Listen to me ramble about Dragon Age The Veilguard for nearly half an hour

[@prastagus3]

It just felt wrong from all the other DA. The writing made it into a sitcom of sorts.

[@amytheseeker]

Yeah... the tone just didn't sit well with me.

[@hnskiyo2784]

6:20 “Since when am I not supposed to be scared of a demon lord?” 😂 I feel you on that.

[@Axterix13]

For live service, what happened is simple: Anthem bombed on launch, and after 2 years, they gave up on it. And when they did that, they also decided to change DA:V from live service to single player. So the game had at least 2 years of a big dev team fully going down the live service path, before that course correction. You can see a lot of aspects of the game's design that seem to point back to that.

[@attilamarics3374]

they apparently changed course 2 times. they wanted also an MMO.

[@asarishepard8171]

I agree. I'm playing a rogue. But there's a special move with both thumbs thumbsticks where she sprays fire balls. I'm not playing a mage so what gives 😂

[@MasticinaAkicta]

@@asarishepard8171 it is almost as if all classes get some very basic things. Like Ranged Attacked, Close by Attack, and oh yes MAGIC to cause area damage. WHUT??? How? In Origins, yes were are here, if you were not a mage. You would not learn magic. Same though back as in if you were a mage, forget being good at blades, ranged attacks of daggers...

[@AlyxMSC]

"Promotional art all looked too purple for me." I don't know why but it make me laugh for like a minute straight, also, true!

[@maofria1452]

DEI colors

[@amytheseeker]

lol after I said that a ton of people said they kinda felt the same. The Inquisition was green but The Veilguard is purple! you go, sister!

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Veilguard looks a lot too purple for my taste too.

[@asarishepard8171]

@@AlyxMSC purple is a juvenile color to me. Barney was purple 😆

[@LunaWayve]

the moment i saw them rebrand to neon purple i knew this game was going to be very far removed from dragon age, it gave me watch dogs, harry potter vibes

[@asarishepard8171]

It pops but gives a very juvenile look. In medieval settings purple was only worn by royalty, which to me seems rare. Now they just splashing it over everything for this game.

[@amytheseeker]

Reminded me of Saints Row also. But Saints Row had always been purple, though. The last one was more pink-ish, I think. Is there a colour conspiracy going on???

[@SidheKnight]

I feel largely the same way. Why is it so hard to make well written, good RPGs these days? Baldur's Gate 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 are increasingly feeling like the exception rather than the rule.

[@amytheseeker]

Let's face it: Baldur's Gate 3 spoiled us!

[@SidheKnight]

@@amytheseeker Yup.

[@monozuki]

There's more, just a bit less flashy than BG3. First and foremost: - WH40k Rogue Trader (and I'm saying this as a complete newb to the 40k part of WH) - the lore and worldbuilding are the absolute best. The writing is amazing and companions are unique and romances are masterfully done (especially the murder space elf Marazhai) - there's literally something for everyone, voice acting is superb. The setting is dark and unapologetic and wonderfully refreshing. I cannot praise this game enough and for me it not only filled that BG3 hole, it rivals it. It, DAO and BG3 are now my absolute GOATs. - Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2 (same dev and setting as Avowed - the RPG that's currently set to release in Feb nexty year, but these are cRPGs). The series is like DA in that you will also upload the save from 1 into 2, but here you will continue with the same character! You can, obviously, change everything at the start, race, class etc, but your decisions and state of the world and characters and all that carry over so playing 1 first is most certainly highly, highly recommended. And it's worth it too - 1 plays like reading a very, *very* good fantasy series and you just want to know what happens next. With the world, history, companions.. everything. It's fascinating!) - Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous (fantasy, same dev as Rogue Trader, one of the precious few games where I actually like a goody-two-shoes companion because of just how well written they all are) - Greedfall - this one is an RPG (without the c), victorian fantasy with Spanish vibes. Very nice combat, really like MC, they are intelligent, unexpectedly kind and just a well written character. Companions are nice, there is romance too. There's a lot of mystery, exploring wild places and fighting strange monsters. - Divinity Original Sin 2 (and 1, presumably) - previous game(s) from Larian. Fully voice acted now. Really dig the sense of humour, the characters and writing. Will feel very much at home after BG3, though system is quite different. - if you're ok with a set character, then obviously Disco Elysium.. And then you have the older titles, too.

