The Green Party is a ‘dustbin for disgruntled hard leftists leaving Labour’ | Peter Mandelson

“The Green Party is becoming a dustbin, a repository not only for climate activists, but for disgruntled hard leftists leaving the Labour Party.”
Peter Mandelson says the Greens will “rue the day when they threw open their doors to all these people”.
Along with Polly Mackenzie, Daniel Finkelstein and Matt Chorley, they discuss why Rachel Reeves is saying that the Conservative government is "gaslighting" the British public about the economy.
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[@CT99234]

'Hard leftists'? You mean people with left wing views which Starmer's Labour Party has made clear it has no room for, but welcomes in members of the hard right. Call the Green Party a dustbin all you like but at least they have a vision and some semblance of political ideology.

[@leftgrrl]

At the moment the Greens win despite their ideology, dependent on looking fluffy and not facing scrutiny.

[@thejuiceking2219]

remember, no matter how right wing you are, there will always be people who think you're far left

[@kincaidwolf5184]

Look at the Green Party in Scotland. They pushed for the banning of log burners...

[@alaninsoflo]

Peter Mandelson is everything that is wrong with the Labour Party aka the Pale Blues. #VoteGreen

[@kincaidwolf5184]

The greens in scotland are awful

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@kincaidwolf5184 The greens in England are trying to outdo them in awfulness

[@NoJusticeMTG]

Cope harder, landlord ​@@kincaidwolf5184

[@MarKeMu125]

​@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 there needs to be a proper anti neoliberalism party that the masses can get behind.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@MarKeMu125 I am a liberal. I don't want the loony far left or the loony far right.

[@DylanSargesson]

If you're in a Labour/Tory marginal, the cold fact is that a voter who switches from Conservative to Labour is worth twice as much than a disgruntled former Labour voter who switches to Greens/Independents/Don't Vote.

[@ANDY1985UK2011]

true but when corbyn was leader in 2019 there were so many people like me in marginals that just didn't vote

[@DivinaDeCampoTV]

This is why Mandelson is so disliked by so many and so many young people are turning away from Labour. We know what the problems are we know they can be fixed and every plan to fix them has been walked away from and those still in place have been rolled back so much they won’t achieve what’s needed.

[@MurphyOCP-001]

56% of 18-24 year olds with an intention to vote, intend to vote Labour. More than all the other parties combined. Stop talking nonsense.

[@RuMixesButBetter]

There are so many public services crumbling & we have had stagnant wage growth for over a decade. There’s zero chance of the Tories changing that in the space of 4-5 months

[@benedict-4965]

Or labour with five years

[@gavinsmith9564]

@@benedict-4965 Not without reversing the Brexit damage which they've pledge not to do.

[@garybown2682]

@@benedict-4965 So just stick with what we've got then?

[@benedict-4965]

@@garybown2682 vote workers party

[@garybown2682]

@@benedict-4965 🤣

[@sarahbarrett1247]

Yes they are. And it’s not restricted to the economy. We’re gaslit about most issues.

[@SomeRandomGuy121]

Yes. Playing off the pandemic woes, their actions inactions on to others, tactically, hiding themselves in it, making it a "them problem" and not a "them problem". Big play to keep the world lost and stung between these nations/authorities and continuing on with them. $$$$ vs. Viral betrayal. Etc. These lot left the world to warfare in the midst of some pandemic, china made a noise, they threw a hissy, china stated "perhaps it came from an american soldier", here we are now : warfare. "lockdown now" "cannot, will not, will not F me and my friends" - Very $$$$ vs. "Perhaps it came from an American soldier"... The interactions of these nations, of these world leaders, left too, threw too, intentionally, us people, this world to this via that pandemic. "will not f me and my friends" "seek to destroy OUR ENTERPRISE", it also smells personalised, definitely nationalised (given the system, personalised aint far from and with regarding nationals) and they're hiding it. As i said day 1 and since as viua the words from their mouths and a lil understanding of the international interaction, They were just out to rope it open, milk it, the world hangs in it economically, its basic pathogen warfare, it could have been a setup for worse, they made it seem they had just found it, seemingly, by observation it spread prior, me and many others here were very ill prior to the fuss, it had mainly spread, and given "say nothing" etc. they would let it, say nothing untill someone "had too", if at all, vaccines and variants, death pandering and so on.. "blanketed", hidden it. Fear fills hospitals, anti vaccine agenda makes everyone hate anyone not following official narrative. Saying it certainly isnt pathogen warfare... Blind? Everyone here was ill prior. They were out to do 0 with that virus, hide it all, open it up, milk it, it had already spread, it was a global economic FFest, ww3 trigger, still is. ITS MIDST : !! When putin was talking of lockodwn - "expect some oil shortages". Oil the blood of war. I was dumb on this point at first, "if they have to lockdown, can expect supply lines to dwindle".. blonde, focused on the virus and having no response due to the economic situation, rather than the pathogen economics itself.! Blonde. "those who seek to destroy our enterprise" said truss at the time that pipeline blew.. Covid was and is a financial playoff between these world leaders. They left it too it "0 treaties", initiated it "locdown now". Thats just the world we live in. House, religions, people strung between in a field of financial and populate dominance.

