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Spellbooks (2013) vs. Metalfoes (MR3; 2016) | Cross-Banlist Cup 2024

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Lithium2300

Lithium2300

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@jadetea5834
@jadetea5834 22 сағат бұрын
SPOILER SHIELD!
@averagegatsby29
@averagegatsby29 22 сағат бұрын
Why are metalfoes using the normal summon on nekomata in game 5 against jowgen when silverd can actually attack over it? If you don't out the board that turn, you lose 100% of the time - there was no reason not to go MST first, then desires to dig for another mst/eccentrick, then attack over the jowgen with silverd and attempt to play in MP2. Like I get that misplays can happen but not normal summoning a monster with over 1300 ATK is such a strange decision against a deck that snowballs as hard as Spellbooks
@JumbaJumby
@JumbaJumby 22 сағат бұрын
Yeah that was a major head scratcher. When I saw that I realized the Metalfoe player just wanted to lose.
@filipeezequieldasilva2341
@filipeezequieldasilva2341 20 сағат бұрын
Yep, game 5 was not well-played by Siegen. But It wouldn't matter. 2 faith face-down and a jowgen...
@magneto1992
@magneto1992 19 сағат бұрын
@@filipeezequieldasilva2341 With the eccentric topdeck, mst and eccentric and the monster out jowgen and you can start setting up for upcoming turns.
@averagegatsby29
@averagegatsby29 19 сағат бұрын
Yeah given 2 fate and a veiler in hand plus followup, I think Spellbooks probably win regardless, but at least you have a fighting chance if you out the Jowgen. I think virtually the only win con is desires into specifically MST/eccentrick to out the second fate and qliphort scout to make CDI after a pend summon, and the board may still get outed anyway since the spellbook player has Priestess.
@engelsvladimir7727
@engelsvladimir7727 19 сағат бұрын
@@filipeezequieldasilva2341 Desires hit an eccentric so it did matter
@MayhemMessiah
@MayhemMessiah 22 сағат бұрын
Perhaps controversial opinion, but I find Spellbooks really boring to watch. Literally every game is the same, protect the floodgate, die if you can’t, win if it sticks around. Most people don’t want Mystic Mine in the Cup for the same reason.
@arjanzweers6542
@arjanzweers6542 22 сағат бұрын
That's pretty much every Protect the Castle style deck. Try to get off 1 monster that restricts the opponent's plays and keep it on the field. Spellbooks, Bujins, Evilswarm, Nekroz, you saw them a fair bit during that time period, and none of them were fun to play against, or watch being played.
@sejotejerina3732
@sejotejerina3732 22 сағат бұрын
Full combo and floodgates serve the same purpose: lock the opponent out of the game. That's always the goal players aim to if possible 😂😂😂. We've seen few "fair" formats like hat for example. That's how we the Yu-Gi-Oh players are right? At least in a competitive environment, win at any cost. So it doesn't make sense to complain at win conditions, every single one is part of the history of this game.
@arjanzweers6542
@arjanzweers6542 22 сағат бұрын
@@sejotejerina3732 I know, and I'm not an enjoyer of full combo "unbreakable" boards either. Competitive game design over relying on negations and generic extra deck boss monsters that needlessly increase the ceiling of combo decks have been one of my biggest gripes of modern Yugioh. That, together with 1 card being full combo. I'm at least glad to see that the TCG has been hitting generic negates and that after the debacle that's Snake-Eyes, we now see archetypes like Ryzeal that are also 1 card combo, but have a significantly lower ceiling and end on boards that are actually breakable.
@ccjl9160
@ccjl9160 22 сағат бұрын
Nah that's fair. I actually remember liking how the deck played a lot more after the Judgement ban, even if it was rogue at best
@MayhemMessiah
@MayhemMessiah 22 сағат бұрын
@@sejotejerina3732 sure, but we’ve seen Spellbooks do the exact same boring plays for years and years on the Cup. We can just let the deck rest and not have it every single year when this is essentially a spectator sport where the first deck to qualify for Grand Finals top bracket is absurdly uninteresting and linear to watch.
@metalmariomega
@metalmariomega 21 сағат бұрын
I still think the scariest thing about Jowgen is how it can be utilized as a board wipe in a pinch if that proves necessary. Though most people that run it usually use it as a stopgap so that rarely comes up.
@inciaradible7144
@inciaradible7144 9 сағат бұрын
True, although what people tend to forget is that Jowgen discards at random to do it, which can be supremely annoying.
