "signature Poppy" and be useless

[@naping]

Didn't plan on watching the entire thing, but Zaboutine is quite interesting.

[@BeanMGG]

Im a tsm and bjergsen fan but dam that first 30 seconds was funny by thorin. Lmfao

[@salvest3rr]

Bjerg is a kda dog who pretends he has no ego while literally everyone whispers in his ear that hes the best. Bjerg died in 2016 gg.

[@hazzsin3579]

@@zdenka7600 You do know most of that was 2016 and before. His statement still stands despite your argument. Since 2017 Bjerg hasn't had nearly the same success he did in 2016 and prior. And he is no longer dominating the region. Did he dominate crown? Did he dominate nisqy? Did he dominate PoE? Did he dominate Jensen? He hasn't been dominating the region since 2017.

[@zdenka7600]

@@hazzsin3579 ur legit delusional he shitted crown on worlds he fucked poe since he came on na imagine clg won a game vs tsm for like 3000 and something days .... let alone jensen who always was in bjergs shadow his whole career 2017 he demolished jensen wtf ur on he still does he almost never loses lane , jensen is the guy who takes all rescourses on c9 and now always last pick always carry champions given but he still finds a way to choke always underperforming on playoffs ...while bjerg on 2016-2017played mid supportive champs galio zilean and others and still had better stats than chomesen aka jensen

[@salvest3rr]

@@zdenka7600 TSM in 2014 was the only time (except for season 1 with a vastly different format + no korea or china) an NA team not called Cloud 9 made it out of worlds groups.

[@salvest3rr]

@@zdenka7600 Crown lead Samsung Galaxy to the World Finals, where they were defeated by SKT in five games. However, the very next year in 2017, Crown returned to the Finals face off against SKT and won.

[@43210o]

Gave it a thumbs up for Thorin's translation skills. Interesting episode too.

[@didierlembrouille7155]

"Sneaky's cosplay are garbage" Nemesis 2019

[@AbirZenith]

52:45 Thoorin for the first time was a bit salty

[@KleinpeterHank]

Thorins love for Froggen and then Locos love for Bjergsen is like the unstoppable force meets the immovable object.

[@nwfrs8208]

Great guest. Confident and articulate.

[@jackphillips6742]

Absolutely stellar dialogue.

[@TheRealCalPerr]

1:04:00 Loco is right. Everyone banned Hjarnan's Hiemer.

[@Sjeg84]

@@royalewithcheese17 RNG banned it in all 5 games.

[@juju543soccer]

Thooorin real af he says what he thinks whether or not the person is infront of him

[@ohhbliviousgaming]

Happy for zaboutine and optic

[@ohhbliviousgaming]

And croissant

[@metallica6207able]

Agreed. Tsm needs Meteos

[@TheSergio1021]

They need Dardoch ;)

[@atsumimd3552]

Hilarious and informative episode love it

[@fayis4everlove]

OPT did well earlier against TL imo.

[@AverageGamervods]

dam yall were ruthless. take it eassy on the guy. jfc

[@narutoX326]

David moyes was the coach of Everton not Fulham. I love football analogies though!

[@JIMMEH13NITSAW]

Timestamp?

[@TheRdg24]

@@JIMMEH13NITSAW 1:57:00

[@1nonlyGhostmanE]

This episode was very good

[@lakinther7183]

nah david moyes was not in fulham lol... it was Everton

[@ninjakirby777]

I bet they had a Ménage à trois afterwards

[@danielle4028]

I think dardoch on TSM would be great cuz he would clean out all TSM's bs ideas about the game that always screws them over whenever they have less than 4 top-class players (aka, post-TSMDoublelift era)

[@chillidog8726]

I think Biofrost right now is the second best support in NA

[@108noonoo]

shows how weak the supports are in this league when biofrost is one of the best if he went EU he would get dropped in my opinion he wouldn't be able to compete

[@theireckus9298]

@@108noonoo That's too extreme. He would probably be in a mid to lower tier team.

[@priestahhhood4664]

Locos aesthetic is perma "im a bitch boy" @Locodoco

[@hoodedapex971]

Let’s go optic!

