Battle of Edgcote Wargame | Mark's Game Room

[@anathardayaldar]

"Strategy is a sign of cowardice." My sediments exactly.

[@LittleWarsTV]

SUCH a good line. Laughed out loud at that.

[@steveholmes11]

Not only that "Learning the rules is the mark of a cad! ... SIR!!"

[@BowedSiren640Xbox]

Sentiments

[@anathardayaldar]

@@BowedSiren640Xbox R\whoooosh

[@mrgunn2726]

I think a D10s or D12s is a much better dice than a six sided dice and allow for more variability. Probably one of the best Little Wars TV episode ever! Kept a smile on my face the whole time.

[@steveholmes11]

I didn't see much variability in the red d12.

[@mrgunn2726]

@@steveholmes11 🤣 You do have a point! LOL

[@douglasherron7534]

@@steveholmes11 Loaded?

[@Apocraphtica]

Try my free system - Apocraphtica. It requires multiple d12 dice throws, like in grimdark games.

[@keithflint7243]

D12s and D10s better than D6s? How dare you sir! OK, there might be a place for D10s in some games but overall we need to keep the role of chance strictly under conrol. Less variability is usually required! BTW, great little video as usual on this channel.

[@HomesteadingPatriot]

Its good to see younger people enjoying historical wargaming!

[@packersfanforlife7903]

The American pronunciations of British counties and places always makes me smile. Warwick is Wa-rick to us English and Northamptonshire is North-hamp-ton-sheer to us haha

[@LittleWarsTV]

It would be a lot easier if you guys just pronounced the words they way they are written! We are much lazier here in America.

[@davefranklin4136]

On the subject of pronunciation, I have to force myself to endure people - in person or in videos - who persist in referring to men on horseback as "cal·​va·​ry", vice "cav·​al·​ry". Makes me cringe every time...

[@ohthreefiftyone]

Well you left all those sneaky silent letters in there for us to trip over.

[@39stepstbhlol]

@@LittleWarsTV there's no noise in Illinois....

[@steveholmes11]

@@LittleWarsTV It's a Shibboleth so we can spot the infiltrators. ;-) Similar to eating with knives and forks. It's important to spot the infiltrators, because we're notoriously rude to each other, but adopt best charming behaviour for esteemed visitors. How can you tell if we're rude or charming: even our civil wars are named after flowers.

[@frankdonatelli343]

My family and I love the Mark focused videos. Not that we dont love everything else! It's just the dad jokes and soft spokenness add something even more wholesome to the already high bar of quality we get from this channel.

[@WargamesTonight]

That was a fun mix of history and humor! Thanks for sharing!

[@LittleWarsTV]

Indeed, all thanks to Mark and his club. They have a great group and we're very excited for them to officially start their own channel.

[@StatsScott]

Fun game with some unconventional tactical decisions. The extreme dice rolls combined with the disagreements on actions injected some additional drama. Nice gaming room/table! Looking forward to the new channel launch and Carentan game!

[@richardcrawley9614]

That looked like it was great fun! As we know, the British and Americans are two nations divided by a common language so for anyone who’s confused: Warwick and “Worrick” are the same person - the latter is how it’s pronounced. Pembroke and “Pembrook” likewise. Also Herbert is his family name so we’d say “William, earl of Pembroke” or “William Herbert, earl of Pembroke” but not “Herbert, earl of Pembroke” (although you could speak of “the Herbert earls of Pembroke” to distinguish them from the Tudors who held the title later). The honorific “Sir” for a knight is never used with just the surname so “Sir William Parr” or just “Sir William” but never “Sir Parr”. Hope this is helpful - certainly not intended as criticism; I loved the video.

[@andrewpotts6312]

Just about to type the same. It saddens me that on a bus service in Bristol, where it's pronounced incorrectly at a stop, for war.. wick road instead of worrick. Always irritates me.

[@zak3744]

It's worth noting that the last convention isn't just some interesting archaic nugget of information, it's how we still refer to very much living people in the present day. Sir Cliff Richard and Dame Kelly Holmes might be Sir Cliff and Dame Kelly respectively, but you'd never hear Sir Richard or Dame Holmes! 🙂

[@johnwood6750]

This. Also North-hampton-sheer rather than North-hampton-shyer. Great video.

