LIVE Rabbi Tovia Singer - Did the Rabbis Rewrite the Bible so that Jews Don't Believe in Jesus? 1374

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[@mannymannyson6720]

this video is so amazing Rabbi Singer I can't express the words for how much I love it.

[@mannymannyson6720]

@Abraham Mani no you are deluded and twisted jesus follower. Good times are ahead. We get that from tanach.

[@jacquesfrenchman]

@@iyaskelu7173 We were told the antichrist would do this.

[@apakurarunangatrust551]

@@iyaskelu7173 thanku rabbi

[@User-x5s3x]

​@@jacquesfrenchman: NOWHERE did God ever mention "antichrist" to us, NOR did He mention the "Yeshua/Jesus" character to us, NOR did He tell us that we need to be "saved", NOR that He requires HUMAN BLOOD as atonement for our sins! Also, NO FURTHER SCRIPTURES were given to mankind by God AFTER Mt. Sinai, therefore Christianity absolutely did NOT come from God!

[@davidd.c.9545]

Thank you so much dear William and rabbi!

[@tenaktalk]

Very welcome

[@terryulmer969]

@Abraham Mani The sinners are the ones who do not follow the Torah/Tanach, The Real Word of G_d, as The One True Creator G_d instructed them to do. They follow false pagan religions like Christianity instead. Read further dear! 8Behold the eyes of the Lord God are on the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from upon the face of the earth; but I will not destroy the house of Jacob, says the Lord. חהִנֵּ֞ה עֵינֵ֣י | אֲדֹנָ֣י יֱהֹוִ֗ה בַּמַּמְלָכָה֙ הַֽחַטָּאָ֔ה וְהִשְׁמַדְתִּ֣י אֹתָ֔הּ מֵעַ֖ל פְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה אֶ֗פֶס כִּ֠י לֹ֣א הַשְׁמֵ֥יד אַשְׁמִ֛יד אֶת־בֵּ֥ית יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב נְאֻם־יְהֹוָֽה:9For, behold I command, and I will scatter the house of Israel among all the nations; as it is shaken in a sieve, and not a coarse particle falls to the earth. טכִּֽי־הִנֵּ֚ה אָֽנֹכִי֙ מְצַוֶּ֔ה וַֽהֲנִע֥וֹתִי בְכָל־הַגּוֹיִ֖ם אֶת־בֵּ֣ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל כַּֽאֲשֶׁ֚ר יִנּ֙וֹעַ֙ בַּכְּבָרָ֔ה וְלֹֽא־יִפּ֥וֹל צְר֖וֹר אָֽרֶץ:10By the sword shall all the sinful of My people perish, those who say, "The evil shall not soon come upon us. " יבַּחֶ֣רֶב יָמ֔וּתוּ כֹּ֖ל חַטָּאֵ֣י עַמִּ֑י הָאֹֽמְרִ֗ים לֹֽא־תַגִּ֧ישׁ וְתַקְדִּ֛ים בַּֽעֲדֵ֖ינוּ הָֽרָעָֽה:11On that day, I will raise up the fallen Tabernacle of David, and I will close up their breaches, and I will raise up its ruins, and build it up as in the days of yore. יאבַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֔וּא אָקִ֛ים אֶת־סֻכַּ֥ת דָּוִ֖יד הַנֹּפֶ֑לֶת וְגָֽדַרְתִּ֣י אֶת־פִּרְצֵיהֶ֗ן וַֽהֲרִֽסֹתָיו֙ אָקִ֔ים וּבְנִיתִ֖יהָ כִּימֵ֥י עוֹלָֽם:12In order that they inherit the remnant of Edom and all the nations because My Name is called upon them, says the Lord Who does this. יבלְמַ֨עַן יִֽירְשׁ֜וּ אֶת־שְׁאֵרִ֚ית אֱדוֹם֙ וְכָל־הַגּוֹיִ֔ם אֲשֶׁר־נִקְרָ֥א שְׁמִ֖י עֲלֵיהֶ֑ם נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֖ה עֹ֥שֶׂה זֹּֽאת:13Behold days are coming, says the Lord, that the plowman shall meet the reaper and the treader of the grapes the one who carries the seed, and the mountains shall drip sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. יגהִנֵּ֨ה יָמִ֚ים בָּאִים֙ נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֔ה וְנִגַּ֚שׁ חוֹרֵשׁ֙ בַּקֹּצֵ֔ר וְדֹרֵ֥ךְ עֲנָבִ֖ים בְּמֹשֵׁ֣ךְ הַזָּ֑רַע וְהִטִּ֚יפוּ הֶֽהָרִים֙ עָסִ֔יס וְכָל־הַגְּבָע֖וֹת תִּתְמוֹגַֽגְנָה:14And I will return the captivity of My people Israel, and they shall rebuild desolate cities and inhabit [them], and they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their produce. ידוְשַׁבְתִּי֘ אֶת־שְׁב֣וּת עַמִּ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וּבָנ֞וּ עָרִ֚ים נְשַׁמּוֹת֙ וְיָשָׁ֔בוּ וְנָֽטְע֣וּ כְרָמִ֔ים וְשָׁת֖וּ אֶת־יֵינָ֑ם וְעָשׂ֣וּ גַנּ֔וֹת וְאָֽכְל֖וּ אֶת־פְּרִיהֶֽם:15And I will plant them on their land, and they shall no longer be uprooted from upon their land, that I have given them, said the Lord your God. טווּנְטַעְתִּ֖ים עַל־אַדְמָתָ֑ם וְלֹ֨א יִנָּֽתְשׁ֜וּ ע֗וֹד מֵעַ֚ל אַדְמָתָם֙ אֲשֶׁר־נָתַ֣תִּי לָהֶ֔ם אָמַ֖ר יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶֽיךָ:

[@terryulmer969]

@Abraham Mani Yes, the sinners are those who don't follow G_d's instructions that G_d gave them in Torah/Tanach. Instead they worship idols like your so called "Jesus Christ"! 13And you will know that I am the Lord when their slain ones will be among their idols, around their altars, upon every hill of height, on all mountaintops and under every leafy tree and under every branchy terebinth, a place where they offered up a satisfying savor to all their idols. יגוִֽידַעְתֶּם֙ כִּֽי־אֲנִ֣י יְהֹוָ֔ה בִּֽהְי֣וֹת חַלְלֵיהֶ֗ם בְּתוֹךְ֙ גִּלּ֣וּלֵיהֶ֔ם סְבִיב֖וֹת מִזְבְּחֽוֹתֵיהֶ֑ם אֶל֩ כָּל־גִּבְעָ֨ה רָמָ֜ה בְּכֹ֣ל | רָאשֵׁ֣י הֶֽהָרִ֗ים וְתַ֨חַת כָּל־עֵ֚ץ רַֽעֲנָן֙ וְתַ֙חַת֙ כָּל־אֵלָ֣ה עֲבֻתָּ֔ה מְק֗וֹם אֲשֶׁ֚ר נָֽתְנוּ־שָׁם֙ רֵ֣יחַ נִיחֹ֔חַ לְכֹ֖ל גִּלּֽוּלֵיהֶֽם:14I shall extend My hand upon them, and I shall make the land a desolation and an astonishment -[starting] from the desert of Diblah-in all their dwelling places, and they shall know that I am the Lord.' " ידוְנָטִ֚יתִי אֶת־יָדִי֙ עֲלֵיהֶ֔ם וְנָֽתַתִּ֨י אֶת־הָאָ֜רֶץ שְׁמָמָ֚ה וּמְשַׁמָּה֙ מִמִּדְבַּ֣ר דִּבְלָ֔תָה בְּכֹ֖ל מֽוֹשְׁבֽוֹתֵיהֶ֑ם וְיָֽדְע֖וּ כִּֽי־אֲנִ֥י יְהֹוָֽה:

[@terryulmer969]

@Abraham Mani And just as G_d promised, The One True Creator G_d brought them back to their homeland! 🇮🇱 9For, behold I command, and I will scatter the house of Israel among all the nations; as it is shaken in a sieve, and not a coarse particle falls to the earth. טכִּֽי־הִנֵּ֚ה אָֽנֹכִי֙ מְצַוֶּ֔ה וַֽהֲנִע֥וֹתִי בְכָל־הַגּוֹיִ֖ם אֶת־בֵּ֣ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל כַּֽאֲשֶׁ֚ר יִנּ֙וֹעַ֙ בַּכְּבָרָ֔ה וְלֹֽא־יִפּ֥וֹל צְר֖וֹר אָֽרֶץ:10By the sword shall all the sinful of My people perish, those who say, "The evil shall not soon come upon us. " יבַּחֶ֣רֶב יָמ֔וּתוּ כֹּ֖ל חַטָּאֵ֣י עַמִּ֑י הָאֹֽמְרִ֗ים לֹֽא־תַגִּ֧ישׁ וְתַקְדִּ֛ים בַּֽעֲדֵ֖ינוּ הָֽרָעָֽה:11On that day, I will raise up the fallen Tabernacle of David, and I will close up their breaches, and I will raise up its ruins, and build it up as in the days of yore. יאבַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֔וּא אָקִ֛ים אֶת־סֻכַּ֥ת דָּוִ֖יד הַנֹּפֶ֑לֶת וְגָֽדַרְתִּ֣י אֶת־פִּרְצֵיהֶ֗ן וַֽהֲרִֽסֹתָיו֙ אָקִ֔ים וּבְנִיתִ֖יהָ כִּימֵ֥י עוֹלָֽם:12In order that they inherit the remnant of Edom and all the nations because My Name is called upon them, says the Lord Who does this. יבלְמַ֨עַן יִֽירְשׁ֜וּ אֶת־שְׁאֵרִ֚ית אֱדוֹם֙ וְכָל־הַגּוֹיִ֔ם אֲשֶׁר־נִקְרָ֥א שְׁמִ֖י עֲלֵיהֶ֑ם נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֖ה עֹ֥שֶׂה זֹּֽאת:13Behold days are coming, says the Lord, that the plowman shall meet the reaper and the treader of the grapes the one who carries the seed, and the mountains shall drip sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. יגהִנֵּ֨ה יָמִ֚ים בָּאִים֙ נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֔ה וְנִגַּ֚שׁ חוֹרֵשׁ֙ בַּקֹּצֵ֔ר וְדֹרֵ֥ךְ עֲנָבִ֖ים בְּמֹשֵׁ֣ךְ הַזָּ֑רַע וְהִטִּ֚יפוּ הֶֽהָרִים֙ עָסִ֔יס וְכָל־הַגְּבָע֖וֹת תִּתְמוֹגַֽגְנָה:14And I will return the captivity of My people Israel, and they shall rebuild desolate cities and inhabit [them], and they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their produce. ידוְשַׁבְתִּי֘ אֶת־שְׁב֣וּת עַמִּ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וּבָנ֞וּ עָרִ֚ים נְשַׁמּוֹת֙ וְיָשָׁ֔בוּ וְנָֽטְע֣וּ כְרָמִ֔ים וְשָׁת֖וּ אֶת־יֵינָ֑ם וְעָשׂ֣וּ גַנּ֔וֹת וְאָֽכְל֖וּ אֶת־פְּרִיהֶֽם:15And I will plant them on their land, and they shall no longer be uprooted from upon their land, that I have given them, said the Lord your God. טווּנְטַעְתִּ֖ים עַל־אַדְמָתָ֑ם וְלֹ֨א יִנָּֽתְשׁ֜וּ ע֗וֹד מֵעַ֚ל אַדְמָתָם֙ אֲשֶׁר־נָתַ֣תִּי לָהֶ֔ם אָמַ֖ר יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶֽיךָ:

