Forgotten Factions | Warhammer 40K Lore

[@christopheraaron1255]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Interex, the Kroot, Zoats, Slaan, or the Hrud.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

You know what, this video needs a part 2

[@christopheraaron1255]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary at least.

[@incardianify]

They mostly don't have models that can represent them.

[@Sara3346]

​@@incardianifyWhen was the last time the zoats had a major role in anything? Wasnt there like one in BS fortress media for a short time in the last ten years and then you'd have to go back to the 90s to find anything?

[@Sara3346]

​​​@@livefromtheblacklibraryThe administratum also has its own militarized squads that aren't considered part of the Guard but G.W does nothing with them. Which is a shame because like Firemen from Farenheight 451 in space on steroids is a pretty unique flavor at least in comparison to other factions. I wish I was remembering their name right now.

[@Tenchi593]

Actually the Raven Guard are in every single book, they're just so sneaky that you don't notice them

[@alexv1387]

Isn't that already the Alpha Legion?

[@felslipes]

​@@alexv1387you notice the Alpha legion, you only didn't recognize them sir Alpharius

[@undercovertakodachi4301]

​@@felslipesI see what's your point Lord Alpharius

[@dominusbalial835]

That's funny

[@Grimpo96]

Traitor Guard and Dark Mechanicum feel like the black sheep of Chaos. Squashed in the droves during our stories, but get no army rules except for Legend sheets or one off units.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Y E P

[@JustGimmeAFrakinName]

to be fair, just dirty up or kitbash them. realistically, if you want traitor guard, use guard and cultists as a mixed allies, no one is going to argue about it. dark mechanicum isn't going to happen because they can't even get the CSM mix of daemon and tech done right. those armies may have a small fanbase but they don't carry enough distinctiveness to matter, mechanically.

[@deltaturnip9247]

I mean traitor guard do have models

[@ShadowlessFist]

Traitor Guard that actually use tactics and tanks/artillery like the Sons of Sek and the Blood Pact, should be a thing on the tabletop.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

If they get around bringing the mechanicum fw heresy models to plastic we might see them coming to 40k, though with their current stance that would seem unlikely, but things can change. The reality is that gw have too many spinning plates for doing much of this sort of thing, especially at present where they have a distinct shortage of writing and creative staff as lots have either left to go it alone or long standing staff who have left due retirement. Plus the continuing logistics and production troubles they have. They have a new season of kiĺl team to start soon, a campaign leading to probably anew edition for aos, and the old world coming out over the next year as well as the range refreshing in both aos and 40k, 40k especially with probably dark angels getting a big range update, votann and world eaters getting the 2nd half of their range and probably late in the edition emperor's children.

[@seminoleboy96]

Legion of the damned… everyone who fights with them forgets about it

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

SHIT GOOD POINT

[@MWH12085]

It could potentially be one of The Lost two.

[@Hiihtopipa]

​@@MWH12085its not

[@jtrain9926]

​@@MWH12085 they arent, they're just a dope paint job of a one off model from the old Eavy Metal painting guide.

[@Alexander59059]

@@MWH12085 Nope, it’s been all but confirmed that the damned are daemons.

[@connorsmith1005]

Pretty sure Aeldar Exodites appear numerous times in The Infinite and The Divine. They don't play a super important role but the descriptions of their weapons, attire and mounts creates a stirring image of a very swift and ferocious foe.

[@Relfar2]

Yep, that's the only reason I know about them!

[@JonathanErwin]

Yeah I was just about to say exodites and Ole trazyn go a ways back

[@kingbyrd.1512]

I liked their appearances in the book. Despite them getting destroyed by Trazyn they still put up a good fight, especially near the end. Their weapons, clothing, mounts and culture/beliefs are very compelling. I would not mind a book made about them. You could even have Trazyn talk about them and monitor them so we can get more info.

[@sethrinker9944]

Yup, this

[@curtiswaibel3521]

Yup I just got to that part of the book yesterday, still makes me wish they had real models!

[@doubledeputyd4242]

Its me, I am the Forgotten faction. Praise Malal.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

When will you finish getting the milk?

[@doubledeputyd4242]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary When my fellow Malal cultists stop "accidentally" dying during communion.

[@doubledeputyd4242]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary I even got 11 likes on this comment, praise Malal the 11th Primarch

[@Nishom0926]

It will be funny If EMPEROR OF MANKIND IS ACTUALLY MALAL Because BOTH ARE ANTHEMA TO CHOAS GODS. AND SONS OF MALAL HAVE STUNNING ARMOUR DESIGN WITH BLACK AND WHITE WITH GOLDEN HIGH LIGHTS. THEIR FAVORITE SONG DEFINITELY IS " ALL I SEE IS BLACK AND WHITE"

[@Jack-0-lantern]

I think the popularity of Kasrkin are the reason the Tempestus scions are being overlooked. Their basically the scions with more personality.

[@JustGimmeAFrakinName]

and even less models.

[@NagosCrit]

Haven't kasrkins been retconned as a type of Scion trooper?

[@Jack-0-lantern]

@@NagosCrit No. Scions are trained from the beginning to be special Forces and are usually pulled from the nobility. The Kasrkin are pulled from the standard Cadian regiments to be given more specific training. The reason they're more liked is because they still have that everyman feel to them, just even more badass then your average Cadian. The scions are kind of dicks due their background of both being from noble stock and being taught from an early age to be emotionless killers.

[@Azoth86730]

I always liked Mark Bedford's pewter Stormtroopers more than the plastic Tempestus Scions. Mark Bedford Stormtroopers made for great Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.

