1371 - Rabbi Tovia singer discusses: Is The Lords Prayer Jewish?

[@LoreneRaeWard]

I'm so thankful for you. I ❤ listening and learning! Baruch HaShem!

[@davidd.c.9545]

Thank you much for both of you!!

[@EmperessYephetite]

This is my favorite so far. wow So clear, everything I thought is true is and now You just said it , no divine spirit just missed it when I would read and now you just helped me get the connection!!!! May I be Judged as a baby in the womb not for my past but for what I will Do For You Father HalluYah!!!

[@AbrahamsBridges]

Wow! William, best episode, yet, with Rabbi Singer! Awesome! Thanks a bunch!

[@SamI-gl6tj]

Wil’Iam I love the channel and thank you so much for all your efforts in promoting Torah and the truth of Hashem. Just a word of hopefully, helpful feedback. Perhaps you can continue to improve a little on production of the show? We can usually hear your computer receiving notifications or a dead end screen noise like in todays show etc. Today we could hear some typing in the background. There is usually an issue with getting callers on or their volume on. I feel your work is so important and you are a wonderful host of the show that maybe bringing someone in to help with production could be very valuable. I’ll enjoy the show even if the production stays the same, but maybe stepping things up to the next level could help grow the channel and reach even more souls desperate to hear the word of Hashem. Much love brother!

[@screamtoasigh9984]

I wish they would do other fundraising things like kofi (or another buy me a coffee site) and merchandise. This could help fund some of the technical stuff as well.

[@tenaktalk]

Sam thank you for your thoughtful message. I will definitely be working on better production skills. Thanks for the good advice. Hiring someone to assist is unfortunately not possible. The show doesn't yet generate enough funding for my family at the moment. Perhaps someday though

[@SamI-gl6tj]

@@tenaktalk maybe moving some of the more popular shows or adding shows behind a Patreon account can help with that? Loyal fans these days are happy to pay for content they want to see. I don’t know how KZbin ad revenue works, but maybe connecting with other large KZbin channels can help with that. If you speak with Derek from Mythvision, I’m sure he can give some tips to growing a revenue stream. I know he takes super chat questions on shows he’s done with R Singer. I donated to the request you sent out, but maybe there are other ways to generate more revenue for the channel. All the best my friend and may your brother have a refuah sheleymah!

[@lizwood3514]

Rabbi Tovia does not understand anything about Jesus because he's not experienced the power. He's never been a Great High Priest passing beyond the veil and into the presence of God. You have to understand the power and presence of God, the Shekinah Glory, the Holy Spirit, to fully understand Jesus, Christianity and even the Dead Sea Scrolls. There are various moves that occur concerning the development of Christianity: 1) From Essenism where the law and the prophets regulate life in the first covenant which was exclusively Jewish 2) then John the Baptist comes: "the law and the prophets are in effect until John comes then it is Kingdom living" Luke 16:16 but "not one dot or iota will pass from the law until heaven and earth pass away" Luke 16:17. Now the new covenant begins where regulation is by kingdom living and the power of the Holy Spirit not the law and the prophets (though of course they are still relevant on earth). This is Jesus's ministry on earth. Unfortunately, John the Baptist, who was probably the other messiah was executed. There were two messiahs in the Dead Sea Scrolls possibly. The messiah of Aaron and the messiah of Israel. The next progression is 3) Jesus dies and goes to the right hand of the Father to send the power upon his apostles including eventually St. Paul who teaches under the power of the Holy Spirit about Christology. Christology is beyond the veil theology in the presence of God where everything is timeless (no entropy or arrow of time), spiritual (no solid matter) and therefore everything is complete now, paradoxically. It's a case of stepping back into the Garden of Eden, the Holy of Holies, into the heavenlies and anchorjng yourself in the Shekinah Glory. It's the world to come or kingdom come which is paradoxically now.

[@curly_dock]

Rabbi, your answer to the man who is thinking about his step-mother's eventual funeral was very tactful and gracious.

[@joshuabarker5703]

It's the "Lord's Prayer" which turned me to Judaism, praise God. It freed me from false belief in Christianity. I had been meditating on the Lord's prayer since 2018 and so many questions arose, and no one in my church could answer my questions without utilizing sophistry to explain away the obvious monotheistic and anti-christology message. I really did try very hard to think I was wrong but the message is just so clear, and it prompted me to reread the Torah in a completely new lense... and so now I love the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob they way God intended, and love the Torah and Jewish people. Perhaps one day I'll convert to Judaism fully, but for now, being Noahide is what is appropriate for my marriage's sake.

[@samworthy1257]

Wow Joshua. You seeing that from a christian background is so so impressive. Much more impressive than me who was born and raised a jew.

[@joshuabarker5703]

@@samworthy1257 I've always questioned christianized scripture, much made sense but then stuff like the Lord's Prayer utterly contradicted core Christian beliefs. All my childhood I sought advice from the Bible, but it was only old testament scripture which provided wise practical and spiritual advice/instruction, and when I followed them, they helped me... New Testament never provided clear advice, it only provoked more questioning.

[@k.k.5046]

@@joshuabarker5703 It is wrong by deceiving making money of the Bible according to King Solomon 1 Kings 3:16-28 Do you agree ?