[@flashgordon1262]

Welsh person here...lol stop taking the piss mate there in the right neck of the woods 😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@sjhhej]

Also, cavalry is pronounced "cav - al - ree" (or ore commonly "cav-ul-ree"), not "cal-ver-ee".

[@7thson726]

Thank you as well for the shout at the end, greatly appreciated 🙂👍 really pleased you like the videos

[@LittleWarsTV]

Your videos are awesome! A much deserved shout out!

[@irishmarine3]

Sweet, love Mark's Game Room

[@LittleWarsTV]

It's always a family friendly atmosphere in Mark's Game Room! For some reason, his club doesn't seem to require as much bleeping and censoring as our club....huh....

[@Redmow51]

This period of history is fascinating. The music when Mr. Evans is speaking really adds to the atmosphere. Awesome video. Thank you.

[@philRminiatures]

A superb game with lovely figures, in a lovely game room...and glad to see young players around a table!👍👍

[@martinevans9757]

That was a lot of fun, and the commentary added a lot to the video. Also, the acute lack of tactical finesse displayed by both sides made this a very accurate simulation of a WotR battle!

[@EricsTableNapoleonicBattles]

Laughed so hard at the boys’ reactions!

[@eriknpf1]

Same here😂

[@joeparvana9549]

One of the most enjoyable game replays I've ever watched. Well done. Kids dice rolls were amazing.

[@kartchner7]

What fun! After all we can all acknowledge we are just playing with toy soldiers. History and international camaraderie, what a wonderful battle report! The amount of laughter was wonderful. Sometimes it feels like we take ourselves way too seriously. Thank you for this great video!!

[@lawrence142002]

Just letting you know for future reference, the painting you have labeled as Edward IV, is actually Henry VI.

[@shawnzeppimiller]

Grand Moff Tarkin also tried to crush the rebels long, long ago. History repeats itself. Thanks for the video, Mark!

[@waltleach8880]

Very well done Mark. Great editing and game play

[@MrMicky2111]

Thank you so much for sharing your game. It was an absolute pleasure. More please.

[@stephenbarker7793]

Hi Mark, great stuff. I designed that interpretation panel at Edgcote in 2006, on behalf of the Battlefields Trust. Great to see it.

[@LittleWarsTV]

Wow, very cool! Hoping to have a longer video discussion with Graham on the channel in a week or two about the battlefield

[@grahamevans5218]

Alas it needs an update to correct the date! It is on the Northamptonshire Battlefields Society list of things to get done, along with the Battlefields Trust.

[@stephenbarker7793]

Quite right Graham. I've spoken with Simon Marsh about it. Developed originally with Harvey Watson. Enjoyable contribution Graham

[@grahamevans5218]

@@stephenbarker7793 thanks. It was fun to do.

[@M_Holien]

@@stephenbarker7793 HS2 have been giving cash to local groups to mitigate the disruption caused for the locals. Might be worth seeing if you can get a donation to help update the boards? Our village got a brand new footpath from the fund.

[@nigelchapman5095]

Great to see Test of Resolve ! We have started playing the Scenarios at the Club evenings. Lots of fun being had. Great period feel and scenarios. Will do Edgecote next week now!

[@aceyirl]

Thanks for including us all in this awesome game and family!

[@7thson726]

Really enjoyed this 😁👍, especially the chat with Graham. Excellent stuff. Edgecot is still one of my favourite battles to research.

[@grahamevans5218]

Thanks. We recorded a lot more material that'll hopefully turn up at a future date.

[@7thson726]

@@grahamevans5218 excellent, I look forward to seeing that. Will your battlefield tour on/near the anniversary be on again this year? I missed the last couple unfortunately

[@grahamevans5218]

@7th Son fully intending to do do on the 24th July. 2pm outside the Griffin Inn in Chipping Warden.

[@7thson726]

@@grahamevans5218 excellent, thanks

[@timmeyspankey]

One of the best games I've seen with the commentary and spirited game play.

[@WargamingHistory]

Great stuff guys, I highly recommend Test of Resolve and the scenario books are fantastic

[@awordabout...3061]

I live about thirty minutes from the site of this battle on the other side of Northamptonshire! Since so much of the civil wars happened around this area, I also regularly go past the Battle of Naseby and I'm sure there are loads of others hereabouts.

