MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 16 - Morning Jen McCabe Cross Examination and Kerry Roberts.

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THE DOCKET
0:00 Welcome
8:00 The Hearing
11:30 Jen McCabe - Cross Examination
46:00 Google Search!
1:03:50 Re-Direct Examination
1:53:40 - Re-Cross Examination - Jen McCabe
2:09:50 - Court Break
2:35:00 House Keeping
2:37:40 Kerry Roberts Testimony
4:09:00 Court Recess for Lunch
4:11:39 Summary
4:16:15 Q&A
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[@Rain_Reign]

To quote Runkle of the Bailey: With friends like these…you’re going to need a defense attorney.

[@lizzimmermann7164]

I need this on a shirt!

[@Rain_Reign]

@@lizzimmermann7164 that would be a great shirt!

[@jgsg2620]

@@lizzimmermann7164with Jen’s picture on it!!!

[@AuroraAlbaMoon]

Whee are Karen’s friends ? She has zero friends .

[@Rain_Reign]

@@AuroraAlbaMoon she doesn’t have seem to among the witnesses so far. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t have any friends though.

[@tinykitsune0387]

I got really tired of Jens boo hooing over harassment. A man is dead and a woman is on trial for it. Its not about you Jen!

[@Interestingname]

Like when she said “I think everyone forgot about John” not exact words and then Karen’s attny said hold up 😂

[@alexisbaltazar8958]

I think harassment can very well be tough on people, but I don’t like how she seemed to exaggerate it by using the word “torture,” among other words. She didn’t need to drag it like that

[@Interestingname]

@@alexisbaltazar8958 I agree. The point is they are not the victim(s) in this case. I feel like this is also proving the defenses point of why someone would want to cover up being responsible for John’s death. He was so known in the area and his families tragic story and him helping with the kids etc.

[@lbca81]

Wow what an incredibly cruel opinion

[@tinykitsune0387]

@@alexisbaltazar8958 i agree. What I really got fed up with was her not seeming to care about John who lost his life but instead only herself and how it has effected her. Not the poor children who lost another care giver. Not karen who may or may not be fairly convinced but herself and how it impacted her. Also i was irked by how nice she was to the CW and how snarky and argumentative she was with defense.

[@maximealarie9193]

The mean girl comment " She was just a babysitter with benefits" broke my heart. Having to hear that from the friends of the person I love must be torture.

[@katiehatcher2294]

That was hard to hear.

[@nedacarroll1670]

That was so bad, my heart hurts for her. And the joy she had on her face was so much worse.

[@angelikaschweitzer8574]

also explains some why they might want to frame her for their actions potentially (more convinced by the defense imo)

[@mariee.5912]

That was mean, and I feel that Jen was thrilled to say it. That's sad.

[@SunsetFirefly]

Jen just loves to get in her last horrible jab at Karen. I feel bad for JO’s parents who fell for her lies and schemes. They’re just another notch in her cap

[@Dogtopia641]

I’m uncomfortable with their shaming of Karen Read for being upset. Their focus on her being distressed ( they all said “screaming”) when her boyfriend is dying seems inappropriate, insensitive and judgmental …and too much a hard sell…why do they all seem so annoyed at her entirely understandable reaction ?

[@Interestingname]

I honestly wished that Karen’s attorney asked how she’d react to seeing her husband lying lifeless on the lawn

[@stellaallbright4750]

@Interestingname -- Honestly, she probably wouldn't gaf.

[@KatAdVictoriam]

This whole time, I have assumed that their lack of reaction and nastiness to Karen regarding her shock and actual horror over finding John is because they already knew he was dead. It wasn't so shocking to them and they're annoyed and stressed and want it all over with. Just my two cents though. I think Karen's reaction is on par with such an event. I shrieked when I learned of my parent's deaths. I couldn't breathe. I was repeating things...that's not so unusual. That - or these people are totally cold-hearted.

[@acousticprojekt]

John dying has just been one big annoyance for these families. They genuinely don't care and can't fathom why others care. That's clear

[@cathygarton917]

EDB, time travel😂

[@Eoryu]

Jen calls Kerry "Chatty, chatty, chatty." Kerry in reality: is arguably one of the most reserved and calm witnesses yet. Jen just comes off more and more and more as the gossip girl of the town eager to talk drama and involve herself in things that didn't concern her.

[@origamikiddo2625]

Yeah, I owe Kerry an apology cuz I had a very bad opinion of her based on what Jen said but now I'm wondering if much if it was true or just Jen stirring the pot/ controlling the narrative. I definitely see the mean girls comment, just from how Kerry seems on the stand vs Jen.

[@HappeningsatLamgoFarms]

Yep- but then again- Jen seems to say something and people have been believing it. Maybe she wanted to plant all of this “she’s a talker” in the jury’s head. She doesn’t seem like a taker at all. Jen is toxic.

[@vee_tinymoose]

And Jen’s testimony, text messages, and attitude when she was about to share the ‘appalling’ statement were all far more demonstrative of someone who ‘talks too much’ or gossips..

[@leannabedore]

Exactly! Couldn't have said it better. If she Cleary portrayed Kerry wrong to the jury and everyone watching, who and what else is she portraying wrong? Kerry was cool as a cucumber and even further made her look like a headcase. You said my thoughts. I though the entire time, this witch inserts herself, is the mrs loud mouth know it all, and condescending.

[@anmyrac19]

Jen is the chatty Kathy here. Kerrys testimony brings that to light.

[@itsjusteddie7384]

I cannot believe this trial went to court in this state. I cannot believe the facts of the case are being presented in this manner. Outrageous miscarriage of justice for the victim.

[@pennygreenler4351]

and the accused!!!

[@Danelle475]

Agreed. Do a solid investigation and find out what really happened to this man. Unless they have actual proof that KR intentionally hit him with her car and ran him over and left him for dead, there’s no murder case against her. Why were no other suspects investigated?

[@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole]

So what's more likely: - Karen killed him - Giant coverup conspiracy with tons of people including the EMT's somehow also behind it and not a single piece of evidence? Nobody talks?

[@timroberts6695]

From what I’m reading the DA is in the corruption circle

[@notme2day]

@Danelle475 exactly! ... can you say cover up f-ery is afoot?

[@ScreamingMothVibes]

"I'm in shock.", "I've been in shock for months.", "I lost my friend.", "I've been harrassed.". Jen, those are a whole lot of "What about me, Me, ME!!!" for someone who refuses to call half the time to John O'Keffee by his name and only by "The Guy"

[@Rain_Reign]

And the only time I saw her display any emotion other than anger & indignation was while crying over the harassment (which is OF COURSE unacceptable, and consequences are due, but still not about you today Jen).

