Discussing the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and the Class of 2020

[@keithheitner1020]

The two biggest omissions are Jethro Tull and King Crimson. Tull has a unique sound, sold tons of records, had a handful of classic albums and were/are a great live band. KC had a completely original sound on all their records. Hugely influential. Always a great live band in all their incarnations

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

I haven't looked into the numbers in at least a decade, but at one point Jethro Tull was one of the top 50 best selling music acts of all time. I'd be stunned if they weren't still in the top 75.

[@jayburgin3912]

Todd Rundgren deserves to be in for his music, but also he was one of the first artists to use the internet as a musician. Think of how important that is for music today.

[@Ianmackable]

Also one of the first to understand what video could be, and the producer of several hugely influential albums, including the all-time classic Skylarking.

[@takodabostwick8507]

I am a DJ on a college radio station and I'm not so sure if I'll ever get the chance to play the Dave Matthews Band. However, after my second show since coming back this year, my mom encouraged me to play Depeche Mode and Duran Duran. I thought about it, and I agreed to play them on my show. I've been playing both of these bands a lot. And The Cure as well. Before my hiatus due to the pandemic, I only played one song from The Cure. When the pandemic happened, I said that I was going to the radio station no matter what. Unfortunately, college closed, and we had to do online learning, which I hated. That meant no radio and I was pissed off. It took almost 2 years for me to get back on the air. But ever since I came back, I'd been playing The Cure, Depeche Mode, and Duran Duran like crazy. All of the bands I said are fantastic. And my mom grew up with those 3 bands. She's not much of a metalhead as much I have. I do play metal as well on my show, but she doesn't like it that much as I do. She loves my 60s/punk/alternative shows more. I play a ton of 60s on my show because most of my favorite bands ever came in that era. The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks, Dave Clark Five, The Animals, The Yardbirds, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppelin, The Byrds, CCR, The 13th Floor Elevators, The Pretty Things, The Monkees, Cream, and many more. I really like the 1960s music a lot, and with my mom liking that music, it makes it easy for her to listen and love my shows. My grandma isn't a big music as much as me, but she does appreciate that I play music from the 1960s, when she was a teen. However, she texts me ever time after I'm done with my show, and she says good job. Ever since I came back, I've been trying my best to expand my music. I thanked my mom for reminding me to play Depeche Mode and Duran Duran on my show. These 2 bands are fantastic. Depeche Mode deserves to be in the Rock Hall for sure. And they just got in on time because Andy Fletcher passed away this past May! And Duran Duran had been inducted this year. Definitely an MTV favorite for people, they had given us awesome songs and albums! Their 80s output is fantastic! Their 90s output is extremely underrated. The 00s were pretty solid, except for Red Carpet Massacre; that's a piece of turd. Their last 3 albums don't need to be as good as they are, but they're awesome. The Cure in 2019. So, does this mean that we're get a chance to see 80s acts that aren't in are going to be inducted in the future? We'll have to find out. Judas Priest are getting in, but for Musical Excellence, which is an insult. Judas Priest is another band that I love and I'll be seeing them live tomorrow! Can't wait to see them, it'll be amazing. And Iron Maiden needs to be in as well. Another all-time great that needs to be in the Rock Hall.

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

The Tom Johnston era of The Doobie Brothers was pretty great. That lineup produced several classics- "China Grove," "Long Train Runnin'," "Blackwater," "Jesus is Just Alright," "Listen to the Music," "Take Me in Your Arms," "Rockin' Down the Highway." What did they "lead" in? Well, you could argue they were the premier "stoner rock" band of the '70s. As much as I like Michael McDonald's voice I think their music took a downturn after Johnston left.

[@roxannewalsh]

You point at the right issue here - Doobie Brothers are one of those two-in-one bands where two completely different bands share a common name and you ask two people and find out they talk about the other one. Like with Genesis or Chicago (or The Cure, however the difference here is that Cure were two brilliant bands...).

[@TheGenreman]

I think it's time for some Jazz Rock bands to be inductated, for example The Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report, Return To Forever and Soft Machine.

[@LisaTedescoVC]

Jason, I think that if you guys parsed Pat Benatar’s catalog and really learned about her history and impact she had, you would change your mind. So many female and gay male musicians will never be given their due; I stopped taking the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame seriously along time ago. It’s a fun place to visit though. Enjoyed Depeche Mode week, guys. Thank you for all of the work that you’ve put in. ✌️💙🎸

[@craigplanting8804]

"Inside the museums, infinity goes up on trial. Voices echo this is what salvation must be like after a while."

[@RandyforRoyals]

Warren Zevon and Graham Parker should be in the Hall of Fame.

[@knutstwo1826]

Graham Parker👍

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

I would definitely put Pat Benatar in. She has a handful of absolutely classic songs and was very influential on female artists.

[@charlesswitzer8378]

Yeah. I think Pat and Chrissie Hynde are the pinnacles of female rock.

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

@@charlesswitzer8378 I agree, but don't forget Heart.