[@terryulmer969]

@Abraham Mani The One True Creator G_d has done many miracles for me including raised the dead. The One True Creator G_d has shown me the truth of the Torah/Tanach, The Real Word of G_d. I was shown some of the End of Days and G_d stands with Israel 🇮🇱 . It is not going to be so good for the Christian's who corrupted the Word of G_d and spread falsehoods around the world, doing everything that G_d said Not to do!

[@לבאריה]

Beautiful show

[@benlassu1880]

Learned so much today, Todah Rabbi Singer!

[@christo-chaney]

If Jews rewrote the Hebrew Bible in order to deny Jesus as the Messiah, then why do Christian translations still translate from the very Hebrew Text that Judaism accepts as Holy Scripture?

[@curly_dock]

Historically, they didn't. They (the Apostles and the early Church) used the Greek text translated from a Hebrew version no longer with us.

[@curly_dock]

Saint Jerome translated from the Hebrew he had access to, in part because he wanted to show that even the modified Hebrew scriptures the Rabbis had pointed to Christ despite them.

[@christo-chaney]

@@curly_dock Where is the evidence for that? Jerome consulted with Jewish rabbis for help understanding the Hebrew text for his translation of the Vulgate.

[@curly_dock]

@@christo-chaney From the authors of the (largely hostile) article on Jerome in the Jewish Encyclopedia: "(He) even uses against them (the Jewish scholars) both the books that he has cunningly obtained from them and the knowledge he has derived therefrom."

[@christo-chaney]

@@curly_dock which volume and page? My synagogue has a set of it in the library.

[@glenanleitner2606]

Great job again educate these Christians

[@alexandermarkus9587]

You can not teach Christians!

[@shira1270]

When will they educate the Jews?! Who wrote the Tanach? Moses? Noah? Joshua? King David? It’s all mythology from Hittites and their covenant stories to Qumran legends.

[@terryulmer969]

@@shira1270 G_d wrote the Torah before creation. G_d encoded the Torah, the Hebrew letters, and the Hebrew language so there is much hidden in plain sight. The Torah Is THE BOOK OF LIFE and the Blueprint of Creation. The Christian's bibles are just very badly mistranslated and corrupted versions of the Torah/Tanach with a whole lot changed including names, a whole lot added, and a whole lot taken out. Everything that G_d said not to do, Christianity did. Christianity is a Wolf in sheep's clothing, they are not the group that they claim to be.

[@terryulmer969]

@@jesusdeity2010 You have been deceived from all directions dear. No Hebrew/Jew was ever named Jesus nor John nor especially James. There is no letter J in the Hebrew alephbet nor does any of the Hebrew letters even make a J sound. The Christian's bibles are just very badly mistranslated and corrupted versions of the Torah/Tanach (The Real Word of G_d), with a whole lot changed including names, a whole lot added, and a whole lot taken out. Everything that G_d said not to do, Christianity did! Christianity is not the group that they claim to be, Christianity is a Wolf in sheep's clothing! Christianity lies!!!

[@4clempt]

Of course hands down Rabbi Tovia is the most brilliant detail oriented respondent of Christian fallacies, but his most significant talent is his ability to stay calm and oriented with love and compassion towards people who manifest (true for no fault of their own), the kind of ideas that have been responsible to 2000 year long, and still going, Genocide campaign against the Jews. While I learned many facts and references from Rabbi Tovia, I have yet been able to learn to stay calm, and find love in my heart to people who manifest the reasons that my Father’s entire Ladino family of Greek Diaspora was savagely murdered.

[@curly_dock]

I agree, I love the Rabbi's calm demeanor. I wish we had more of it.

[@4clempt]

@@mohammedsamura3151 Mohammed, if you are African I love you and I truly feel sorry for you for losing your beautiful Indigenous identity and culture. You have internalized the persona and priorities of the Arab Supremacist Slave Master who destroyed your Indigenous culture and replaced it with his. The Arabs STILL call even Muslim Africans, “3Ebed”(slave), still discriminate and massacre Africans even those who adopted Islam (Darfur), and STILL have Slave Trade of African Slaves. Learn your History from HISTORY BOOKS, not from Islam. The Jews are NOT your enemies, they are victims of the SAME Imperialist victimizers, the Europeans and the Arabs. Be a Muslim if that’s the world your were born into and want to stay in it, but don’t agree to be a foot soldier of your slave masters against Indigenous people trying to regain their FREEDOM and INDIGENOUS RIGHTS.

[@screamtoasigh9984]

Ladino is the language.

[@madmanmark8387]

Yes he is calm compared to another rabbi. Not going to say his name but I digress I'm angry at times as well.

[@savtamarlene]

I agree with you. We know Rabbi Singer personally and we continue to be in awe of his sheer genius and vast knowledge and his compassion and love for those who wish our deaths.

[@fredms5420]

Wow

[@bluethunder1214]

Thank you, Rabbi Tovia singer and William Hall for the great job you guys are doing.

[@berylackermann8240]

The HEBREW language will never be lost as our Father YAHoVeH will ALWAYS HAVE A REMNANT OF HIS PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH.

[@scruffybehr]

I grew up in a Christian home and I wasn't taught bad things about Jews. I always believed that God chose the Jewish people to take the knowledge of "God is One" to the world. We are all beautiful children of God.

[@shira1270]

Yes, Singer is lying. The modern Christians are not taught to hate Jews that’s a medieval concept. He just wants to convert Christians and Muslims to Judaism. In other words the old my book is truer than your book theory 🤣

[@terryulmer969]

@@shira1270 Rabbi Singer is not lying! Christianity lies! The Christian's bibles are just very badly mistranslated and corrupted versions of the Torah/Tanach (The Real Word of G_d) with a whole lot changed including names, a whole lot added, and a whole lot taken out. Everything that G_d said not to do, Christianity did. Christianity is not the group that they claim to be, Christianity is a Wolf in sheep's clothing!

[@miriamewaskio793]

@@shira1270 They may not be taught to hate Jews (and the Rabbi isn't saying this) but their Bible twists and misquotes the Tanakh to prove their beliefs. And their Gospels (as is the Rabbi's main point here,) are constantly showing the Jews as with bad will refusing to believe their new Christian beliefs although their Tanakh proves them, which it doesn't. So raised this way leads to seeing Jews as against God. The Rabbi is very compassionate saying he'd be the same way if raised that way.

[@miriamewaskio793]

@Blessed God is speaking to all humans not just Jews as we're all dumb and blind at times and etc. And you have so much wrong in your approach I don't know how to begin and I'm not as patient and kind as Rabbi Tovia is who lives up to his name which I think is related to " goodness" as tov means good. Anyway, I'll just say Paul is the one who started the Christian church not Jesus. Paul was at odds with and fought with those who'd actually hung out with Jesus. Paul and other Gospel writers twisted and deliberately mistranslated the Tanakh to make it look like it prophesied Jesus and their newly created beliefs and then accused the Jewish people of not believing their beliefs which they falsely say are in their Tanakh. You're free to have your beliefs but don't say they're prophesied in the Tanakh. This is either ignorant of the Tanakh or if you're a real scholar, and know it's dishonest.

[@miriamewaskio793]

@Blessed If I thought you were of good will. I'd continue a very informed discussion but your remarks in this last communication are classic Christian antisemitism throughout the centuries that the destruction of the Temple by pagan Romans and thousands of yesrs of exile and persecution suffered by the Jewish people is deserved as God's punishment is pure hateful antisemitism as well as totally ignorant. This is the kind of thinking that caused all the cruelty of the Inquisition on my ancestors. And you know nothing about me. I was brought up Catholic and discovered the beauty of Judaism all on my own through God's help and deep study. And I discoverd through paid research that my ancestors were forced to convert or see their children killed in front of them so many lost touch with their beautiful Jewish Faith which is wgy I was brought up Catholic. Most Catholics of good will and good knowledge do not speak as you do so hatefully here.

[@milkamilosevic9626]

My dear rabbi i am sure that you know that hashem is running the show so everything will be okay,baruch hashem!!!❣️🌞 Absolutely geeeeenious!!! 🙌

[@tenaktalk]

Truth

[@randiwaxman8412]

Thank you !!!!

[@dylanbroady]

Hey guys!

[@heatblair]

At 8:05 Rabbi says something that reminds me of the Nirvana lyrics where Kurt Cobain sang 🎶 Just because you’re paranoid, don’t mean they’re not after you 🎶

[@dutchman6533]

I had a similar question because so much is repeated in NT, not thinking that the Jews were being evil at all!

[@shira1270]

I don’t think the Jews and Israelites were being evil in the context of their ancient society where they had to survive but it’s a bit much to bring the stories in from Mesopotamia and say Hashem was on the mountain and he said whatever.