[@debrasalmon2498]

She also refers to John as the body.

[@ScreamingMothVibes]

@Rain_Reign Agreed. No one should be harrassing these people. But also, Jen maybe don't throw a fit about it at John's Murder Trail

[@maureenfrancis8902]

She’s in shock but Karen’s screaming when the incident happened , was out of line. Unbelievable

[@pennygreenler4351]

spoken like a true narcisist!

[@SonjaHamburg]

OH MY! What a difference between two witnesses! I'm watching as a juror and i cant trust any word that comes out of Jen's mouth.

[@pennygreenler4351]

me either...

[@elsa68017]

Whenever Jen said “absolutely”, I knew to listen for the lie.

[@Cat-tv4xn]

Me either

[@mariee.5912]

​@SunriseBlue-tc9me it's not hate or anger. I had no idea about this case and Jen comes out as manipulating and controlling. She's the person thst she described Kerry to be.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I feel the same and am wondering if she made up things she or others said to help her narrative. I'm waiting to hear the rest of Kari's testimony.

[@sapphy2530]

I don't understand how Jen thinks insisting that EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG but her is believable. Does that include technology? Technology is also lying? Why did the prosecutor think just asking her to say it again would fix the fact that no one in law enforcement reported hearing it? So baffling.

[@ksjmward1998]

Wait for the experts on the technology side...

[@soude85]

According to the “little circle” of witnesses, Technology seems to malfunction in Canton all the time… At this point, it feels like they are trying to gaslight us into believing that phones have a life of their own. 🙄 It’s insane!

[@Steve-YT383]

Gives me major Amber Heard vibes

[@hnraj9441]

​@SunriseBlue-tc9me right back at ya. Come up with something real to say.

[@Stoshnut]

​@SunriseBlue-tc9me Hi! I've had a heart problem since I was born. My uncle had a different issue and he had a heart attack at 50 with no warning. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't attribute anger and hatred to causing heart problems. Neither of us are/were angry or hateful and it can lead to some misconceptions and generalizations about heart health. If you feel something strange in your chest get checked. Hard to detect heart murmurs can be indicators of a hole in the lining of your heart. The walls of your heart can be too thick and both can kill you.

[@LawNerd23]

I am a KZbin juror and never heard anything about this case until watching the trial with Emily D Baker. I do not condone harassment. But I can't stand bullying. I didn't know any witnesses name but now I know Matt McCabe, Jennifer McCabe and all the Alberts. Do you think with your attitude on the stand Jennifer you are no longer going be harassed? Do you not realize thousands now can see and hear all of your lies? Because of your attitude alone, may all of the Karma due to you and yours rain upon you.

[@lemmythepug]

It really is her bad attitude that makes her so inlikable. She did herself no favors and testifying that her family is being harassed tells me as a juror she’s involved

[@stellaallbright4750]

From what I've recently read in comments, the Albert's and McCabe's are engaged in their fair share of harassment and bullying of others, including witnesses. 🤷 Inho, they are reaping what they have sown.

[@GenZMother]

Well said.

[@hnraj9441]

​@SunriseBlue-tc9me you're going to say this to everyone pointing out the obvious huh? Do you think it's going to change minds? How like JM you must be. Thinking you can manipulate everyone. Take a seat.

[@Eileen064]

@SunriseBlue-tc9meYes, and it shows on Jen’s face. She’s a very unhappy woman.

[@alyr7443]

So my verdict for today thus far.. Jen McCabe is incredibly unlikeable and evasive. I was prepared to not like Kerry because of how Jen portrayed her "new bestie". But I was wrong. Forgive that assumption. Also prepared for Kerry to be a "talker". 🤔 She answered the questions and isnt ranting/on a tangent barely at all.

[@hansingleton]

Same! I'm on catch up and about 5 mins in to Kerry's testimony and the difference is stark, JM is trying to gaslight everyone

[@origamikiddo2625]

I owe Kerry an apology for how I thought she would be based off Jen's testimony. Hard to not see Jen as a Regina George now!

[@alyr7443]

@@origamikiddo2625 honestly same!! I was expecting the same personality or worse. I shouldn't have made that assumption and based it off Jen's testimony based on how she was anyhow.

[@debrasalmon2498]

As a juror when she said what her family and others have been through, after listening go the evidence so far, I think what about what Karen has been put through.

[@daniellle4270]

Same… and I knew nothing about this case before the trial started… Or should I say before Emily‘s coverage started😂

[@DeeKay-66]

Exactly! Can you imagine the devastation Karen felt when she discovered her so-called friends were setting her up? My heart bleeds for Karen. This will affect the rest of her life. I hope she gets out of Massachusetts as soon as she’s free of this mess! My thoughts and prayers are also with Officer John O’Keefe. The world lost an incredible man!

[@laurabee9788]

And the O’Keefe’s as well! I cannot imagine not only losing one of my children, but *two?!* One to a fast-moving cancer, and one to murder, two of the most horrific ways to die… I do not know if I would be able to go on after that; it would just be WAY too much as a mother. Now they have thousands of people talking about their son’s murder on the internet, being bombarded with conspiracies and internet sleuths and weirdos prob messaging/contacting them nearly every day, having to re-live it over and over again without truly knowing what happened to him. I honestly feel terrible for them in all of this, and for Karen and her family as well. This whole thing is just devastating for all involved.

[@KatrinaRaven]

Jen McCabe gave a lot of reason to her motivation to say what she said about Karen, So obvious she is lying to take the heat off her family and the "harassment" their family is experiencing. She did herself and family no favors in this testimony. Wow.

[@MassBorn]

Yes. I 100% agree

[@kaleidoscopedreams1111]

I agree. I thought it was telling during her re-cross where she basically screamed out something along the lines of Karen wanted to go back there bc that is where she left him! Of course she has no direct evidence to say something like that. It’s not a fact, but an opinion that she wants people to believe. IMO she destroyed the credibility of her family. And Kerry’s calm, direct and reasonable testimony right after really drives this home.

[@sallycinnamon5370]

It kind of cheapens her testimony when she talks about having motivation to lie because the world is attacking her for being untrue

[@Kai-here]

The amount of patience that Allen has is phenomenal. Jen aggravates me so much, it makes me want to scream.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I'm wondering how much it works for her and ppl usually give up or give her what she wants. But AJ is being just as stubborn and won't let up.

[@natmelofit]

SAME!