[@jayburgin3912]

I agree with what you said about the Doobies, but they have so so many charting hits and had 14-straight charting albums in the 70s-90s (8 of which hit the top 10 albums list in the US). Every single one of their albums in their "heyday" went at least Gold or Platinum except for their debut record, and many of those went to Double Platinum or even Diamond. Hard to argue with that kind of chart success. They epitomize 70s pop and probably deserve to be in on their FM radio Oldies station rotation alone...While I think a lot of their non-hit material is sort of weak, there hits were HUGE. Plus they've been touring non-stop since 1970.

[@Ianmackable]

I respect the Doobies for pulling off a major mid-career rethink without losing any of their popularity. Not that I ever liked them much, before or after the change. Well, okay, there's Black Water and What a Fool Believes...

[@dylanmccoubrey5615]

The biggest shocks ever in Listography, 3 thumbs down for MC5 and Jason’s thumb down for the original and best electronic music group Kraftwerk.

[@roxannewalsh]

I cannot blame people who are too young to know, really. And as you see such sources like this Hall of Fame or the recently discussed Rolling Stone Best Albums list are not helpful for the subject. I was there when it all happened so I know a lot about the Krautrock pioneers and their impact, especially on musicians who took their ideas and became famous with it. Same for the MC5 or the Stooges. You hear the music of the 80s and 90s and beyond and know exactly where it came from. But it always happened that way, you only know where Led Zeppelin or the Rolling Stones came from if you know about the blues and folk sources they knew. And then you start to appreciate why those bands were so great because you recognise what their achievements really have been when they took those inputs to the next level.

[@peterfitton4529]

Especially bizarre when you consider that all three think Depeche Mode deserve to be in. D Mode but no Kraftwerk? Wtf?

[@dylanmccoubrey5615]

@@peterfitton4529 Kraftwerk and other German bands like Neu and Can have had such a major influence in Rock Music of the last 50 years. Similar to the effect blues had in the 1950-1980’s period.

[@SD_Marc]

Right? WTF?

[@peterfitton4529]

@@dylanmccoubrey5615 Yes, that was kind of my point.

[@timbates6309]

My problem with Whitney Houston, Notorious B.I.G., and similar artists getting in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is that they are not rock & roll artists. They should just rename it the Music Hall Of Fame.

[@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy]

Yeah, the Modern Popular Music Hall of Fame would be a more accurate title.

[@Ianmackable]

I would contend that Biggie embodies the spirit of rock & roll more than a lot of people in the Hall do.

[@Carback27]

My Canadian brethren, The Guess Who.

[@Ianmackable]

Agreed. I think maybe they get penalized for too many personnel changes.

[@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy]

@@Ianmackable They've inducted Deep Purple, The Doobie Brothers, Fleetwood Mac, and ELO, who also all had numerous personnel changes (though not all members were included in their inductions).

[@Ianmackable]

@@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy I know. I'm only grasping at straws as to what their reasoning might be. For me the Guess Who absolutely belong in the Hall.

[@frangarcia7774]

You guys should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame! As far as I am concerned, I don't care at all who's in or out. If I knew whether they are in or not, which I don't, it wouldn't affect an inch my opinion on an artist. Enjoyed the discussion though and the thumbs contest.

[@NaughtyVampireGod]

Hey Fran. Agree w you on this.

[@frangarcia7774]

@@NaughtyVampireGod you know what they say with great minds... Lol

[@zackamania6534]

What are you guys talking about? The Doobies are GREAT!

[@nelsonmaud1]

agreed listen to the music

[@celticbird2398]

Rock Hall of Fame doesn't even have King Crimson. What a joke.

[@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy]

Even if they ever do, I doubt Fripp would show up.

[@wesleyorser4451]

A few observations that come off the top of my head (I've taught myself to not get too up in arms about these type of discussions): 1. I'm not a Doobie Brothers fan by any means, but there's something to be said about the fact that you have countless hits that are just played endlessly on classic rock stations to this day. Off the top of my head: Black Water, What a fool believes, taking it to the streets, jesus is just alright, listen to the music, and whatever that song is called that goes, "without love, where you be right now!" There's something to be said for having that many recognizable hits that subsequent generations still include on their classic rock playlists, so maybe we can save raising our pitchforks for the day the Little River Band gets inducted. 2. As other commenters have pointed out already, Warren Zevon is the first name that comes to mind of artists being snubbed. He might honestly be the most underrated songwriter of his era. Talented at both the piano and guitar, brilliant lyricist, and the first two albums (self-titled and Excitable Boy) especially showcase the variety of songs he could write. He could rock the hell out before delivering a ballad that could just tear your heart out Dude was the whole package. 3. I definitely would not put Nick Drake and the Turtles in the same category. Drake was obviously more spiritual and introspective in his lyrics, and his guitar playing was exceptional and influential as well. These inductions at the very least bring renewed interest to these older acts who would not have gotten it otherwise, and Drake is certainly due for that.

[@jesuschambers]

The Little River Band deserve to be inducted for just one song alone: It's A long Way There. The full version is a masterpiece that always gets overlooked when discussing great songs of the 70's.