[@user-nq2th7zw2b]

This isn't helping people this is bullying them with work or starve . Sick or not

[@SomeRandomGuy121]

This is, we have openings, in the army, frontline for you, play off their hands and their plandemic VS.

[@user-zc4yd9ss7h]

Many green candidates would surely be considered far more decent people than Natalie E, who Labour have welcomed with open arms despite a very very dodgy background and racist views.

[@user-hb7tw9iv5m]

Gaslight is a book by Patrick Hamilton from which the film was adapted. Young people definitely know what it means

[@MrDunkycraig]

I got 19 mins into this before i had to switch of listening to Mandleson who is as culperable as Blair for the state of this country along with how many times he had to resign from office. Why is he still allowed to spout his poison?

[@geoff9759]

Anyone who wants a true reflection of the UK economy - wherever you live, go to your nearest town or city and see what the actual situation is. I won't say, go and see.

[@allip4226]

The only thing I'm interested in hearing from this government is when they're going to call a general election.

[@nickedwards212]

Well there's one thing for sure they will DEFINITELY BE OUT by Friday the 31st of January 2025. Yippee 👏👋

[@archvaldor]

What are you expecting to happen when we get a different load of suits with the same policies?

[@MarKeMu125]

​@@archvaldoryeah, I agree. Starmers other neoliberalism party will get in and change literally nothing of consequence. The populous will get further disillusioned and 5 years after that we'll have the far right in power. Yaays /s

[@arma21regency]

Just when I thought I couldn’t despise Mandelson more than I already do

[@abctransparency5]

Mandelson: "When they say free Palestine, they mean free Palestine from Israel." There's nothing wrong with that, Sir. Free Palestine from Israel so both countries and peoples can live side by side in peace.

[@fredfish4316]

Palestine is Israel. Palestine is the Arab Muslim name for Israel. When the muslims say free Palestine, they mean Israel. The muslim arabs have been trying to drive the Israelis into the sea since the 7th century. In the early stage of the 6 Days war, Israel realised that Europe and the US were going to watch their annihilation. So they aimed their missiles at the Arab capitals. The jews were helped because they made it clear that they were not going to go through another holocaust and will not give up their ancient homeland. On the other hand the members of Hamas are Palestinians. They are not Chinese, or Indian or South Africans. Hamas live in Israel (Palestine), have family members and friends and neighbours who support them and committed the most appalling terrorist atrocities against innocent people. 133 of those victims are still unaccounted for. Israel has tried to forge a peace, over decades and had a workable peace deal in place, brokered by the Saudis, which Hamas decided to torpedo. Palestinians refuse to live in peace with infidels. Israel had even offered them Jerusalem, twice, but it nothing was never enough. Palestinians do not want peace. Terrorists want jihad and hence, jannah.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

You won't get peace or freedom for people in Gaza with Hamas in power. Thats the point.

[@busterbuster1641]

Mandelson = your run-of-the-mill high-powered sociopath

[@joea4234]

Like many ex-tory voters… i will never vote Tory again. Join the customs union & single market like Brexiteers said we would be mad to leave. #enduringtorychaos

[@patcampton7163]

Labour are also sgaslighting.

[@edwardodonnell6857]

The Tory answer to inflation/recession just divert public attention onto disability benefits

[@YUDNSAY]

If you work on the principle that ALL politicians have a degree in lies, and obfuscation, you won't go far wrong.

