Live and Lets Dice vs Winters SEO, Warhammer 40k battle report

Beanie and Jules from @LiveAndLetsDice bring their Space Marines and face off against my Necrons, in this 2000 point game of Warhammer 40k 10th edition.
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[@isgibson]

"A kitten, a dog, and a terrible sense of foreboding." That was fit in perfectly!

[@rapid40k]

Yeah boi!! LALD boys on tour! Also, thanks for the shout out for the redemptor. Much loves xxx

[@garrhettroebuck8402]

Did my ears decieve me? I think I heard a prayer to our lord and saviour Nuffle! A true man of culture!

[@collynbertin3260]

Just a heads up to the guy who played space marines if you oath of the moment your only selectkng that unit. If a unit dies and the leader of the unit is still left it becomes a seperate new unit. 2 important things happen, 1 is no battleshock test becauae its a new unit, unless the leader was brought below half too. 2 is oath of the moment runs out since all you declare in command phase is a unit. If oath of the moment said something along the lines of all models in that unit until the end of the round can have hit and wounds rerolled. It doesnt say that though it says select a unti and you can reroll aginst that unit. I think the all models within unit specification is important as without it when that unit died it meant the leader waa a new unit and no longer under oath.

[@stewartgardener8104]

That was a ton of fun to watch. A load of crazy dice rolls which always make a battle great.

[@dandydeadpool]

Haven't seen Jules since his Whatculture days, nice to see him!

[@CaptainMirro]

Thought that was him!

[@andrewdowns9047]

Hi Winters! Hoping to see a good game! I hope you're doing good too, you deserve it.

[@Eric-jt8yx]

16:54 LOL great video. Loved the banter and chemistry with the LALD guys. Thanks

[@inscrutablewut]

It's Jules! Watched him all the time on Whatculture. So cool to see you two playing 40k!

[@Ishap1978]

What a thoroughly entertaining pair of chaps. Clint Eastwood would be proud. Another excellent bat rep Winters, however my most notable moment was the quiet "Nothing? Tra la laaa.." Labyrinth reference. I love you guys a little bit right now. Subscribed!

[@PlasticAddict301]

The Belisarius Furnace coming in hot on those Assault Intercessors, good lord!

[@jesperwallin]

I bet there is an Imperial planet deficated ti manufacryring the shield breaker round - but the process is so complicated they only make one every other year 😊

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

Here from LALD! Nice bit of bonus 40k with these gents is always appreciated! I see that Jules is just a jammy on other channels as he is over there.

[@sky-nr1ld]

What a lovely game’s spirit on both sides.

[@sludgedisciple]

We all need someone named Crazy Doug in our lives.

[@iandestroyerofworlds576]

When a bodyguard unit dies, the leader and the unit become separate units. Therefore Oath of Moment won't work on the remaining leaders when that Oath of Moment target dies. Some time on 54:30 on the video. Oath of Moment does not carry over.

[@ched---]

Great atmosphere in that room, love seeing people enjoying themselves while rolling some dice. Fantastic video as usual Winters.

[@CandyRaveParty]

These guys can come again😂 Fun game thanks guys👍

[@MrCaseyRey]

What a lovely pair of lads

[@Narokh]

Calling the Vindicare "Bang Bang Bart" had me giggling much more than it should have.

[@thecasualwargamer5195]

Good fun and friendly game. Just like 40K should be.

[@AtomJebus]

Whoa, never thought I'd see Jules on here. Good stuff

[@sirmoth3955]

Live and Lets Dice!!! Let's go!!! What a wonderful battle report. Love all these guys and love the stories in this report.

[@DaveScurlock]

Great BR with two awesome guests! Huge fan of live and let dice, so to see them and winters seo come together is awesome!

[@midasjones4384]

Thumbs up for the labyrinth quote lol.

[@Panta8472]

wooah epic crossover hell yes!! brobnarrrrr!!