[@chadncorliss]

I think the first question was more about how Hebrew was spoken before it was reestablished in Belarus. The question should have been is Hebrew spoken the same way it was when the Torah was written.

[@shira1270]

No it’s called Biblical Hebrew but most Israelis can still read itZ

[@pardes7342]

Chad Corliss because of the exile, where Jews were scattered all over the world, Biblical Hebrew spoken by Jews are sounding different from each other because of the acquired other languages where they lived.The Yemenite pronunciation would be closest to the ancient pronunciation because they had maintained no intermarriage and stayed true to their community despite poverty. The Arabs have left them alone so they were able to continue Yaadut in the way it should have been. Belarus, I would say uses Ashkenazim pronunciation generally.

[@jessereichbach588]

It's not just Christians asking these questions. The academic suggestion is that part of Ezekiel was also written later. So both Daniel and part of EZ written around the same period, which is how they align. The hypothesis asserts similarly about Isaiah, that it had at least 2 different authors over a long period. This is what the evidence we have suggests. That is not debatable. This isn't to suggest the evidence disproves the existence or other theories. But the evidence does thus far suggest Daniel is a 2nd century BCE work, and that other texts were aligned when Tanach was compiled into one tome. So basically, what we have as far as archaeology and evidence is this, we don't "know" when these things were written exactly, we don't know who actually existed and who didn't up to a point. But what we don't have is ANY actual evidence of the biblical narrative as stated in the text. Here's the thing, you can't use Tanach to prove Tanach. That is the utter definition of unfalsifiable. To the same extent you can make the claim any text is divine and thus infallible. Which is why we can't use Tanach to prove Tanach and why biblical archaeology and theory exist to a large extent in the first place. If we actually knew these things we wouldn't need to investigate to this extent. But we do. And the evidence we have thus far, largely contradicts the possibility of the biblical narrative as stated in the text. Not that it disproves the entire text, not that it disproves all of the history. But it IS extremely good evidence that Tanach is an imperfect work, and thus not a divine work, a work of men. That at least we can be as close to sure of as possible within the bounds of Academia does use these methods for Torah and Tanach the same as it does for Christian bible or any text. They do use the same methods, that is what peer review is about. It's not just about the author of a study but everyone that peer reviews it and concurs on the findings, or doesn't. Peer review of course can pass in terms of methodology but that doesn't necessarily mean all agree with the conclusion. However in the case of Torah/Tanach as divine authorship, as in not written by man, as in it was authored and compiled by human beings. That much we do have evidence for. And very good evidence And if we combine that evidence with basic deductions about reality, both suggest an imperfect text, not an valueless text or anything like that by any means, just a man made text. Now that doesn't mean it doesn't still have meaning and doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Rabbi mentioned Darius the Mead. And this is one of hte issues with Daniel. There was NO Darius the Mead ever recorded in history. Not by the Babylonians, the Persians, Egyptians, Assyrians or Greeks. And the records we do have from multiple sources, all agree on the history of the Kings. And none mention Darius the Mead. Further, the Meads did not exist when Daniel was supposedly written. They had already lost. Now as far as Cyrus and why he did this for the Jews. Cyrus and the Persian Empire did this for EVERY ethnic minority that had been taken into bondage by Babylon. All of them, equally. It wasn't just the Judeans that they returned and help build back their home. The Jewish remembrance places them in an exceptional position with an exceptional relationship with Persia and Cyrus. But as it appears, as it appears in the archaeological and historical record, all people got the same basic treatment when freed by Persia. The methodology in the secular academic world is VERY good and accurate. It's not by any means definitive. But then, neither is Tanach. It's truly not personal. And I don't consider myself an atheist. But this is the situation as it stands in 2023. And the silver scrolls, while somewhat compelling, are unfortunately only evidence for 2 things, that 2 of the priestly blessings from Pentateuch existed at that point, and that a Yhvh "cult", just meaning center of worship, existed in the 6th century bce. The KH scrolls are neither evidence for the entire Pentateuch/Tanach nor the practice of Judaism or any form practice like Judaism that we know today. I guess I would have to disagree with the Rabbi's opinion about the methodology of the secular academic world. And in that I do not consider "theologians" of any kind. Theologians deal with largely inner-faith matters. The secular academic world, while many can be biased anti-theists, most are not, and either way, it doesn't invalidate the general consensus that at least a large chunk of Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE. That Isaiah was written by 2 or 3 authors even over the course of like 300 years. And Ezekiel I believe similarly. It is suggested that Daniel was written AS Macabeean propaganda. So the author who wrote the Macabees would have likely been aligned with the propaganda coming out of the Hasmoneon center of power. The Koehn who made themselves Kings, which wasn't supposed to happen. Anyway, the book of Macabees was written in the 2nd century BCE, as it appears, along with the book of Daniel, in accordance WITH the writing of the book of daniel. Which is why Macabees can not be proof of the authorship of the book of Daniel. They are stating it was invented by the same people who wrote the book of Macabees.

[@User-x5s3x]

The Torah is PART of the Tanach, which is comprised of the Torah (5 books of Moses), the Prophets, and the Writings, i.e. Psalms, Proverbs, etc.

[@jessereichbach588]

@@User-x5s3x Where and when did I state otherwise? I merely made a distinction between the two. Because while Torah is part of Tanach, Torah is also it's own separate thing. And the rest of Tanach the things you mentioned, are not part of Torah. So I was separating the writing, into two categories. Torah..... and then separately, the entire Tanach, which includes Torah. And we as scholars must view these things separately. Because Torah existed long before Tanach. And then Tanach was created, by men in the 1st century CE. Where it was formalized, and made canon. There was no canon outside of Torah, prior to this. So the authors of Torah, had quite different intentions, than the compilers of Tanach. Which is what Tanach is, a compiled collection, cherry picked, and organized around 1st century Pharisaic and Essene principles. And when you attach those things to Torah, like was done in the 1st century, it also changes the way Torah is read. So, there was a gap between how say, traditional Jews like the Hasmoneons, interpreted Torah and how the later Pharisees interpreted Torah. Because the Hasmoneons, like the Sadducees, did not consider the rest of Tanach canon. And likely were not even aware that much of that writing outside of torah, even existed. The Book of Enoch was actually the MOST popular scripture among Judeans of the 1st century BCE, and 1st century CE. Which was completely excluded from Tanach. Yet even the later sages and Rabbis used the book of Enoch as a reference point and for theological discussion. Which is why for instance, the Book fo Enoch can be found in the Ethiopian Christian bible. As they received their tradition through other parties, and not Rome. What you seem not to understand, is that Tanach, like all the variations of tthe early Christian "Canon", were subjectively determined, by various different groups. And Rabbinic canon is not excluded in this. It was compiled, edited and redacted in the same way Rome compiled, edited and redacted the Christian NT. Or the same way Ethiopian Christians compiled, edited and redacted the Ethiopian Christian bible. Or how later Lutherans and Protestants, compiled, edited and redacted, their idea of what the "bible" should be, which differed from the Catholic/Greek Orthodox. Everything in the Christian bibles, all the different versions, from Enoch, to Judith to Maccabees, was considered scripture by different sects of Judaism, prior to being included or excluded in these various canonized tomes. Karaite Jews for instance only use the Torah, as the Sadducees and Hsmoneons and traditional Judeans did beofore them. So when they read Torah, it isn't being interpreted through the filter of the Ketuviim and Neviim, which ultimately alters the interpretation of Torah itself.

[@shira1270]

Many thanks! but can you put Rabbi thinking to good use by explaining the commandment against image carving doesn’t mean you can’t hang a painting of a flower in your living room? A little louder for the Christians in the back?!

[@shira1270]

@Blessed no! I am not Christian, but a person told me That I was breaking the commandments by having a large painting of flowers in my living room. Can’t remember if that friend is Hebrew Roots, Christian or Hasidic. I don’t know if I am breaking a commandment so that’s why I asked. Our Rabbi is out sick a lot. Very old.

[@sunangel-rivka]

The way I understand it is 3 dimensional sculptures of humans are forbidden . A Jew may have a 3 dimensional sculpture of a human but it has to be altered in some ways so that it's not obviously human. Paintings of nature scenes are always fine. Sculptures of idols are forbidden, for example, Buddha statues, Statues of Hindu gods, et cetera. If the Sculptures are of deities no longer worshipped widely, like ancient Inca or Mesopotamian sculptures and so on, on, they are OK to have for educational purposes. Of course I'm not a rabbi but that's the way I understand it.

[@heatblair]

At 1:06:59 Rabbi pleads with the academic world to handle these books the way the do other ancient writings. He says that people are leaving their faith in the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob behind because of what is being taught. It saddens me because I think that is what the academic world wants, what the secular world wants. They want the children of Israel to leave their faith behind.

[@matthewlongfellow5965]

Nothing ever needs rewritten if it is taken completely out of context and fails to witness with other texts; just ask the church of rome.

[@victordevries6880]

Tovia ,Rabbinic Talmudism is not the original Judaism that was transmitted by angels at Mt. Sinai [ Acts 7: 37- 38 , 53 ] Your current Talmudic Judaism is apostasy against Yehovah haElohim ! He is supposed to be the husbandly owner of your nation ! The fleshly Jewish nation proved to be a spiritual prostitute , instead of a submissive wife ! That is why Yehovah adjudged them to have broken the Mosaic Law Covenant according to Jeremiah 31:32 ! Your understanding of the word covenant is very far off the mark ! A covenant is not a normal promise that could be broken and reconciled again ! There are obligational terms that must be met , by both parties , if the covenant is bilateral , like the Mosaic Law Covenant ! If the terms are broken , the covenant become obsolete and there are serious consequences ! [ Hebrews 8:7 -13 ; Compare Ezekiel 17: 11-20 ; Romans 1: 28-39 , 31-32 ] Yes , Tovia , I bear witness that you have a zeal for God , but not according to accurate knowledge ! Your fierce opponent , Paul sums up your religious condition at Romans 10: 2- 4 !

[@thewarriorwounds3124]

So you call them a spiritual prostitute while you worship a a man.... Interesting.