[@reffa2858]

18:45 Man I damn near choked on my water. That was so funny because its true.

[@amytheseeker]

glad u found it funny. I think I'm just ranting silly most of the time xD

[@sterenn726]

I'm waiting for Greedfall 2. He seem like the old Dragon age Origin. If you like grim dark universe with tough choices, Rogue Trader is a must.

[@unturned6066]

does it hasve character creation?

[@Dave_Parrott]

Ooh baby I'm freaking 100 hours in to my first playthrough of Rogue Trader. Best cRPG of my life, by a comfortable margin, and I've loved me some games in the past.

[@amytheseeker]

Has it released yet! I remember that one. Looked promising (too lazy to look it up rn)

[@unturned6066]

​@@amytheseekerit has, I bought it. It's pretty good, like their other titles, though most characters are "evil" (at least through the first act I've played so far), so if you don't like your allies casually sacrificing servants and peasants, this isn't a good one for you 😂

[@unturned6066]

I also tried greedfall 2 when Beta released, and it's pretty good so far, but I want to wait till more content is out to continue

[@marvelnube]

As a fan of the original DA since DAO I feel the same way, Amy. Totally understand what you feel and your disappointment. The thing that pulled me the most to DA is the dark tone and strategic combat. I remember it took me several tries before being able to defeat a dragon (which I forgot the name), and Flemeth. This was born from my love of the Infinity Engine of Black Isle (of Baldur's Gate fame). Veilguard is a game that I don't recognize anymore, and I heard from another youtuber that the writers actually destroyed Ferelden. Making all our choices, character, stories from DAO irrelevant.

[@asarishepard8171]

A great analogy for this series is a gymnastic routine. First one, dude they nailed that landing! Second, ok they tried a different move, stumbled but caught themselves. Third, damn did you see that finish?? Fourth gymnast got cocky, said watch this, then did a flip falling on their face. Oof 😂

[@amytheseeker]

idk where that came from but it's funny (and it works)

[@asarishepard8171]

@@amytheseeker i totally made this up, I claim it lol 😆

[@asarishepard8171]

" when you ask the commander of skull crushing " 😂

[@amytheseeker]

Iron Bull is the best!

[@asarishepard8171]

@@amytheseeker i love him, even bought that romance bundle from bioware store. I regret nothing lol 😆

[@MasticinaAkicta]

If this was not a DA game, okay new IP might be fine. But the fact that this is sold as a DA game ... please no. No! This is not a DA game. Under any other brand or name it would have been a AA Action RPG. Under Dragon Age we EXPECT things like good writing, Lore, well written characters, and a DARK fantasy.

[@amytheseeker]

Maybe if they hadn't changed EVERYTHING at once... maybe

[@sterenn726]

Ugh... Qunari are ugly. I mean, they always were ugly but... like Turians it was because their were too alien from human perspective. And that was great. I loved their design. I loved how sturdy the dwarves were, how small and petite the elves were. Now they all seem human but somehow uglyer. But Qunari here are really the worst.

[@attilamarics3374]

There are colored people of each races for soem reason. the entire thing looks weird.

[@sterenn726]

@attilamarics3374 Except for Qunari, it has always been the case in Dragon Age. That's not a big deal.

[@attilamarics3374]

@@sterenn726 I mean there were no blakc elves. Or asian.

[@sterenn726]

@attilamarics3374 Yes it has. Maybe not relevant characters but redo the game. Background characters.

[@attilamarics3374]

@@sterenn726 Whihc one? Inqusition? Because that doesnt matter. Origins sure as hell has none of these.

[@SirUlrichVL]

Well said Amy, can tell what you said was purely from the heart and I hope you get to find a new game to love as much as you did the Dragon Age franchise.

[@amytheseeker]

To be honest... I'm Sticking to Dragon Age The Veilguard. I'm gonna push another Playthrough soon (maybe) and see if perhaps if I do things differently, maybe I'll like it better... Maybe there's more to the game I missed. So far, I'm still left with a bitter taste.