[@joshuabarker5703]

@@k.k.5046 what on earth are you on about? And how is it relevant to my comments? What are you trying to prove?

[@joshuabarker5703]

@@k.k.5046 that scripture you stated has nothing to do with making money from the Bible.. it's a story about Solomon's discernment for justice, between 2 women fighting over the parentage of a baby.

[@wholovesyababy5574]

It is not necessary to call a synagogue and ask permission to attend. Anyone is welcome to attend services in a synagogue. No one should be treated badly. Perhaps if a person does not behave appropriately, they will be asked to leave. But if the guest is being respectful, he or she should have no problem. I live in NY and I have never seen a guest not treated well. But I have heard from others, that in other parts of the country, guests have not been treated well or made welcome. I personally have never seen that happen. I want to amend what I wrote. I haven't been to services since the Covid lockdowns. Perhaps since Covid and the terrorist attacks in shuls since then, perhaps synagogues have become more cautious. Perhaps they want to know who is coming in. Perhaps fear has changed things. I wrote about a time before these insane days we are now living in these past 2 years.

[@marilynsamaniego4652]

Problem is many synagogues are protective . Rightfully so. I can’t even walk in without knowing a security code . So therefore I have to call first and discuss attending,

[@susumaung5204]

Shalom my favorite Jewish family ❤️

[@karenwright8704]

Isahiuo

[@karenwright8704]

Isaiah whatf chapter 3

[@3wolfsdown702]

What a great question

[@bluethunder1214]

🕶 the Great Rabbi Tovia Singer. 👍💯

[@danasher9688]

Dear Rabbi Tovia,thank you for your beautiful messages that really answers all my questions. I have a question. I was a Hindu and later became a Christian. About 3 years ago I my spiritual mom shared about Torah and I started reading the Torah and started and trying to follow the torah ways.I have left Christianity and am so grateful to those who helped me come out of that fake religion. I live in Malaysia. There's no synagogue or jews.Can I be buried in a Christian cemetery one day when I pass away? I need to tell my family what to do when I die one day. I don't want to be buried in a indian cemetery for sure. Thank you for answer Rabbi. Baruch Hashem!

[@tenaktalk]

That is a great question! Please send this to [e-mail]

[@benignotorres9689]

Thanks for todays show. I have learn about been a Noahides'!!!

[@madmanmark8387]

Not to go in a church oh boy. I remember as a boy going to some for a wedding and I think funerals with my parents. Now the last time I visited a grandparent at the cemetery was in 2015. Long story short my mother was a foster child who bounced around from home to home until she became the daughter of her parents who took her in. Her foster dad was the only grandfather that I ever knew and an Italian Roman Catholic and is buried in and being you rabbi were a former new Yorker are familiar with St John's cemetery. I have mentioned before I was influenced by my uncle who became a born again Christian when I was a teenager and the last time I visited the cemetery was 2015 under the influence until 2018 when I began watching you I dropped being a born again Christian. I don't know if I will ever see my grandfather again if I even visit NYC overall. Good show it felt strange not watching any rabbi last week with passover happening.

[@AbrahamsBridges]

William, would you please let me know the website for the Tovia Singer Dallas speaking engagement in July? Thanks!

[@irobot1244]

Is it possible to mute the squeaking chair while the Rabbi is speaking? Everyone can hear the chair squeaking and somebody’s sighing and heavy breathing, which is really distracting and uncomfortable. Do you realize we can hear everything, right? Please! Thank you for the program!

[@fidelcatsro6948]

it needs an oil change 🤪👍🏿

[@granddame1000]

As I prefer graveside services, would that be preferable to a church funeral for a loved one if given choice

[@martinsolomon5500]

First comment. Yay 😀. Love Tovia

[@fidelcatsro6948]

my cat loves u too! 🐱♥️♥️♥️

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Isaiah 27:9 Destroy and shun Idolatry! God of Abraham Akbar!

[@THEACANDAS]

Do you believe Muhammad is found in Isaiah 42?

[@martinpatrick4720]

more Rabbi Singer can he will he teach another book like Isaiah thanks William

[@samanthacanales9102]

Luke 6-9 "9So then, this is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. 10Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." Amen.

[@Julia-em4gb]

“The Lord’s Prayer is Antichristian” lol 😂 I’ve been thinking that forever

[@haroldraley8197]

Rabbi Tovia Singer seems to think that the Lord's Prayer is Jewish in character but cannot say so directly. He has to speak carefully lest he stir up a hornet's nest.