[@doccatface6868]

Magnificent to watch and an excellent format, I could do with more videos like this.

[@hernandotorres1234]

The detail on those miniatures is sensational.

[@oldschoolfrp2326]

Some fantastic closeup camera shots of miniatures in this one

[@kaasmaster8892]

"You are not following the plan" "I don't want to" The boy has the makings of a general

[@ansfelt8154]

Mark's Game Room is always great. Brewed a pot of coffee and got a slice of pie, now it's time to watch a great game with great players!

[@LittleWarsTV]

Goodness…coffee, pie, and Wargaming? The perfect morning!

[@BoerChris]

Enjoyable battle. Good to see the youngsters involved.

[@callumlee1218]

I’d love to see more wars of the roses, one of my favourite periods

[@Nigel296]

Loved watching this. Wargaming is great fun and you really showed that. Good to see Test of Resolve being used.

[@Redmow51]

It's great to see the young guys playing these games. It was The Alamo and Fort Apache playsets that got me into gaming way back in the early 70s.

[@paulmiddleton8487]

Great kids (very good comedy timing as well) and great video, more like these please!

[@bobroberts6702]

You just have to love an enthusiastic , gung-ho, get into them, rebel. Well done.

[@randyclark1221]

That was so much fun. Thanks.

[@kellydavis3108]

Great that those young men not only played but stayed focused and engaged!

[@davidcollins2648]

Bit of a minor miracle. Good to see young boys with the patience to stay and engage this way.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

Fantastic! Keep it up until they’re 12 or 13 and they’ll be lifetime gamers!

[@danielwielki3490]

all looks amazing , thx for video 😊

[@sparkey6746]

"Boredom driven tactics", yeah, I've been guilty of that a time or two. 😁

[@Thebluefox815]

Really enjoyable. And finaly some Wars of the Roses content. But as a history buff of the era I must arrest you on two things. 1. it is the Wars of the roses, not the war of the roses 😜 2. the painting in the opening is not Edward IV, it is Henry VI (his opponent for the throne). Great bat rep, I would love to follow this channel 😁

[@joehudgens7330]

This was fantastic. I painted models and my 5 year old was riveted and rooting Charlie on.

[@sdwill66]

Good to see anything related to Edgecote. My hometown is between Edgecote and the far more famous site of the Battle of Edgehill. Also, I believe the Danesmoor you mentioned was the site of an earlier battle between the Saxons & Danes.

[@grahamevans5218]

Where do you hail from, then? I have never seen the place name spelt other than Edgcote in the surrounding area. I even wrote a research paper on the subject (!). The battle on Danes Moor is as much apocryphal as anything. There's virtually no evidence at all. I have a feeling it isn't even in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle. It might just be a place where Danes camped at one time, or even a corruption of a different word entirely. For example in "Losecote" many will tell you that Cote = Coat and it refers to the throwing away of livery jackets. In fact it means pig sty. Geez, studying this period can make you boring....

[@sdwill66]

@@grahamevans5218 I'm originally from Banbury so was brought up on tales of Civil War horsemen haunting the area near Edgehill. I think I've seen both spellings for Edgcote but I had Edgehill on my mind so subconsciously typed it that way. I had heard that Danesmoor was possibly a folk etymology and there may never have been a battle there. As this part of the world was the border between the Danelaw and Mercia/Wessex I'm sure lots of hijinks ensued over the years. I've often wondered about the etymology of Ruscote as that was the avenue I lived in. I know the cote refers to a structure but no idea what the Rus part means. I find placenames, particularly Anglo-Saxon ones, intriguing. See I can be boring too.

[@grahamevans5218]

@@sdwill66 That's all good stuff to me. If you are in the area, perhaps you might want to join us for the Anniversary walk on the 24th July this year.

[@sdwill66]

@Graham Evans I'd love to but I live in exile in the New South Wales colony these days. I'm back in the UK occasionally but I always seem to time it badly. I missed out on the latest Edgehill reanactment.

[@jamesmcconnell4818]

I love that they got the kids involved!

[@amtmannb.4627]

Very funny game. In our games my son fell asleep normaly after 1 hour and therefore half of the army commanded by him was in trouble but it was very funny and he loves gaming nevertheless. Your battle is very much forward - not too complicated decissions for both sides. Thank you for the video and all your work!