[@Alwaysttango]

Luckily Baldurs Gate 3 stole my heart before datv could break it

[@amytheseeker]

Funny you said that. After the Veilguard, I immediately started a New campaing on BG3 lol. 4th Playthrough going strong

[@perditionxdream]

I've been feeling so empty trying to figure out what to play next... Trying to create a better playthrough of Veilguard? But how? I got the best ending and I can't live through the lore and fourth wall breaking cringe one more time 😢 It's gonna have to be a new bg3 run, at least I finished honor mode so I can mod it to smithereens 🥹

[@Altair112pl]

27:58 older d&d titles are worth trying. stuff like neverwinter nights, baldur's gate, icewind dale etc. there's also knights of the old republic, back from when bioware was at the top of their game.

[@amytheseeker]

I just started playing Neverwinter Nights 2, just recently and though it's a bit mechanically clunky (by today's standards), I'm liking it a lot so far

[@SIeepyDoge]

This is a very good review. I agree that if it didn't have the bioware name it probably would have been better received. Heck it didnt even need to be a dragon age game. It would have been a very serviceable action rpg.

[@PaulusAlone]

To be brutally honest I think that without the Bioware name and the Dragon Age tag this game would be regarded as a very poor God of War type clone? Just look at the numbers on Steam who aren’t even finishing the game as it is but quitting in the first 3-4 parts or chapters? That shows that even with hardcore fans of both game studio and the Dragon Age franchise itself, there are still too many hardcore fans who are giving up on it! THAT is the biggest problem of all when you cannot hold even your most ardent fans for the full game!😅

[@amytheseeker]

That just makes me sad. I really wanted this game to do better because I want a 5th Dragon Age game!

[@amytheseeker]

Warms my heart to hear that. I'm a very passionate fan

[@Softkarian]

Hey, just wanted to say that I loved the video and I agree with everything you said, I was surprised to see that you're a small channel. As a long time fan just like you I despise what they've done with the saga, and the worst part is, they're gonna do this to Mass Effect too, and Mass Effect was already completely buried into the ground with Andromeda, but I know they can make it sink even lower. At this point I'm just waiting for Bioware to keep destroying themselves like this until there gone and I'll just laugh. Anyways, really cool video, you got yourself a new subscriber, I hope you make more videos like this in the future, loved hearing your opinion and you also have a really cute voice ^^

[@amytheseeker]

Love to hear that. Stick around. I might make more videos soon. I have no regular uploading schedule, so I do this as a hobby.

[@perditionxdream]

"So forgive my rambling, I gotta go look for a new favorite franchise". Maaan, those words hit home! I've been watching KZbin-videos and reading reviews articles non stop for days since I finished the Veilguard, because I have this hole in my chest and so many thoughts spinning I need to get help put into words. That's is it, that's the hole, the sorrow. The reason I don't want to replay the game, the reason I have to mourn what the game could have been, should have been, as a follow up to literally the best RPG series in the world. 😭 Forgive my ramblings, I gotta go find a new favorite franchise...

[@amytheseeker]

I really hope they fix it though. There will be a dragon age 5, probalby. In the meantime, we can always replay Baldur's Gate 3 for the 5th time :D

[@perditionxdream]

​@@amytheseeker I really hope so too! That would be such a dream if they would fix the game, I would love that. I don't have much hope since so much of the issues seems to be very conscious choices and hills they might want to die on, but hope is the last thing that leaves us right ^_^ I am actually looking forward to the 5th game and I'm kinda hyped for the lore reveals :D And it's so funny that BG3 player count increased so much after Veilguard release, because BG3 capture that perfect Dragon Age vibe so I totally get that... I started another playthrough as well XD

[@Kat1kafka]

The plotwist with varric was nothing but cheap writing and an insult to the fans. Also how he was falsely advertised as one of the companions.

[@PaulusAlone]

Agreed! The Varric Solas plot twist wasn’t clever and it required way too many plot contrivances and situational scenarios to avoid that little trick of Solas not getting noticed by the others? Most of all it was an insult to the character of Varric and robbed us of the chance to grieve him in game while also proving those leaked rumors about Varric to be true…what a downer!😔

[@ikarikaoka]

Perhaps my position could be considered suspicious or "influenced" because I haven't even played the game, but I did some research including spoilers, read different (serious) reviews and talked to people who played the game. I don't believe the game is terrible or a failure, just as I believe it can please and enchant different niches of players. However, given my personal preferences and expectations, which I consider realistic given the history and tradition of DA, I can say that the game doesn't have the same appeal and enthusiasm that I had for the conclusion of this cycle. I won't go into details because that would require a long text. Even if an opinion is not objectively positive, it may have the merit of being representative when finding voices with lucid and similar arguments. I understand that preferences and expectations are subjective and I don't want to be unfair to the game, but this adapted formula is not compatible with my vision regarding the format and development of the tittle in different departments. Let's just say that I'm in no rush to play it now and I hope that Bioware can achieve a financially satisfactory result involving this product. As for players who are enjoying the experience, no problem; I'll maintain a more nostalgic stance.