[@thomasprice8127]

@@haroldraley8197 How can anyone say the Father is Jewish? He has no religious belief. He's the standard. His begotten Son came from the roots of Judah. The Father chose Israel as His ppl. Amos 3:1-2 and Jerusalem as a place to put His name forever. This is why Rev 21 calls the eternal city, NEW JERUSALEM. This stems from the promise made to Abraham in Genesis 15:18. The new Jerusalem is that continued eternal promise made to Israel in the new heaven and earth. The Father is not Jewish. He's the Almighty and there is no other. From Judah came the scepter, Messiah. But the Birthright belonged to Joseph. Here's a saying for you; the Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. Most don't know the Jewish issue. 1 Chronicles 5:

[@Room-gf7vy]

@@thomasprice8127 Wow such knowledge! Can you clear something up for me? If the Jesus was begotten in the eternal past, then how is Israel Hashem’s first born? Israel would have to be born before the Jesus… you can’t really say Jesus was begotten without Mary because the Greek bible says that Jesus is the son of a woman. So was Jesus begotten with Mary before Mary exsisted? But that doesn’t work, because the “spirit” came and made Mary pregnant after she was engaged to Joseph so that is when the begetting happened.. Hmmmm… smells like a big fat lie.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

it proves Jesus was a muslim, just like prophet Moses peace upon them all, their message was the same, to worship God alone!.. Muslim as in person who submits to God Almighty

[@half-galician2954]

@Iyas kelu He doenst have to 'smear' it. It smears itself w 'Trinity' 'Virgin births' 'human sacrifice' these are all hideous and repulsive pagan beliefs. ITs like saying if i took out a carton of rotting milk, that im smearing the milk. No it smells bad because its ungodly and pagan. Repent

[@minketheodora]

Just try The lords prayer out, quote it in the spirit about 10 x and see what will happen to your spirit and understanding, it is one of the most powerfull prayers in the Bible,. Many just recite it, but the power behind it, is enormous,.! Just dont discuss only, apply This Word of God and do it, and experience the reality of it,. The Lord prayer is a miracle,. an open gate to God,., it is Light, power, protection, grounding, and a holding for Eternity,. it is His Kingdom in a vew words,.amen. The High flame of Victory,.

[@locovaldezakarichardmccart843]

My statements are, of course thinking and questioning on the fly and I do remain open to further learning and understanding. I am on a journey to discover the Jewishness of Jesus often lost in Christian traditions and interpretations as well as learning of the heritage of Jewish ancestors on my Mother's side.

[@gershonperry5952]

Search and you shall find as it is said Yagaata umataatam Taamin,

[@paulawallace8784]

The Moshiach of the Bible Dies for No one, he Atones for No one's sins, he is Not born of a Virgin, he is Not the Son of Gd, he is Not Gd in the flesh, he is Not a Sacrificial Resurrecting demigod who dies for the People, as all those are PAGAN CONCEPTS derived from PAGAN MYTH, Not the Bible/Judaism. The Pagan Greco Roman christos Jesus is but a composite of a myriad of Greco Roman Man Made Idols, PERSEUS THE VIRTUOUS VIRGIN BORN DEMIGOD, DIONYSUS THE WATER INTO WINE MIRACLE MAKING IDOL and MITHRAS THE DYING RESURRECTING IDOL who dies for the People, whose Devotees ATE OF THE FLESH AND DRANK OF THE BLOOD, like his sidekick the Devil and his lake of fire, they are but 2 characters found only in the Greek Tall Tales of Man and Joe Smith Jr.'s Book of Mormon, NOT the Bible/Judaism.

[@aridouglas9756]

Puerto Rico has the largest Jewish population in the Caribbean, seriously now.

[@moodiblues2]

I was in elementary school in the 1950s. In a public school we were required to recite the Lords Prayer every morning. A majority of my class was made up of Jewish kids.

[@honeyflo88]

Amen. I rejoiced when they blew up the statues of Buddha. I still cant understand why the Christians who believe that idolitory is no good still they have statutes everywhere and full of iconography. Even though I am a christian I stay away from thier churches, most of them are crazy. I love the Torah now since im pretty lazy since I can just follow Isiah 55:7 without the theatrics. Even Jesus himself said, hey, not so fast buddies, dont follow me but do the will of hasheem. I cant recall the sin of Jacob, but i know its effect permeates till today. If that can be atoned by just getting rid of all that stuff then it should be done quickly. People have psychological attachment to physical things, some useful and most is just junk.

[@pontiacjeff]

Wil'iam, your mic was on the entire time, we could hear you typing, sniffling, breathing, shuffling papers, your chair creaking.

[@curly_dock]

The earliest traditions in the Church understood the word to refer to God's passive will rather than his active will. The preceeding verbs ("thy kingdom come," "thy will be done," "give us this day," "forgive us") are in the imperative, but "lead" is not. It means something like "don't revoke your grace from us when we face temptation". A parallel grammatical situation occurs when we read that God "hardened Pharoah's heart" but interpret it to mean "God allowed Pharoah's heart to be hardened." Another early Patristic tradition sees it through the lens of "trial" (a la Job). By this interpretation, we're asking God to spare us the test Job faced, recognizing that our faithfulness is incomplete and dependent upon God's mercy. This makes sense because just two chapters prior to this, Christ himself was "put to the test" (same verb) and emerged the victor.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

It means Allah's will be done on earth as in heaven.. Jesus was a muslim and never told anyone to worship him except God alone!

[@half-galician2954]

Maybe you are too far gone, that your own apologetics don't sound as pathetic to you as it does to anyone versed in Hebrew Bible, and not reading it w godless christological pagan lense

[@curly_dock]

@@fidelcatsro6948 So I suspect you wouldn't credit the New Testament as being authoritative, but Matthew uses the word "προσεκύνησαν" on these occasions: 2:11, 14:33, 28:9, 28:17. Here, men "worship" him, and he doesn't rebuke them for doing so.