[@bariizlam638]

As Salam Rabbi Tovia Singer. It is because of you that I’ve learnt of the animosity between the Jewish people and Christians. What the Christians did to your a holy Torah by changing God’s words is reprehensible... please keep spreading the knowledge you share with us. I am a practicing Muslim and I have nothing but immense respect for you. May Allah Bless you

[@abigailfoster2467]

Good grief! I just looked online at the KJV of 1 Maccabees 2 to see Daniel in verse 60. I found a mind boggling thing in verse 55, where it says “ ‘ Jesus‘ for fulfilling the word was made a judge in Israel. “ Are you kidding me? The man referred to in verse 55 is Joshua, not Jesus. Joshua was made judge in Israel. Jesus was never a judge in Israel. Joshua became judge because he executed his commission, obeyed the command.

[@leeannep.7652]

Lol, what did he just say about matza and basketballs?

[@alexanderduff6018]

I read on to Zechariah 9:16. I haven’t heard a Christian apologist use that before but I’m sure they would. They could even use that to fit their rapture narrative. I don’t believe I’ve heard Rabbi Tovia speak on this subject but I would really love to hear it. I’m sure he would say to read in context and I have. The Christian Bible makes it sound a bit different than the Hebrew Bible

[@matthewk7507]

If things such as the existence of God can be proven to Atheists, then it will be abke to be proven to all people. The tools, therefore, need to be secular to be able to prove it to secular people. It's quite simple if you view it that way. It's a matter of outright proof regardless of what anyone's belief or lack thereof is.

[@matttillman7430]

The first half of this video (at least, I still haven't watched it all), could be entitled, "Textual Criticism of the Prophets Debunked."

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Rabbi, I am sad to report they actually give lessons in “Hebrew for Christians.” It is probably why people tell you that your mistranslating. Oops, must go off to laugh.

[@jacquesfrenchman]

Mic drop😂 Exactly - DSS align with Greek Septuagint and disagree with MT..Akiva re-wrote the scriptures through Aquila - this is history - the Christians kept the original Septuagint which was also found in the DSS and matches NT - Tovia will say NT is wrong - only because it doesn't match word for word with the mistranslated MT. *JEREMIAH 8:8* “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

[@pelayanjpa7086]

THE ABNORMAL ISRAEL DEPENDS ON NATIONS, THE NORMAL ISRAEL DEPENDS ON YESHUA, JESUS CHRIST, MESSIAH, SAVIOR OF THE WORLD, SON OF GOD WHO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD, RAISED FROM THE DEAD. YESHUA WILL COME BACK IN JERUSALEM TO BE KING OF PEACE ON EARTH.

[@berylackermann8240]

The Tannakh is the Scripture I follow NOT the TULMUD.

[@User-x5s3x]

FYI, the Tanach CANNOT be understood WITHOUT the Talmud, which is the details and explanation of what is in the Tanach!!

[@brucebarber4104]

The answer is yes.

[@johnruby1363]

The question is; *why are there differences with the Masoretic Text* and the old documents, such as the Great Scroll of Isaiah found at Qumran? Very troubling! Prophecy spoke of this happening. And the Rabbis fulfilled it. *Jeremiah 8:8* _How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us,’ when in fact the lying pen of the scribes has produced a deception?_

[@j.s.2355]

Why would Christians believe In a messiah based on original text that displays the reason for his coming and totally change the story that has no purpose based on made up text. .....

[@paweszul881]

no comments about all the religious staff

[@jbeneliezer]

Concerning Qumran, I recommend listening to the lectures of Prof. Rachel Elior. She has a different results from her research.

[@shira1270]

Nobody hates Jews. First off and many Christians helped them during the Shoah. Let’s have reparations then from the Middle Ages! Every group was persecuted at one time in History. The Russian bolsheviks killed Christians and the Jews left as well after that. Yes I keep saying the Tanach Haaz mythology A takkanah is a major legislative enactment within halakha, the normative system of Judaism's laws. A takkanah is an enactment which revises an ordinance that no longer satisfies the requirements of the times or circumstances, or which, being deduced from a biblical passage, may be regarded as new. Judaism and Catholicism are the same.

[@jbeneliezer]

@@shira1270 There is nothing similar between Judaism and Catholicism/Christians. One is the result of messianic nuts rousing the population to resist and fight Rome and the other is an organized creation of Rome to control and pacify Jews with a pro-Roman peaceful messianic alternative that caught on among Geek cultured Jews and Gentiles.

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Nobody hates the Jews? Are you serious? Hitler definitely did. The Spanish Inquisition killed conversos, which were actually not just Jews who recently converted to Catholicism but included descendants who didn’t even know their ancestors were Jewish. Saw a lovely film called “Day of Wrath” about a medieval sheriff who is investigating strange murders. He finds out the victims are of Jewish ancestry. Later on, he finds out that the men murdered were blackmailing Catholics of Jewish ancestry. Someone is killing blackmailers. Then he finds out... can’t say, not going to write spoiler alert & ruin the movie... really was an outstanding end... didn’t get it the first time because of hungry cats distraction... so I watched the end again... wedding scene makes one’s head spin because you realize everyone in the room... not telling...

[@folkeholtz6351]

For people who deny the inspiration of the prophesy of Daniel solve this by say that the book of Daniel is written around 250 BCE. In other words they see it as a history turned over to be viewed as prophesy, just like Professor Yuval i the Hebrew university says, a former orthodox Jew. How shall we view this? What foundation does Yuval has for his conclusion? Nothing, just his own belief. So no one can say that this is a history seen as prophesy but it is indeed a prophesy from HaShem himself which the possibility is confirmed in other places in Tanach. In Jeremiah it is said that Israel shall always be a people before Hashem as long as day and night and the nature is function as usual. See we are still here. Prophesy fulfillment every day.

[@jackydebosard8297]

" Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them..." ( Matthew 5:17)

[@tenaktalk]

Jesus taught to keep Torah mostly...but he still could not have been the Messiah

[@jackydebosard8297]

@@tenaktalk Shalom! Peace be with you. We Messiahnic and Charismatic Jewish ✡, followers of Christ, we strongly believe that Jesus was and is the Messiah expected by our patriarchs, back in time 1000 BC. Once upon a time, our Lord Jesus Christ, answered to the Pharisees and the Saducees and the scribes of the Law, who were questioning his Divine authority. Jesus said," You search the scripture, because you think that in them you have eternal life. Yet you refuse to come to me to have eternal life... I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me..."( John 5:39-43). Also, our Lord Jesus Christ, gave a warning;" But, whoever denies me before people, I will deny him also before my Father..."(Matthew 10:33). I pray that our Lord Christ Jesus, be revealed to you sooner or later, as it happened to Saul, called Paul in the road to Damascus. Amen 🙏

[@jacquesfrenchman]

@@tenaktalk Actually the ancient rabbis Aquila and Akiva and Rashi all changed the Hebrew texts which resulted in the MT which has been tampered with. Christian LXX carbon dates 200+BCE and matches DSS - Apostles quoted from LXX and DSS - of course they don't match the corrupted MT - MT is only 1000 years old🤣 *_PROPHESY FULFILLED_* 👇👇👇 *_JEREMIAH 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie_* .

[@Krizlybear]

Classic Christian paranoia. Remember when they were burning witches. 😂 when will people finally just wake up.

[@dalesnyder1753]

If your text is messed up then that means your writing are corrupt , so how you teaching anything other than tradition out of talmud which isn't scripture and only tradition.

[@User-x5s3x]

The ENTIRETY of the Hebrew scriptures (INCLUDING the Talmud, which is the explanation and detail of what is in Tanach!!) CANNOT be understood WITHOUT the Talmud! Do some HONEST RESEARCH on this subject!

[@dalesnyder1753]

@@User-x5s3x talmud is not Scripture

[@manuelmagro9173]

Some of the later parts of Isaiah have been questioned by scholars as being impossible, because of 200 year prophecies authored before the actual events. This coming from scholars is quite disturbing. Good to know that you believe in prophecy Rabbi. The very first parts of Genesis state that there will be enmity between the seed of the woman and the seed of the snake. The narrative of Jesus just being a peacemaker does not imply that he is not at war with the seed of the snake. The context as mentioned in the video as Jesus being a troublemaker, rather than a warrior for righteousness, is contradicted by passages from the book of Matthew that is quoted as Jesus's own words. I am referring to the beatitudes as being Jesus' real character. I would rather like to state that it confirms that there is a huge battle between good and evil. It is also superficial judgement to make out Jesus as being a conspiracy by the church to undermine the Jews and justification for Jewish oppression. I have a last comment and that is why did all OT prophecy just stop if Jesus was not real?

[@yosefgreen3130]

🙄

[@j.braunstein4599]

Seed simply means descendants. The verse means that because the servant tempted Eve, here descendants would be tempted by sin (bitten by the heel), but her descendants would overcome sin (crush its head).

[@manuelmagro9173]

@@j.braunstein4599 Thanks for the insight. Therefore the snake is sin and man will conquer sin. Does this imply that there is no satanic power, but that man can become perfectly holy by "behaving properly"? In other words it is a process of "cutting ties" with sin and eventually to become holy.

[@j.braunstein4599]

@@manuelmagro9173 According to Genesis 4: Is it not so that if you improve, it will be forgiven you? If you do not improve, however, at the entrance, sin is lying, and to you is its longing, but you can rule over it." So by resisting temptation, man can rule over sin.

[@curly_dock]

@@j.braunstein4599 Correct. This is not contrary to the earliest teaching of the Church. This does not mean, however, that man can earn eternal life in the presence of God in the hereafter (that is to inherit the promise made to Abraham). For that, something else must happen.

[@a.m204]

It is time for Yisrael to sue Some for changing the Holy TANAKH

[@jacquesfrenchman]

*JEREMIAH 8:8* “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

[@jacquesfrenchman]

Septuagint carbon dates 250 BC and matches the DSS - it's not Christians who changed the scriptures - do your research.

[@Michael_Kerstein]

He never really answers the questions...just dances around

[@DENISE4TRUTH]

I have read the Piso family (Romans) created the New Testament! Is that true???