[@charlesswitzer8378]

Exactly. Their music saturates classic rock stations...they should have been an obvious pick years ago...but I could care less really; their biggest hit just encourages people to....listen to the music lmao

[@garretttillery261]

Heartbreaking to see the disrespect towards Cocteau Twins. My favorite band and insanely influential.

[@charlesswitzer8378]

I think it's the same with Kate Bush; the work just flies over the head of mainstream tastes.

[@knutstwo1826]

Every year brings more dilution, a concept that has seen it’s better days………..

[@fidoz2370]

Finally, someone speaking truth about the Doobies.

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

I was born and raised in Seattle so I might be biased, but I would also put every one of the big grunge acts in the Hall.

[@johnhackett6332]

Look guys, I really do enjoy watching these video's! My point's are simple, I just believe in respecting what's been accomplished; looks like you do too. The groups that started this whole thing are true musicians and deserve their due... The RRHF doesn't seem too have real balanced and published criteria for nominations. Seems simply to be a crowd pleaser for ratings. (they also should change the award name - it's not all rock music being presented)

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

Sonic Youth and Motorhead are no-brainers for me. Get 'em in.

[@painless465]

Biggest snubs; Jethro Tull Blue Oyster Cult Mott the Hoople Pere Ubu Wire Captain Beefheart Can

[@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy]

Also King Crimson, ELP, Procol Harum, Supertramp, Todd Rundgren, Devo, the list goes on...

[@georgedantz4027]

MC5 most definitely!🎸🔊👍

[@danny1959]

If Kate Bush should be in, and I agree she should, Annie Lennox and Eurythmics should be in. Both are enormously important influences on women in rock and pop music.

[@davidnelson6874]

Who is protesting the Styx is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I hope no one.

[@PaulShemmy]

Being an Aussie...INXS...But what about Warren Zevon? Joe Jackson...massive lack of European bands in there too e.g. Kraftwerke...Love your channel....keep up the fantastic work

[@TastesLikeMusic]

The Hall is super Americanized that’s for sure. - Joe

[@johnw706]

Gentlemen, your disdain for the Doobie Brothers puzzles me . The have a trio of great albums in Toulouse Street , The Captain & Me , and What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits . Those albums have some great guitar playing and harmonized vocals , qualities that are right in your collective wheelhouse. I can take or leave their work in the Michael McDonald years , but a lot of their earlier stuff was great . I saw them live in ‘74 at Massey Hall in Toronto , on the Vices tour , and they were excellent. A skinny young kid named Billy Joel opened for them ( he was great as well ) . Whether or not they belong in the Hall of Fame is for others to decide . Listen to those three albums again , and if you still feel the same , well , we all hear things differently. Cheers !

[@wreckage-vs5jv]

NIN invented industrial genre..how old are you? I got the debut album when it came out btw. I'd say he was the first who knew how to make a living from industrial.

[@THEEArmoredSaint]

The Doobie Brothers are not exactly Hall of Fame worthy, but I loved watching them on What's Happening back in the day.

[@Puddin_Tame]

I think the biggest snubs are Jethro Tull, Warren Zevon and...The Monkees! There! I said it! :)

[@lionelraoul]

John Coltrane deserves induction.

[@mr.marcus3123]

Rock and Roll?

[@jamesreckling6697]

I believe he is in.

[@Ianmackable]

@@mr.marcus3123 Yes.

[@lionelraoul]

@@jamesreckling6697 I don't believe he is. I know Miles Davis is. I disagree that the Hall of Fame is narrowly defined by chords or instruments. Rock 'n roll is a state of mind as much as a genre. Purists would make the Hall a mausoleum of a certain age. It transcends time and style. In that way it is always relevant...even if they sometimes miss the boat on who should be selected.

[@maccaobeccao238]

Biggest snubs: Oasis, Blink -182, Jethro Tull, ELP, King Crimson, Super Tremp, Blind Faith, John Mayall and Blues Breaker, Derek and the dominos, Family, Taste, Kris Kristofferson, America, Scorpions, Rory Gallagher, Lenny Kravitz, Freddy King, Delaney & Bonnie & Friends

[@jaarcayas]

There are so many artist to mention that you need another program just for that. Supertramp, The Go Go’s, Joe Cocker, Bryan Adams, New Order, Late Bush, Don Henley as solo artist and many more

[@mr.marcus3123]

Crosby and me agree! Little Feat needs to be in the RRHOF!

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

It's not a slam dunk but I would put both Duran Duran and INXS in the Hall. Arguably, they're two of the 10 most prominent bands of the '80s. And after all, it's the "Hall of Fame," not the "Hall of the Critical Darlings."

[@david.leikam]

They should change The Hall name, if they are going to cross genre, which is perfectly fine but Rock and Roll is pretty particular in music style and deludes that genre/style if you are lumping it in with others.. Yes, they also need clear cut standards on qualifying like long term music influence and if they still have pop relevance.

[@someguy7424]

I think LL Cool J does belong. Whether you like his music or not, if the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is going to include rappers, LL's career is easily in the top 10 in the history of the genre.

[@sbdowling]

Thumbs up thumbs down is sweeping the nation!