[@PaulusAlone]

They (Bioware) are getting the audience they went after…unfortunately that isn’t us older fans of Dragon Age or the fans of role playing games in general.

[@amytheseeker]

What do you mean by "Serious reviews"!? Am I a joke to you??? Lol. just kidding. I get your point. My opinion is tainted because of the previous games, I guess. But, you haven't played the game, right?

[@ikarikaoka]

@amytheseeker Peace! No problem. Yep, I haven't played it yet, but I'm comfortable with what I've learned from the information I've gathered. I understand better what was missing or had little "care" to capture my attention and interest - even based on personal research and investigation. It also happened that some choices didn't please me or disappointed me. It's sad, but I'm happy for those who think differently and enjoyed a good experience with the game.

[@maaz5027]

The moment a game abandons its uniqueness just to appeal to a broader audience and prioritizes awareness over good writing is the moment the game loses its identity and makes the fans angry, turning the game into something that most people will sort of like from something some people wouldve truly loved. Bioware always knew their audience and played into their strengths and it was simply magic. Hopefully Bioware will come to realize this and get their act together for ME5, even after three disappointments in a row I am still hopeful and hope to experience the bioware magic again.

[@MasticinaAkicta]

I don't expect much better from Mass Effect 5. Mostly because the old writers are LONG GONE. And if this is the best the NEW WRITERS can do. Well then ME 5 is already dead.

[@maaz5027]

@@MasticinaAkicta Controlled expectations is the safest bet, but ME5 is being developed by veterans of the trilogy and Gamble has said ME5 will have a serious tone unlike veilgaurd.

[@amytheseeker]

I really, really, really hope they realize that this is going in a weird direction and correct the course on the next game. Also I hope they don't botch the next Mass Effect

[@PaulusAlone]

Totally agree with your take!👍

[@amytheseeker]

Nice to hear that! ^^

[@franklinfernandes5593]

"It's too much work to hate them one by kne" I don't know this guy, but I'm already a Fan

[@amytheseeker]

The Iron Bull. Look up his quotes. He's... sensational

[@eestiny9734]

A baby griffon pinning down an elven god? 14:30

[@-SaintUK-]

nah thats not an elven god thats just some blighted creature. basically a darkspawn emissary. also griffins are strong bro even a baby! they took on archdemons along side wardens

[@serenth8310]

Now now, the executors! deliberately made them extinct for a reason! Have you not played any of the games you tourist!!!! It's all in the lore 🤡

[@SrmegaCabra]

That's not one of the Evanuris

[@amytheseeker]

say whaaaa---??

[@ShoppingAttic]

Its not an elven god SPOILERS BELOW Its isseya from the book The Calling

[@andrewvincent7299]

Corypheus while they dropped the ball on him after his attack on Haven, he was still a great villain. Very intimidating like you said. Great back story. AMAZING voice actor who delivered his monologues like a megalomaniacal maniac would. He really was great but like I said, he was ruined in the second half of the game when he became a passive villain instead of an active one.

[@amytheseeker]

I'm totally biased. I frickin' love Corypheus. But I like your take. I mean, It's been a while since I last played Inquisition anyway so maybe I'm looking at it through rosy-tinted nostalgia lensesc :P

[@andrewvincent7299]

​@@amytheseekerI'm actually with you. I LOVE Corypheus! He is a fantastic villain and always captured the attention any time he appeared. It's just my opinion that Bioware started the first act of Inquisition great with him but dropped the ball in the second act. I felt he turned into a bumbling fool who always had his plots foiled and was always a step behind the Inquisitor. Plus, the rushed ending did him no favors. If he was properly fleshed out and continued being more active in his attempts to thwart your character, he would have been perfect

[@amytheseeker]

@@andrewvincent7299 Look what you did! now I have to play inquisition again just to see if you're right.... awww sh*t! Here we go again.