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

No, it’s suppose to be the Flavian emperors, Vespasian & Titus, if you ever want to read a farce. Atwill’s cute conspiracy theory has it that the Emperors hired Flavius Josephus to rewrite the entire Bible, OT & NT. It gives no classical references. It has no sources. It was very popular among Militant/New Atheists back about 2017? Jesus was suppose to be a dead businessman. I can’t remember what Paul was suppose to be. I was an atheist at the time & kept asking for references when I wasn’t telling believers in it they had lost their minds. Do yourself a favor, don’t read it. They are plenty of Google references and synopses on the subject. Remember no classical references whatsoever. Nada, nada, spit.

[@jacquesfrenchman]

No

[@vpugs1716]

If anything, I think GOD allowed it, so the Jews didn't believe lies. I am weird, but when I read the new testament, I see it; Isaiah shows it too. GOD IS ONE. What flesh could contain GOD’s glory? I only worship the GOD of all creation and the Torah.

[@vpugs1716]

Michah 2:4

[@k.k.5046]

7:56 true or false ?

[@k.k.5046]

If you listen carefully it sounds like a honest confession .You need to speak to Messianic Rabbi asap .

[@mannymannyson6720]

@@k.k.5046 messianics are just a christian denomination.

[@k.k.5046]

@Abraham Mani What you think of Tovia S. then?

[@AmericanIsraeliJew]

Rosh Chodesh.

[@truthgiverandfinder3246]

True order of so called "NT" of christian books and letters - 1thessalonians 53 CE Galatians 54 CE 1corinthians 56 CE Phillipians 58 CE 2corinthians 58 CE Romans 62 CE Philemon 64 CE Colossians 68 CE Mark 75 CE Matthew 92 CE Hebrews 95 CE James 101 CE Luke 106 CE Acts 109 CE 2thessalonians 110 CE Ephesians 112 CE John 114 CE 1timothy 114 CE 1peter 114 CE 1john 115 CE 2john 116 CE 3john 117 CE Revelation 119 CE Jude 122 CE 2timothy 125 CE Titus 134 CE 2peter 145 CE Koine greek which is a but corrupt it appears. And is apparent. What should we expect it's christianity and judaism using our greek language and unholy textualizations for their corrupt books and works like NT and Septuagint stuff.

[@truthgiverandfinder3246]

@Abraham Mani the only nation that is sinful is Israel and your sinful false god

[@setrotoxin1146]

I have heard that Daniel was considered to have some Greek terms as well, which further supports the later dating. What are the thoughts on this?

[@KaraiteKohen]

What I think the first call was referring to is that the book of Kings states that the Torah was lost for a number of years until Shapan the scribe found it!

[@KaraiteKohen]

@Abraham Mani Abraham, we are not quite there yet. Remember that the last verse of Amos promises: "9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be plucked up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God." So what's going on here? There is a cohesive logic to Isaiah, Amos and Ezekiel. First, the branch of Jesse will arrive and "slay the wicked with the breathe of his lips" (In accord: Amos -9:10 " All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, that say: 'The evil shall not overtake nor confront us.'" Fine. But we are also told to expect the ingathering of the Jewish people (Isaiah 11) and the reestablishment of the Holy Temple (Ezekiel 34 and 37). Until then I will await the Lord's judgment, but the Dangerous days have always existed since the founding of the State of Israel.

[@jacquesfrenchman]

*JEREMIAH 8:8* “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

[@alexandermarkus9587]

These are not random, inconsequential differences between the texts. Rather, these appear to be places where the Masoretes (or their forebears) had a varied selection of texts to consider, and their decisions were influenced by anti-Christian bias. Simply by choosing one Hebrew text over another, they were able to subvert the Incarnation, the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, His healing of the blind, His crucifixion, and His salvation of the Gentiles. The Jewish scribes were able to edit Jesus out of many important passages, simply by rejecting one Hebrew text, and selecting (or editing) another text instead. Thus, the Masoretic Text has not perfectly preserved the original Hebrew text of Scripture. The Masoretes received corrupted texts to begin with, they used an alphabet which was radically different from the original Hebrew, they added countless vowel points which did not exist in the original, they excluded several books from the Old Testament scriptures, and they included a number of significant changes to prophecy and doctrine. It would seem that the Septuagint (LXX) translation is not only far more ancient than the Masoretic Text . . . the Septuagint is far more accurate as well. It is a more faithful representation of the original Hebrew Scriptures. Perhaps that is why Jesus and the apostles frequently quoted from the Septuagint, and accorded it full authority as the inspired Word of God

[@alexandermarkus9587]

"We also have copies of the Old Testament Scriptures which were translated into Greek, over 1000 years earlier than the oldest existing Masoretic text. During New Testament times, Jesus and the Apostles quoted from this Greek translation frequently, and with full authority. They treated it as the Word of God, and as a faithful translation. This is what we now call the “Septuagint”

[@curly_dock]

The Rabbi is not correct that the MT only adds vowel markers. The Rabbis acknowledged this themselves in the Talmud. They had to reconcile variant texts, they added Tiqqun Soferim, etc... All by their own admission.

[@j.braunstein4599]

Yes, but even so, the LXX was also edited by the early church fathers, especially Origen. Some of these changes may have been to align with the NT writings, and there are some scholars who say the LXX quotes the NT, not the other way around.

[@curly_dock]

@@j.braunstein4599 Well, we at least know that Origen compiled Greek texts, sure. I'm not sure I buy the interpretation that the LXX quotes the NT considering alignments found in Peshitta, Targums, and DSS, which Origen didn't have, but I haven't researched that and won't die on that hill. I'm not sure we have the same ironclad evidence of emendation there as we do with the MT, but I could be corrected.

[@j.braunstein4599]

@@curly_dock I’m sure we all have at least a little religious bias. However, I find it quite ridiculous to say that the writers of the DSS changed Isaiah 7:14 even before Jesus was born.

[@curly_dock]

@@j.braunstein4599 Oh absolutely! I don't mean to argue that a cabal of anti-Christian scribes changed that verse. I'm quite convinced, to the contrary, that a reading with "almah" existed. But for some reason, the LXX translator either had a different text, or made the editorial decision to render "almah" as "parthenos". The Jewsish audience of St. Matthew's gospel would have heard the Greek translation read in the synagogues, and that's all that really matters, as far as I (in my admittedly very limited sense) can tell.

[@j.braunstein4599]

@@curly_dock That Greek word doesn’t exactly have a perfectly defined meaning though. In Genesis, Jacob’s daughter is called that word in the Greek text after she is sexually violated.

[@jackydebosard8297]

" Woe to you Pharisees! Woe to you Saducees and the scribes of the Law. Truly I tell you, you search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life. Yet you refuse to come to me to have eternal life... I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me. ( John 5:39-43). " Before Abraham was, I AM..." ( John 8:48-59). Amen 🙏

[@jackydebosard8297]

@@goldengun9970 Please, child of God, refrain your anger and sorrow, turn the darkest page of the past, find peace in you and invite our Lord to come into your life. Be renewed by the word of God and remember NO ONE CAN ACCESS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN UNLESS IS BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. If you are in Christ, you are a New Creature, behold! the old things are passed away, everything are becoming New... Shalom! child of Israel 🇮🇱.

[@jackydebosard8297]

@@goldengun9970 Shalom! I am not your enemy. Messiahnic Jewish ✡ like me are your fellows and children of God. We are All children and descendants of our patriarch Abraham. Peace be with you 🙏

[@mannymannyson6720]

@@jackydebosard8297 most deceptive christian denomination who wish to wipe out the jewish nation. Yeah you are straight out our enemy

[@User-x5s3x]

The "NT" is absolutely NOT scripture that was given to mankind by God, since NO FURTHER SCRIPTURES were given to mankind by God AFTER Mt. Sinai! PLEASE do some honest research on this subject, buy a Hebrew Bible (says "Stone Edition TANACH" on the cover) and Rabbi Singer's books, as well as Rabbi Stuart Federow's book "Judaism and Christianity - A Contrast", to help you understand why Christianity absolutely did NOT come from God. Btw, 'Messianic' Christianity also did NOT come from God, but is a false, pagan, man-made, replacement theology religion, that translates the Tanach into Hebrew, to deceive Jews, and anyone else who will listen, into converting to their false, pagan, man-made religion!

[@jackydebosard8297]

@@User-x5s3x Who has believed what we have heard? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he (Jesus Christ) grew up before him like a young plant 🌱 🪴, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we (Jewish, Hebrews, Israelites) should look at him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He (Jesus Christ) was despised and rejected by others ( Jewish ✡, Jews, Israelites, Hebrews) a man of suffering and acquainted with infirmity; and as one from whom others (Jewish, Hebrews, Israelites) hide their faces, he (Jesus Christ) was despised, and we held him of no account....But he (Jesus Christ) was wounded for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities, struck down by God, and afflicted. Upon him (Jesus Christ) was the punishment that made us whole and by his bruises we (Jewish, Israelites, Hebrews) we are healed...." ( Isaiah 53:2-5). Amen 🙏

[@13GS13]

Why doesn't the Masoretic text match the Septuagint or the more ancient Hebrew manuscripts?

[@j.braunstein4599]

The septuigant is a church product, in Origen’s time, there were apparently four versions of it going around. I’m other words, it was basically a mess.

[@deanlangenfeld3869]

@@j.braunstein4599 No one has the original.

[@j.braunstein4599]

@@nccognito2324 Mmmmmmm biased much?

[@j.braunstein4599]

@@nccognito2324 You are putting words in my mouth and spreading nothing but hate and negativity. Please don’t do that.

[@j.braunstein4599]

@@nccognito2324 You literally said Jews were the seed of the Devil in another post, I’m not taking anything here you say seriously.

[@folkeholtz6351]

The academic freedom is not so free then it comes to religions particular the Bible, and in this teaching the book of Daniel. It seems to be like how the Atheists say about the creation: " it looks like a higher intelligence have created it all, but we must learn that it has not been created: " Academic freedom? No. However most scientific persons are nowadays deistic, but not Theistic since they do not want to acknowledge that the higher intelligence is a person! (G-d)

[@folkeholtz6351]

@Abraham Mani It is hard to answer this writing since we see it so far apart. I view the Tanach as a Jew and not as a Christian and in all conversation we tends to passing each other, so no reply is useful.