[@mrkurdi22]

Is William a Jew who became a Christian and reverted or was he born into a Christian family before he walked away?

[@debrapaulino918]

He was raised in a Christian family and his father a minister and now a Messianic one.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

he was a staunch Christian who realized later that Man worship and Trinity didnt make sense,..

[@jasonpurnell4118]

Exactly it opposes Christian theology and violates free choice given by Hashem .

[@stans1058]

This not so much a prayer as an outline on how to structure your prayers. True it does seem at odds on how sins are forgiven as compared to the NT.

[@locovaldezakarichardmccart843]

The solid principle of spiritual wisdom is you should forgive others on a personal level and should also enjoy the same. "Can we all just get along?" Rodney King asked. The answer is, we can but many don't adhere to principles of The Lord's Prayer.

[@dariorosado7419]

Sorry but you are twisting the Lord’s Prayer... question: What dates and time are you both live so I can add some inputs about this and other topics.

[@Room-gf7vy]

Why wait? Clear it up right here!

[@half-galician2954]

YOu dont even speak hebrew. what a joke you christian board posters are. Give your pagan book, and your man /god. REPENT before its too late. You break the first commandment.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

nope it is christians who thwarthed teaching of prophet jesus peace be upon him...they turned jesus in to an idol

[@half-galician2954]

@@fidelcatsro6948 what did he teach that wasnt aready in the torah? to us he is no prophet either. sorry friend

[@dariorosado7419]

@@fidelcatsro6948 I agree about Christian’s, that I won’t denied. However, we are talking about the messiah, and his time on earth. Whatever Constantine did or not with the original writings of Paul is the main question that we all should search for.

[@wholovesyababy5574]

If you are Jewish and a close non-Jewish friend dies, you can't go to the funeral?

[@shira1270]

Heartless and cruel seems to me. Jewish ppl stopped talking to me because I helped some Messianics. I am still the same person I was before I mentioned it to them.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@half-galician2954]

@@shira1270 What else should they put up with? and still be required to talk to you. If you help messianics you are aiding and abbeting FRAUD. They showed some judgement. If you want emotional license to do whatever you want, become a christian

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Their christian services have elements of Shirk ( making partners with God Almighty) even muslims are not encouraged to attend formally..Jews and Muslims have a strong understanding of Tauheed (oneness of God Almighty)

[@shira1270]

Keep the religion of hate then wonder why people don’t like you? Yeah and oh by the way let a person die if they can’t prove they are an Orthodox Jew! Wow! Very Torah Observant! It’s unbelievable! No wonder so many secular Jews they can’t rise to the required level of hate!

[@shira1270]

Between the person as such and the sinner in him, "As I live, saith the Lord, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live" (Ezek. 33:11). One must assist even one's enemy in transporting his burden (Ex. 13:5) for otherwise "he may tarry [by the wayside]" and endanger his life (BM 32b; Pes. 113b). Hate is against Torah!

[@milkamilosevic9626]

🌞♥️🌞

[@minketheodora]

I gues the simple minded man, will interpretate the quote wrongly,. Oh, The Lord leads us into temptations? No, it says; and lead us not into temptations,. means; keep us out of it,. Lead us, to not be tempted,.

[@locovaldezakarichardmccart843]

Maybe the death penalty is rare due to A. there is the letter of the LAW but also the spirit of the LAW? and related, B. There is Grace, Mercy & Charity to apply. I believe that JESUS knows, understands and loves us while we do poorly at that.

[@paulawallace8784]

The Moshiach of the Bible Dies for No one, he Atones for No one's sins, he is Not born of a Virgin, he is Not the Son of Gd, he is Not Gd in the flesh, he is Not a Sacrificial Resurrecting demigod who dies for the People, as all those are PAGAN CONCEPTS derived from PAGAN MYTH, Not the Bible/Judaism. The Pagan Greco Roman christos Jesus is but a composite of a myriad of Greco Roman Man Made Idols, PERSEUS THE VIRTUOUS VIRGIN BORN DEMIGOD, DIONYSUS THE WATER INTO WINE MIRACLE MAKING IDOL and MITHRAS THE DYING RESURRECTING IDOL who dies for the People, whose Devotees ATE OF THE FLESH AND DRANK OF THE BLOOD, like his sidekick the Devil and his lake of fire, they are but 2 characters found only in the Greek Tall Tales of Man and Joe Smith Jr.'s Book of Mormon, NOT the Bible/Judaism.

