The Unprotected Class, PLUS reaction to the Pakman debate | Will Cain Show

🎙️ Story #1: Your reaction to Will's debate with liberal KZbinr David Pakman of The David Packman Show.
🎙️ Story #2: A conversation with the author of The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart and Senior Fellow at the Claremont Institute , Jeremy Carl.
🎙️ Story #3: Will’s critique of his performance, where he failed and where he succeeded in the debate with David Pakman.
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[@stevenjamison5896]

Pakman is very intelligent. Will was in over his head on this one.

[@0Saggy.Naggy0]

Agreed. Can’t say that Pakman came in hot. Pakman came in as himself.

[@TimelessFoodTravels]

You got that right. Will needs to bring more facts under his belt, besides "talking points"

[@progessXperfection]

Agreed. It was an amazing interview to watch however, not having specifics hurt Will on that one.

[@CombatMosquitoTrainer]

Tbf to Will, he's more used to debating fox news people and the maga. Not exactly going to hone your skills with that lot.

[@oceanbnd]

He's not intelligent. He likes to think he's intelligent. He hasn't debated Vivek Ramaswamy yet. Vivek would wipe the floor with him.

[@robertnobles8189]

Excuses. Pakman was the better debater AND had the facts. Cain just had nothing of substance.

[@mph650]

Pakman IS a good debater in a smug kind of way. However, very telling that he couldn’t say “Biden taking brain enhancing drugs ISN’T absurd”

[@slycarlsolo]

What facts?

[@robertnobles8189]

@@slycarlsolo facts: - Obama and Biden are criticized by the right for using teleprompters, but Trump freezes for 35 seconds when his teleprompter glitches and he is supposed to be better cognitively than Biden? - Trump’s NRA audience was NOT 107k. It was 15k. - Biden shows appropriate aging for an 80 year old, while Trump’s decline is accelerating and shows signs of parafaxsia. - The right sets the bar very low for Biden and when Biden exceeds expectations, they accuse him of drug use, but can’t cite any drug related to the side effects they claim. Cain suggests adderall, riddlin, and provijal, and Pakman shows the alleged side effects don’t line up. - Cognitive ability isn’t showing up as a major concern about Biden in polling of independent voters. - Trump abandoned principals of conservatism and democracy and threatens retribution against countries, media outlets, and political enemies regardless of their policy positions. He has embraced authoritarianism. - Trump has moved the GOP platform from pro-life adherence to “whatever” if it gets him reelected. - Cain says Democrats are “unmoored” socially but Pakman cites numerous successful capitalist countries who long embraced social liberalism and secular humanism. - Cohen’s story is corroborated by all the documents and by 12 out of 13 witnesses presented in court.

[@joshb2228]

@@mph650thats just fodder, thats like saying trump could be doing blow off hookers asses at mar a largo. Could be true, but a ludicrous what if until evidence is provided

[@gsp3428]

everyone will always side with their tribe.

[@i_noah_guy18]

Independent voter here - both men are absolute geriatrics - absolutely would vote for Biden over Trump though. Rather have someone who picks good people rather than an unhinged cabinet.

[@Runny117]

it's unfortunate that these are our choices, but it's the easiest choice ever as you said

[@frikster5176]

How many wars under Trump's watch? 0.....How many wars under Biden's watch? 2.....There is a reason for that

[@listlessvessels5]

Pakman took Cain to the woodshed now he's trying t clean up on aisle 4!

[@sunshinehoward9649]

LOL you didn't even watch it liar. ffs you did not watch it. if you had, you'd posted like you do normally. you didn't so you didn't watch. one day I hope your parents can teach you lying is a bad thing and you will pay dearly for it. Facts of life listless. learn them.

[@grantdevries8648]

Where you succeeded in your debate is easy , no where

[@magicsaint]

Cain is not on the same level as David when it comes to debates. Cain came as so weak when he wanted to dismiss David's facts on inviting professionals to decipher the behavior of Trump and Biden by simply stating he hasn't watched Davids's shows. Then why the fck invite David to debate if you know nothing?!!