[@TheSusieTom]

He's a pro

[@justinspencer983]

I can’t stand her! I didn’t trust portions of her story at first (even during defense) it minor meh. But at this point she irrationally pissed me off. Like I would be so done as a juror if I was in that room. Luckily I am just watching for fun. 😤

[@208beautybasics9]

Ms. Roberts doesn't seem to be the one who is the "talker" and "oversharer". She is much more believeable and genuine than Jen McCabe

[@stellaallbright4750]

Jen was projecting, imho!

[@zxy78267]

I agree. It was completely unnecessary for Jen to say that about Karen, but she just had to throw that in.

[@jessersue716]

I agree. I found. Kerry to be believable and you could tell she cares deeply for John OKeefe!

[@origamikiddo2625]

I agree and Kerry's testimony so far made me question everything I've heard from Jen (I mean, Jen's own behavior during testimony did that but Even the way she described Kerry had me thinking Kerry was a mean girl and a back stabber but she comes off as way more credible. Things Kerry said that are suspiscious I'm like huh, so maybe Karen did do it?

[@andreacollins3204]

Jen is like one of those soccer moms at the school gates that looked down their noses at me a very young mother moving to a rural area in Ireland trying my best. Now I’m in my 40s and my kids have moved abroad and are very happy and those same women have their kids living at home just taking advantage of them. ❤️

[@juliefin1124]

JM is a very dangerous woman! She is heartless and has no conscience. She would have no problem seeing an innocent woman go to jail due to her lies. It is very disturbing!

[@mazarky2]

I feel the same, so snarky with her answers, like she knows everything. Which I feel she does know exactly what happened.

[@LawNerd23]

At this point I think it would be justification if she was actually the one sitting in Karen's chair. If she was I would say Jennifer is guilty.

[@peaceandlove7824]

😂how this guy would help the prosecution? Give a break’ they are a bunch of liars!

[@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole]

Imagine calling a woman who has been harassed by thousands of people "heartless".

[@mariee.5912]

She's seeing people's world been destroyed, and she's entertained like she was watching a gossip show.

[@isabelperez3094]

His phone stopped at 12:45. According to previous testimony from when Jen kept texting him. Jen McCabe is so deep in this. Unbelievable.

[@feddavandermolen-quest8388]

EDB quote:"...I don't know how many butts were dialing" 😂😂😂 That was a great start in the stream.

[@johannamuller3970]

Lol 🤣🤣 true. I know but dialing used to be a thing but don't modern phones have like fingerprint, codes or face reco for unlocking? Hard to butt dial

[@ateenipeterson]

Butts be dialing, hanging up, deleting evidence, dropping a dying friend in the lawn…

[@mariapafflackduck3170]

Amazing how many people in Canton have a butt print to open their phones instead of fingers. Was it a TikTok challenge?

[@notme2day]

@mariapafflackduck3170 Under-rated comment right here! Thank you for making me laugh... I needed that!!! 😂😂😂

[@scruff3760]

@@mariapafflackduck3170 😂😂😂

[@AJ7813]

First off, I worked in LE for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and am 100% embarrassed with how the investigation started and proceeded throughout. I will not personally say “who is who” regarding this case, but they should be ashamed of themselves. I do not agree with the harassing of anyone, but the behavior of Ms. McCabe as well as her actions about this incident is what caused this. I just hope that our non biased friends will follow through with the other investigation.

[@hnraj9441]

We appreciate you and your caring and good and proper investigations.

[@maureenmclaughlin2652]

Amen

[@shirleypaslay2019]

I just hope the truth comes out about it all. That those people who aided in the cover up are held accountable for their actions.

[@ErinStudio]

Jennifer McCabe was her own worst enemy, her need to control her narrative is so stressful to hear. She refused to answer ANY questions that she couldn't add details and explanations because she knew it didn't look good. She didn't go to Michael Proctor's house or Lank's house, she went to their wives' homes? Come on. I was thinking she's using the wives as some sort of intermediary for information or something. Because why be evasive about going to Proctor's house by calling it Elizabeth Proctor's home...wtf was that? It was entirely sus. She told people Karen said she hit him but no one has it on record, even in grand jury testimony. She didn't delete calls or searches but the records show she did. Wanting to see all the records related to her made her seem like she needed them to tell her what exactly to remember. The total Mean Girl comment about what Kerry said really pissed me off. I've dealt with girls like that before and it was triggering.

[@origamikiddo2625]

Very well summed up! And I definitely agree about the mean girls aspect. I wasn't quite seeing it but I already had my thoughts about Kerry and then she started testifying and I was like oh ok, soo Jen is the not credible one and the talker and going to EVERYONE'S house and having ppl over to overhead the statements and why???! Why is Jen even so involved in all this, it's her brother in laws house?? Did Nicole need her help or does she just insert herself? She's more involved in all this and everyone's info and statements than Chris Albert whose son is practically being accused of fighting and hurting John. All I can see is someone wanting to be so in on it and maybe a fixer when it's really not anything to do with her besides her daughter picking up a kid from the house around the time and Jen was at the house and gave other kids rides home.

[@Stoshnut]

​@@origamikiddo2625 I personally feel like Jen felt replaced by Karen. *Super speculation* I think Jen said something to John about being in love with him and they argued. I think Chloe was let out at the same time. Brian Albert didn't know the gate was open. The dog attacked John thinking it was protecting Jen. Jen had just been rebuffed in some way so she convinced Brian Albert and Brian Higgans that John had done something to provoke the dog and Chloe was protecting Jen. I think Jen didn't want them to know what she had said to John. He rejected her and could ruin her marriage. I still don't know what killed him and how his body was damaged so idk what else happened to him. I just know about his arm.

[@maikolosav]

Say I'm on my way to my bff's house. I call my mom to chat a bit and mention "I'm on my way to Gina's house". I won't say I'm on my way to her husband's house, even though it's the same house!

[@richelle7211]

If Karen told Jen to google hypothermia/time and Jen has nothing to hide, why did she fight against saying the words she used to search? 🙄

[@yoshi6421]

To not put it in evidence. Only the answers are evidence, not the questions. That's why she was pushed so hard to say it out loud herself.

[@hnraj9441]

​@@yoshi6421 it not being said by her doesn't mean the jurors didn't hear it or understand what it meant. It was on screen and evidence that way and it was always going to come into evidence that way. She just didn't want to say it because she is trying like heck to distance herself from it

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

Why did Jen not type hypothermia. She repeatedly said that was what Karen asked her to do- so why “how long to die in the cold” misspelled so many times? When I searched it on my phone- I only had to type “hypother” to bring up hypothermia.