[@edstewartjr4530]

The Rebels looked like they had loads of fun. "In your FACE" cracked me up!

[@steveholmes11]

He said War-Wick. We say Worrick here, and save War-Wick for the singer named Dionne.

[@markmatzeder6208]

I had so much fun watching that!

[@mban2748]

Great intro, excellent battle, great ending.

[@justMikec]

This game was a roaring good time. It must have been because I have no idea how the rules work or how the fight came out the way it did. There's also something about the victor yelling, "In your face" that just seemed to nail your video down as a great one. In all seriousness, very nice editing by the way. Look forward to your new channel and you can count on my subscription. Well done!

[@eriknpf1]

Fight to the last man! Got to love it.

[@hamsteronthepaintingtable6465]

Was a good watch LOL!! Good luck with new channel 👍

[@kiankier7330]

idk if would be possible, but it would be nice if you guys could at some point in the future do Wargames for battles like Dybbøl, Isted and Fredericia

[@steveholmes11]

You can't expect rebels to follow orders. I'm loving this.

[@dongilleo9743]

As a dedicated history geek, I need that "may start talking about history" shirt.

[@davidnemoseck9007]

A cute episode. Can't wait to see the new channel!

[@Wielands_Schmiede]

Looks like you had a great time with the game!

[@roydownes2458]

fun and funny as hell. many thanks.

[@vms77]

Amazing battle... and funny to watch...

[@derekclements5682]

love this period of history

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

5:00 I have to disagree with the opinion that the period of War of the Roses is the peak of armour as an art. The peak of the armourer's art was reached later, first in the form of the Maximilian armour which finally transformed into Groß Garnitur.

[@grahamevans5218]

It's a point of view. I was looking at the practical use of armour on the battlefield. It doesn't get any better in terms of its utility. Personally, I prefer the clean lines of late 15th century armour to the elaborate fluting of the Maximillian style.

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

@@grahamevans5218 I understand, it is a matter of opinion and tastes to a degree. However, I would still insist that when it comes to utility the later XVI-century armour (grossgarnitur), does in fact get better. Particularly in how much more flexible it is over mid to late XV-century armour thanks to its modular design. In the case of XV-century armours it is always a compromise between designs more suitable for fighting on foot or from horseback. If you want the best of both worlds in the XV century you are forced to buy two separate suits of armour. In the later period, however, armours become more modular, most advanced sets could be worn in 4 different configurations consisting of between 2 to 4 different helmets and elements allowing for configuring the armour from typical cavalry armour to foot or even tournament armour. All in one.

[@grahamevans5218]

@@kamilszadkowski8864 I've gone back and listened to what I said, and I think I'm happy with it. In terms of battlefield protection "white" armour doesn't get a lot better. Modularity and so on is just tinkering with the kit, rather than a great leap forwards in look and fighting functionality. I'd also add that discussing armour is one of those subjects in this period that is a bit like heraldry. Don't get involved is my normal motto. There's always someone out there who knows a bit more than you do.

[@thekrausecollection15mmmin53]

Wonderful video! Very well done and highly entertaining. Looks like I need to get better. 😂

[@bigsarge2085]

Fantastic!

[@sterlingmoose9335]

Awesome video!! Unbelievable dice rolls! No adverse criticism intended but foreign pronunciations always make me smile Warwick should be pronounced Warrick, Northamptonshire/Northampton-shear, Pembroke/Pembrook Sound levels could use some work but I really enjoyed this latest LWTV offering.

[@andypanda4927]

Similar happened to me playing Axis&Allies with my brother and his son. Kid attacked with a stack of infantry and seemed to roll 1s as needed. I lost. There was much crowing by a certain rascal.

[@taifun442]

Very nice figures!

[@Vorpal_Wit]

"I question your tactics, but can't fault your attitude." LMAO!

[@warriorquestmartialartsnor5697]

As Someone who lives in Northamptonshire and has visited the site, it is prounonced as Warick as opposed to War-Wick

[@markwoodford1733]

Enjoyable watch. What rules are they ? Cards

[@timothytharp5870]

This is the only time period after Ancient Rome and before WW1 that I love. Awesome episode!

[@joelhart4027]

Great video guys

[@robertdelaney4332]

That was very entertaining.