[@grantdevries8648]

You didn't let truth and facts get in the way of your opinions will, so in that regard, you did fantastic. You looked like an idiot but you stuck to your non backed opinions for the entire interview, so good job

[@TimelessFoodTravels]

My sentiments exactly!

[@mybighandle]

😂😂😂👍🏽

[@mph650]

Biden taking brain enhancing drugs ISN’T absurd. Do you agree with that statement?l

[@smcampanella04]

Will was way over his head and Pakman just embarrassed him.

[@mph650]

Pakman is a bit smug for my liking. Very telling that he couldn’t say “Biden taking brain enhancing drugs ISN’T absurd.”

[@Fstate]

@@mph650very telling that the drug claim is made by the right when no such substance exists when evaluating the claim for validity. If I were on the right I would quit shining light on this fabricated claim since the substance doesn’t exist

[@mph650]

@@Fstate nicotine, phenylpiracetam, adderall, Ritalin, lions mane, bacopa, ginkgo, dopamine, adrenaline, Nueriva, and plenty others. And any combination. It’s not absurd.

[@michaelsassone7323]

I’m willing to bet that you won’t have David back on your show again…..you are clearly not in the same league. Seriously doubt you want to get embarrassed again.

[@0Saggy.Naggy0]

Pakman knows his stuff. It seems to me that Cain is trying to give excuses as to why his arguments fell flat.

[@DinkWhit]

David won this debate by far! He’s a smart dude!

[@brg1969]

David Pakmam is a punk

[@listlessvessels5]

David may be smarter than Will but he didn't win the discussion because he's smarter but because he's right. If Will argued the sun rose in the west and Pakman argued the sun rises in the east, then Pakman would win because the facts are on his side and everyone can see with their own eyes that the sun does in fact rise in the east. (OK, technically the sun is stationary and the Earth rotates)

[@TevinSole]

David is not smart at all, he lacks common sense.

[@lisal9829]

@@TevinSole Please. You obviously did not listen to a thing he said. Common sense to me, is when there has been no concrete evidence, in 4 years, to prove that the 2020 election was rigged..and Trump followers still say they think so..common sense to me says they are either delusional or in a kult. David provided plenty of facts to support what he said. YOU just did not want to admit the truth.

[@skillcoiler]

@@TevinSole I watched as much of this debate as I could not really a fan of David and literally never heard of this guy until seeing the debate pop in my suggestions.... But David TROUNCED him in the debate. It is why he needs to come back to the channel and lie to the audience and say well it wasn't really a debate..... so I didn't really lose it...

[@slycarlsolo]

Declaring someone is right does not prove anything. Having opinions on the rising sun does not offer any insight to this conversation.

[@Fstate]

@@TevinSoleDavid has enough common sense to refute a claim that Biden’s on drug “x” when the drug that would produce the effects the right claims doesn’t exist. This is why the right wants science to be fake. It keeps debunking their fabricated narratives

[@samm9017]

Melania could take the stand and end this trial once and for all. 😎🇺🇸

[@MN-eo4ue]

Will is bad at debating..and Packman had facts to back his assertions up

[@slycarlsolo]

What facts?

[@crazyfool4325]

​@@slycarlsolothe facts are everywhere buddy you just need to get out of your fox news bubble.

[@slycarlsolo]

@@crazyfool4325 just give me a starting point because when I looked into the Nordic country data, I don't see what people like Packman is trying to convey. Also assuming that someone only lives in a fox bubble is insincere.

[@marieb6813]

Need more shows like this. It’s ok to agree to disagree.

[@LateNightHalo]

Pakman did a fantastic job of dissecting a lot of the poor faith right wing talking points. I hope he is invited back since a bit of critical thinking would be nice on Fox

[@Audiomainia2310]

Well I disagree with what Will is saying that David came in hot / completely different from the fact that David came in with facts and sometimes debating facts are more difficult for one side than the other. I have watched David for many years, and the one thing I can say is he is ecumenable during his debates and many times affords the other side more time to clarify what they're saying. However David is fact-based and that can be intimidating for some. It can also be misconstrued.