[@chrisyc2k]

So hyped if Knights of The Raven get involved means my boys get some spot light!

[@zeldakitsch]

Hello, anyone have a link to grey stag gaming regarding the tokens? They look pretty sweet

[@nickfarmiloe5993]

these guys are hilarious defo want to see more of them!

[@shocker1209081]

1:26:33 Nah they didn't go wide, the dread just saw what happened with the Chronomancer and kept shooting the lord to make sure it **stayed down.** XD

[@william9557]

Something to note Sternguard Davastating Wounds occurs on critical hits anti-x, x+ means on x+ its a critical wound Turn 4, sterngaurd combies shoudlve had two mortals

[@gregmichaud7314]

What an amazing game. It was loads of fun to watch andi even found myself cheering for the techomancer. Well done to both sides!!!!

[@gonzokules7794]

That was such a entertaining br, good job!

[@jameshogg6878]

Nice painting, Beanie! And great battle too - brutal!

[@demogorgan3761]

Enjoyed the bat rep, was super fun to watch. You definitely went easy on them with the reanimation... you need some thralls in there for the fnp and keep bringing them back when they die. Would of made for a very different game I think.

[@MyApocalypso]

Winters you didn't take any Plasmacytes to give the Skorpekh Destroyers devastating wounds 🤔

[@toastle8005]

They had to leave the centipede-dogs at home, dilapidated city council rules and all that :(

[@domenicopica2103]

I’d hide that extra round in a fancy hat or on the rifle itself. Even rifles need belts

[@lilaotearoa5399]

May not have made much of a difference but you should be doing Protocol of the Undying legions before your warriors fight back against the terminators which would give you more attacks "...just after an enemy unit has resolved its attacks".

[@milomoran582]

Quite a nice expansion on the leviathan space marines

[@boerhcauldur1873]

I love both of these channels!

[@emiliosaklambanakis9665]

Hi Winters, I am sure that the sterngard do devistating wounds to infantry on 4+. Please correct me if I am wrong, but they do critical hits on 4+ so those translate to devistating wounds since their weapons have both keywords?

[@Khobai]

the sternguard can have two different guns. only the combi guns crit on 4+. the other ones dont.

[@Hazzr-sm3ip]

Loving the BR winters your videos get me through the week

[@traitorouskin7492]

I didn't know Jay and silent bob played 40k😊

[@PlasticAddict301]

Thank you Winters for always bringing fun lists

[@Reqqles]

great game! shame you guys missed that storm hostile can't be done on turn 1 and should've been shuffled back into the deck but hey, nothing like a perfect game of 40k, especially this early in the edition

[@yurybarsukov6166]

Winters reports are just best, like and comment as usual)

[@ShaneBrayla-ed9qz]

Great game. Loved this one…..

[@dreadedpunk3473]

Well, technically, LiveAndLetsDice are new, but Beanie has been on your channel before. One of the few Imperial Fists players I have seen so far. This was a great game today. Loved it. So tense. That little story with the head honcho and the perched up pew-pew was golden. xD

[@jordandeen5532]

Get these guys on again, they were good to watch

[@Khobai]

how did the brutalis advance and shoot on turn 2? pretty sure you said they were in assault doctrine not devastator doctrine.

[@wargamesontoast]

More winters - you love to see it.

[@NGorso1]

1:07:40 should have listened to "Bullet for my Valentine"

[@Malky24]

It was bugging me where I knew Jules from and then he said Whatculture and it clicked. I think he did a video or two about Warhammer with them.

[@edhartill7969]

If a meme was a person, it would be those two

[@solipsist20]

This makes me want to see winters on a whats culture now...

[@yikeswazowski9838]

16:05 have you seen the assassin's dumptruck? Obviously he holds the spare with his cheeks

[@adamtroxel9887]

maybe i missed a change or a house rule, but I thought you could no longer stand on objectives. Super fun to watch - thank you.