[@folkeholtz6351]

There is non finding of an older text that support the idea that Rabbis have changed the text in order to erode some verses that should be a verdict for the so called truth that an older Tanach would confirm Jesus as the Messiah or that he is god. If one sees the plain text it is impossible to find the name of Jesus or a descriptions that foretold clearly as it is done in New Testament. In this have the Rabbi Tovia totaly right. When we come to the INTERPRETATION it is something else. The problem with this is that many interpretation that some Christians does do not lead to a conclusive verdict since in the world of INTERPRETATION is based on a construction which people in a debate must agree with based on dogma and on New Testaments statement. Even the late Christian teacher and leader in China: Watchman Nee said that when one read about The tears of Rachel we could not see that this had anything to do with Jesus. And so with many so called other so called fullfilled prophesy. This on the level of the very plain text.

[@randiwaxman8412]

That is hard to follow but it sounds like an echo chaimber.

[@folkeholtz6351]

@@randiwaxman8412 What is like an echo Chaimber? What education do you have to be able to come to a statement of what Rabbi Singer says or me.

[@curly_dock]

Sure the Rabbis admitted to changes in the text. They spell it out plainly themselves in the Talmud. The issue is that not everything that is fulfilled is "prophesy". Also Watchman Nee is not a Christian, so I wouldn't take him as an authority on the faith.

[@folkeholtz6351]

@@curly_dock Here is one thing that´s wrong and that about Watchman Nee, he was one of the greatest Bible-teacher in the 1900- century . The second wrong is that rabbis did changes the text. They did not. Talmud is something else. It is a discussion - book, not an extra Bible or a book of rulings.

[@curly_dock]

@@folkeholtz6351 My apologies, I confused Watchman Nee with Witness Lee. But to clarify, the Rabbis in the Talmud admit that the Masoretic Text of the Bible was altered.

[@tehufn]

Thank you so much for covering the Daniel "issue." Academia is silly, and scrambling wildly to cover their tracks and deny prophecy--and it's hilarious. Even professors within the field admit that a large portion of the work it puts out is pseudoscience. (Look up Joshua Berman)

[@jessereichbach588]

I'm afraid you are largely mistaken. .The Rabbi unfortunately appears to misunderstand what the evidence is and what it suggests. The claim is that the book of Macabees and Daniel were written in accordance with one another, which is why it aligns with Daniel. So the book of Macabees itself can not be used as proof that the book of Daniel was written in the 5th century. The theory, based on the actual evidence, suggests Daniel was written as Maccabean propaganda, as was the book of Macabees. For the Hasmoneon dynasty. The Kohen who made themselves Kings, which was supposed to be impossible according to Rabbinical Judaism, yet it happened and it is celebrated within Judaism. Further, we have good records from Greek, Babylonian, Persian and Egyptian and Assyrian sources, and all agree on the King lists of Persia and Medea. And none ever once mention Darius the Mead, a person who did not exist in history, yet is stated in Daniel is the King prior to Cyrus. Further, Meadea no longer existed by the time Cyrus freed those from Babylon. So if you believe it is pseudoscience, then you don't fully understand the actual evidence or what the claims are. No one is suggesting they KNOW what happened. Only that we have a very good idea what didn't happen. If you can understand the difference. The claims of certainty aren't coming from the academic world, they come from the orthodox world. Claims to know, absolutely something that is impossible to know with any certainty at all. The book of Daniel is relatively easily proved to be of the 2nd century BCE. And if you approached the evidence genuinely, you might understand this. Academics also suggest Isaiah was written in two different sections over the course of 200 years, so we also don't have the problem with Isaiah knowing of the Babylonian empire or its collapse. Like all "prophecy" in the text, we have a very very very evidence that these were written after the fact, which is how they were correct about their prophecy. You can not use Tanach to prove Tanach. That is the very definition of unfalsifiable. That is a circular investigation, an impossible one. So the only way to prove Tanach is with actual extra-biblical evidence. Which so far doesn't really exist. And no, the KH scrolls are not evidence of Judaism or Torah/Tanach. All the KH scrolls are actually evidence for are two priestly prayers of a Yhvh cult. By cult I just mean cluster of worship. We can't tell anything further from the KH scrolls. they are not evidence of Judaism, of Pentateuch/tanach or for that matter monotheism. The only thing they are evidence for are 2 priestly blessings and Yvhv worship of some variety, which we know existed in other places in Canaan and wasn't restricted to "israelites". Anyway, I would suggest that you investigate further and read the actual relevant material. because you will find that you are incorrect about much of your claim. And I am a Jew, not an atheist. I am just not Orthodox.

[@davidabulafia7145]

If Moses talked about jesus, why did the israelite follow Christianity

[@alexandermarkus9587]

The oldest copies of the Masoretic Text only date back to the 10th century, nearly 1000 years after the time of Christ. And these texts differ from the originals in many specific ways. The Masoretic text is named after the Masoretes, who were scribes and Torah scholars who worked in the middle-east between the 7th and 11th centuries. The texts they received, and the edits they provided, ensured that the modern Jewish texts would manifest a notable departure from the original Hebrew Scriptures. Historical research reveals five significant ways in which the Masoretic Text is different from the original Old Testament: 1. The Masoretes admitted that they received corrupted texts to begin with. 2. The Masoretic Text is written with a radically different alphabet than the original. 3. The Masoretes added vowel points which did not exist in the original. 4. The Masoretic Text excluded several books from the Old Testament scriptures. 5. The Masoretic Text includes changes to prophecy and doctrine. We will consider each point in turn

[@alexandermarkus9587]

They did not re-wright it but it changed the meaning through vocals

[@unapologetics1162]

Rabbi Singer, while I love the passion and knowledge displayed, I think the argument about the authenticity of Daniel needs a lot of work. If Daniel is a Pseudepigrapha then Ezekiel had used that name to refer to a world-wide renowned wise man from legends of old like Noah and Job, to illustrate his point to the king of Tyre, rather than a contemporary Jewish figure. Then the Jews would have believed Jeremiah's 70 year prophecy did come true in a sense relating to the rebuilding of the temple though they are still being divinely punished until an unknown set time and cannot rebel against foreign rulers. However, after Antiochus the IV desecrated the temple, it was the last straw, and a new author(s) decided to revisit an original Daniel and recalculate Jeremiah to say their divine punishment is over and they can rebel, directly helping their war effort. Daniel not only allows them to rebel but the book of Maccabees highlights Daniel of all other texts, besides God's unparalleled miracles in the exodus, not because the miracles there are the greatest, but rather to highlight God's protection for individuals who keep the purity of food and worship which Antiochus sought to destroy. excessively

[@randiwaxman8412]

You missed something obvious

[@curly_dock]

It simply isn't true that the DSS are 99% in alignment with the MT. In many places, the DSS agrees with the Greek translation referenced by the NT authors as opposed to the MT.

[@curly_dock]

Not to mention places where the DSS and the Samaritan Pentateuch agree against the MT.

[@jacquesfrenchman]

You're wrong - DSS align with Greek Septuagint and disagree with MT..Akiva re-wrote the scriptures through Aquila - this is history - the Christians kept the original Septuagint which was also found in the DSS and matches NT - Tovia will say NT is wrong - only because it doesn't match word for word with the mistranslated MT. *JEREMIAH 8:8* “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

[@curly_dock]

@@jacquesfrenchman I believe you may have misunderstood me.

[@jacquesfrenchman]

MASORETIC text does not match DSS - the LXX which the Apostles quote from does - our KJV reflects the original scrolls found at quran

[@franciscusgomarus5086]

According to Israeli Scholars Gershom Scholem and Yehuda Liebbes, Jewish Rabbis have over the centuries deleted passages in the Talmud and the Zohar which taught a 2nd Person in the Godhead and the doctrine of the Trinity. If Jewish Rabbis in the past could do that to the Talmud and Zohar it is easy to believe the Church Fathers when they say that the Jews corrupted the Messianic passages in the Old Testament Text.

[@Room-gf7vy]

According to christian priest paul oestreicher and Hugh Montefiore the Jesus was in a homosexual relationship with John.

[@Room-gf7vy]

According to the christian book of Hebrews the Jesus was made. And made lower than the angels. 😬😬 what happened to “begotten not made”?

[@randiwaxman8412]

Outliers

[@Room-gf7vy]

@@randiwaxman8412 my point exactly.

[@felixjmokoh777]

WELL…WELL…WELL RABBI SINGER, THERE ARE DISCREPANCIES IN THE SCRIPTURES…YOU JUST CANNOT EXPLAIN ALL OF THEM SATISFACTORILY…YOU JUST CANT. WELL, NO CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES SO, WE LET IT SLIDE UNTIL NEXT EDITION. EXEGETE JOSEPH MOSES

[@alexandermarkus9587]

Today, many people are under the false impression that the Masoretic Text represents the “original Hebrew”, and that the Septuagint is less trustworthy because it is “just a translation”. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. The Septuagint is actually more faithful to the original Hebrew than the Masoretic Text is. We no longer have original copies of the Old Testament. Nor do we have copies of the originals

[@jacquesfrenchman]

Akiva re-wrote the scriptures through Aquila - this is history - the Christians kept the original Septuagint which was also found in the DSS and matches NT - Tovia will say NT is wrong - only because it doesn't match word for word with the mistranslated MT. *JEREMIAH 8:8* “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

[@danielmalinen6337]

However, as we know from research and textual criticism, the Hebrew Bible cannot be said to be completely unchanged because it also has its own history of changes and post-editing of the texts. The few places where scholars and textual critics have found significant changes in the Hebrew Bible has been in passages that were originally misunderstood when it was once decided to make the Greek translation of Septuagint. The changes and simplifications between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic Text have been intended to re-avoid translation errors in erroneous translations. For example Isaiah 61: And release from the darkness for the prisoners (Dead Sea scrolls) > And release from the blindness for the tied (Septuagint) >> And release for the imprisoned (Masoretic); since the Hebrew word ‘darkness’ has changed to the Greek word ‘unseeing’ (i.e. ‘blindness’) it has been decided to dropped it from the text, so that the same error doesn't happen again. But there are also a few passages in the texts that amaze scholars, such as Goliath's height change as well as why Sarah's prayer is erased from the Masoretic text while in the Dead Sea scrolls Lord hears Sarah when she pray. However, these changes have nothing to do with Jesus and it is strange if there are such Christians who claim so because there is no basis for this claim.