[@persephone9360]

zaboutine knows his shit

[@joaofelipesiqueira21]

Just clarifying, Crown played in shit ORGs in Brazil, and I 100% understand why he hated cause even top teams have players that don't care so I can't imagine how players on horrible orgs are

[@TheKrenko]

Its really true what Loco said around 1:33:00, the comments of markz about Sneaky being waisting too much time with cosplay, and maybe thats being the reason of his slump is such a stupid comment. When people have a normal job, no one ask them to go home and think about that, why the hell a sportcaster thinks a pro player cant have a hobbie or a normal life? Stop acting like everytime a player is playing badly that he needs to play ever harder and harder and stop everything in his life. League of legends is a job, he needs to work during his normal hours. I say this because i listen so many commenters thinking that the solution for playing badly is not putting enought hours, but professional players already play an absurd number of hours. Look at TSM, is TSM better than the other teams for playing a crazy amout of hours? Korea lost last year and they are famous for gridding all day. Is such a stupid comment. Maybe markz (and others) should put some more work on is craft, he is having to much freetime to think in dumbshit. Not saying that sneaky is playing well, but please, if your job is comment on this things, dont judge someone by a such stupid and not professional view.

[@Fantsitsi]

Zaboutine french baguette Cabochar Soaz Nisqué blabla nianiania

[@saveion106]

where are the timestamps?

[@pistzmaster]

Timestamp???

[@ayh4968]

Thorin should have brought up what smoothie replied to him with

[@regulinetyler]

We need more Loco flame plz

[@HlebHD]

Thorin is Anakin Smacktalker

[@nonamed56]

the guy reading chat during Thorin's rant is pissing me off

[@kingl4d602]

You know... I really like the content Thorin and RL put out. I tend to agree with them on most points and I appreciate the flame and banter. I was pretty fuckin annoyed by the comment calling America a "trash-tier" country at 2:08:13 . I didn't ask to be born in America. In fact, given the state of American politics at the moment, I wish I wasn't. It just further solidifies the fact that the English tend to try desperately to cement themselves as superior and unique apart from the states and Canada when they're straight-up a watered down version of North America.

[@matzck9674]

Given the clown that is about to become the UK premier this year, English have no rights to call US trash tier lol

[@nashred]

Over 30 mins on Dholka was this before he smashed tsm that would be so funny

[@peoplesuck1363]

Yup

[@peoplesuck1363]

Before

[@MrCoolBunny]

I love that thorin called zaboutine out on his bullshit defending dhokla despite his poor stage performances. If you dont perform well on stage, who gives a fuck if you can play Irelia well in scrims and solo que

[@DaShooter12]

Make another with Dom!

[@NapoleonSoares]

Thorin plays XCOM? Stream that!

[@brunorangel1739]

I think everyone here wants dohkla to succed

[@loops1316]

31:00 oof.

[@joaofelipesiqueira21]

No more timestamps ;-;

[@luiz_paninis]

Would Sven be an upgrade over Xsmithie in Liquid?

[@hungerxhunger2548]

Yes and a pretty decent upgrade too

[@fayis4everlove]

nope. Xmithie is a much more stable jungler than Sven. yeah Sven has higher stats but Xmithie has balance stats. I'm talking about Mechanics vs Decision making. Sven has higher mechanics but Xmithie has more experience and better decision making. Remember that Xmithie has been to a lot of NA championship teams.

[@hungerxhunger2548]

@@fayis4everlove But Xsmithie has no chance internationally while Sven does since he has the mechanics.

[@StimulatingMC]

Xmithie is better for TL, Sven is thr better jungler rn

[@omarbehery.2347]

Jose Guardiola what a retarded arguement

[@Labben91]

Loco, the way you frame that Froggen isn't the most roaming mid, is equivelant to you saying he never roams.

[@frankycnguyen]

its friday and we are just getting this VOD up now! >:[

[@ukstevey]

ty buttpounder420

[@iulianjercan9787]

"He plays with this, he plays with that" evaluation logic has to end. There are very few cases you can make that argument but nowdays it's only used to downgrade an objective great player. Cut that shit.

[@alexandrumanole7460]

cabochard La La La

[@imdW]

what happened to euro tsm fan?

[@guyfeatherstone3563]

Thorin, Moyes went from everton to united, not fulham. Top effort though superstar lol

[@robertbesel1]

I dont know If Crown can be Happy in NA. You can Talk about Work-Life-Balance, but a true competetive Spirit Always wants to win and nothing else. CoreJJ is lucky that he got into the best team in NA so he can win domestically at least. I hope they can accomplish their goals, but there are dozens of players all around the world who work as hard as them but just have better chances.