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

The FAQ'd back, as they realised it interacted badly with vehicles and other models with large footprints.

[@HereticDave40k]

Is that a Shieldbreaker bullet in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me..?

[@redgreen09]

well neat stuff fun see and robot lost my room bot going sulk and not do its job fore a week at last see the nest vid

[@kylephaneuf9975]

IMO Oath of Moment is just fine. Players used to just "castle" up in order to gain access to rerolling everything anyways. At least now it's limited to just one target and players move around the board a lot more.

[@Khobai]

oath of moment is definitely not fine. the prolific amount of rerolls is a huge problem in general in 10th edition. it makes damage way too high for armies that have access to rerolls. And the armies that dont have access to rerolls really struggle especially against necrons.

[@thomassierp5583]

​@Khobai the stats don't hold that out. With the highest marine factions in the mid 40% of win rates and necrons in the 48-50% range its clear that rerolls alone do not an op faction make.

[@Khobai]

@@thomassierp5583 how many times more players play marines vs say necrons? and how many of those are new players? the win rates for marines get heavily skewed by the sheer number of new players that are losing. youre looking at the wrong stats. win% isnt the stat you need to look at because its a largely meaningless stat. GW shouldnt solely be looking at win% either when determining how to balance factions because win% is easily skewed by numerous factors ranging from how popular a given faction is to how many top tier players are playing that faction at any given time. win% is not what should decide if oath or moment is balanced or not thats absurd. And oath of moment is certainly not balanced.

[@thomassierp5583]

@Khobai respectfully, this sounds like an availability/ confirmation bias. Of course more people play marines, but these stats do not exist in a vacuum, they are assessed in relation to faction popularity. While they are not definitive, they are not a defunct metric, and to dismiss them is unreasonable. The problem doesn't stem (solely/ principally*) from OoM being powerful, but from one third of the factions being badly structured for a new edition. It is reasonable to say OoM is a gatekeeper for low tier armies entering the mid ranges, but you're not fixing Tau or DG by looking at marines. OoM I powerful, but if you think it's the great evil of imbalance, I'd suggest your control group is too small.

[@kylephaneuf9975]

@@thomassierp5583 exactly. Thank you, reasonable thinking fellow.

[@chrisbowes5216]

Winters, do you have a link for the gaming counters? They're ace!

[@wintersSEO]

The boys turned up with them. Google will help I think

[@beanie1636]

Hi Chris, thanks for the positive feedback! We are in the process of getting these ready to be sold at the moment. Pop another comment on here in a couple of weeks and I should have more information for you then 😊

[@GreyStagWoodworks]

Thanks for the kind words Chris! Our full range is up on the grey stag woodworks site, if you Google grey stag woodworks we will come up as the first site 😁 👍The LALD branded sets will be up on their site hopefully soon as beanie mentioned 👍

[@kingfield99]

Hi Winters, it's been a while since we saw your Titans in action, any plans for the big boys to fight again soon?

[@wintersSEO]

No plans at this time. I'm just getting my head around the new edition. Haven't started on a chonk of my armies yet.

[@vfminiatures]

So Redemptors didn’t have the free Icarus pods because models didn’t have them - that’s dedication to WYSIWYG!

[@asbo9725]

It must be Sunday 🎉

[@armondphilmon]

Question, because I am new. If you have the Vindicare Assassin in your list, is your faction keyword Imperium? If so, then doesn’t that stop you from utilising Oath of moment since your list isn’t built as Adeptus Astartes using that keyword? Sorry, trying to wrap my head around some of this since I am new at this.

[@SilenRevered]

Just like last edition, you may include a few "agents of the imperium" units in imperial armies without breaking faction rules

[@armondphilmon]

@@SilenRevered Ah so it applies to specific units, but Imperial Knights would not be one of those? I need to check the Imperial Knights verbiage

[@armondphilmon]

@@SilenRevered question is, does that apply to the Imperial Knights? I need to figure that out.