[@pfeiferwithap]

Republicans are always intimidated by facts

[@fancyoo8670]

Will Cain is too closed minded.. lol. The best was. Gosh you want specifics. I just want to throw random BS to confuse the ignorant base that just parrots our propaganda. Lol😂😂😂

[@shadowlouise]

I noticed that, too. The right-wing proves every day that they hate facts and logic. Now this Clown Cain voices his objection to "specifics." Do yourself a favor, Will. Don't face off with Pakman again until he's in his 80's, or until you are taking whatever drug President Biden is on.

[@TexasPoker40]

Cain seems like a nice guy, but he’s clearly not as well spoken or as informed as David.

[@erickawilliams6665]

Will is a liar and David took you to school.

[@TimelessFoodTravels]

One side prefers to rely on uneducated guesses and FEELINGS instead of SPECIFIC FACTS. Nice one.

[@dxmemxpac]

Will - love your show and am a huge fan but just let this Pakman debate fade away. He embarrassed and exposed you - the second you said not to get into specifics you were sunk.

[@mph650]

Well why don’t we ask the question. Is Biden taking brain enhancing drugs absurd?

[@aries8910]

While this Will Cain guy doesn’t seem too up to speed w politics, he does however seem like a 10/10 barbecue invite. Strong dad vibes. Someone get this man a grill and some New Balances.

[@pfeiferwithap]

take the L, Will

[@jimmieleepatterson]

The shortest post happens to the best

[@AyeCarumba221]

Why didn’t trump take the stand as he said he would? You people need to ask questions like this. Maybe because he would have had to admit under oath that he was lying????

[@crisdelgadillo1887]

A couple of reasons. First, he didn't need to as the prosecutor did not prove his case and as of yet has not even shown there was a crime committed, other than Cohen stealing from Trump. Second, this "judge" is so biased that he won't let the defense witness even speak, yet he allows Stormy to speak all kinds of nonsense stuff that has nothing to do about this case. He also didn't allow the defense to bring in an expert witness.

[@crisdelgadillo1887]

Because the prosecutor did NOT prove his fake case and the "judge" is so biased Trump isn't getting fair due process.

[@frikster5176]

How many wars under Trump's watch? 0.....How many wars under Biden's watch? 2.....There is a reason for that

[@joe19912]

Kudos to Will for being brave enough to actually debate. So many talk shows fling poo and hide. Would you consider Emma Vigland? She was recently on Tim Poole and is a nice, calm person.

[@AndreaDoesYoga]

"An insightful debate, much to ponder."

[@ricardoacain1391]

I would liken the debate to cult intervention.

[@joshb2228]

Saying the 80’s was on the right track to equality when the LAPD existed is insane

[@cassandramasters4662]

Regarding the polls about Biden's mental wellbeing; Will and David were talking about polls among INDEPENDENT voters in the original vid. Here Will is showing polls from the general public. Whether accidental or intentional, it proves Will is way out of his league here. But thank you for at least talking honestly with David, we do need more conservatives like you who are willing to have a conversation!

[@Fstate]

It’s Fox News of course he is intentionally misleading the viewers. It Fox’s primary tool

[@jamesmanuel6415]

Pakman owned you. Have him back to gain some ground.

[@skillcoiler]

Lol it was not a real debate because I got completely hosed...... is not a good reason to not call it a debate.

[@stephengoldberg871]

I searched your name bc I subscribe to DPS and wanted to compliment you personally. I don't agree with you politically, but I think this was an EXCELLENT showing of civil discourse. I wish we would all engage each other with the same level of respect that you two showed each other. Thank you for serving as a model for what could be.

[@hydril1537]

It's ok to be American

[@Soy_Bomb]

Yeah as long as we all agree it's a dystopian hellscape one day because Biden is potus and not another day when rump is potus !

[@johnbrennan4449]

yet better to simply be a member of the human race, because human values > American values.

[@johnbrennan4449]

yet much better to be a member of the human race, because human values > American values. capitalism only benefits a small % of the population.