[@thejuiceking2219]

that kind of attitude is what gets us into this mess in the first place, it's a self fulfilling prophecy

[@edwardodonnell6857]

Just hope ordinary people finally see the tories for what they are they get rich you get in serious debt with no human rights no sick rights no working rights in fact no rights.😮.

[@fToo]

do we really think that Mandelson has a mortgage?!

[@willduffay2207]

But this is the basic Conservative ideology, and has been for decades: the poor are to blame for being poor, because they don't work hard enough or because they don't get better jobs. Never mind reality, just go with ignorant, arrogant prejudice supported by zero facts.

[@NeonVisual]

NET ZERO TORIES BY 2030!

[@patcampton7163]

Insulting voters is not a good look on any side, Mandleson.

[@michaelchantler334]

Not Betty Davis, Ingrid Bergman 😂

[@pothos9913]

I checked the comments just to see how soon someone would correct this. Such a brilliant film and a fun watch.

[@archvaldor]

You really do have to wonder how people get a gig like this when they can't google stuff.

[@stephenashworth2480]

The tories have turned so many corners now, it has to be considered a death spiral.

[@stevecoppin6396]

it's like riding on a ghost train

[@badbooks476]

@@stevecoppin6396 Tories make the Ghost scream

[@fookesyb]

doesn't Sunak realise it is possible to turn a corner whilst still maintaining a downward trajectory, or be veering out of control.

[@user-ol3xe5fz4u]

if any of these smug gits earned 25k a year without any savings or their own home be so smug??

[@pmcgktr]

I’m not anti-capitalist for not wanting Palestinians to die. What a braindead take 16:54

[@howmanybeansmakefive]

It rally is quite something, for the presetners to pat themselves on the back, all 'politely' saying how all the pro-palestine radicals are anti-imperalist/anti-capitalist/anti-western/corbynistas, at least Polly said something, but then a drole interruption with bette davis trivia to shutdown the real conversation from actually occurring.

[@davidbell217]

Even jesus can't save the Tories 😂😂

[@KernitTheFont]

You mean Satan? 😂

[@patcampton7163]

Why would he want to? He was a socialist.

[@SuperMarion61]

Yet again I add, if you mean cutting the #PIP disability benefit,mostly for those with predominantly mental health issues, is NOT an out of work benefit😰 Do your 🧐 I got the previous DLA (disability living allowance) while working at DWP😂 I have a 40 year old son, disabled from birth in a good managerial job, but needs part of his PIP to have his car (these are his legs)😢

[@nickedwards212]

That's really good. I knew a man who had mental health Issues and he doesn't get PIP. Because the year before last on christmas eve he took his own life. He was only 37 years old 😫 May he R.I.P

[@nicksimmons7234]

Priti Patel told us in lock down, shop lifting was down. This was went all the shops were closed. Thats not political campaigning it’s just being thick.

[@knobfieldfox]

It was an Ingrid Bergman film from 1944 called Gaslight

[@TrevorBarre]

NOT Betty Davis, Dan. It was Ingrid Bergman.

[@rnanerd6505]

No. Two things. 1. A lot of mainstream centre left pro European labour voters are increasingly upset by the Brexit lite nature of the current Labour Party and votes could hemorrhage to the greens from that source too 2. The 21st century will increasingly face huge environmental challenges and green politics is destined to grow, huge support among the young. Labour would be wise to embrace green politics

[@seanoconnor8843]

Regarding the world economy, apparently more shipping cargo capacity was produced last year than America built between 1935-45. All shipyards are working 3 shifts and will be for at least 4 years. I wouldn't worry about the economy

[@jamespitman5450]

Gaslighting: any of these three telling you they're motivated by public service and the common good

[@user-tc7qb7st2d]

High time Mandelson was expelled from Lsbour

[@theman2017inc]

CORRECTION the film that Daniel Finkelstein referring to didn’t star Bette Davis There were two versions of the film titled GASLIGHT, the1940 British original then the later Hollywood remake from 1944 with Ingrid Bergman not Davis

[@gullygullible9774]

In England 0.1 percent rise in economic performance is to be celebrated lots of jokes in there 😊 As for Peter Mandelson you'd think he was able to vote twice

[@peterelgood1656]

I think Danny is remembering the film "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte" with Bette Davis and Olivia de Havilland which exemplifies gaslighting in the plot. Anyone agree?