[@maureenmclaughlin2652]

​@@Princelover-ip4gnno one would ask that in a state of shock when finding a friend or loved one incapacitated/unconscious 🙄

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

@@maureenmclaughlin2652 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@betterwiththeirish]

My impression of Jen McCabe is she wants to see all evidence so she only says what is already in the report. She wants to see anything and everything before she says something. To me it doesn’t seems anything about memory for her

[@SkippySkippy-oy4eo]

Spot on!!!! My thoughts as well…..

[@agelesswanderlust2289]

I was surprised that she was allowed to look at so much. Pretty sure that wouldn't be allowed that much in Canada. Least in trials I have been at. It was obvious that she was just trying to make sure she was correct.

[@FLmomof4]

Same!! I wonder why they kept letting her see it. They don’t have to do they?

[@vee_tinymoose]

Yes!

[@vee_tinymoose]

@@FLmomof4I wonder if it was because they were going that the jury would see and judge that behaviour too?

[@melb4jd245]

I’ve tried to give Jennifer the benefit of the doubt, but her true colors have finally come out. She can’t recall anything and that’s because she’s not telling the truth. You don’t have to look back to recall what really happened.

[@SewFloSewing]

This, her constant need to check and verify everything she said when asked looked like someone who was working very hard to keep her lies straight

[@tinahansen5887]

Not only that, looks like she will only answer questions she knows they have in evidence (can prove to her that they have).

[@tinahansen5887]

So John took his jacket off inside the house because it was warm? Is that what I'm hearing that it's cold in here nothing on but the jeans and shirt?

[@dreamer7449]

@@tinahansen5887John never had a jacket on

[@tinahansen5887]

Thought he had a light weight hoodie/ sweatshirt on.

[@dragons_flight]

Kerry Roberts is the very first sign of tears of grief for John O'Keefe I've seen in this trial. Her testimony is completely believable to me. She is speaking truthfully.

[@xXxDigitalBathxXx]

Also the first friend.. I can't think of his name. The one who came over to pick up Kaylee. He got me teared up too

[@ChristopherMichael180]

Jen really set up Kerry to be this unstoppable motor mouth, but the difference between testimony from Jen and Kerry is startling.

[@laimanarbute4188]

So far it seams like Karen is beeing prosecutes, for freaking out, not taking of the shoes..and beeing nanny with benefits.

[@justinspencer983]

Ya that shoe focus was so stupid oh no she didn’t take her shoes off! Hysterical is all we been given. Oh but yes her possible statements of hitting John is FACTS, but her not know the difference from the victims blood and period blood it is just hysteria. So what is it was she incoherent, irrational and in shock. Or confessing to her crimes. 😮‍💨

[@bakgrrrr]

The audacity for the amount of time Jen tried to add her comments regarding the harassment and acting like a victim. So disgusting. Read the room, lady. She is insufferable and not believable. I hope the jury see through her lies. Also, for not knowing Kerry prior to that night... Jen was with her a lot afterward.

[@cherylj7460]

Her entire family are victims of harassment. Did you think there’s a limit to number of victims in a trial? A lot of vulgar comments here. The public likes to have someone to worship as infallible and someone to project their anger and revenge on. Often it’s the same person, at a different moment in time. Someone actually wrote that Karen shouldn’t be convicted even if she did it. It’s like mob hysteria. And you don’t really know what happened!

[@bakgrrrr]

@@cherylj7460 Okay? Trying to use the victim card to get out of difficult questions isn't it.

[@Dynomite132010]

Gee...the harassment toward the family could be because the people in the area know the mentality of the people. I'd venture a guess that it's not their first cover-up. Just my opinion.

[@bakgrrrr]

​@SunriseBlue-tc9me lol thanks for being concerned about my heart but my cortisol didn't rise when I wrote that statement. That is your imagination.

[@hnraj9441]

​@@bakgrrrr she's saying that to everyone and thinks it's clever. 🙄

[@RanaePellegrino-xc5ts]

Jen McCabe said she only went to 34 Fairview because Karen told her to and wouldn’t have even thought to have gotten out of the car to look for John. Kerrie Roberts said Jen was the one who told Karen you went to 34 Fairview because we saw you pull up outside. Then Karen said let’s go there to look. Sounds like Jen wanted to sway Karen to go to 34 Fairview?

[@carolinah2857]

She has been totally in control of the narrative since beginning. Which is really sketchy, she trying to fill up the wholes on Karen’s memory, and then telling authorities “Karen wanted, Karen said” it feels like she is a gossiper, she likes to create drama and maybe she is covering for someone else.

[@johannamuller3970]

It was so sus Jen saying it's because Karen knew the body is there when the perfectly normal reason would be Karen dropped John of for the after party

[@JulStar13]

YEP!!!

[@JulStar13]

@@carolinah2857oh, she's definitely the "one" who wrote this fictional tale implicating KR. She is the busy body, who actually INSERTED herself into the investigation six ways from Sunday. Wtaf a dispicible human being.

[@pitbullcrew271]

@@carolinah2857 but I’m going to say the icky part out loud. I think Mrs. Okeefe may have encouraged her cuz she wanted someone to pay for her son’s death. That’s if you believe Jen on that part of her testimony.

[@LakesLauren]

Sounds like Kerry was taking charge every step of the way, in a sensible way. Thank goodness she got up to help. Guessing it threw Jen for a loop.

[@sad.jackfr00t]

Idk if I'd say telling her grieving friend to "shut the fuck up" and calling her grieving friend a "babysitter with benefits" is sensible...

[@helensmusings]

I would say Kerry wasn't a friend of Karen's, Officer O'Keefe's friend yes, but not Karen's.

[@LakesLauren]

@@helensmusings guessing you meant wasn’t a friend of Karen’s? If so, exactly, Kerry made it really clear she didn’t really know Karen but her & John had daily contact because of the kids. Watching her testify was sad, she really made him real…

[@helensmusings]

@LakesLauren lol thanks for the that, I hadn't realised auto correct had been at it 😆 She seemed almost jealous of Officer O'Keefe's relationship with Karen, like it took away time from him being her friend

[@origamikiddo2625]

@@sad.jackfr00t do we know that Kerry really said that or is it just Jen's testimony that Kerry did? Cuz I have a hard time now trusting anything that came from Jen. I haven't heard the rest of the day yet, so apologies if Kerry admitted to such things. Also want to add my own experience, had 1 co worker in a daycare that we found out after she rage quit during nap time was talking about EVERYONE of us behind our backs trying to turn us all against each other, even our boss. It led to some big problems before she quit including me breaking down in tears in the bosses office cuz boss was told I was trying to take over her job and she should watch her back around me. So as awful as it is and I don't want to assume ppl could be that deceitful with a purpose, it does happen.