[@bengalgangster]

i disagree with the doobie dissing there are tons of bands in the 1970s not in yet i believe it is the most overlooked decade

[@musicmoviereviews6026]

I've been listening to music since The Beatles hit Ed Sullivan and the Hall of Fame has always been a joke!

[@garethjenkins6273]

John Lydon described the Hall of Fame a piss stain. Who am I to argue?

[@markgatica12]

I stopped caring about the R&R HOF a long time ago. It is misnamed and has no standards. It was originally weighted too heavily toward early pioneers, which included basically anyone who ever entered a recording studio prior to 1960. The guy who swept the floor on weekends at Sun Studios is probably in. And it has gotten worse. Now, there is no longer any requirement that the artist or producer or whatever have any connection whatsoever to Rock. It is for all genres, and the only thing that seems to matter is being the most popular artist that isn't already in. That person or persons get in next year. It's almost automatic.

[@ttmilbr]

From Cleveland, so I'll just say, hey, thanks for visiting. I would like the RRHOF be more of a people's museum and less the music critic's museum. Less Laurie Anderson and Randy Newman and more Journey/Bon Jovi. I'm not a big fan of the latter, but if I have to explain to someone who someone is, they should not be in the RRHOF! Also, RR has always been a big tent. Motown, Metal, and yes, Rap! It's what my son and his friends listen to constantly. To not include it just make it an old-people museum that will soon be completely irrelevant.

[@EvanB9487]

Album ranking of The Black Keys or The Flaming Lips

[@roxannewalsh]

What an educational channel! And I thought that I could not learn very much about Rock & Roll anymore...and there I find myself a complete fool. So - Whitney Houston is a rock 'n' roller but Lemmy lied to us all these years with claiming he was one... To be honest, I saw that Hall of Fame mentioned here and there but never paid it any attention. It seems that I missed some really good comedy channel. This must be just as funny as that Mr. Trump explaining things to the world. "Does humour belong in music?"....let me guess, the great SOUL artist who asked that question is not in that Hall of Fame.

[@ryankramzer1256]

I don't think any of us are basing our opinions on "rock n roll" purity, but going off on how the hall already is defining it. Not that we agree with them. They opened the door for pop and rap so... Yes, by that standard, Whitney should be in

[@ThePhysicalillusion]

I wonder who would be the RnR Hall Of Fame equivalent of Joe Tinker, Johnny Evers and Frank Chance (players that are probably only in the Baseball Hall because their Tinker to Evers to Chance double play combo name was catchy).

[@SD_Marc]

Soundgarden (who I like), over two of their big influences, MC5 and Motorhead? Boys, boys, boys... You're opinions are clouding the criterion. I'm speechless. Duran Duran? HAH!

[@threestringsomg]

I think legacy us the reason any band should be commended.... international legacy even

[@slippyslug7270]

The thumbs down for Kraftwerk is the most shocking thing I have ever seen on Listography haha! I know it is just an opinion but this is inherently WRONG! Sorry man, Kraftwerk is WAY too influential not to be in the hall of fame! They played a massive and essential hand in creating a GENRE. Depeche Mode without Kraftwerk? Come on haha!

[@slippyslug7270]

Love what you guys do though. Keep it up!

[@roxannewalsh]

They are only consequent here. Did you know whom Ralf Hutter of Kraftwerk called their main influence? The MC5 - three thumbs down from the Listographers.

[@ryankramzer1256]

I thumbs upped kraftwerk!

[@slippyslug7270]

@@ryankramzer1256 Your thumbs up is noted but you could , and should, have given Jason way more grief for giving the thumbs down to Kraftwerk haha!

[@ryankramzer1256]

@@slippyslug7270 lost cause my friend

[@RichStrickler]

I like the Doobie Brothers. Solid rock & roll band. Not sure if they're Hall of famers? But if they are in what about Bad Company, Grand Funk Railroad, Styx, Foreigner, Boston, Jethro Tull, Jim Croce, Warren Zevon. All 70s artists that deserve consideration.

[@ryankramzer1256]

Sure, but this is the point... Or at least it should have been a while ago.... Where does it end? So far just about every single group of the 70s have been mentioned in the comments.

[@ryankramzer1256]

It's just an index at this point

[@ryankramzer1256]

It's just an index at this point

[@kylelooper2156]

Unforgivable HoF snubs: Kate Bush, Joe Cocker, Radiohead, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Soundgarden, Sonic Youth. Instead, we get The Doobie Brothers. They're basically saying that if you sold albums in the seventies, you should be in the hall, even if you're a second tier band.

[@knutstwo1826]

Joe Cocker👍

[@roberthardin2133]

Doobies are just alright with me

[@knutstwo1826]

😂

[@iseeshadowseverywhere5992]

The Dobbie Brothers were on What's Happening. Remember Re-Run!!

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

I agree it's ridiculous that Maiden and The Smiths aren't in. Although I bet they'll both be getting in within the next few years.

[@Ianmackable]

I wonder if the Smiths' chances are hurt by Morrissey's recent politics.

[@davidkornblatt991]

Janes Addiction and JanandDean thumbs up

[@iseeshadowseverywhere5992]

Hall & Oates should be in!!!