@TCGSyphax
@TCGSyphax 21 сағат бұрын
on top of some odd decision making from metalfoes, the side deck had 0 impact. had to rewind it and look at it again, there really was nothing in there to help lol
@DelusionalArondight
@DelusionalArondight 22 сағат бұрын
Question for my fellow pendulum players, shouldnt the play G1 be set Combination with the lvl 2(poping Eccentric) and pop it with the other Eccentric to guarantee the low scale by searching it? Then, activate one of the pendulums and set the fusion before using Desires, passing with 2 eccentric on the field and maybe Alkahest for interruption(if they drew Bunbuku, could pass on Totem or Kirin) Nice games btw, just asking to see if I remember how the deck works 😀
@pargustavsson712
@pargustavsson712 22 сағат бұрын
there were a lot of things metalfoes should have done differently, including that. he is obsessed with getting fusion first an making an early mithrilium and just generally trying to "go plus" and get all the one-ofs out of the deck. he scales bismugear way too early as it was usually the last scale you played down since you cant pendulum it. you used to win soo many game of just alkahest stealing monsters (and we saw exaclty how brutal its in this matchup the game he made it), and if you really wanted to fusion away your fusion on opponents turn you would make orichalc to get the free destruction
@BarryLouis96
@BarryLouis96 20 сағат бұрын
I was gonna comment the same thing, but you beat me to it. That was a hard throw on the Metalfoes player game 1.
@esrohm6460
@esrohm6460 22 сағат бұрын
with how long judgment was banned i do wonder how thing would have gone if we just banned jowgen. this may look even but without jowgen would spellbooks even remotely stand a chance even with a card that says add 5 cards. more important how early could we have released judgment with a jowgen ban and the deck would not be relevant. maybe that card was actually never the issue to beginn with
@necropants9971
@necropants9971 22 сағат бұрын
it would have still been relevant till 2015 with sparks of relevancy in around it, books were still tier 1 until duelist alliance came out
@musiyevonchilla6769
@musiyevonchilla6769 22 сағат бұрын
@@necropants9971 also Judgement would still be able to draw 5 or so & sure it wouldnt compete with DR anymore (ok they got nuked), but drawing into outs / handtraps could also help SB a lot
@beautifulryann
@beautifulryann 22 сағат бұрын
@@musiyevonchilla6769 judgement doesn't draw it searches, super rejuv in dragon rulers draws cards
@verbalengine95
@verbalengine95 22 сағат бұрын
Well we did just get Dragon Ruler support, so don't lose hope yet guys
@mauer1
@mauer1 13 сағат бұрын
if prophecies get some actually good way to get into rank 6s and 7s from the first turn. or if they get more controll style spellcaster xyz. like even a book of moon quick effect on a rank 2 spellcaster. that would be great. spellbook of miracles is a super op card if they were any ways to get xyzs into the rotation that would actually do something.
@tallesmanhaes
@tallesmanhaes 22 сағат бұрын
Guys, one question. Do you think if spellbook get a card like runick fountain (that let them use the searches from judgment as a quickplay from hand), spellbooks could be meta today?
@musiyevonchilla6769
@musiyevonchilla6769 22 сағат бұрын
No Jowgen, no Party
@beautifulryann
@beautifulryann 22 сағат бұрын
Their spell toolbox is worse than what is available with sky strikers and runick, so I would say no. It could maybe be an extra engine in a runick control/stun deck if those cards were able to be used on opps turn after judgement resolves
@sejotejerina3732
@sejotejerina3732 21 сағат бұрын
I believe someone topped a regional with runick spellbooks, that is what you asked right? Literally fountain xd but of course it wasn't a deck that topped enough to be relevant.
@Haooryu
@Haooryu 21 сағат бұрын
it would need couple of cards to be meta, first of a 2nd blue boy that can ss it self and also search, another searcher spellbook spell with a GY effect to banish itself and another spellbook card to draw 2 cards, a new interruption spellbook spell card that is infinitely better than fate, for example just like fate it would have 3 effects based on amount of spellbook cards u banished: 1 negate 1 face--up card's effect until end of this turn, 2 shuffle 1 card on the field into the deck, 3 you can activate this card in response to an activation of an effect of a card or a summon of a monster; negate that effect/summon and banish it, and even has a GY effect to banish it self and send a face up card to GY given that you control a face up "prophecy" card, it would need a new boss monster that you can ss from hand during either player's turn, it would be able to target spellbook cards in your GY up to the amount of monsters your opponent controls, return all of those to hand (so both the spellbook cards back to your hand and opponents monsters back to hand (without targeting)) and it would need to have at least 3000 ATK, and finally a new fieldspell similar to mystic mine but locked in the archetype for spellbooks that makes all your spellbook monsters unaffected by card effects that don't target them and more effs and probably also a new continues spell card that lets you ss a spellcaster from deck by removing spell counters anywhere from the field equal to that monster's level, and also it gets a spell counter every time a spellbook card or its effect is activated, also it makes all your prophecy monsters non targetable by card effects, also during the end phase it should be able to recover a resource.