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

​@armondphilmon @2000 pts, you can take one big boy knight or up to 3 armigers without breaking faction or detachment rules I believe. Check the Imp. Knights index for the exact wording

[@HyattBludCleanupCrew]

Do you know anyone with chaos daemons? Would love to see a BR with that faction.

[@wintersSEO]

Nope. Soz.

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

​@@wintersSEOTechnically, I think Jules has a small Slaaneshi force.

[@larsjrgensen4740]

Im new to WH40K, so in doubt if there is a FAQ or Errata out on this one, but here goes: When the SM players drew their secondary objective in the first round "Storm Hostile Objective", where it states that if you draw this card in the first round you draw another and shuffle the card into the deck. Did they forget to do it or are there other rules in play here?

[@wintersSEO]

We forgot

[@larsjrgensen4740]

@@wintersSEO Thank you for the quick and VERY precise answer :)

[@jeroenvanderleij]

did this man just pop a stratagem to reroll wounds only to instantly forget it? xD

[@kylephaneuf9975]

Brap.. what did Tzeentch require of you to bless Winters' dice so much?

[@jamie210690]

I really thought this would be Emperor's Children. Ah well they look beautiful.

[@jamie210690]

Speaking of Slaanesh, i think we all know where the extra rounds are...

[@B__C__]

Technically, they could be considering Belisarius Cawl used the genetics of _all_ the original 30k Legions in his little Primaris Project. They kinda of hint at it in the lore that certain Primaris Chapters are just updated versions of traitor legions who are (at least for now) loyal to the Emperor.

[@CrownlessKingIX]

Winters, warriors reanimate D6 for RP when not on an objective

[@theperfectshot1110]

i don't understand why T C'Tan got the feel no pain rule. I think the nightbringer should have got that rule as he is supposed to be the toughest C'Tan.

[@NGorso1]

19:20 Quite obviously descendant chapter of Raving guards

[@jamesdavies6342]

Raving Guard? Are they new? Perhaps chaos warriors of irrational or incoherent talk? 😅

[@jamesdavies6342]

Maybe the Raving Guard just love going to war listening to dance music?

[@NGorso1]

@@jamesdavies6342 You make me want to start an emperors Children army with that name

[@jamesdavies6342]

@@NGorso1 go for it, but change primarch Fulgrim to Techno Viking

[@B__C__]

What do you mean? They are obviously DJ Belisarius Cawl's remix of the Emperor's Children's gene-seed. I mean, look at all of the purple.

[@tyrxa]

i heard a dutch song joke!

[@scpomegaprime5081]

OofM has got to be the most broken rule in all of 10th edition. Very entertaining battle report with great interactions between the players but after the Nightbringer was taken out there wasn't a point in finishing the video.

[@michaelhband]

👍👍👍❤❤❤

[@mrsaltyburns9445]

1:23:20

[@theperfectshot1110]

i don' think the lockhust destroyers are any good these days. necrons need more long range firepower otherwise they're toast.

[@CaptainMirro]

This was an amazing game!

[@darnokx9277]

So 10th has not as many rerolls and is less lethal? Sure... An entertaining batrep though, great guests! P.S.: Where did the Redemptors gatling muzzle go?

[@damnedLegion40K]

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[@ValhallanFieldMarshalRobert]

Great Space Marines victory!! Always a pleasure to watch these videos, Winters!

[@I_Made_it_Up]

The sternguard seem rubbish now

[@Khobai]

they were always pretty rubbish considering you can just take hellblasters for a couple more points.

[@JasperXoR]

INDOMITUS REDUX!!! This time it's PERSONAL! When is the next Eldar, Chaos, Votann, stream. All this Space Marine stuff is OLD HAT!

[@sjhhej]

1st!

[@jamessimpson9798]

This was a fantastic surprise!!! My top creator's in one place 🎉🔥🫖☕🍁 Win win win