[@mutant_blues]

The awards honor those who give them and never those who receive them ...

[@keithmarus8554]

All those 90!’s electronic acts- Chemical Brothers, Moby, Underworld? .

[@Ianmackable]

Great for a while, but lacking in staying power, I'd say. Massive Attack and Portishead, on the other hand, get my vote every time.

[@chrisdelisle3954]

Maybe not Husker Du...but definitely Bob Mould! And King Crimson. And Guided By Voices, if only for Robert Pollard being the most prolific songwriter of all time. And also their 1993-2004 output.

[@Ianmackable]

Pixies and Nirvana both owe a massive debt to the mighty Dü.

[@zanezeiter]

two big snubs are styx and i am surprised Kram didn't mention the scorpions, unless he already figured they're in lol

[@nickseifert9891]

My top 25 not in the hall of fame that all should definitely be in: 1. The Smiths/ Morrissey solo 2. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds 3. The Jam/ Paul Weller solo 4. Blur 5. Beck 6.Oasis 7. Pavement 8. Replacements 9. Xtc 10. Wilco 11. Iron Maiden 12. Kate Bush 13. Slater Kinney 14. Pixies 15. Elliott Smith 16.Pj Harvey 17. Sonic Youth 18. Weezer 19. Big Star 20. Smashing Pumpkins 21. Husker Du 22. Warren Zevon 23. DMB 24. Flaming Lips 25. Outkast Please explain to me how any of these eligible bands/ artists are not in the hall of fame.

[@TastesLikeMusic]

Can’t explain it! Or actually, probably because Jann Wenner doesn’t like them. - Joe

[@nickseifert9891]

@@TastesLikeMusic haha, yeah I forgot if it's not in the Rolling Stone bible it doesn't mean anything.

[@marctoupin3968]

Roxy Music have been inducted about two years ago.

[@iseeshadowseverywhere5992]

If the Cars are in so should Hall & Oates!

[@JAugust]

IMO the Doobies are essentially equivalent to the Eagles. Both quintessential examples of the 70's pop sound. China Grove, What a Fool Believes, Long Train Runnin, Black Water, Taking It To the Streets, etc. If impact on the charts counts and is reflected on classic rock radio today as a measure of lasting impact then yes, they belong in. 48 million records sold is nothing to overlook either. I agree that B.I.G is not rock and roll. Should Garth Brooks be in the R&R HOF? What's in a name at this point?

[@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy]

The core problem is, there are only 5-7 inductees per year, which has created a huge bottleneck, especially considering most people will acknowledge popular music has gone to shit since the '80s ended.

[@fidoz2370]

Nick Drake is the John Cazale of music. Only 3 albums and all classics.

[@charlesswitzer8378]

I think 2-3 inductees per year is substantial, not 5-6...it then just becomes a name check recognition thing. Not that the Hall of Fame is really even relevant any longer. I mean, what is the exact criteria to be inducted? What do they look at? What does a band/artist have to do to grace their...incredibly boring halls...Whitney is fine..but she was pop through and through...at this point they may want to take the name "Rock & Roll" out of the title.

[@solsussman742]

I’m still mad that iron maiden got snub

[@brianmiller1077]

I always thought the Doobie Brothers were stacked with session pros. I really only recognize Skunk Baxter and Michael McDonald and Corneilus Bumpus.

[@dmerls8571]

Kraftwerk is the biggest snub, perhaps only the Beatles have been more influential. Nine Inch Nails, TRex and probably Notorious BIG don't deserve it. But these guys are mostly guitar rock fans with occasional forays elsewhere. Good for what they know but not popular music authorities.

[@Ianmackable]

All I want to know is WHY AREN'T WAR IN THERE?

[@jackkitchen154]

What about weezer or the national?

[@TastesLikeMusic]

Weezer will someday. Probably not the National. - Joe

[@jackkitchen154]

@@TastesLikeMusic do you think father John Misty, beach house or mac demarco will ever get in?

[@TastesLikeMusic]

It will be interesting to see how they handle the major indie acts of the 2010’s. By the time they’re eligible inductees will probably be primarily pop, hip hop, and whatever 70s acts are left to scrape off the bottom of the barrel. I hope those bands get a look, but I’d be surprised. -Jason

[@shauncullen3989]

The Smiths won't get in because they won't reunite for the concert. In fact it would be surprising if Morrissey even showed up. The Hall doesn't want to waste their picks on artists that won't add to the brand. If you guys aren't familiar, Black Flag's last album "In My Head" is a hard album not to have an opinion on. Definitely not what most people would associate with "punk."

[@shaynewest8757]

Then explain TRex going in

[@paulh6673]

OK, so they might not be multiplatinum sellers, but MC5 and Motorhead had a significant impact and influenced countless bands both in the punk and metal genres. They rock, and they roll. Kraftwerk, shouldn't even be an argument. Of course they should be in there. The Replacements and Thin Lizzy both combine hard rockin' n' hard livin' with some all-time classic songs and a good old dollop of yearning poetic romanticism. Black Flag, just for the punishing, pioneering tour days, forging a path so many others would follow. Also, the early EPs and 'Damaged'. And the second side of 'My War', while being almost no fun at all, sort of invented grunge. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds should be in there, just saying, APROPOS of nothing. The Smiths, screw them. The Fall should be in there. A hologram of Mark E Smith could attend, and probably still piss off a few ex-band members. Husker Du should be there because they wrote Zen Arcade and New Day Rising and released them in the same year ffs. And a new future-grunge, alternative, shoegazey type band were birthed every time a drop of Bob Mould's sweat fell to earth.