[@tomlawhon6515]

I found the discussion of the topic of whether there were changes made to the Hebrew Scriptures as part of a program of dissuading Jews from believing that Jesus is the Messiah to be rather weak. As a Christian I suppose I should be happy that no better case can be made, but I expected more. I had a similar experience when I heard Brother John Hagee explain why the church would be raptured at the beginning of the Tribulation period. Though I did not agree with what he said, I thought he would make a stronger case because so many people believe that way. But the scriptures cited could all be very naturally interpreted differently. First, Tovia did not acknowledge that other that the Isaiah scroll, most of the Dead Sea scrolls are fragmentary, and many passages that are the ones disputed on the theory that verses were changed, usually in subtile ways, to try to invalidate in Jewish people's minds the Greek language Scriptures, which were all written before the changes were made. The argument Tovia relies on is that the people claiming the Hebrew language Scriptures were altered to combat the Christian Scriptures were anti-Semites. Frankly, people changing Scriptures would tend to put Bible lovers in a bad mood and make say bad things about whoever did such a thing. But the entire Jewish people could never rationally have been accused of altering the Hebrew Scriptures. It would have only been an elite with a lot to lose who would dare change the scriptures. It is not anti-Semitism to say there are some very bad Jewish leaders. Christians have no problem acknowledging that some Christian leaders have been terrible people, which means that today some Christian leaders probably are terrible people now but just have not been found out yet. It would only take a few highly placed leaders who could convince their contemporary disciples to go along because they are convinced that, as Tovia today believes, that the Christian faith is idolatry, so that justified changing Scriptures to persuade Jews not to listen to Christian Scriptures. The fact that Tovia has to read Greek Scriptures as if every person who is Jewish in religion is guilty of the worst betrayal of the Holy Scriptures and/or knowing crucified the Messiah to keep their place of prominence in Jewish society shows there is a problem inherent in the argument. Most Jews were never prominent in Jewish society. If everyone were prominent, nobody would be prominent. . There is nothing in the gospels that says or implies that the people who knew Jesus was the Messiah but wanted him to be killed are a majority or even a substantial minority. Jesus forgave from the Cross all who did not know what a sinful thing it was that they did to seek his death. Jesus also said that the one who delivered Jesus to Pilate had greater sin than Pilate, though of course that also says Pilate had sin, just not as bad as someone else. The person who pronounced sentence on Jesus before turning Jesus over to Pilate, was Caiaphas. And Caiaphas was the only person that Jesus explicitly said would be an individual who will be raised in the first resurrection and because Caiaphas will see the Son of Man coming in power. Caiaphas was essentially told he would be saved, because Revelation says everyone that has part in the first resurrection is blessed and holy. That indicates that Caiaphas did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah and turn him over to Pilate, a fact also to which Peter also refers. This should be assumed to be the most common condition of the Jewish leaders, only a small subset of whom some knew that Jesus was Messiah but this subset of the elites loved the praises of men rather than the praises of God. The gospels do not say all Jews are of the synagogue of Satan, but in the first occurrence of the phrase it is only those Jews who believed on Jesus but who were already plotting to kill Jesus, for whom the term is apt. The disciples of Jesus were all Jews by religion, but not by nationality, because Israel and Judea has been separate nations for 700 years. If a person wanted to read the Tenak as a antisemitic book it would be easy. Tovia never reads the Tenak that way, because he doesn't what to. I don't read the Tenak as an anti-Semitic book either, but neither do I read the Greek language Scriptures as if I were an anti-Semite either. Why should Tovia read the Greek language Scriptures as if he were an Anti-Semite? It makes little sense when to read the Greek language Scriptures either when you consider that the authors are Jewish in religion. Jesus' remark about Jerusalem and Abel is not about Jewish people, when there were no Jewish people, but about the location where Cain slew Abel, which Jesus says was at Jerusalem. Prophets were being slain at Jerusalem before there were Jews. There is not a lot of solid evidence that the texts that Christians say that in the time the Greek Scriptures were being written that some verses of Tenak were differ from what Jews study today and are like the Greek Scriptures say the Tenak read. If there were a big difference between what the apostles said that Tenak says and what the Tenak said, it would have hindered the growth of the church in Jerusalem where the Hebrew Scriptures were stored in the Temple. But the growth of the early Church was explosive when there were authoritative copies of Tenak in the Temple. In fact, that was the greatest period of church growth because what the apostles were saying could be checked out and it did check out. Another evidence of changes to the Hebrew Scriptures that locate when the changes occurred is found in Josephus. In his earlier work, Josephus uses the same genealogy as in the LXX, but in a later work by Josephus, he uses the genealogy that is used in Tenak today. Josephus was not just a historian, he was also a priest. Josephus had access to the Hebrew Scriptures and does it seem likely that a historian would not have noticed if the scrolls that has been in the Temple had a different genealogy earlier in Josephus career as a historian than later in his later career. Josephus makes no mention that his later work has a different genealogy. He just accepted that this altered different genealogy is now the official Tenak genealogy. That indicates the text changed but said nothing about it. There is also a Pre-Christian fragment of a Psalm which matches the Greek language Christian writing rather than the now standard Hebrew language Scripture. I would not say that the information is overwhelming on either side of the controversy. It boils down to whether you trust a particular group of rabbis more than the writers of the Christian cannon.

[@paulataylor7915]

You need to listen to more of Tovia! You will awaken to the truth of Torah!

[@debrapaulino918]

I'm reading your chapter thesis ... Let's cut to the chase. Torah initiated the destruction of human sacrifice common practice worldwide to various gods. John 3:16 is an affront to Y--H Who said it's an abomination never desired much less needed and Who doesn't change on the basis of being eternally reliable and stable. I will be picking your chapter thesis apart as time permits. "As it turns out" your saving man-god's blood is not only abomination but a myth. You have no superior edge here with what you think is your holy spirit gift. I have a double-edged sword. Your arguments I read so far are dull.

[@debrapaulino918]

Your "putting Bible lovers in a bad mood" defense overlooks Bible lovers ignorance on the matter. The original Septuagint done by the 72 Rabbis in Alexandria was only Torah for starters. It was housed in the Synagogue there. It and the Synagogue and the Great Alexandrian Library perished by fire. That was the result of Julius Caesar and his ships entering the Port uninvited and being fired upon. The whole sector was destroyed. Consider the magnitude of losing history before ancient history along with knowledge on every subject including the sacred/esoteric. If by some quirk of fate that Torah wasn't destroyed but stolen, it presents the mystery as to where it ...

[@debrapaulino918]

It's not overwhelming at all. Human blood sacrifice was and is abomination. Humanity got bumped up by eliminating it. It's the human psyche to think appeasing a god's wrath can best be served with human blood. That's as heathen as it gets. You're stuck on the Christian interpretation of original sin you've been taught. Mary contributed her human DNA. Her parents were human also. Whether JC had a human father or not is moot. Trinitarians maintain he was fully G-d and fully man. You're done.

[@screamtoasigh9984]

@@nccognito2324 you can't be a pagan for one. You're out. The Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon The Messiah must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct descendant of King David & King Solomon (2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:9-10). Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son (Numbers 1:1-18). There is no evidence that Jesus really had this pedigree, and the Christian Bible actually claims that he did not have a “birth-father” from the tribe of Judah descending from King David and King Solomon (Matt. 1:18-20). Ingathering of the Jewish Exiles When the Messiah is reigning as King of Israel, the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel, their homeland (Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24). This has clearly not yet happened and we still await its fulfillment. Rebuilding of the Holy Temple The Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt (Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:26-27; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21). The Temple was still standing in Jesus’ day. It was destroyed 38 years after Jesus’ crucifixion and it has not yet been rebuilt. Worldwide Reign of Peace There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18). Wars have increased dramatically in the world since the start of Christianity. Observance of the Torah Embraced by All Jews The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27). Jesus never ruled as King, nor have all Jews embraced the commandments of G-d’s Torah. Universal Knowledge of G-d The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9). This, as well, has not yet taken place and we await its fulfillment. A Biblical Portrait of the Messiah All of these criteria for the Messiah are found in numerous places in the Jewish Bible. One foundational example is in the book of Ezekiel, Chapter 37:24-28: “24 And My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd, and they will walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and observe them 25 and they shall live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers have lived; and they shall live there, they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever; and My servant David will be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant, which I will give them; and I will multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever 27 and My tabernacle shall be with them, and I will be their God and they will be My people. 28 And the nations will know that I am the Lord who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.” Anyone can claim to be the Messiah or a group of people can claim that someone is the Messiah. However, if that person fails to fulfill all the criteria found in the Jewish Bible, he cannot be the Messiah. According to the Christian scriptures, Jesus seems to have understood this. As he was being crucified by the Romans, he cried out “My G-d, my G-d, why have You forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46).

[@marisolofearth]

I am of the perspective that the Tanakh is divine... so I was extremely disappointed in Rabbi Tovia's response regarding the contradiction of how many charioteers David killed. In his response he literally admitted that the varying accounts were a result of men pursuing their own agendas.... aka, the words of men. That's a big deal!!! Idk how you can admit that and go on like this is the inerrant word of God......... yikes.

[@Lestibournes]

If it's not written as a prophecy or the word of Gd, then why can't it have errors? We also see in other places, IIRC even in Torah, that a prophet can answer based on his own intellect, but when he consults Gd, Gd will say something different and the prophet will then have to correct himself. So if a prophet writes a history book, the history can be wrong. The critical part is that whatever he writes as a prophetic vision or a quote from Gd must be true, and that is judged based on consistency with what Gd said to Moses.