[@andrewparkin8222]

Looked like great chaotic fun. I'm a descendant of the Conyers so less happy to see Sir John go down😮

[@Cheesemonkey231]

I'm a descendant of a Lancastrian noble in Cornwall.

[@eriknpf1]

Watching the game is like watching the last 4 min of a basketball game, 2 point, 2 points, etc.

[@traccas01]

Have you guys got the Boardgame "Kingmaker". Great "What if" game of the War of the Roses,with good historical content as well. Especially the changing alliances.

[@LittleWarsTV]

Love that game!

[@grahamevans5218]

@@LittleWarsTV new version out soon, with added quick play rules from Surprised Stare. Guess who wrote the historical notes for the new version. also, keep your eyes open for Plantagenet, coming soonish from GMT.

[@paradox7358]

When you think about it, English history prior to the 18th century is just as much a part of American history as well. Also, I love the American pronunciation of English place names.

[@lochmoigh1]

Interesting way to think about it. should it be edge- coat prounounced?

[@grahamevans5218]

I kept saying "Worrick" instead of "War -wick", but what can you do?

[@grahamevans5218]

@@lochmoigh1 Locally there's no complete consensus. I say "Edge-coat". Others say "Edge-cot". Not unusual for Northamptonshire. The River Nene is pronounced both "Nen" and "Neen" depending on how far down river you are.

[@lochmoigh1]

@@grahamevans5218 English is fun that way.

[@dan97526]

I so agree with this, and it always surprises me that my countrymen seem to often think that we sprang to life fully formed in 1776. For a personal example, I had an ancestor fall at Wakefield with Richard of York. The great pre-independence accomplishments, trials, and personages of English history are, as you said, just as much a part of our history.

[@LuanMower55]

Could you put some link to the music used in this video?

[@Anvilarm07]

Great looking figures. Interesting looking rules. Amazing table. Lack of tactics was a bit disappointing. I'm going to sound like an old curmudgeon, but I found the kids distracting. (Ducks head.) But I do want the little guy that always rolled 12 to roll my dice.

[@reglavcor]

What a fun wargame!

[@CorvusLudos]

Rules seem heavily inspired by Field of Battle by Piquet

[@mattvegas3388]

How are you getting the top down shots? Great vid! And a Sox fan to boot!

[@LittleWarsTV]

Mark uses a secondary camera mounted directly above his table!

[@andymoore9977]

11:17 "Let's ride the fools down. Should be saying that in a Welsh accent". No, should be saying it in Welsh (Cymreag)! "Dewch i ni reidio'r ffyliaid i lawr"

[@Bodkin_Ye_Pointy]

As a native of Warwickshire, may I correct your pronunciation of Warwick, phonetically it is pronounced Wa rik, and Wa rik shur.

[@papaaaaaaa2625]

War of the Roses??? Sounds to me like a gardener competition that got out of hand...

[@ADHDlanguages]

Or when you don't get to the store until after work on Valentine's Day.

[@dan97526]

Ha! My wife and I fought that last year over the placement of bushes! She crushed the rebellion at the Battle of Front-of-the-House.

[@paintingpanzers]

This was awesome! WOTR is amazing.

[@dominicregos4902]

That was fun

[@crapphone7744]

Never ever roll dice against kids. You're just doomed. I have to say the one kid's well time counter-attack certainly changed the course of the battle.

[@thomasmatthewman808]

It was fun but a bit chaotic with all the voices

[@GUYGUY_idk]

the kids should have kept the "superior force" in the river since they can use the river to their advantage

[@kevinswanson7247]

What fun.

[@baldiesbattlesinminiature5902]

Fantastic to see wargames displaying their true emotions after a glorious victory. Too many of us politely say good game mate, your dice really let you down when we actually wish to laugh in their face.

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

I mean... I know the Wars of the Roses, especially the later battles were extremely bloody but, really!

[@josephrichardson5186]

That's henry vi, not edward iv

[@grahamevans5218]

It is. I had nothing to do with that!

[@hagbardceline5358]

LMAO at that ending

[@davidcollins2648]

How to be the best grandpa ever.

[@mikeelliott2736]

Warwick. It's pronounced "Warrick" The second "w" is silent ...

[@jjsheets330]

Was that Sir Clappum of Cheeks? BTW where’s Sir Ed the Great? We’re all eagerly awaiting his 2023 debut.

[@simonmorse1785]

Great kids!!!!!!