Live Looping in Ableton 12 without latency How to turn off Latency in Ableton Live 12

[@joshrobson8724]

Great tutorial! I've been thinking of getting a uad or an interface with plugins to avoid latency from the daw with my vocals.

[@mangrove1985]

Wow, I've been beta testing live12 for months now and this suddenly is my number one feature :) Great explanation as always!

[@abletondrummer]

Thx mate!

[@Phadddy]

I whished Ableton could show the overall latency (Soundcard + Instruments + Effects + Returns, Master +Track Delay, External Instruments etc), so we can eliminatr culprits for Live Playing....maybe you can build that??

[@TehSyneS]

Such amazing news! Just when I had said to mytself I dont care about latency anymore and now I can enjoy this! LOL! Sometimes, letting go of ideals is good.

[@robertscott8336]

Fabulous informative and clearly explained, thank you! I have the one button looper, the visual pop up circle boxes are brillant!

[@MikeManaMusic]

I really like your One Button Live Looper! Please add the option to set the "Record to Scene" option to "Current selected Scene". In a live setup I often want to go from scene 1 to for example scene 2 and record new loops. Unfortunately with the current option I would have to change the scene number when I switch the scene which makes it really hard in a live environment.

[@abletondrummer]

Hey this could be set already via automations in dummy clips AND I have a device in the pipeline which will solve that but don't have a release date for that yet. I replied to your email just now.

[@3082frank]

Question, i am looking for a good looper in ableton, i know the push 2 and 3 has a button that qunatizes your midi notes to your beat. Does your live looper have a function if midi notes can be quantized?

[@abletondrummer]

Hey - I have some additional tools for that which can be used to set up automatic quantisation for clips (audio + MIDI) - so you don't have to press anything PLUS it can be customised to the current thing you are recording e.g. on a per track base - here s all the info and a tutorial: blog.abletondrummer.com/how-to-quantize-in-ableton/

[@sternenherz]

It's nice that Ableton finally "fixed" this, but the real deal is just having the overall latency as low as possible. Simply because when being used to a hardware looper like the RC505, one is used to being able to hear oneself with (almost) zero latency. To me, hearing myself (including with FX) with almost zero latency greatly improves my musical performance and overall fun. So my top priority is using FX Plugins which don't introduce latency, and then being able to enjoy that my Monitoring Signal is tight on the beatcount :) But yea, nice one, Ableton!

[@abletondrummer]

Yep totally agree - but some peeps want /'need' to use particular effects and VSTs and you might run into Delay Compensation issues. If you don't record or live-loop you could just turn Delay Compensation Off (if you tracks with latency introduced via effects are not toooooo far behind).

[@Isaacthompson]

Great news! Thank again!

[@JonahHache]

thanks so muchhhh!

[@eljfish]

I've watched this several times. and read the blog. Still don't really understand who would want to have "keep latency" active in a recording. it just looks clearly off the grid. in what scenario is that useful? this seems like the obvious thing to do...

[@abletondrummer]

That is a very good questions which maybe the peeps from Ableton are able to answer... let me know IF you get one

[@exaltron]

Very cool! Is it possible to quantize audio with the M4L looper? Does that work well/better with the new latency mgmt?

[@abletondrummer]

Hey you are able to quantise Audio and MIDI clips (to individual) settings with these additional devices blog.abletondrummer.com/how-to-quantize-in-ableton/ - IF "quantisation works well/better" is very dependent on what kind of audio material and quantisation settings/requirements you are working with/expecting. Generally speaking, yes less latency on the recorded audio helps to have things 'more accurate' and Ableton Live being able to quantize better.

[@udomatthiasdrums5322]

Yes, there is no Dirac Push in practice. Everything takes time. Udo

[@xandergoodheart]

So if you record through plugins will your plugins still introduce there own latency, or will this fix all of that

[@abletondrummer]

If you use an instrument plugin which introduces latency you have to deal with that - that still might work out and depends on how much ms latency is introduced. Not sure what you refer to with „your plugins“ - if you mean the looper - this will record in time but your if your vst intoduces latency this will be on the recording.

[@xandergoodheart]

Like if you're playing through a guitar sim and you want to monitor the guitar sound while recording... i.e. the sim is providing distortion and reverb. @@abletondrummer

[@abletondrummer]

@@xandergoodheart Ah Ok. The (clean) recording of your guitar will 'be in time' and the sound card latency will be corrected by Ableton Live after the 'clean' recording. Your plugin however will introduce the ms latency for the 'hearable' audio. IF delay compensation is activated Ableton Live will push EVERYTHING ELSE 'back' to line up.

[@NickFromNetherlands]

Thanks. The first think I noticed with 12 that it has a latency field. ??????????? So this video will explain that.

[@wallyblovideogramsinc.5616]

When discussing I/O Latency in preferences I thought you would adjust Driver Error Compensation to -6.31ms @64 samples to bring value to 0 .Isn’t this why that function is there ?

[@BIG_PASTA]

No that’s not how that function should be used. There will always be round trip latency in a digital/analog system. You should do the built in lesson in Live which allows you to measure/correct any incorrect timing in your system. If you’re using a decent/modern sound card you will find you do not have to adjust this error compensation value at all most likely 👌🏼

[@wallyblovideogramsinc.5616]

ok thanks@@BIG_PASTA

[@BIG_PASTA]

@@wallyblovideogramsinc.5616 no prob!

[@abletondrummer]

@@wallyblovideogramsinc.5616 yep Big_Pasta is right. Let me put that in different words: An external sound card is telling Ableton Live how long is needs to convert In+Out - this is what Ableton Live displays. IF the sound card driver is 'cheating' and telling Ableton Live wrong values you would need to adjust the "Driver Error Compensation". There is an inbuilt lesson and Ableton Live set which helps you detecting IF this is the case for your set-up. It is a little hidden: Select HELP at top bar and click on "Builz-In Lessons". Then the help view window opens - scroll down to the very bottom and click on "Show all built-in lessons". Then under the second last header at the bottom "Hardware Set-Up" you will find the "Driver Error Compensation" lesson.

[@fumarolas]

Thanks, the option "reduce latency when monitoring" has no effect for me :/ I even reproduced the compressor look ahead demonstration, but switching to "reduce latency" doesn't change anything.

[@abletondrummer]

Hey - sounds to me like you are not monitoring through Ableton Live but maybe direct through your sound card? I just can guess here

[@fumarolas]

@@abletondrummer thanks a lot for the reply :) actually I don't have a sound card. I'll try to investigate why I can't get this feature working. I use Vital (it's a bit CPU hngry) a lot and when stacking I always need to increase buffer which sucks to play it live.

[@abletondrummer]

@@fumarolas ah ok - so this is a good example for what I'm trying to explain in this video. You have 2 'separate' latencies here and adjusting buffer size is related only to "In + Out" latency and sets the 'overall' latency. "Reduce Latency When Monitoring" is related to the 2nd latency I m explaining in this video here and has no effect on "In + Out" latency!!!. "Reduce.." will switch off the "Delay Compensation" for monitored tracks.

[@fumarolas]

@@abletondrummer so in that case the latency came from my brain :) I'll rewatch your video with improved focus . thanks a lot