[@michaelbaucom4019]

Bands snubbed who merit induction Kansas Supertramp REO Speedwagon Jethro Tull Styx Warren Zevon Iron Maiden Judas Priest How can you have a cutoff when you're forced to wait 25 years from the first record release? And define " influential " or " important ", that's differs from person to person. And the Doobie Brothers aren't influential or important ? Ask folks alive and aware in the 70s, you'll be told otherwise, and not nicely either

[@alancser1167]

Depeche Mode is one of my favorite bands and deserve to be in but how do you not put in Kraftwerk? Without Kraftwerk there is no Depeche Mode. Todd also belongs. Listen to Something/Anything . I rest my case.

[@Ianmackable]

It's a joke that Kraftwerk aren't in. They're arguably the second most influential act ever. And Nick Drake, absolutely. If Elliott Smith gets in before him, I give up.

[@BazStrickland]

I think a lack of The Smiths is cool. They were not huge at the time and still remain niche in some ways so, yeah get your grubby corporate hands off them and leave the indie and outsiders. They were, and possibly still are, for people who don’t feel they truly belong

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

I think they'll get in soon. If they were from Boston instead of Manchester they would've been in already. It's the quirky Englishness of their music that kept them from being huge in America.

[@jamesreckling6697]

I’d like to see Warren Zevon and Joe Jackson get in.

[@Ianmackable]

Zevon, yes. Jackson? Hmmm...

[@jimtremblay5539]

10 snubs King Crimson Jethro Tull Warren Zevon Replacements Pixies Blue Oyster Cult J Geils Band Thin Lizzy Iron Maiden Judas Priest

[@JohannesYtterstrom]

Fun video! I like Whitney Houston. She had a great voice but as some others state, "ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame"? How rock and roll is she? Offcourse other not rock and roll artists has been put in so I guess why not. Just strange that influential and REAL rock bands doesn't get in. At this point. Hate or love Iron Maiden - But they are one of the most famous metal bands and on the top of rock bands overall. Sold many albums, still do huge tours and pretty much never went away. How can ANY of the voted this year be passed before? I don't know. No disrespect to any of the bands.. Just in Rock and Roll logic it doesn't any sense.

[@SD_Marc]

I don't rate Depeche Mode, period. Synth-pop nonsense. TRex way over DM.

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top says Depeche Mode's "Personal Jesus" is his favorite song of all time. Apparently he's hearing something you're not.

[@SD_Marc]

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 then maybe Billy Gibbons should decide who belongs in the HOF.

[@SD_Marc]

@@lednails give me a break. Bang a Gong is one of the most covered songs out there. Is Depeche Mode even rock? Hardly.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

@@lednails Never saw any real similarity between them-Bolan had commercial success before Bowie did as well as Tyrannosaurus Rex.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

They were certainly synth pop when Vince Clarke was there early, but became a very dark band with Gore taking over the song writing. Don't see how they cannot be in-huge record sales, 40 years as a top level band, high critical acclaim, great live band, huge influence on other electronic artists, obviously Kraftwerk were the pioneers-but of the generation that copied them they far outlasted & outsold the other electronic bands of that era like Human League, OMD, Ultravox etc.

[@joeyruss3933]

I feel like the arguments about artists shouldn’t be inducted because it isn’t really rock isn’t that compelling, and it feels more like they don’t want them getting inducted. Even in the 1st year, James Brown and Sam Cooke were inducted into the hall of fame. If you’re a rock purist, do they really deserve to be inducted with folk like Elvis and Chuck Berry.

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

In the end, all these barriers we put up are artificial. It's all just sound- the same notes being re-combined in different ways. That's why don't have a problem with the Rock Hall including all types of genres. If you ask me, rock 'n roll's flexibility is what makes it so great. It's capable of subsuming/assimilating every other musical tradition in the world. Without that ability to change it would die.

[@Ianmackable]

Yes.

[@Scrubjay001]

Bon Jovi New Jersey better be on someone’s list for 1988 or I’m going to yell at my phone. :-)

[@ryankramzer1256]

Poor phone

[@TastesLikeMusic]

RIP your phone. - Joe

[@wesleyorser4451]

Something tells me the Bon Jovi inclusion ship has sailed after 86.