[@andrewvincent7299]

@@amytheseeker Haha well, at least you'll get to see the greatness that is Corypheus again. Beg that he succeeds for he has seen the throne of the gods and it was empty lol. (His quote in his introduction lol. Ugh he was so cool)

[@StardustSynchron]

Funny wordplay :D

[@Spartan8278]

It is very frustrating that it gets flak for being diverse. Diversity is not the problem, the problem is just that the writers are not the greatest at writing. There is such a thing as subtlety. And it is very important in storytelling. Especially in fantasy where allegory is the name of the game (sorry Tolkien, it's true). Something that people get wrong about this whole controversy is that "games aren't political"... that's absurd, of course... games & stories in general have always been political. Especially ones that people say aren't. DA:O, for instance, calls out racism explicitly with the interactions between Humans & City Elves; it mocks & condemns reactionary nationalism in the Dalish Elves and Loghain; it calls out the oppression of organized religion by having the Chantry complicit in slavery & murder -- similarly, the Shale DLC also condemns slavery & praises slave rebellion; Leliana is a heretical lesbian church nun & former spy; Zevran is a bisexual (poly?) assassin who is depressed & wants to die after murdering one of his lovers on contract; Morrigan is a highly formal, witty witch who has cripplingly bad social skills due to an abusive & treacherous mother (who is also a near-immortal demigod?).... ....I'll have to stop, because as I think through it, nearly every single thing that happens in the game is a highly charged political/social statement with a heavy-handed embrace of diversity. So why does this game get a pass on this stuff? Simply because the writers wrote it better. They wrote it in a relatable, human way. It's nothing to do with content, everything to do with presentation.

[@amytheseeker]

I couldn't have said it better myself (Yeah, I literally couldn't)

[@temperedfangs1486]

You are simply adorable, have a subscription. 😂

[@amytheseeker]

Thanks for the sub. Glad you liked the video :D

[@T00_SHADY]

Very well said Amy. I think, actually I wholeheartedly believe, that we play these games and stories to escape our mundane reality at times. You played Witcher III: Wild Hunt, to feel, like Geralt of Rivia and losing yourself in that world of The Witcher. The lore. The fantasy and action. I honestly don’t understand what they’re doing at times lately. I loved inquisition it was my first time playing Dragon Age. This one…still boggles my mind why they did the sexual identity thing. “Pulling a Barv” was just. Cringe

[@amytheseeker]

Dude, that was absolutely cringe. Hard to watch.... really

[@weareharbinger914]

"It does not mean it is objectively good or bad, there is no such thing when the subject at hand is art." That statement is objectively false. Videogames, much like movies, books, etc. Are products, we can tell if they're good or bad. Just because someone likes something that sucks, doesn't mean it is good. Like a book or movie, the writing matters a lot. Dragon Age Veilguard, objectively, is written poorly. "Bioware has always been aces at storytelling." End of ME3. Andromeda. Most of the good writers are just gone. I never understand why people think this is good combat. It is the same thing from about hour 10 to maximum level. The combat doesn't change really at all, you do the same thing, for dozens of hours, the enemies are basically always the same the entire way through, you have barely any abilities and you have to spam regular attacks to use them. We're 9 years post Witcher 3, which is significantly better combat The storytelling IS bad. Pacing, stakes, emotional investment, its all either incredibly shallow or dealt with so fast you get no time to feel anything. Also has a tendency to be undercut with very...'marvel' level humour. On its own as a game, it would be mid, maybe slightly below, as a dragon age game its awful.

[@amytheseeker]

That's likely true. Many people commented here saying the same thing. Apparently, I was wrong, I guess. Thanks for pointing that out :D

[@Dexyu]

You nailed it. Im currious , what are you seeking Seeker?

[@amytheseeker]

I'm looking for the PROPER answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. I mean, they gave me an answer a while ago, but I didn't like it very much so I keep seeking

[@iurysaraiva3411]

For those who played Origins first, Inquisition and Veilguard are a punch in the bag.. hurts, and the same thing happened with other franchises.. players from 1990 to 2010 suffer

[@AzureBlaze1212]

Darkspawn are such a joke it’s like 🤦 any of my fellow warden players can think back to Ostagar and the tragedy of Duncan and our king falling at Loghains treachery. They were menacing they enjoyed inflicting pain it’s a game but it inspired feeling of betrayal and revenge such writing and art styles brought about the success of origins.