[@TheSilentkoala]

Will, I’m a fan of yours but you got completely eviscerated by David. It was hard to watch

[@AJ-hc5zo]

Ah yes, Will cain is for Laissez-faire economics AND protectionism (e.g., tariffs on China). Completely incoherent positions, just repeating buzzwords.

[@Dan-is2je]

Yeah cuz we should be owned by China like the DNC and many Republicans... Our "leaders" are easily corrupted $$$, China's Communist Party officials are not.

[@slycarlsolo]

Including e.g. in declaring a buzzword is something

[@AJ-hc5zo]

@@slycarlsolo It’s an exact example of a protectionist policy he mentioned. I’m guessing you got bad grades in English class

[@MichaelJones-xx6xx]

Will Cain is the exception and not the rule, in regards to the standard Fox host. Thus, I understand David's initial approach to the interview. I appreciated Cain's decorum and seemingly "Good Faith" attitude. That is not something to be expected from the Fox&Friends, MAGA side of the aisle....

[@0Saggy.Naggy0]

Agreed and well said.

[@jimmieleepatterson]

Dave was willing to concede whatever argument Will had made, but Cain couldn't or wouldn't reciprocate. The sad thing is Dave came with facts

[@frikster5176]

Remember when CNN and MSNBC believed Jesse Smollette.....They loved it because the story was about RACE.....CNN favorite subject but it turned out the story was a lie Even Fox & Friends could tell it was a lie.......But not CNN......Great job CNN

[@samm9017]

Why does Melania live in a separate bedroom from Trump? 👈😂😂😂

[@lakepal7912]

Who cares

[@Beatrix7004]

good answer.

[@dev3328]

None of your business. Many couple do this. It not a big deal.

[@Beatrix7004]

@@dev3328 You are So right!! He’s a big man and looks like a guy that would snore lol. 😂. What people should be focused on is that these people went through her personal items and also their son’s belongings. Just think what you had when you were 18 that maybe you wouldn’t want someone to see. But isn’t it funny when Ashley Biden’s diary was found and said Resident Biden was taking showers with his 12 year old that was an invasion of privacy.

[@samm9017]

@@lakepal7912 certainly you do, judging from not being able to help yourself from responding. 😎

[@rhymingoz]

Funny how the comments are so different on David’s show…

[@kevinarzola4781]

Kind of the same

[@pfeiferwithap]

They’re not

[@rhymingoz]

@@pfeiferwithap they are. His cronies saying he stuck it to david

[@pfeiferwithap]

11:55 “it wasn’t a real debate” that’s weird, you should look at what you titled this video

[@oceanbnd]

You aren't what I would consider a debater. David needs to debate Vivek Ramaswamy if that's what he's after. Vivek will wipe the floor with him. He's the guy that I'd like to see debating David.

[@putyourshirtbackon1658]

I really appreciated the discussion between Will Cain and David Pakman. I thought both did well. I thought both articulated their positions well.

[@shadowlouise]

putyourshirtbackon, Please reveal what drugs YOU are taking.

[@joycegriffin3652]

I’m glad you fulfilled your desire “not to win” because you didn’t. You weren’t up to the task. You were awful on ESPN. First time I listened to him when I wasn’t looking and said to myself’ who is this crazy person that don’t know what he’s talking about. Forgot the subject matter. He’s only reading the ones that favor him.

[@artemioolivas5689]

Will got royally owned.

[@masterwudong9824]

Pakman debates like he studies film from Destiny but just can't quite get there

[@Fstate]

David was cut off. He let Will finish speaking more often and still dismantled most of what Will tried to push

[@garrettjones6793]

I’m a “lib” I guess based on my views but I’ve been trying to hear intelligent arguments from the right and my hat is off to you Will Greatly respect your ability to communicate even if I don’t agree with all of your views you have really been a bright light showing me not everyone on the right has their head in the sand looking forward to watching more P.s. I watch lots of left leaning content and without exception my opinion of their content is smug and pandering I agree with a lot of their analysis however their posturing and presentation could seriously benefit from taking a page out of your book

[@pfeiferwithap]

Intelligent arguments from the right? Let me save you some time… there are none..