[@ThePhysicalillusion]

King Crimson to me is the most glaring omission, for In The Court Of The Crimson King alone. Pat Benatar: 👎 Dave Matthews Band: 👎 Judas Priest, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy are Motörhead are borderline to me Kraftwerk: 👍👍👍 (I concur with the “Jason, you’re so dumb”) 😂 Todd Rundgren: not a huge fan, but maybe

[@kenzoby8300]

Totally disagree w you on the Doobies. They were huge in the early mid 70s. They have 10 -12 songs everyone knows. On TV shows etc. I think most people look at R and R induction as sales, influence and impact w touring etc. I think Doobies were the best pick by far. Keep in mind it’s Rock and Roll Hall. They are more rock and roll then other inductees. Btw I really do like TRex . Also, I saw Dave Matthews as they were starting out in bars . You really need to see them in concert . Incredible music great energy, fun!

[@TheGenreman]

The doobies yes, whitney no

[@docvader82]

You brought up a couple of interesting ones. If Soundgarden is a yes, Alice In Chains should be. AIC is my favorite band of that era hands down. The Big 4 is a very real entity in the thrash world. Metallica is in the HOF because they crossed over and just became massive. Megadeth crossed over for a time, to a lesser degree(but every metal band was to a lesser degree) and had a few big sellers. I think they should get in due to artists' respect/cred/influence even more so than their sales/popularity. Dave Mustaine is an asshole, he's offended everybody. But he's influenced nearly as many. Eddy Van Halen just passed and is an immortal among guitar players. Dave isn't at that level, but strictly in the metal world he's way up there. He was officially credited with 6 co-writes of metallica songs, and probably influenced more(dave will never admit this, but im sure hetfield influenced him as well). Dave has written two verifiable thrash all timers in Peace Sells and Rust In Peace, and a crossover general metal all timer in Countdown To Extinction(think Metallica's black album). So he was part of two of the Big4 bands, and is worshipped by legions of thrash, death and black metal icons(despite many thinking he's an asshole). Slayer is right up there in terms of influence with Megadeth. Reign In Blood is an all timer. But I think their satanic bent will always hinder them(more early, later more war and human atrocities; and all 'gimick', as they were atheist, not beleivers of Lucifer). They also never had that HUGE selling record(similar to Rush in that regard). Talent, originality and influence are enough to get it, but I simply don't think they're 'big' enough to the general music fan. Anthrax(the 4th of the 4) share many of the same strengths and/or weaknesses as Megadeth and Slayer, but overall are solidly considered the 4th band in the big4 hierarchy, so if 2 and 3 don't get in, how could 4? Judas Priest? Many a metal fan knows this idea/theory: Black Sabbath probably created Heavy Metal as we now know it(direct lines can be drawn to several sub-genres, particularly doom), but Judas Priest brought the Speed Element into the equation. Many also say that sabbath was the first, then Priest and then Metallica(as far as creating a 'new' thing/landscape in the metal world. They have some radio hits that have lasted through the years. Theyve had some big sellers. Longevity....INFLUENCE. They have to be in. Iron Maiden. I think Priest is a notch above, but I beleive more people rank Maiden a bit higher. Worldwide they are much bigger than they are in the US. Their influence is massive, they should be in, period. Motorhead. I like them, don't love them. But within the metal world, Lemmy is a god-like figure. Like Priest, he was one of the earliest to speed it up regularly. He also co-wrote some HUGE songs with others, namely Ozzy. I beleive he should be in on the influence more than sales. The Scorpions. Seems absurd. But they've got one song that will be played at every sports arena for the rest of time(do i need to say it?), they had a song that was a massive political/humanitarian statement, Winds of Change, coinciding with the falling of the Berlin Wall. They had huge sellers in the 80's, rock radio hits in the 70's, 80's, 90's and are STILL GOING. Ozzy as a solo artist. Ozzy has had some HUGE solo records, all timers that are worshipped by fans and guitar disciples the world over. Crazy Train is another that crossed over and is played at every venue that exists. His Ozzfest tours re-ignited metal to an extent, and was the launching pad for many younger bands. His shitty TV show did make him known to many more folks. A downside is many feel his wife, and the talent around him, are the reason he is where he is. It's undeniable that all of that is a big factor. But if that's all it took, why aren't there more like him? While he is not a prolific lyric writer, it is hugely overlooked that he comes up with most of the MELODIES. The vocal melodies are one of the single most important factors that cause songs to get stuck in our heads. We've all heard someone singing the wrong words to a song, but delivered with the melody on point. HOW the hell is that ignored by those that try to mock his talent level? His melodies have made many all time Rock/metal staples from the 70's with tony iommi in sabbath, with Randy and Jake in the 80's, Zakk into the 90's and a plethora of random guitarists and producers in the 2000's through to today. Hall of Famer baby!!! Ronnie James Dio(too long,I'm tired). there's more IN's, but I've gotta get going. A couple of NO's: These next few bands have had some big, even massive success. But i think the general feeling is they are either: more lucky than talented, a result of producers more than themselves, more famous for being famous than truly talented musicians, etc. Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue,

[@sammysliver]

The fact that Warren Zevon is not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame shows what a joke it is. Why are there artists in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame that have never played a single note of Rock & Roll in their entire careers ? Jethro Tull isn't in but Madonna is.......give me a break.

[@bengalgangster]

i listed some 70s snubs in a comment forgot about tull tho

[@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy]

He's more of an 'on the bubble' act for me, along with the likes of The Guess Who, The Grass Roots, The Turtles, The Association, America, Grand Funk Railroad, The Outlaws, Scorpions, etc.