[@seanlee-fp1vi]

Deluded tories have no chance

[@SwindonforEurope1]

She sounds like Starmer. Same cadence, same pauses and emphasis. They've got the same speech coach!

[@catherinemartin6258]

Most definitely

[@DylanSargesson]

6:00 really feel like this is just him showing his age here - "gaslight" is a very common word (even off of Twitter), and even if it wasn't the meaning was clear from the rest of the sentence.

[@TrevorBarre]

Owen Jones has left Labour! Boo noo, I feel so sorry for the Greens.

[@michealhunt6607]

Dont, at least they don't have a creep like one of Jeffery Epsteins best mates one **checks notes** Peter Mandelson advising them whilst letting in literal tories, left, right and centre into a so called "left wing" party

[@strikeforcealpha9343]

So what else is new?

[@Katzzzz]

"What is London?" I'm canvassing for opinions.

[@TheMatthooks]

The numbers for momentum that will be silly enough to leave the party is tiny. It's genuinely not going to make a difference. They're making the perfect the enemy of the good. However, this bloke forgets the left at his peril. We are the core of the party.

[@patcampton7163]

Even at its height Momentum was only 40,000. They try to make anyone even slightly left to be bogey men.

[@Tiredsoverytired]

Follow the money. Learn about sound money principals. It will teach you a lot and you will see everything clearly.

[@alloursongs]

There was a great film with Bette Davies, featuring a situation of gaslighting: Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte, 1964.

[@badbones777]

Can't see how they can truly call it a conservative achievement (equal marriage) when about 2/3's of the party voted against it.

[@leftgrrl]

The Tory MPs split much more like 50:50 than that, but it was an entirely Lib measure.

[@bobmoshersmonsters]

I'd be more offended if this wasn't coming from a close friend of epstein, photographed on his dodgy island, how many "massages" did you get Peter? Gross

[@guff9567]

Gas light ended in the 1940s

[@UKprl]

I mean I have stayed in caravans such at Gt Yarmouth or Dawlish Warren and the first few years they were definitely lit by gas mantle, I can still remember the smell. The calor gas was doing the cooking and hot water too, I am not sure they had electricity as such or you paid more for that. And this would be in the 70s.

[@guff9567]

@@UKprl oh sorry. I meant street lighting, generally

[@stoicsceptic8420]

Just the economy ? 😂😂. Schills.

[@prestigepea1235]

Ingrid Bergman film thank you very much!

[@chriswright3179]

Yes

[@carltontweedle5724]

All that gas whey does not someone light a match.

[@henryblunt8503]

I could forgive Danny for getting Betty Davies mixed up with Ingrid Bergman (though Peter has rather let the Gay Team down by not correcting him), but you're all supposed to know stuff like the difference between the Alternative and Supplementary Vote. Again, Peter really should have known this as it was Labour's Plant report that invented the system.

[@patcampton7163]

I prefer Norman to Danny. Far more intelligent.

[@Iazzaboyce]

If Starmer was for the people he wouldn't have stabbed JC in the back.

[@woodngames]

kzbin.infoygr6Br5cqsQ Cameron snippet for those that know

[@michaelmullins3396]

It would be nice if this propaganda Chanel reported the fact that a severe incident has just taken place between the Russian foreign ministry and the British foreign ministry, where the British ambassador had been given a dressing down by the Russians over provocative statements made by the pig farmer Cameron regarding the use of British weapons against the primary territory of Russia. Similar statements have been made by the Americans and French , but a major back down has been made by both the French and British , with virtual Silence from the British, including the vast majority of the British media. Once again the British people are kept in the dark about what the British government are doing on its behalf.

[@christiansquibb1]

Normal 5 minutes of nonsense comedy at the start.

[@user-wj7cv9hb5j]

Lol Rachel 2 houses reeves 😂😂😂

[@royboy565]

Just 6 houses behind the average tory M P

[@justjackman]

Arguably the most influential politician of our generation is Nigel Farage and he’s never been in any formal power

[@808State21]

Unless they give me a free New build im not voting for them.