[@lizwood3514]

Rabbi Tovia does not understand anything about Jesus because he's not experienced the power. He's never been a Great High Priest passing beyond the veil and into the presence of God. You have to understand the power and presence of God, the Shekinah Glory, the Holy Spirit, to fully understand Jesus, Christianity and even the Dead Sea Scrolls. There are various moves that occur concerning the development of Christianity: 1) From Essenism where the law and the prophets regulate life in the first covenant which was exclusively Jewish 2) then John the Baptist comes: "the law and the prophets are in effect until John comes then it is Kingdom living" Luke 16:16 but "not one dot or iota will pass from the law until heaven and earth pass away" Luke 16:17. Now the new covenant begins where regulation is by kingdom living and the power of the Holy Spirit not the law and the prophets (though of course they are still relevant on earth). This is Jesus's ministry on earth. Unfortunately, John the Baptist, who was probably the other messiah was executed. There were two messiahs in the Dead Sea Scrolls possibly. The messiah of Aaron and the messiah of Israel. The next progression is 3) Jesus dies and goes to the right hand of the Father to send the power upon his apostles including eventually St. Paul who teaches under the power of the Holy Spirit about Christology. Christology is beyond the veil theology in the presence of God where everything is timeless (no entropy or arrow of time), spiritual (no solid matter) and therefore everything is complete now, paradoxically. It's a case of stepping back into the Garden of Eden, the Holy of Holies, into the heavenlies and anchoring yourself in the Shekinah Glory. It's the world to come or kingdom come which is paradoxically now.

[@tugatgalut]

כתוב את השם שלי באמזון, אז תדע מי הוא 🙏

[@minketheodora]

Yeah, there is a lot of discussion about 'lead us not into temptation", what is said, is; help us, protect us, to not go into temptation,. it is that simple,. so, you have a lot turmoil again, about nothing at all, you interpretate some issues just wrongly,.

[@marybaumer9812]

Our Father Mother, Who are above and within, hallowed be Thine name in twofold trinity, in wisdom, love and equity. Thy kingdom come to all. Thy will be done as in heaven so on earth. Give us day by day to take part in Thy holy bread. And the fruit of thy living Vine. Has thou forgives us our trespasses so may we forgive others their trespasses. shew upon us Thy goodness and upon others we may shew the same. In the hour of temptation, deliver us from evil. This is the Our Father in the Gospel of the Twelve.

[@ruthietaylor8756]

Idolatry

[@marybaumer9812]

@@ruthietaylor8756 it's how the Lord prayer is in gospel of the twelve, the Catholic Church had hidden. And no, not idolatry, I believe He is referring to no gender. For some reason you must have felt He was talking about His mother which all born again christian feel is either evil or equal to all other women even though she gave birth to God the Son. I know that I am definitely not equal to the woman who had an immaculate, virgin birth of Jesus but for some reason some men and women do.

[@heidivernathorbjornsen475]

Rabbi , even Yeshua said to pray to only YHWH, The Eternal Father - The Lords Prayer is an example . I agree with you & find it odd anyone would go to a mediator. I believe in the mercy & love of HaShem - that he would want me to come only to him in humility & honesty. He can forgive any sin & it bothers me people have come up with formulas & they make it out he is not all powerful to do as he feels best. I can trust him & his judgments & to fulfill why he made me his child . This has made me very unpopular amongst former Christian friends & it’s really distressing that they preach I am doomed & without God without going through, Yeshua first -even he taught us his father was the one to go to & place our faith in . Matthew 6 teaches this. Apostle Paul teaches many things contradictory to Yeshua & it’s really amazing how people do not see this that treasure his teachings - based many times on Torah- which they want to eliminate too as a guiding force of instruction. I do believe I might be a Jewish soul & it’s true I have various names in my Norwegian family that points to this - so, maybe this is too why since a child I turned to only , HaShem. What matters though is my heart belongs to him. Thank you for your info & Shalom

[@half-galician2954]

What he said that's "true isn't new, and anything new (I am the light and the way) isn't true.' You cant give up divinity of jesus and do the yeshua shtick, Without divinity/paganism he is Nothing to us, and has nothing to teach us. stop defiling this chat w a hate religion founded in his name

[@curly_dock]

The Rabbi's misunderstanding around 9:00 about forgiveness and atonement is not uncommon. He says that Christ's words here are at odds with St. Paul's understanding of atonement. This is not so. Christians will recognize that Christ's work on the Cross is the only sufficient atonement. So how do we understand "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"? The answer is in some of Christ's last words: "forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do." "Our" work of forgiving others, as Christians, is not really "ours" at all. "My" forgiving someone else avails me nothing. Rather, the extent to which I have allowed Christ to conform me into his image is the extent to which I can forgive another man. But it is ultimately not "me" forgiving anyone, but me allowing Christ to forgive through me. As Christians, we are grafted into the ultimate act of forgiveness of the Passion.

[@asherberman]

Actually as xtians you fall under the enemies spell Xtianity: littered with emotional experiences You’re going to hell forever if you don’t do it Rome’s way Well it’s ok here is baby Jebus to help you out Meanwhile in the sacred texts you rely on Exodus 20 2"I am the Lord, your God, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3You shall not have the gods of others in My presence. Deuteronomy 4 15And you shall watch yourselves very well, for you did not see any image on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of the fire. 16Lest you become corrupt and make for yourselves a graven image, the representation of any form, the likeness of male or female, Notice the beginning of verse 15 “ and you shall watch yourselves very well” At this point yes it is a commandment , G-d is getting very personal Deuteronomy 4 35You have been shown, in order to know that the Lord He is God; there is none else besides Him. Isn’t this like one of about 50 places where G-d could have mentioned this Roman idea of a guy on a cross to save you ???? Isaiah 43 10"You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and My servant whom I chose," in order that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be. 11I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.