@Blayd9
@Blayd9 13 сағат бұрын
​@@Haooryu"a couple of cards" lol mate you've designed a complete new expansion. Nice concepts though! You've clearly thought about it
@maxicruz246
@maxicruz246 8 сағат бұрын
Imaginate, si el mejor deck no lo pudo parar. ¿Quién lo hará? Aunque he de decir que algunas barajas no son tan potentes, pero le hacen la contra a algunos top tier.
@musiyevonchilla6769
@musiyevonchilla6769 22 сағат бұрын
And thats why Jowgen had to go Ladies & Gentlemen
@sejotejerina3732
@sejotejerina3732 22 сағат бұрын
Not really, jowgen got banned for branded, wasn't hit for spellboks 😂😂😂. Jokes aside, yeah jowgen is strong I know I know, just saying the obvious.
@musiyevonchilla6769
@musiyevonchilla6769 22 сағат бұрын
@sejotejerina3732 true, but we saw clearly what that anoying thing can do with enough protection (I bet Branded can protect Jowgen somehow aswell) With that being said: Nowdays I think Jowgen had to be banned after the DR & SB format instead of Judgement. Sure, Judgement could gave u a +6, so it shouldve been probably at 1 or so, but Judgement also utilized the Jowgen plays, which were strong enough to keep the rulers in check
@CaliburXL99
@CaliburXL99 19 сағат бұрын
For historical accuracy, this is why Spellbook of Judgement had to go & couldn’t come back for a long time(it was still banned during MF format for those who don’t know).
@musiyevonchilla6769
@musiyevonchilla6769 16 сағат бұрын
@@CaliburXL99 alao Fate got at 1
@44rptiger
@44rptiger 21 сағат бұрын
If u need someone to help you with the replays lmk, cause the metalfoes turns do not get played well at all😢
@OverlordOfDarkness95
@OverlordOfDarkness95 22 сағат бұрын
It's very coincidental that I searched for a Spellbook video and this came up.
@killerdude666
@killerdude666 19 сағат бұрын
Unchained for next one
@GoogleyMoogley
@GoogleyMoogley 4 сағат бұрын
YOOOOOO I GUESSED RIGHT!
@iamlegend3007
@iamlegend3007 2 сағат бұрын
Did Metalfoe side Denko?
@Haooryu
@Haooryu 21 сағат бұрын
im surprised metalfoes even won 2 games, at best i expected 1 win, i really don't know what the voters were thinking when they voted for metalfoes.
@tony1992able
@tony1992able 21 сағат бұрын
Spellbooks “Protec Jowgen” The Deck lol 2013 was a wickedly fun year in Yugioh 😂
@mohamedkoblawi4175
@mohamedkoblawi4175 22 сағат бұрын
Great match
@jangaman7823
@jangaman7823 22 сағат бұрын
Apart from the poor choices of play
@chaosprime1629
@chaosprime1629 22 сағат бұрын
leave it to spellcaster decks being the low attack floodgate decks. spellbooks are like GK's bust faster and more consistent.
@TheKABE09
@TheKABE09 22 сағат бұрын
Jowgen finally payed for it's sins on the last banlist Anyways, i was with Spellbooks on this one
@gringoisdead
@gringoisdead 16 сағат бұрын
LETSSS GOOOOO BOOOOKKKKKKSSSSSS
@ricardomora4531
@ricardomora4531 15 сағат бұрын
why people voted for metalfoe?
@thenightstalker6165
@thenightstalker6165 21 сағат бұрын
Called it spell books
@magneto1992
@magneto1992 19 сағат бұрын
Never underestimate the ability of the CBC to throw games, WTF was he doing in game 5!!!!
@donaldlivingston75
@donaldlivingston75 22 сағат бұрын
Losing to spellbooks while going first, pretty humiliating loss by Majespecter. Spellbooks has REALLY overperformed this CBC, kudos. Next matchup looks to be super interesting. Gotta give it to Kashtira though. Their Shifters will block a lot of what Unchained aims to do, and their banishing prevents the floating from going off.
@pargustavsson712
@pargustavsson712 22 сағат бұрын
the guy who played metalfoes were way way to occupied with trying to go plus and not lose his one-ofs instead of just setting up a gamestate where he always win the game
@reyandrion3049
@reyandrion3049 13 сағат бұрын
Wouldnt denko sekka be able to simply out the jowgen scot free? Not like guy can
@sejotejerina3732
@sejotejerina3732 8 сағат бұрын
You cannot search nonengine right? That's the thing. Rng is a factor in this game, even though people refuse to accept it.
@Meloo__27
@Meloo__27 22 сағат бұрын
First for once:)
@j.s.h7046
@j.s.h7046 13 сағат бұрын
Metalfoes is the worst tier 1 deck in the history of this game
@pablepablo2321
@pablepablo2321 20 сағат бұрын
Please lithium never include spellbooks in another cbc this deck is way too sleeper 😴
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