[@ROCKLIKEACOBB]

How shi**y of these women to bring up John's old girlfriends when Karen is already frantic; "oh where the dancer lives". So telling about them both. so gross.

[@Rain_Reign]

It’s awful. To quote Runkle of the Bailey: When you have friends like these, you’re going to need a defense attorney. Facts. I hope we all learn from this trial the kind of people we should stay TF away from.

[@eimyalbers7640]

I thought the same thing!

[@hnraj9441]

​@@Rain_Reign i need him to make merch with that phrase! 😄

[@origamikiddo2625]

I'm putting most of that on Jen, waiting to hear if it actually came from Kerry at all. So far Jen has attributed things others have said or did or suggested that seemed to have really come from her, so just cuz she Said something in this trial means not much or maybe the opposite to me

[@KarazolaX]

Living with women, I've heard some of the absolute meanest gossip that made my jaw drop how someone could say that about someone else. Mean Girls was soft in comparison to the truth. I get that sexism can be a real problem, but I swear that there will never be a man in this world who can possess as much hate for a woman as another woman can. Not a chance.

[@CrazyCrystal8175]

Finally someone with some sense pointed out the very real fact that since all of the adults were drinking, they should probably NOT DRIVE!! KERRI IS THE 1ST I THINK TO POINT THIS OUT!!🤦‍♀️🙄

[@DC-si8xw]

It seems like everyone is an officer, knows an officer, or is related to an officer, so yea, kind of strange but probably the reason they aren't afraid of getting in trouble for driving drunk. they are part of the good Ole boys club

[@smurfmonster]

I’ve come into this case as a juror and this witness’s attitude and argumentative nature is making me think what the hell is she trying to hide! Whatever it is it must be big considering the effort she’s putting into being contradictory in her reply to EVERY question! Even when she answers “yes” or “no” it’s done with an attitude that would have got me grounded as a kid and sacked from a job as an adult had I displayed it! However she seems to think that not only is it appropriate behaviour, it’s appropriate behaviour to use/display in a court of law in front of a judge and jury AND in front of MILLIONS of people that will watch this video on line in perpetuity! Something she’s going to regret for a LONG time me thinks!

[@Clara_linking]

It was nice seeing someone that cared for her friend

[@stellaallbright4750]

@Clara_linking -- It only took 16 days... 💔

[@AngelEowyn]

What a coincidence that Jen is asked by the defendant to do the exact same google search that she had already done hours earlier! The chances of that happening are so remote. This to me is the smoking gun. She admits to doing the google searches at 6 in the morning but distances herself from the one that was deleted. There is no way Karen would have asked her to do the exact same search. At the very least, their story has a major flaw to it.

[@anmyrac19]

Wow that's a solid point!! I didn't even think of that.

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

'I wouldn't even know how to delete a search' ... but your husband is an ITS guy, he certainly would

[@SilenceoftheHams]

Why did the men allow the wives/girlfriend to go find THEIR friend in a blizzard alone?! My husband would jump up and be first in line to go and probably tell me to stay home. Why is no one asking that question?

[@susanlprince]

I wondered the same thing, why the men weren't out doing something.

[@helensmusings]

Especially Jen's husband with her having MS. I have fybromyalgia snd rheumatoid arthritis and my hubby would have done anything to help me so I didn't have to go out in the cold due to how it affects my conditions

[@obfuscatethecode5696]

Especially since Kerri’s husband was also good friends with John! Like did they just think Karen was being “dramatic”?

[@buntybaggins536]

Too busy grab assing? 🤷‍♂️

[@UnusualAmber5]

I had not even considered this but you’re right. My husband wouldn’t have wanted me out in a situation like that.

[@charlii73]

3:13:36 - The prosecution: Karen Read ran into the house with SHOES on!! She Did It!!!

[@callie7744]

My heart breaks for Karen. The way Jen said that about her “being babysitter with benefits” is just so sad! She said it so mean! They should all be ashamed!

[@beulahboi]

25:00 OOOOO I didn't think I could dislike this woman even more than yesterday.

[@bshows89]

I feel like bringing up the "harassment" she has recieved is not as helpful to the prosecution as they might think. To me, it demonstrates that a sizable portion of the population do not believe that Karen Read is guilty. I know it's supposed to garner sympathy from the jury and make them more likely to believe her, but to me it just sounds like, "Everybody is bullying me because I'm a murderer."

[@doeb23]

Same!!! It introduces public opinion and that so many people stand with Karen. Same as when amber heards team introduced the Twitter hashtags and it showed where the public stood.

[@bshows89]

@@doeb23 Yes! It feels very similar to the Depp v. Heard hashtags.

[@luci-ferre]

Brian Albert said he went to jens house later on the 29th because she's like a sister to him and he wanted to be there for her. But he chose not to be there for her (and John) outside the house that morning when he was in the snow dying or dead? The fact that jen didnt run straight to brian as soon as they got there, before or during calling 911, speaks loud to me. Hes in your circle and like a brother but you dont go in there until lank tells you to??

[@hnraj9441]

And honestly, now that we've seen jen, do you think she she was a delicate frightened woman who needed him to be there to stop her from being nervous about an interview?

[@luci-ferre]

@@hnraj9441 good point. I can see her as being someone who's bolstered by having her circle of friends nearby, not necessarily because she needed comforting but 🤷

[@wotchermystic2335]

In the chapters you’re missing Kerry’s direct examination. Omg Jen is looking more & more suspicious!

[@sjlar1981]

Watching Kerry’s testimony about the trauma of the 3 of them finding JOK and trying to warm him up & do CPR it just makes it even more unbelievable to me that JM isn’t banging the door down on her sisters house for help

[@basicallyno1722]

Exactly….there are blankets IN THE HOME. Why are we fussing around for baby blankets in Kerry’s car?

[@lisaandrews919]

Really Jen was the only one who knew those people|friends with…….

[@AC-fr9yu]

Jen is the biggest busybody I've ever seen.

[@caxyz3n]

My thoughts exactly! Seems like she attached herself to EVERYONE in this case. Very odd.

[@eimyalbers7640]

😂😂😂

[@JulStar13]

YES!! I don't mix well with those types and any time I've had one enter my life, I've quickly kicked them to the curb. Not go be sexist, but women like this are the worst. They're snakes. Always in your business, talking about you and your business to anyone in your "group" that'll listen. No thanks. 😂

[@TheTrueTerryberry]

👏Replay Crew 👏 aka half an hour behind crew. Wow, based on Jen's testimony and comments I assumed Kerry would be terrible but so far I think she is a credible and direct witness (and "adequately" emotional). Looking forward to this afternoon!