[@garrettjones6793]

@@pfeiferwithap Lol 😂 I get your point but I don’t think that’s fair. What I mean by “intelligent argument” is forming a basis for their position using logic and reason. I suppose what I should have said is cohesive and coherent. Arguing well doesn’t necessitate being correct. I’m listening to this stuff to try to get a sense of where my dad is coming from cause he’s terrible at forming an argument literally impossible to follow his train of thought. I can ask him a simple question and end up miles away without an answer to the original question. Definitely not here to change my core values😎

[@joeaddison7120]

Pakman DESTROYED you Cain. It was painful to watch.

[@Astrokurtis]

Hey Will why not read the room 🤔?

[@winsomemartinez]

Cain is completely disingenuous with his "I didn't say that" while he knows and understands that it is the work of his entire network to push the narratives Pakman describes. If he were genuinely a dispassionate journalist he would question and push back against narratives on the shows he hosts. But he doesn't, he just nods his head as guests push spurious arguments. The only time he pushes back is when he hears something he doesn't _agree_ with. That is a biased opinionist, not a journalist. And since that is the case with 95% of what Fox does they should remove the word News from their name.

[@rezonxthepiggert9647]

Only fools believe what David packman the Russian collusion conspiracy theorist peddler spews everyday lol!

[@carlsonkurt87]

Ur trippin

[@listlessvessels5]

@@carlsonkurt87 You know don't know when to use "your" and "you're", you're not fooling anybody.

[@carlsonkurt87]

@@listlessvessels5 how uptight are you lmao. Typical miserable lib

[@sunshinehoward9649]

hi winsome. you told me last time we spoke, I didn't know you. and you were correct. you also asked if Trump loses the election i think if I would still support him. I waited to respond for so long b/c again you were correct about not knowing you. I read comments instead and I kind of dig you sometimes. lol. curious and of course only if you want to, are/were you a conservative and if so what are the issues you are having with him?

[@jamesbarry1673]

Vote for Joe, not the psycho

[@listlessvessels5]

Pakman has 2 million YT followers, Will wouldn't have 200,000 followers on his own so he has to piggy back on Fox's 11 million subscribers. Oh, and ONE guy Pakman has nearly 20% of the YT subscribers as all of Fox News, let THAT sink in.

[@Comstock67772]

Yes were all aware of the difference in popularity between Coke and Champagne

[@PoonCooter43]

​@@Comstock67772Or Drake compared to Mozart🤣 Derrr, thing more popular than other thing so first thing better, derrrr

[@fatso2189]

Will I don’t understand where you are getting your information from regarding the equality of the comments being about 50/50 on their view of the interview. All the top comments in this video have demonstrated you did not in fact win? This is your channel correct? Also why are you only showing comments that align to your views? Most of the ones you showed didn’t have more than 3-4 likes. If these comments were the general consensus of the mass then it would have 20-30+ votes? Like the ones in here that show they do not in fact agree with you. Please be more truth-full. 🙏🏽

[@yourmarketingmindset]

Will seems well-spoken and a nice person overall. But why on earth would he side with Trump is mind-boggling. I feel bad for the guy-he took a wrong turn somewhere. Come on, Will, do some deep thinking while you're in France. European traveler, smart - just very misguided. We'll wait, buddy. It may take some time till your head clears.

[@stunuts7425]

''i didnt come in to win this debate''....its a DEBATE, theres always going to a be a winner or loser coming out of it even if you didnt intend too 'win'.... You got destroyed by simple logic reasoning and now your looking for any excuse to not look like the loser. i wouldvev had more respect for you if you just owned up that you werent prepared instead of giivng this weak sauce of an excuse

[@corman2332]

Pakman was rude and smug and used tactics to appear to "win" the debate. He's good at bad faith tactics. Will wanted to have a good conversation and you people hate trump so much that you hate Will?