[@amytheseeker]

They look like they were meant to be a fortnite skin

[@Hepburner]

Heya. Just found your channel, and you basically summed-up eveything I found wrong with Veilguard too. You think Baldur's Gate 3 has set the benchmark too high?

[@eurapeon]

Did Dragon Age: Origins set the benchmark too high? She never mentioned Baldur's Gate 3, but spent a lot of the video comparing this game to previous Bioware titles

[@amytheseeker]

No, I think. Compared to the studios who are putting out these AAA titles (like EA and Ubisoft for example), Larian is a relatively small studio (They made Baldur's Gate 3, for those who don't know). If they could pull it off with a small team and a smaller budget, why can't these giga-publishers with tons of money do the same?

[@mathewcooper8505]

I think the story was good! Though its opening acts were a bit weak. I think what this game needed was an “origin” kinda like DA origins. I needed to see Rook and Varic meet. Like… I Matt, know Varic. But I need to see Rook and Varic get to know each other

[@amytheseeker]

I agree the first act was kinda meh and that the story grew on me later on. Though... It's a lot of time to invest in it until it really starts to take off. As for Rook and Varric being friends from the begining, I think it was OK. It was a different narrative experience, where we have the feeling that they were already bros. It's kinda nice they took this different approach. MAkes us feel like our character has a whole life going on even while we're not playing.

[@mathewcooper8505]

@ that’s fair I suppose, and there was an awful lotta time passed between inquisition and now. Still it just kinda had a bad side effect for me… or maybe it worked as intended. Like, when I was getting close to the big reveal, I was feeling pretty disappointed in how the game handled varric. He said so little compared to everyone else in the lighthouse. That left me feeling like, “wow either Varic isn’t friendly with anyone here” which was out of character. Or concluding “wow, the writers don’t like him”.

[@capnphuktard5445]

Crimson Desert will erase all memories of it.

[@amytheseeker]

You mean that in a good way, right? RIGHT? T.T

[@capnphuktard5445]

@@amytheseeker Yes that game looks incredible?

[@michaelmcparland]

It's a shame, i was so looking forward to a new dragon age. Thank you for the review, most others talk about how its not selling and about taash. It's was nice to hear a review that felt less like an attack on the game, just an honest opinion from a fan of the series.

[@amytheseeker]

Thanks for saying that... I just wanted the game to be good. I don't want games to fail nor do I feel like a personal achievement when they do.

[@jonnyxquest]

Really enjoyed your video, I hope you make more. But I would disagree that you can't judge art as objectively good or bad, particularly video games. after all, if the game simply doesn't run, then that would make it objectively bad. I think other design elements can be considered objectively bad, like puzzle design, enemy AI, etc. All that being said, it think it's totally possible to still enjoy an objectively bad game, and I don't think anyone should feel shamed for liking a bad game. You're free to like whatever you want, don't let anyone yuk your yum.

[@amytheseeker]

Interesting take on the "objectively bad" part. I never thought of it that way. I always saw art as something entirely subjective, so... I just don't feel comfortable saying something is good or bad (relating to art, that is). But mechanics and some design (since it relates to function) I believe can be judged as good or bad depending on if they work or not. Am I making sense?

[@jonnyxquest]

@amytheseeker yeah, I would agree. Video games are a weird hybrid for art. As far as the look and design of the game, it's purely subjective. The same goes for the content of the writing. Whether you like the story or the characters seems subjective to me as well. But even then, if the art in the game is rendered poorly, missing textures or broken meshes, you could call that objectively bad. Though I wouldn't say Veilguard suffers from that, it seems to look and run just fine. Likewise, with the writing, the content may be subjective, but the structure can be measured objectively. Think back to how you may have been graded in any creative writing class, things like plot holes or contrivances, character motivations, and expository dialog. All of those things in a written story can be judged on objective merits. When put in a game, especially and rpg with player choice, the way those choices are written and presented can be judged objectively, whether your choice was clearly presented to you before you made it.