[@Rain_Reign]

Riding with you, over two hours behind and trying so hard not to peek!! 🫣💜

[@stellaallbright4750]

Based on Jen's testimony, I'm honestly disappointed in Kerry's testimony. Jen made her sound like a loose cannon. 🤷

[@michellevanallen3286]

I’d rather have Kerry as a friend than Jen, that’s for damn sure.

[@LakesLauren]

Why in the world would Jen suggest to go back to Fairview when she knew he didn’t get out. Wouldn’t you be trying to trigger Karen’s memory to think of any places they went after pulling off?!!

[@ErinStudio]

Jen testified that Karen claimed to leave him at Waterfall. Karen wanted to drive to Waterdall because of that. THEN, on cross, Jen said Karen is the one who wanted to go to 34 because she knew she left John there to die. Kerry Roberts testified that Jen is the one who told Karen she saw her pull up to 34 the night before and so Karen insisted going there and Jen gave directions. So Jen was spinning a serious narrative and couldn’t remember what she said…probably because it wasn’t completely truthful. Repeating from memory doesn’t require a lot of added details.

[@ErinStudio]

Also, in Jenn’s 911 call, a portion was played where she says, “he got out of the car.”

[@LakesLauren]

@@ErinStudio exactly. I don’t think Jen believes he never got out of the car but if that’s the lie she’s sticking too, she’s not doing a good job making it believable.

[@LakesLauren]

@@ErinStudio I didn’t word my comment very well. I should have said if Jen “claims” not Jen “knows”. But yeah, like you said, there’s also too many things she’s slipping up on.

[@LakesLauren]

@@ErinStudio I was really trying to say that if she was being truthful, how she actually responded doesn’t seem like natural responses to me. Something I wish they would’ve brought up to her instead of beating some of the dead horses they focused on.

[@timbercoffee]

The comment about John being in love with someone else and Karen being a babysitter with benefits was junior high, reflects only on Jen and Carrie, and Jen probably only testified to it to hurt Karen TODAY.

[@surfnyolly]

So who was Amy. This is the woman Kerry mentioned.

[@Kimbakimothy]

Jen 100% was trying to throw both Kerry and Karen under the bus. Holy shit was she the most unlikeable witness in this case so far.

[@Christine005]

The Albert/McCabe families have spent so much energy on distancing, collaborating timelines, he said-she said testimony, interpersonal relationships, and explaining multiple "coincidences" that they, themselves, have derailed this whole entire case from the beginning until now. I'm still no closer in understanding what actually happened to John. So far this trial has been ALL about the Albert/McCabe families. John so far has been nothing but a footnote.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

The McAlberts

[@kissy01]

Replay crew at re-direct: The family shouldn't be harassed even if they've actually done something shady. But for me, I don't know if the harassment helps the cw. It might lead me as a juror to think along the lines of "so the public thinks they're involved as well? Might be something to it".

[@silikon2]

EDB pointed this out the other day. Now multiple witnesses have brought it in the trial. The jury (in theory) didn't know about that stuff. Now they know a lot of people are blaming these people and accusing them of the unaliving. Well that means there's another theory of the case and that's potentially reasonable doubt. She said it was like Heard bringing the "justice for Johnny" stuff in Depp v Heard. Telling the jury millions of people side against her wasn't terribly wise.

[@stellaallbright4750]

Do you know how much harassment and bullying the Albert's and McCabe's have done to others?? 🤔 Honest ask.

[@kissy01]

@stellaallbright4750 No, cause I'm not American and I only get "coverage" from EDB. But that point doesn't matter. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind". I don't think anyone should harass or be harassed.

[@GenZMother]

Exactly! I’d be wondering why so much public outrage. It’s helping the defence, not hindering it.

[@yourscooter62]

@@stellaallbright4750they have bullied Karen the whole 2.5 years!

[@abbysogard9679]

I have never EVER yelled so much at my TV than I did today…. Full disclaimer I came in knowing nothing and only have followed what the jury has gotten… BUT OMG 😱

[@crystalfarmer4074]

JM learned nothing from the disaster she was yesterday. She very much so is giving off amber heard vibes of everyone's lying but me. She seems to really have it out for Karen Read and I can't imagine that she was ever a real friend to her

[@momomomo69]

Jen "Kerry just goes on and on and on..." lo and behold, Kerry's testimony is much more concise than Jen's 🙄

[@kikilola2954]

How Jen Macabe uses the words horror and torture describing unpleasant and upsetting things but the real horror is poor John dying in the snow all alone and the torture is what his family has been going through! This woman is intolerable.

[@Srhc1111]

I'm confused. Kerry mentioned in the car that Karen was having a conversation with Jen about a woman whose name Kerry didn't know. However, during Jen’s testimony, the shocking moment came when Kerry, in her interview with the police, revealed that Jo was in love with this woman, and that Karen was just a babysitter. However, Kerry didn't know the woman's name in the car?

[@lauraramsey905]

Kerry also said that John had her husband meat his women for approval. Her husband said he barley knew John.

[@missramsey3837]

I believe the woman John was "in love with" was Amy according to Jen. Bellas mother is Ashley and Emily mixed them up. Although I'm not sure if that is the dance instructor Kerry is talking about.

[@sjlar1981]

Kerry seems one of the most neutral and credible witnesses. I get the sense she doesn’t care for KR or JM & crew much, just deeply upset about what happened to her friend JOK in that mixed up web

[@Maazzzo]

I didn't really believe a word Jen said because she spun everything to either make herself the hero (I called 9-11, Kerry said she told her to do it) or the Most Victim to Ever Victim. I believe every word Kerri has said, she is coming across so genuine and honest. But Jen just seemed to think she was the one on trial. It felt like Jen practiced every word she said in the mirror over and over in a community college acting class. If I were on this jury, I would not be able to really take anything Jen said honestly. Every police report, and the phone reports are incorrect? Come on, Jen. Oh, and 'she's a talker, she's a talker,' over and over and over? Jen said ten times more per question than Kerri has at all.

[@daniellle4270]

Replay crew… Kerry is so much more helpful in terms of a witness for me. She doesn’t even seem defensive or guarded or well-prepared. She seems honest.… It’s refreshing lol

[@ksjmward1998]

I think it helps, she wasn't part of the Party at the Alberts

[@cANNabyss.]

Replay crew. I almost started sobbing when Kerry Roberts cried while watching that video. The only witness to shed REAL tears, and the only witness (so far) that seemed like she actually considered John her friend.