[@mikelopez9925]

In a diverse society such as ours there will always be racism. Groups will always look after themselves. What we ought to do is look past that and see ourselves as one nation.

[@3rdjrh]

According to a poll on David channel, half of his fans think Trump is on performance enhancers, and Biden is not. That tells you all you need to know about his audience.

[@laned6245]

David literally stated in this interview that he doesn’t agree with many people on the left. I would assume this poll was done in order to see where his viewers stand. Polls are not always completely correct so a split 50/50 like you are saying seems highly likely

[@TexasPoker40]

98% fans of fox think Biden shits his pants daily and think the election was rigged. That tells you all you need to know.

[@leeleecastro]

You started off this show well but became whiney! It was a good show, move on! You are so much better on this show than Fox and Friends. Rachel and Pete are not good hosts.

[@Nairolf0007]

pathetic

[@sunshinehoward9649]

LOL don't matter really. ytuber has more subs who cares? I sub to many and haven't been back since. LOL but lets brag that Pakman has more "followers" what a great argument. Pakman is right b/c he has more followers. too funny!!!

[@skillcoiler]

No he was right because he was he right.... He would have still been right if he only had one follower and it was himself.... That is how being right works.

[@robertstein6209]

I remember Vivek turning David inside out just like this a few months ago. So bad David did a video just like this one to explain away all of the points tye he was owned as well.

[@grantdevries8648]

He's trying to pretend David had the upper hand in tone only, not by his recipient and facts. You're priceless Will. Why don't you put the debate into a hypothetical sports analogy. You know what a loser does when he was whacked

[@orgazmatron3080]

This is what David does when he's invited to a conversation with a debate mindset. If you haven't watched his convo on trigonometry not sure how to spell the channel name but he was so bad faith it was cringe, then watch both channels analysis of the "debate" he is holier than those excuse my punctuation I'm redacted and holding a new born while typing.

[@joycegriffin3652]

Just feed your child. That’s it. Don’t strain your brain. Your baby has sucked the last bit of sense out of you. Don’t get so upset that you don’t feed your baby.

[@orgazmatron3080]

@@joycegriffin3652 rude

[@PoonCooter43]

In the begining there was only the Word, and the Word was "ick," and out of "ick" God created David Pakman, then God threw up all over his robe

[@joycegriffin3652]

That was stupid what you just wrote. How dare you quote from the Bible. Will is just as stupid. I can get more to agree than not. I’ve only seen him a few times and each time he sounds so out of it and uneducated. Maybe he can sell his children again.

[@ernieforrest7218]

I watched your debate with Packman. Im not one of his members nor do i agree with his opinions on anything. But i do watch some of his videos and i comment on them. There is only one way to win with people like him, and it isnt by debating, but rather by destroying them with election results.

[@anthonyedmond3296]

Pakman beat the hell out of will lol

[@3rdjrh]

Can’t stand David packman, smug goofball

[@adambram]

He’s a logical, pro-democracy, educated American. That’s probably why he bugs you.

[@3rdjrh]

@@adambram not really, he bugs me because he’s disingenuous, and doesn’t argue in good faith. I’m not dumb enough to fall for somebody that just “sounds smart”, I actually listen to what they say. And what does him being educated have to do with anything? Does that mean he’s not to be contested? Does that mean he can’t be wrong? Does that mean there can be no flaws in his “logic”?

[@lakepal7912]

Totally agree - did u see how mad and red his face got? Typical liberal whine

[@randym8393]

Trump's face is orange.

[@joycegriffin3652]

I guess you would think that. Will lies, a sucker for conspiracy theories from the few times I’ve struggled to listen to him. If the guest wasn’t there I would not watch this token. He’s illogical and uninformed.

[@mellambie]

Pakman 2028!!

[@dinastarks9295]

Down Under in the jungle hat You wear it well That's what counts

[@fritzbender5050]

I care not who debates, I care who counts the votes.

[@brendanmaclean3013]

You are aware of who was in power when the 2020 votes were counted? I’ll give you a hint. Trump. Trump was in power when the votes were counted.