[@PrettyGreenVinylGuy]

SUPERTRAMP

[@frodofraggins]

Meh, the doobies certainly deserve it more than a lot of the non rock bands that get in such as Whitney, Janet Jackson and Notorious B.I.G. In the end, one person has too much control over who does and doesn't get in. And thus entire genres never get any respect. There also isn't a solid set of criteria that is used for nomination and election. I'd like to see an analysis that revisits who should have gotten in each year as well as who got in that shouldn't have that year.

[@omegakhrio9268]

Haha the Doobies are bigger and better than the rest of this years inductees. It is different when one actually lived in the 70s i guess.

[@omegakhrio9268]

listen to Vices from 1974 for serious unknown Doobie jams

[@jankoegl]

Can’t believe Jason for giving Kraftwerk the thumbs down ... 🤦🏼‍♂️ Is it even debatable that they’re one of the most influential acts ever?! DM hadn‘t even formed without them, and even the hip hop scene owes quite a lot to them. So come on, Jas! Put it up there where it belongs! 👍🏼👍🏼

[@TastesLikeMusic]

Influential in that everyone heard them and thought, "Well, we can definitely do better than that!" I kid. I know they're influential but I can't vote someone into the hall based on that alone, and their music is some of my least favorite that I've ever heard. -Jason

[@jankoegl]

@@TastesLikeMusic ... And Depeche Mode certainly weren’t one of those, despite some decent albums. 😉 Sure you can! It’s not the Jason From Listography Hall Of Fame. 😝✌🏼

[@TastesLikeMusic]

Even though we covered Depeche Mode on the channel, it was because they won a poll, not because they're one of my favorite artists or anything. And I can count on one hand the number of hip hop songs that I like. You could erase every band that they influenced from history, and even though a few losses would be hard to take, I would mostly be okay with it. Also, influence is a strange thing and not as clear cut as everyone seems to think it is. Just because someone does something first doesn't mean they can necessarily claim credit for everything similar that follows. I'm not saying Kraftwerk aren't influential. But I think their influence has been massively overstated.

[@TastesLikeMusic]

You're not the only one upset about that clip though. We got more pushback for that thumbs down that just about anything else on the channel. So, what do I know? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jankoegl]

@@TastesLikeMusic I know, I saw those videos as well. Pretty much got all you guys‘ preferences down by now. 😉 And yup, same here about hip hop, not my cup of tea too, safe for some tracks from classic earlier times. Of course it isn’t all that simple; and I certainly wouldn’t give Kraftwerk direct credit for each and every rap or electronic act since the late 70‘s. 😉 However, being the first to do something [well] can definitely be hugely impactful and inspiring, and in some cases the ripples even last through several decades. And I feel that’s pretty much the case here, completely objectively speaking. Anyway, all personal preferences aside: Can we at least agree that the Doobie Brothers have considerably less business being acknowledged than Kraftwerk? 😉

[@michaelrose3101]

The Guess Who another glaring non inclusion.

[@oppothumbs1]

Right. The Guess Who and the Replacements, Graham Parker and the Rumor, and Todd Rundgren.

[@gatsby1000]

Replacements big star !!! Need to be in right ?

[@gregmayfield1260]

Viewing the hall of fame as an accurate litmus test of credibility, is patently absurd, at this point. It's a theme park, and the theme is nostalgia. I really feel that the notion of Lou Reed fans, and Bon Jovi fans will now have this thread of commonality, because of this noble institution, is pretty inulting. Very entertaining debate, though.

[@takodabostwick8507]

Not liking Slayer is one, but not letting them be in the Rock Hall is a different story! They're one of the most influential metal bands of all time! You can't denie the influence that Slayer had on these metal bands today! Megadeth isn't in either, but they should be as well!

[@threestringsomg]

Kraftwerk and Judas arnt in already? That's shocking. Leading acts from genres defined 40 odd years ago really should be in.....it's almost as bad as that recent top 500 list....pointless

[@christopheranderson4605]

Warren Zevon

[@johnhackett6332]

Please let me opine further. When I asked about performing; I meant playing\performing on a live stage, playing music you created and published. Have you done that for decades and sound as good as the day you started. Please, step back and really look at what you're saying before you say it. Your opinions may be more respected if you would educate yourself a little better about what it takes to sell out shows when you're in your 70's. . I do believe in having fun talking about music on the internet. Keep it up....

[@TastesLikeMusic]

I did play live on a stage, music I wrote with my band, did it for several decades. I’m not in my 70s so I guess that’s where I fall short. Probably a lot more than the people who actually vote for the hall can say though.

[@ryankramzer1256]

I get where you're coming from and no disrespect to the doobie bros. We're really just trying to take on the bizarre perspective that the hall already has. Not that we agree with them. So in the case of the doobie brothers and most other 70s acts... Where does it end? If you look at all the comments, virtually every band that's existed in the 70s-someone thinks they deserve to be in. Everyone can't get in. But come... It's the rock n roll hall of fame... It doesn't matter