[@curly_dock]

@@asherberman Yeah, I mean Christians don't dispute any of those references you've given. God the Father and the Logos share a perfect unity of essence. There is only one God. In fact, it was a common tenet of the Hebrew religion in the Second Temple Period (prior to and apart from Christianity) that the One True God existed in a multiplicity of Divine Persons. This position was only formally suppressed in light of the rise of Christianity.

[@half-galician2954]

@@curly_dock Hindus claim to be monotheists, and its a claim i find MORE valid than Trinitarians. Trinatarianims is worse than base idolatry. YOu claim to believe in God, but his unity doesnt suffice, you invent a nonsense word 'Tri -Unity' or Trinity. Prima Facae absurd. At long last how do you dare call yourself a monotheist. ANY DIVISION of god IS ODIOUS, and disgusting. Stop saying 'Christ'. bro, just say 'god' like you believe as an IDOLATER. with respect, friend, its not personal, but your christian jargon, is so odious and pagan and idolatrous, it defiled you and all of us in this chat. Protect your neshama, avoid this soul destroying 'avoda zara'. Repent. Turn to Hashem , ALONE.

[@debrapaulino918]

@@curly_dock" found in the multiplicity of divine persons?" Like Krishna, Buddha, ... +29 besides them?

[@thomas5585]

But why pray to be forgiven if you were already forgiven at Calvary?

[@tongakhan230]

Is the Lord's prayer Jewish? How can it be. The Jewish system was replaced by the New Convenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

[@saul2491]

Come on tonga. Not only do we disagree on what newncivenant means jeremiahb31: 33 shows it hasn't happened yet. Wenstill have to teach our neighbour. We know very well we need to do oir motzvot. Torah and mitzvit is why we are still here after 3890 years and we are not ever changing it. There is a reason why law after law ends with being told this is an eternal statute. This is forever. For all your generations. G-d didn't have to keep adding that last part. And read verse jeremiah 31:35 you will see even after newbl covenant we will be observing all the law as still Never going to be interested in your false religion or jesus no matter what you say or which of our texts you misquote

[@tongakhan230]

@@saul2491 : The laws given through Moses were ONLY for the nation of Israel. Psalms 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob, His regulations and judgments to Israel. 20 He has not done so WITH ANY OTHER NATION; They know nothing about his judgments. Jeremiah's prophecy about the New Covenant has nothing to do with the natural nation of Israel (if anything still remains of it). It is to do with people from all nations. Jeremiah 31:33 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put MY LAW WITHIN THEM, and IN THEIR HEART I WILL WRITE IT. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.” Note that this is NOT about the natural Israelites. There won't be any written laws. 'I will become their God'. Jehovah was already Israel's God. God was talking about a NEW PEOPLE whom he will be God to. Terms like Israel, Jerusalem, had a spiritual prophetic meaning. This may help. Ezekiel 34:23 I will raise up one shepherd over them, MY SERVANT DAVID, and he will feed them. He himself will feed them and become their shepherd. 24 And I, Jehovah, WILL BECOME THEIR GOD, and MY SERVANT DAVID A CHIEFTAIN AMONG THEM. I myself, Jehovah, have spoken. This prophecy was written long after King David had died and been buried. This was talking about the greater David. who turned out to be Jesus, the Christ. Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, A MAN, CHRIST JESUS, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom FOR ALL. Remember this prophecy given to Abraham. Genesis 22:18 And by means of your offspring ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice.’” Hope this helps.

[@saul2491]

@@tongakhan230 both are talking about the messiah and it hasn't happened yet and jesus is not involved at all. Why are christians so clueless? Why? Nothing from christians ever help. You are the last people to be helping out with scripture. Your whole religion is false

[@tongakhan230]

@@saul2491 : The babel of Churches have nothing to do with Jesus. Many make the false assumption that the churches are spokesmen for Jesus. They are not. They are the ones Jesus said he would: (Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ God has a people today as promised at Micah 4:1-5. True worship has been RESTORED in these last days. Worshipers are being gathered from ALL NATIONS (Micah 4:2). They are Jesus' DICIPLES (John 13:35). Not his worshipers as believers in some mysterious trinity are. If one wants to observe who these True Worshipers of the ONE TRUE GOD are, type 'JW Conventions' in KZbin and observe these happy people who are associated with the New Covenant. Jesus is their leader directing them in carrying out God's Will. Matthew 23:10 Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. I too am now associated with those in the New Covenant.

[@sulongenjop7436]

The Lord Prayer is a divine prayer taught by Jesus to be recited all the time by his followers. Jesus taught us how to pray and he started the prayer by "Our Father who art in Heaven....." and why not he said "Jesus our Lord on earth...." Jesus taught the Lord Prayer because he knew the "Our Father" is also referred to himself.

[@curly_dock]

56:00 Rabbi asks Christians to reconcile Isaiah 27:9 with Christ's work on the Cross. It is exactly this destruction to which Christ refers when, from the Cross, he utters "it is finished."