[@zephyr8072]

I feel the main issue with the story and characters is you aren't allowed to disagree or have real conflict anymore, you're prevented from RPing your character and reacting in any way other than affirmitively or passively. This is why characters like Taash come across as annoying and preachy. There's nothing wrong with characters that are abrasive, petulant or even stupid. The key is to allow paths to let them actually develop, confront them, conflict with them. I'm not even talking about options to be mean or evil, just to be able to tell them when they're out of line and guide them. If you ask me this trend began in full force with the ending of Mass Effect 3. You were not allowed to RP your Shepard, you couldn't disagree or conflict with the Starbrat, or present it with the blatant evidence that it was clearly wrong. You had to accept its broken logic and then choose an option from the Endingtron-5000. I think this flaw and arrogance in writing is now _everywhere._ No matter who you want to play as, you must conform to what the writer wants even if it's opposed to what the player wants without even the illusion of choice.

[@amytheseeker]

You can't control your party, there are not enough dialogue options and your choices don't seem too matter much. You can't disagree or be mean... it all takes a lot from the immersion and experience

[@csais1]

nice take and your voice is cute.

[@ryannewman4412]

What accent is this

[@cheekyjebus5559]

Sadly it's not even worth yarr-harr-ing to me, it's just an abomination.

[@GreyWardenArlethaVakarian]

The Veilguard feels like a nightmare you never want to re-experience. The game would be way better if they erased Dragon Age before the Veilguard. If they wanted to make a real Dragon Age game, they should've stucked with the lore, kept the factions like they should be, the crows for example. They are contract killers, not the good guys, they are horrible monsters, buying kids and training them to an assassin, regardless of the losses. The lords of fortune steal from whoever they meet along the way. The preachy crap using words from OUR world, Traash sucks she wants to be respected and is disrespectful towards Emmrich calling him names and trashtalks Neves clothing. WHY do you have to respect someone who doesn't respect others? The top surgery scars in a MEDIEVAL FANTASY GAME doesn't belong in Thedas, the tiniest wound could kill someone if no potions nor mage is around. The only things I like is it's graphics, the different hairstyles and the final 2-3 hours. I want to be morally grey and tell Traash to leave Damn Krem was so interesting, he is so well represented in my opinion.

[@amytheseeker]

I wouldn't be so drastic. The game is not terrible. It's just not good enough

[@GreyWardenArlethaVakarian]

​@@amytheseeker its my personal opinion I hate the Veilguard, played and finished it twice all I want is to erase my memory. I loved the Dragon Age series, DAO came out at the perfect time, the game saved my life. I will always be grateful for my stepfather he gifted it to me in december 2009. I dont know if you played Dragon Age Origins back in 2009, if not you´ll never understand WHY I hate the Veilguard, most day one Dragon Age fans do. I am happy for you that you don´t hate it, but I do I am 31 almost 32 in a few weeks and I´m no longer the targeted audience, the Veilguard feels like its made for teenagers and damn am I lucky I survived my teenage years. thank you for answering I appreicate it

[@amytheseeker]

@@GreyWardenArlethaVakarian You played and finished it twice even though you hate it?

[@Fabulous-Spider]

If they had better writers and be less preaching it would have gone better.

[@amytheseeker]

Absolutely. that would've fixed 70% of the problems. The combat is cool though. Nota gonna lie. I like it.

[@Fabulous-Spider]

@amytheseeker I agree combat was good. Maybe give control of companion and make the skills less flashy

[@bendrix1932]

Worst. Game. Ever.

[@amytheseeker]

Nah, not like that. I also got frustrated, but there are worse games. You should check the GTA remakes or WarCraft Reforged. There are worse things that could happen

[@Dave_Parrott]

"First off, I'm a big fan of the franchise." There's the problem, right there. I think I know how this video is going to go...

[@amytheseeker]

Yeah, I didn't like this one, but I liked the other three :(

[@RandomWandrer]

I loved Veilguard. It's more of a cinematic action game, with a handful of significant choices. Not so much a traditional RPG. However, I have had a fantastic time with this game. Its beautiful, bug-free, the combat is excellent and the overarching story was incredible. Especially how this story tied the history and lore to the origines of elves, dwarves, blight, more. Anyone who says "writing bad" hasnt played this. Maybe the inter character dialogue was generally cheerful (I didnt get that from Davren or Lucanis or Neve, but Bellara and Harding sure). A brilliant game. Not what I expected, but brilliant.

[@asarishepard8171]

Hey one of the game devs got in here 😂

[@amytheseeker]

Good to see some people liked it. I really hope more people think like you. Gives me hope for another installment in the series.