[@GlaukopisNox]

In fairness, I think you might be forgetting some of the early witnesses - besides, of course, his brother and sister-in-law, his niece's friend's father seemed very upset and Mr. Roberts and the Greek couple at least didn't seem cold about it

[@lemmythepug]

Watching from Portugal and this lady is defensive, argumentative and not typical behavior of someone telling the truth. She is very difficult, her lack of memory isn’t fooling anyone. She’ll be the reason KR is found innocent

[@strega42]

Well, her and also the part where the cops on the scene literally destroyed anything that might have been actual evidence.

[@melb4jd245]

I have not wanted to speculate, but since it has been brought up, I really do think there could be some interesting relationships in this group of friends.

[@JulStar13]

I think JM and KerR had a thing for him and were both very jealous. I'm shocked that JM considers KerR a friend with the way she talked about her during her testimony and I WISH that KerR knew about it. Tbh she should probably keep JM at arm's length.

[@Armchairdetective189]

How has this woman shown more emotion than anyone else in the case

[@chapter5030]

Probably bc she is not family involved or connected corrupt police/law

[@meleascott6490]

Exactly... my first thought!

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

She’s not in the circle ⭕️

[@meleascott6490]

@@butterbeanqueen8148 yeppers... probably a good thing LoL

[@MostlyMom]

She’s the only one not in their “little circle”… she actually cared for & about John, it seems.

[@megmagruder7124]

Note to all who have Jr. High girls… this trial shows how that behavior just keeps on going.

[@hopefulhuman]

I'm grateful my daughter never got involved in BS like that.

[@hazelangus]

Karen's actions make so much sense, if Jen told Karen she saw Karen pull up the previous night. ALL the sense. - Karen comes to Jen's attention because of screaming like a banshee while on phone with Kayleigh. I probably spelled that wrong. - Karen has no memory of the night after the Waterfall, but Jen tells her that she saw her car pull up to Fairview. Any normal human being is going to be scared that they had hit the person, if they are told they drove them the night before, they have no memory, they have a cracked tail light, and now their passenger has mysteriously disappeared. Especially considering that John would never have left the kids he was raising. No wonder Karen was continuously saying, did I hit him, could I have hit him. No wonder she ran around the scene like her hair was on fire when she found him dead, or probably dead. I don't know how this got upgraded to an intentional killing, unless the upgrading was Jen's fault and that's why she was so tough as a witness.

[@chrfuffle]

So Jen announced she saw KR at 34 Fairview, and Karen has no recollection of that (booze or MS brain fog). I wonder if Jen gaslit KR into believing she was at 34 Fairview and planted the idea that KR hit him. If so, it would make sense why KR was so focused on "did I/could I have hit him?" idea. If she "forgot" she was at Fairview, she could have "forgotten" running John down. This all seems profoundly sketchy.

[@stellaallbright4750]

🎯

[@soude85]

Gaslighting seems to be Jen’s specialty!! She wants us to believe that phones have a life of their own and do what they want…🙄

[@soniaf6156]

Ok, and how did John get to the house? Are u thinking KR left him at waterfall?

[@Stoshnut]

​@@soniaf6156 I mean with Jen and her husband. She has a track record of volunteering her husband to drive people. And the shady things feel very isolated with EVERYONE looking the other way. Even their memory loss was the same.

[@kathybenes3137]

I can't wait to hear from the lead investigater😮😮😮😮🎉 and all the physical evidence 🙌 that's going to be great 👍

[@_Annowar]

Jen spent so much time yelling at Alan about how Karen knew exactly where Johns body was and that's why it was her idea to go there, and then Kerri is like, "Jen told Karen she saw her outside the house and karen wanted to go to waterfall"

[@hnraj9441]

Yes! That is huge for me.

[@tatertotter808]

Did she just call John O’Keefe “the body”?????????? Wow. You would think it was a deer on the side of the road with how little this family cares

[@jackieallen3278]

I also think it is beyond weird that Jen didn't immediately call the house party to see if the missing man was there and have them look outside.

[@alisamclellan2779]

Don’t you guys have hostile witnesses over there. She is a hostile witness and the form of questioning is exactly what the defence is doing. And my god she is lying her head off. Watching from Australia 🇦🇺

[@jhart1127]

Thats an incorrect interpretation of a hostile witness. A hostile witness isn't someone who isn't answering your questions, it's anyone who is a witness of behalf of the opposing counsel.

[@gitte5781]

Emily think you misunderstood Jackson’s sarcasm to the harassment- think he was indicating that it was also horrible for Karen to be harassed and framed by this group/family.

[@hnraj9441]

​@SunriseBlue-tc9me😂😂😂😂

[@helensmusings]

@gitte5781 that's how I read it too

[@ashleyr.6953]

How I read it too.

[@eleanorrhoades7209]

The level of control JM wants to have over everything! She won’t testify to anything unless she gets to review the documents first.

[@hnraj9441]

Just makes it look more like she's lying and wants to be careful not to contradict her previous lies.

[@dgmaffi]

Alan Jackson was making a point when he was mocking Jenn about her harassment. He wanted to make sure she knew that being framed for murder sucks too.

[@tarakalous]

I feel ridiculous right now. For the entire month I’ve been watching your channel I thought you were saying something like “Lohnerts” then it just hit me!!!! Law nerds!!! It’s no wonder why it didn’t make any sense to me..atleast it does now.

[@gitte5781]

😂 Welcome to the group of law nerds!

[@LettieB75]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ironicallyxiconic]

This is so funny 😅

[@tarakalous]

@@gitte5781 thank you :)

[@soude85]

⁠@@tarakalous Omg, that’s actually so relatable!😂💜

[@rondadoliveira1305]

I find Kerry Roberts testimony realistic. I believe her.

[@smurfmonster]

Jen & Kerry’s testimony are night and day, one seems to have nothing to hide and answers questions immediately concisely without taking time to carefully choose their words. Jen seems to be trying to out think and out smart the attorney in order to get her narrative into the conversation.

[@acousticprojekt]

They seem shocked that people are upset that John has died and it was covered up or badly investigated. They really don't care John died and they can't fathom that others care?? It's so hard for the Alberts and mccabes I guess, John dying is just an annoyance to them

[@Glawnerd664]

I actually think Jackson’s anger in asking his question, even when objection against it is sustained, makes the point about not previously testifying as to “I hit him”. It might not be necessary, but I buy into his passion and prefer the questions being asked in that way rather than emotionless, calm and wholly professionally. I think it makes the point more credible and highlights it. He also perfectly shows what a hideous human being Jen is way better than if he remained passionless.

[@sjlar1981]

Whilst it’s deeply sad to see Kerry’s obvious emotion it’s actually refreshing to get a reminder as to what an honest witness presents like… makes me feel like I’ve been watching a few actors / actresses before now

[@doeb23]

Bad ones lol

[@mckennamontcalm]

IMO Jen was just DYING to call Karen a babysitter with benefits. She reeks of jealousy (especially with John saved as "JJ" in her phone) and I'm officially convinced she played a large part in this.