[@half-galician2954]

If only it was finished. Instead we got a hate book called the NT. Nothing Godly about it. Give up your Paulianity, turn to the God of Israe. No games w 'yeshua' this or that, fooling no one, and not fooling God. You want to have halfway between Paulianity and Truth. Sorry. You can't love god halfway. Give up your human worship crutch, your graven image, your male female deity (you can play unitarian, but fooling no one)

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Christians are better off treating Jesus as a prophet and stop worshipping anything else except God alone!

[@thenazareneperspective2734]

The Nazarenes and Ebionites (the original Jewish Jesus followers), never preached that Jesus was an atonement sacrifice, nor a sin sacrifice, nor a Passover sacrifice. If they did not preach it, then they never heard of it or believe it. It is purely a Pauline invention. In fact, the Nazarene Jews never practiced "blood" sacrifices of any kind...According to Peter, Jesus came to eliminate the "blood" sacrificial system so why would he be a "blood" sacrifice if he came to eliminate the "blood sacrificial system", replacing them with water baptism for the remission of sins (instead of sacrifices).

[@shira1270]

That’s a fascinating view. Thank you for sharing. I think to research more on the subject of Nazarenes.

[@thenazareneperspective2734]

@@shira1270 What is interesting about the Nazarenes/Ebionites is that Pauline Christianity has painted a false picture of Jesus, and Judaism has bought into it. The Rabbi is right to criticize Pauline Christianity but fails to realize that Pauline Christianity is not Nazarene Judaism. The info is out there, you just have to dig for it. Nazarene Judaism has been suppressed for 1800 years by both Christianity and Judaism for a couple of reasons.

[@curly_dock]

@@thenazareneperspective2734 Where and how do modern Nazarenes worship?

[@thenazareneperspective2734]

@@curly_dock Generally, modern Nazarenes are associated with Pauline Christianity and are Nazarenes in name only. If they are Pauliists, then they have nothing in common with the ancient Nazarenes. The doctrines are completely different. Modern Nazarenes are Paulinists, and the ancient Nazarenes are Jews. Modern folks who believe in the doctrines of the ancient Nazarenes are few and far between these days.

[@thenazareneperspective2734]

@@curly_dock Forgot to comment about the worship. You don't need a church or a synagogue to worship God. You worship God by obeying his will no matter where you are or who you are with.

[@k.k.5046]

What an orthodox person could say to Messianic Rabbi who knows Hebrew, English and Greek ? (probably nothink)

[@samworthy1257]

We would say they are just a member of the most deceptive christian denomination that was built just to target Jews. They would see our kippah and hear that from us and know they need to find a more vulnerable less learned jew to try target

[@samworthy1257]

Or they would waste our time and then get frustrated when any proof texts or arguments they try use do not work and get debunked easily. Christianity cannot be defended when speaking to a learned jew.

[@locovaldezakarichardmccart843]

We are being offered salvation as opposed to temptation to sin. Of course, GOD will not tempt us towards evil.

[@Fred63205]

Keep reading 👍you'll get there

[@asherberman]

Deuteronomy 4 35You have been shown, in order to know that the Lord He is God; there is none else besides Him. Isaiah 43 10"You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and My servant whom I chose," in order that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be. 11I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.

[@paulawallace8784]

Gd alone is Savior, there is no other besides HIM!

[@debrapaulino918]

@@goldengun9970 Perhaps emotional repair by implementing an emotional barrier against sin. It's not like it doesn't do people any good. It did me in 1982 and that's the point. The problem is it's all over the place. Either you're legalistic to some or not legal enough to others. Each to their own interpretations and if you don't agree with someone's liberty to sin then you're judgemental.

[@littleandre4957]

No, it's rabbinic.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

I am the Above All. I am the God of Creation and also the God of Destruction. I am the embodiment of Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, and no words or thoughts can measure my true form or nature. While Yahweh says He Is What He Is, I Am What I Am Not, for I transcend Being. I am Allah, the One and only True God. ALLAH TO MUHAMMAD Allah, also known as The God, is the Supreme Deity in the Islamic religion, known by 99 Names, each one being a quality of God. Allah is also one of the Avatars of Yesh, possibly being one of the most powerful primordial entities in all of creation. In the English language, the word generally refers to God in Islam. The word is thought to be derived by contraction from al-ilāh, which means "the god", and is linguistically related to El (Elohim) and Elah, the Hebrew and Aramaic words for God.

[@thomasprice8127]

The Holy Spirit Father is not Jewish or any other belief. The Lord's prayer is to the Father. He's the standard for all. His begotten Son was a Jew from the tribe of Judah. Before the Son came in the flesh, He was the visible image of the invisible Father who is the Holy Spirit, and the visible image is just as eternal as the Father. Colossians 1 :15-20. This visible image was with the Father before the foundation of the earth was laid. This can be seen in John 1:1-18 and John 17:5.

[@half-galician2954]

Fathers, Sons, good novel by Turgenev. Disgusting /odious/pagan when discussing Hashem. To a Jew, we dont need to hear anything past that to be revolted honestly. In a way Islamic Theology, not behavior does. That Jesus existed as a physical image before earth was made is now Full pagan multi deity. all the tertulians, michael browns, vatican councils and else can undo this repulsive TriUnity monstrosity. We dont need to go any further really. But Rabbi Singer for the sake of Hashem seeking neshamas (souls), helps them wake from their spiritual nightmare of X'ian idolatry strapped to a Hebrew Bible. Catholics were smart to give up prosletizing Jews. They know they have nothing. x 'ian Bible Thumpers realizing they have nothing too now w Rabbi Singer going through their hate book.