[@kuolee8433]

Bjergsen, top 2 mid laner in NA, 1 man carrying TSM Doublelift, best ADC in NA by far Sven, the best jungler in NA, crucial to C9's success Haunzter, top laner with the best laning stat with little jungle resources Biofrost, half of the CLG bot lane that is hard carrying them to top 3 team Imagine what it looks like if all 5 players are on the same team.......oh wait

[@RS-xw1lj]

International failure.

[@kuolee8433]

@@RS-xw1lj At least they got to the international stage

[@l0lzor123]

Looks like a team that would lose to Europe's second seed

[@mathushanthravichandren7904]

its not that simple dumbass

[@yugi957a]

Brooooo why don’t y’all just put up the time stamps like no flame, u know, good show but I can’t watch till some poor guy maps through the whole episode!

[@J663B]

@@Chasingcrow reminder he puts them on here 3(?) days after live because he wants people to sub to his twitch to see vods so he has the time

[@bartholumew7483]

J 663 and?

[@adrianzaldana2167]

Meteos the GOAT

[@mathushanthravichandren7904]

Adrian Zaldana LOL

[@jls22147]

DHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKLA

[@menmen3828]

tsm needs ning

[@mathushanthravichandren7904]

Men Men retired

[@maeschder]

Duncan Thorin "I don't do memes they're trash, but i'll make N-word pass jokes (which are memes)" Shields

[@menmen3828]

NO TIKR STAMPS KEIL THESELF

[@nadermalekani2464]

first even tho im actually third

[@sethregman1312]

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[@fieldsy6642]

About 35 minutes in and I don’t really like the flow of the interview. I get being like, raw, blunt, and edgy is thoorin and loco’s style, but it’s a bit too much this episode. Let Zab speak and don’t totally turn his points upside down. I’m surprised he hasn’t just left the interview yet. Credit his professionalism.

[@victorpresti]

The beginning had a bit of jank, but I think the turning point was when Thorin said something along the lines'You're a coach, you're doing a great job over there, but don't tell me how to do my job', after that things settled into place and was a very good episode, one of my favs for sure.

[@PurpleScoutCookies]

TL has played a shit ton of Taric/Sona and still shitstomps NA botlanes wtf is zaboutine talking about. I'm pretty sure they've played just as much if not more sona than TSM.

[@andykim4159]

As weird as it sounds tl might be the best sona Taric/kench in the world because of corejj’s positioning and game knowledge. Not to mention they’re really the only top tier team to consistently, win on it. I can’t remember the last time they lost in sona taric

[@danielle4028]

@@andykim4159 any botlane combo in NA...TL is the best at because they have number 1 players in both positions. especially support

[@andykim4159]

@@danielle4028 i know rift rivals needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but they hard smashed with it against top EU teams too. TL in na is an afterthought. No need to talk about NA when they are miles above even the second best team

[@Izkimar]

I think he was referencing how much they practiced it, not pulled it out on stage.

[@lucasalarcon3230]

@@danielle4028 not really dl sucks with swain, vlad,cassio

[@itemtest1]

I think CoreJJ will be the MVP. And yeah TL will win LCS summer 100%. But I'm more interested to see them at Worlds, after they defeated IG like that at MSI :)

[@menmen3828]

MVP_KZ china is shit

[@cmemeism4935]

4th

[@ianwest7763]

Once again, Thoorin interrupting everyone at every point. It's getting annoying. I like him in entertainment, but jesus he's not very accommodating for discussion.

[@turlour]

First

[@isboredandonline]

Thoorin's analogies are painful...

[@walterkowalewski7271]

Every Coach in NA seems like shiit but Reaper

[@justeatmycerealalreadybro5953]

With the 500 Iq losing drafts

[@tobbe1224]

I swear thorin hates bjergsen XD

[@EvelynDayless]

He just hates people that like Bjergsen

[@tobbe1224]

@@EvelynDayless Seems like the same thing

[@EvelynDayless]

We don't know if Bjergsen actually hates himself.

[@tobbe1224]

Munashiimaru true that XD

[@MageKirby]

Zab's argument is used by most players and coaches, but this guy drives it to levels that makes it very annoying. According to this guy, you can't say anything about anyone because there aren't many official games played within a reasonable time frame.

[@GiefReplays]

great guest, and not just because that was the best burn I've seen on Thorin in a long ass time

[@toyotasupra7580]

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