[@surfnyolly]

Who was Amy?

[@hnraj9441]

​@@surfnyolly someone john dated 10years ago. Bella's mom. Jen kept bringing her up and is trying to sell that as something Karen would be jealous of and trying to say that is her motive.

[@sherrycostonde]

Why didn’t Jen call her sister to check for John before they got there

[@semiprokeloi]

So all their phones are possessed is what they’re saying? Their phones make searches and calls, answer calls, delete call logs of specific calls …. That’s a lot of tech issues in one small town.

[@funnytime1111]

hahaha less than 30 seconds in and I'm dead "Day 379,000 of the Butt Dial Trial" sent me 🤣🤣🤣

[@libbydormouse318]

our friend died... but the harrassment is worse... what now?

[@matthewdekker6064]

If Jen did that search at 2:28am, I think it completely exonerates Karen. Jen knew that John was in the yard that night, which means that Jen knew that John had been in the house and got in some sort of fight, and she's now covering for someone (likely Higgins, for whatever reason) - or one of these policeman has told everyone to cover this up, and likely also was orchestrating things with the various investigators (including Proctor). And it sounds like Jen's the main reason why the women went back to 34 Fairview in the morning, so she's 100% lying when she says that Karen knew the body was there - JEN knew the body was there. Carrie's not in on the coverup, so she doesn't know that she's not supposed to say that Jen suggested that they go back to 34 Fairview. Also, if the prosecution could only uncover that one story about Karen being mistaken about this interaction between John and the younger girl, that's definitely not enough to prove any sort of motive on Karen's part, so I think it's pretty clear that she's gonna be found "not guilty" at this point - I very highly doubt that the prosecution has any sort of smoking gun, or they already would've shown it. Meanwhile, I think the defense still has a ton of smoking guns that are gonna point entirely toward the people at the house that night, and away from Karen herself.

[@My2Monkeeys]

Soooo here's the thing... Carrie was in such shock at seeing her friend that way that she doesn't even know why she was wrapping his head with a blanket, but was not so shocked to see the "weird electrical box" nearby?? Sounded almost exactly how the Albert's described it... So is she in cahoots with the Albert's or did she watch their testimony because there's no way she was actually paying attention that night while not even being able to recall why she wrapped his head in a blanket. It's the little stuff like this that make me really think they are all in a line of stories and lies together.

[@luci-ferre]

If Karen was not even supposed to stay at john's that night, she would have had an easy out as far as just going home and waiting for someone else to find John if she had killed him and was trying to hide it.

[@origamikiddo2625]

Very good point. Her not supposed to be home has enlightened a few things for me... Explains why she was so panicky immediately cuz John knew that so was planning to be home so she knew something was wrong. She immediately talked to Kayleigh to see if she had a text from her uncle like hey I'm heading home later or snow is so bad I'm staying at Mike's for a few hours or whatever. I'm also wondering if Karen's not supposed to be there was cuz they had a fight on the way home and Karen's like fine, hang out here but I'm not staying over tonight. I'm gonna go sleep a few hours at your place then head home, so wake me up when u get home so I can leave.

[@saradf4890]

I agree. If she hit him on purpose why would she want to be the one to find him? I'd think it would be better for her NOT to be the one to find him!

[@hnraj9441]

​@@origamikiddo2625 i wonder if she said she'd go back to his house until he got home so his niece wouldn't be alone. So she was waiting for him down on the couch and fell asleep.

[@MimiDidi121]

Carrie is the most credible witness so far imho!

[@Xtinamariee]

The broken tail light really bothers me. To me it see it seems that the damage was done by an object like a baseball bat rather than the result of striking a person.

[@stellaallbright4750]

🎯

[@tinykitsune0387]

Or backing into another car like the defense said but we dont know because they arnt bringing technical witnesses

[@jenniferhess6099]

I think it's interesting in Kerry's testimony she said it was odd that Karen so quickly saw John in the mound of snow but only took her seconds after to figure out it was a body shape

[@hnraj9441]

Also kari was busy driving and karen was looking for him from a side window as they drove past. Easier to see from that perspective

[@TheSuccessfulHuman]

Here’s my process: first I watch the trial live and then after that I watch you and the lawyer you know to get perspective on what I just saw. Thank you very much.

[@helensmusings]

Me too lol, I also pop over to Andrea Burkhart afterwards and check out her thoughts because I've found they each pick up on different points.

[@buntybaggins536]

Me too! 😂

[@springer585]

Carrie is the most believable witness so far and is the ONLY one who has shown any emotion

[@TheCarolinaAsh]

Thank goodness for the timestamps. I got so excited when they put the searches up I jumped to my laptop to pull it closer and ended up restarting the video. lol. I am only at that part now and I am... today has been wild. Thanks for walking us through this Emily!

[@janeevans1859]

She looks so shocked when AJ says ‘but he is not your family’!

[@beokfoundation]

No one should be harassed like that, but Jen...everyone can tell you aren't telling the truth. You've at the VERY LEAST been evasive, if not out-right lied.

[@jillgott6567]

They have mocked Karen for crying , screaming, being upset over finding John . Even petty comments such as she didn't like John's " old " car is their attempt to give the impression she is pretentious. However, her past proves otherwise. She is a finance person dealing with numbers, hard facts and that gives somewhat the skill of emotional control. She is also considered knowledgeable in her field being given a position as an adjunct college instructor. Prosecution witnesses have even portrayed her as generous - helping John with the kids, rearranging her schedule during Covid to be with them, paying for dinner for most everyone on the Aruba trip, buying things for the kids etc. All of which does not add up to Murder !

[@karennotAkaren1]

How can it be that Karen said she was drinking and remembered nothing from the night before and then Jen said Karen told her they fought.

[@stellaallbright4750]

🎯

[@Missbehavin_NekaB]

She didn’t say that Karen told her that they fought. Jen said that she thought that maybe they got into an argument and that may be why they never came in the house.

[@karennotAkaren1]

trail day 14 at 4:14:53 Jen says “she told me again they had gotten into a fight”. I know she says it in at least 1 maybe 2 other times but she says it there

[@Missbehavin_NekaB]

@@karennotAkaren1 ok thanks. I’ll go back and look.

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

Imagine how sorry we would have all felt for Jen and her family if she had just gotten up there and pretended to be a nice person for a few hours.

[@jenniferhagerty1778]

And who’s the talker…hmmm. Jen McCabe is definitely the talker!