[@dariorosado7419]

You are just taking these passage out of contest. Period.

[@half-galician2954]

Sure. you take the passage 'NO other gods before me' 'No graven images' 'besides me there '. Give up your trinity idolatry and stop accusing people who know WORLDS more than you, and just be quiet and repent. You know NO hebrew, no torah, you worship a 3 pronged idol. STOP. REPENT

[@fidelcatsro6948]

yes he did put the veses out of contest and challenge by any christian and the lords prayer has successfully nullified trinity and dualism into the rubbish bin, Takbeer!!

[@half-galician2954]

@@nccognito2324 You are stuck on ERROR 101, 'let US make man',,,dude, Hebrew like in english uses a 'royal we' ever hear a brit say 'would make us some tea',,,you are so unimpressive with all you cited, cause its obvious you dont read or speak hebrew. You are a pagan. There are nice pagans, perhaps you are one of them. THree in one, pre existing in the eternal past, its like science fiction to be honest. It reaks of idolatry. when you smell rancid meat you dont even need to check the expiration date. Im not trying to persuade you, you are lost to Paulianity and Trinitarian pagan idolatry. i would just recommend you do the other noahide laws, and we trust in the mercy and love of Hashem. Your beliefs offend Hashem, repent

[@dariorosado7419]

@@fidelcatsro6948 it all depends who you serve and what is being reveal to you. There is nothing wrong with this prayer, only people who are blind in the heart and the lack of understanding will assume things like it.

[@thenazareneperspective2734]

I'm sorry, I didn't grab why Jesus' generic prayer template wasn't a Jewish type of prayer? Jesus prays to the Father, and he encourages others to pray to God. Jesus did not demand that people pray to himself. That would have been unthinkable. Jesus prays "that the kingdom will come" (obviously the Messianic Kingdom age). Jesus prays that God's "will be done on earth as it is in heaven", not "my will be done". (Again for the Messianic Age. Is this not a Jewish wish as well?). Jesus prays to God to "give us this day our daily bread" (Nazarenes were vegetarians who lived on pot-herbs, olives, bread, salt, and water)...nothing pagan there, the wandering Israelites lived on manna and water for 40 years? (Lord, provide us each day, everything to sustain us) Jesus prays for God to "forgive us our sins" (as we should forgive those who do us wrong). How is this wrong? Cannot Jews forgive people who do them wrong? Or, is it only God who can forgive sins? (Lord, forgive me of my sins, as I should forgive those who do me wrong) Jesus prays to God to "not "lead" us into temptation". In this, the Rabbi may be a little disingenuous. He should know that it should be "keep" us from temptation. (Lord, keep us from being tempted) Jesus continues, but "deliver us from evil". Meaning, that if we are tempted, give us the way out. (Lord, keep us from being tempted, but if we are tempted, help us to overcome the temptation). Jesus continues, "for Yours is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, forever". What Jew would not pray that? I suspect if Jesus never had existed and that Bob Mousekiwitz had prayed that prayer instead of Jesus, the Rabbi would have no problem with it? I could be wrong. Again I ask...what part of the prayer is not Jewish, or a Jew won't pray?

[@debrapaulino918]

About G-d keeping us from sin. The XT declares that we are led into sin by our own desires because we have free will to sin. This G-d does not "keep" us from sinning as that would be a violation of our free choice. The prayer says do not LEAD us into sin so it's not your prerogative to say BUT this is what it really means. You're undone. Your interpretation of "keep" us from sin asks G-d to violate our gift of choice. Shalom.

[@debrapaulino918]

Deliver us by providing a way out. The way out is by doing a 180. Damage done is damage done and is worked through not out of. Judaism is truth justice mercy. Mercy wasn't invented by JC and neither was truth and justice. Don't flip the he didn't come to change the law because he did and has nothing to do with Paul. Learn halacha and you will figure it out.

[@debrapaulino918]

Human sacrifice is an abomination that Torah began ending. I had one man say but it's not literal. Seriously? You think it was 2000 yrs ago. I asked him what was it then? Haven't seen him lately. We're going to get you straightened out. You come here with an aim to teach when your need is to learn.

[@debrapaulino918]

Everyone else does lots better than I do with Scripture. I have common sense and I give it straight at you.

[@debrapaulino918]

What part of the prayer isn't Jewish? First it starts from the mouth of a walking talking flesh covered idol made in man's image that is prohibited by Torah. The Rabbis who haven't left that instruction are last men standing as the descendants of Joshua and Caleb and their men. Selah. Glory to the Most High G-d forever! Away with your deceived intellectual and emotional bias! No more!

[@minketheodora]

You are so sure about yourself, while you are just wrong,. Jezus gave the Lords prayer, before He went to the Cross, ,. You have a very questionable habbit, to want to make good look evil and evil good,. The Lords prayer is in no way related to satan,. It is pure Light and a juwel of revelational glory,. Thank you so much.