[@randiwaxman8412]

People existed

[@jacquesfrenchman]

*JEREMIAH 8:8* “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

[@jackydebosard8297]

Shalom! Children of Israel 🇮🇱. We Messiahnic and Charismatic Jewish ✡ and followers of Jesus Christ, we strongly claim that was not the end of the matter for the predictions about the Christ Jesus, in the Old Testament, for Messiah would return to earth 🌎 a second time ( Daniel 7:13);(Mark 13:26);(Luke 21:27), and he would one day rule in the city of Jerusalem 🇮🇱 as King of kings, as the nations would go up to that city to be taught in his ways, never more to " train for war anymore "(Isaiah 2:3-4). Even King David predicted the resurrection of Jesus, back 1000 BC, as he, too, saw what was ahead, namely, that Jesus would not be " abandoned to the grave, nor he let his Holy One see decay (Psalm 16:8-11);(Acts 2:30-31). Jesus is first seen in the Old Testament as the person who appeared as " the Angel of the Lord " in his sudden confrontation with Sarah's maidservant, Hagar (Genesis 16:7).

[@mannymannyson6720]

We know messianics are just a christian denomination. We are not idiots

[@curly_dock]

It isn't antisemitism to recognize that God's people forsake him. This is a common theme in the Prophets, of course.

[@jamesr8584]

Yet people use those verses to rationalize anti-Semitism.

[@curly_dock]

@@jamesr8584 Sure. Still doesn't make it antisemitic though, right?

[@chinko1953]

the common theme in the prophecies is that that while God disciplines and punishes his people for their misdeeds, God does not permanently reject and abandon his people and he will eventually redeem them and return them to their land and their heritage

[@jamesr8584]

@@curly_dock I would say the general tenor of the NT is anti-Semitic. Which begs the question, given the history of the Church's actions, aren't Christians supposed to get the Holy Spirit?

[@curly_dock]

@@jamesr8584 I'm not sure I see any antisemitism in the NT. Challenges to God's people, hard truths? Certainly. But nothing not rivaled in the prophets. I could be corrected on this, and I'm eager for evidence. And sure, just as ancient Israel fell away often from the paths faithfulness, so indeed do members of the Church. Quite grievously.

[@shira1270]

The land of Yahweh was the Iron Age of Israelites but Yah was a Canaanite god. The covenant theme is from Hittite theory and the sons of El. Archaeologists have found the carved plates showing lions and listing the names of the gods. So bottom line is that Tanach is mythological. The NT is myth. Neither book is historically accurate.

[@davidabulafia7145]

Jesus snd his mother was Jewish

[@mannymannyson6720]

Not relevant to us Jews

[@mohislam3041]

GOD is the CREATOR We are the CREATED We must worship GOD This Message has come to us thru GOD'S MESSENGER'S Like NOAH ABRAHAM JACOB MOSES JESUS AND LASTLY AND FINALLY MUHAMMAD ISLAM IS THE FINAL REVELATION FROM GOD FOR ALL MANKIND ISLAM GIVES THE TRUE. NARRATIVE DISCOVER ISLAM BE IN ISLAM THE ONLY TRUE FAITH ON THE EARTH TODAY DO NOT LEAVE THE EARTH WITHOUT BEING IN ISLAM

[@mohislam3041]

@Abraham Mani My Dear Abraham Appreciate your writing to me I believe that you were born INTO Jewish faith YES GOD did send MOSES and the Torah to the Jews HOWEVER that was then ISLAM is the Final Revelation from GOD and MOHAMMED is the Final MESSENGER from GOD Everyone on the earth today is required to be in ISLAM Do not REJECT ISLAM ISLAM gives the true narratives on all things Answers all questions True is my personal invitation to you and everyone to ISLAM True faith

[@jackydebosard8297]

Shalom! Dear brothers and sisters. As a Messiahnic/Charismatic Jewish ✡, I belong to those who strongly believe that Jesus Christ was and is the Messiah expected by our patriarchs and foretold by many of our own Prophets, back in time 1000 BC before the birth of the Messiah. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Malachi, Samuel, just to name a few are foretold and predicted his coming. But, why are we still really struggling to admit with honesty the history and all the evidence that pointed out that our own patriarchs ✡, at the time, called Pharisees, Saducees and the scribes of the Torah within the congregation of the Sanhedrine had completely messed up and missed out the arrival of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. We, Messiahnic Jewish ✡, and followers of Jesus, we strongly believe that the Torah is the substance of divine revelation to Israel 🇮🇱, the Jewish ✡, not only, BUT MOSTLY TO THE GENTILES as a whole, because the Torah gave birth to the Old Testament. After the Fall of man in the garden of Eden, Eve was promised in (Genesis 3:15), that a male descendant from her line would crush the head of the serpent 🐍( i.e. the Devil himself), and the male descendant will win completely over Satan, the prince of evil 😈. Satan would be finally vanquished. Then, in (Genesis 9:27), God would come and live/dwell in the tents of Shem, the Semetic peoples. This promise could be narrowed down even further for the tribe of Judah. It was predicted that the 4th son of Jacob would be the one God would invest with the scepter of ruling and the one from whom the line of Messiah (Jesus), would descend (Genesis 49:8-12). In fact, this coming one from Judah, would be; "A star, that would come out of Jacob, a scepter that would rise out of Israel 🇮🇱( Numbers 24:17). Moreover, the Messiah who would come would also be a " prophet " (Deuteronomy 18:15), as well as a " King " (Psalm 72). In the book of Job, the Messiah is called an "Angel " and a " Mediator "( Job 33:23-28). Also, the Messiah is seen as the " Anointed " one in ( Samuel 2:1-10), and the " faithful Priest " in ( 1 Samuel 2:35-36). In (2 Samuel 7), including in ( 1 Chronicles 17), and elaborated in ( Psalm 132), which pointed to the dynasty/house of David as the place where God would originate his throne, his dynasty and kingdom forever. The promise given to King David was so astounding that, David cried out;" This is the law charter for all humanity "(2 Samuel 7:19c). In other words, God had just now conferred on David an enlargement of the promise he had originally made with the patriarchs. To God be the glory. Praise the Lord, praise Jesus. Amen 🙏

[@jackydebosard8297]

@@nccognito2324 " Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new..."(2 Corinthians 5:17). To God be the glory. Praise the Lord, praise Jesus. Amen 🙏

[@jackydebosard8297]

@@nccognito2324 " But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned and under God's curse..."( Galatians 1:8);(2 Corinthians 11:4). To God be the glory. Praise the Lord, praise Jesus. Amen 🙏

[@jackydebosard8297]

@@goldengun9970 O Jerusalem!🇮🇱 Jerusalem🇮🇱... How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, " Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord..."(Matthew 23:37-39). Shalom! Peace be with you brethren.

[@unbiased786]

Rabbi no Rabbi can write the Psalms, proverbs or Job, those are divine. The 5 books as well as some of Kings and Samuel is earthly and certainly can be massaged by Rabbi's.

[@rouvoby1223]

The five Books of Moses cannot be of human origin. There is information in the book that no human could have known 3300 years ago. The book says that of ALL the land animals, the only ones a Jew is allowed to eat have to have 2 anatomical signs. The first, the animal has to have a split hoof. This is very easy for anyone to recognize. The second sign is a bit more tricky. The animal has to chew its cud, which means it regurgitates its food, chews it again, and digests it multiple times. If the book stopped there, sure, anyone could’ve written that. But the book doesn’t stop there. It EXPLICITLY names the only 4 animals on the planet with one of those anatomical features but not the other, and tells the Jews not to eat them. Those 4 animals being the Camel, the rabbit, the hyrax, and the pig. To this day, across all the continents, inside caves, on top of mountains, there has not been another animal found that has 1 feature and not the other.

[@unbiased786]

@@rouvoby1223 Interesting. Another interpretation. That's what the Torah sounds like. An interesting interpretation('s). But then Jews are blessed with the Prophets. They are magical with their words. Weaving symbolism. Explicit! Warning with clarity! Layer upon layer of richness in meaning. That's revelation!

[@lightworker4512]

@@rouvoby1223 children are the future. Yet, there are no commandants to not neglect or emotionally, physically or sexually abuse children. Honor your parents is written but children are neglected in the Torah. Animals are life, so are bacteria but there is no mention of bacteria in the Torah. God commands to not kill, yet God kills in the Torah. All present academic scholars believe the Torah to be written by many different authors.

[@shira1270]

Of course! someone rewrote legends of Tiamat the Mesopotamian gods and goddesses then inserted that into some fictional history of the Jews. Abraham did sacrifice Isaac and it was rewritten to have Isaac survive and become the father of the Jews. Now,of course, once the final scroll was done, it was copied faithfully after that but yes it’s all fables.

[@terryulmer969]

What a lie!

[@shira1270]

@@terryulmer969 have you researched the word Tehom and Tehomat? The English word “abyss” the world was an abyss before creation. The Enumah Elish the tablets of creation myths? Tehomat is the Sumerian god of salt water. The Sumerian tablets are used to write Genesis. You should have learned all that at the university but libraries are free to go inside and research the Tanach was made of myths. Now Singer is angry because the Christians rewrote his myths!!🤣

[@terryulmer969]

@@shira1270 Mainstream Academia does Not teach the real history. Some of my friends run the school of Kemet. First Nations around the world know that The One True Creator G_d created many different races/species/kinds of peoples, beings and other lifeforms, long before The One True Creator G_d created the Adom/Earthlings/Humans. We have been sharing this planet with them all through time. One of those many different races of beings is a race of beings that in Hebrew are called the Sheidim. The Sumerians called that same race the Anunaki. In the Middle East that same race is called the Jinn/Gjinn/Djinn race. The Greek's called them the Daemons (The Watchers). Christianity shortened that to demons and came up with their own misconceptions about them. They have many different names around the world but are described the same way. The Indigenous Tribes People here also have many different names for that same race of beings, but they would translate into English as the Owl people, or the Owl Women. They are also referred to as "the Tricksters " and "the Sky People". There are ancient petroglyphs of them by the Indigenous People here that depict them looking the same way as the Rock Carvings of them in the city of Ur on the opposite side of the Earth.

[@shira1270]

@@terryulmer969 Jews who worship owl woman and Singer says it’s all the Christians fault! The Christians aren’t even really Christians! They follow Paul and those letters he wrote.

[@terryulmer969]

@@shira1270 why are you lying? Jews don't worship Sheidim! You are delusional. Most won't even say the word, let alone want to even talk about them. I already said Christian's aren't really Christians, they are paulist. And man are they a-pauling!