[@mrdoot0730]

​@@NagosCritThey have actually been mire divided, as Kasrkin are the Cadian grenadiers and elite vanguard, but Tempestus Scions are elite paratroopers with Deep Strike capabilities

[@NBeaver-bx4yl]

Really weird how they introduced Votann with very few lore and left them there for like a year. So they are part of the setting, but kinda not linked with it. They just chilling. We have no stories of them, no wars, great campaigns etc...

[@oatlord]

Yeah they're kind of just..... out of view.

[@NBeaver-bx4yl]

​@@oatlord after thorough research, we have gotten some small additional lore. We got a hearthguard One shoting a Night lord with his concussion gauntlet. The kronus Hegemony in a war with Orks and an ark of omen. The greater Thurian league having cleaned a world of orcs and secured an artefact( chaos then started attacking the League, so a war is going on there). We also have a blood angel strike force fleeling because they didnt want to get anihilated by a Kronus Fleet. I think thats all that was found in the arks of omen books and other random releases.

[@declanoconnor3445]

Well as far as I know they were kinda locked away? Sealed idk they j weren't fucking with anything outside of the galactic core cus of warp shenanigans or something beyond BUT I do know that there was something that was preventing others from getting in their "realm as it were

[@NBeaver-bx4yl]

@@declanoconnor3445 well from what we got, they were never sealed away, but stayed Isolated and only sent out scouting parties for trade. The rest of the world has some encounters with them, but very few. The main reason nobody really saw them before was that the core is an extremely dangerous place to travel and basically impossible to establish colonies. So most factions didnt care about it(other than orcs and necrons). Plus the leagues worked extremely hard to conceal their true identity to other factions. Using weaker technologies when interacting with them and all. The great rift simply shattered a part of the Leagues, thus they had to spring up into actions as they couldnt just lay back anymore. They had to get proactive.

[@declanoconnor3445]

Ah yes that's what I mean not sealed away per se it's j that nobody could really get to them

[@mattyl8995]

A tempestis scion is one of the main secondary characters in the book, Honorbound. Their squad is featured a lot in that book and they are crucial to the plot.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Ahhh I see, I’ll look into that one

[@maxrander0101]

and they are in most games that have any inquisition troops in them

[@DefaultProphet]

As a Raven guard stan I have to agree iron hands are even more obscure but it’s counter balanced by iron hands fairly consistently being one of the best space marine factions on the tabletop

[@Maelum_]

According to lexicanum, the Crusade of the Sons of Malice was to reclaim their homeworld.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Yeah but we never heard about it :(

[@imperialrecruitment7383]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary I thought there was something about GW didn't have the rights to Malice, or something like that. Probably just figure it's not worth the hassle to deal with it.

[@fdgdfgdffdg345]

@@imperialrecruitment7383 There's a rumor that supposedly states that one of the original guys behind 40k somehow had the rights to Malal/Malice due to some weird copyright legal shenanigans and when he left the company GW, supposedly, decided that it wasn't worth the time and effort to use the concept of a 5th Chaos God and essentially memoryholed the Sons of Malice and Malal himself.

[@ipot399]

@@fdgdfgdffdg345 Yes, the creator of Malal does own the rights to him, not GW; he was a freelance artist, but not one of the original creators. However, that all happened in Warhammer Fantasy. Malal was never at any point a part of 40K, no matter how much fans conflate him with Malice. It is possible GW opted not to go forward with Malice if they did receive some cease and desist letter from that artist's lawyer, and GW thought it wasn't worth litigating, I don't know, that's just speculation on my part. Malice and Malal are pretty similar, which is a shame, because the Sons of Malice are extremely aesthetic.

[@corbinibroc]

I am a Iron Hands, Tempestus Scions, Sons of Malice fan and I feel this pain every day

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

😔🤝

[@advocatusdiaboli9971]

I believe the harlequin have to be featured scarcely by design. It adds to their aura of mysticism and complexity and the 12315412312-D Chess the Trickster is supposed to be playing. If they get a lot of attention, it is inevitable that they become "understandable" to the reader, which we can not have!

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Yeah that’s a good point

[@EddyOfTheMaelstrom]

Too bad they're being phased out of the tabletop.

[@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs]

​@EddyOfTheMaelstrom they aren't being phased out.... they're still extremely usable in the Aeldari Index, and will definitely get their own detachments in the Aeldari Codex.

[@krissteel4074]

Adeptus Arbites + Penal legions used to be one of my favourite imperial guard-esque types of armies from the mid-90s. Lots of cheap convict human waves and some strapped human bombs mixed in with some 'rear line encouragement' with heavy stubbers. One out of two gets the autogun, the one without follows him with a prison shank

[@XD-sc4ix]

Well the arbitrators did got a kill-team model range which I've heard it's also compatible with necromunda but don't take my word for the latter

[@wraithdino1217]

@@XD-sc4ix theyre kinda usable in necromunda. necromunda has an enforcer faction which use the same guns that the arbites do so people have been using them as close proxies

[@krissteel4074]

@@XD-sc4ix I've still got an Escher gang from the 90's and I gave my Ratskins away to a mate. An old friend from back then had Enforcers and Van Sar gangs so they used to be very nice models in 25mm. Think Necromunda now is 28mm but I live about 6hr away from the nearest GW-shop and couldn't really tell you one way or another. Kill team might have been 25mm as well.

[@elijahherstal776]

@@XD-sc4ix the compatability is... notionally there. The Enforcers in Necromunda can take things like a Bolter, a concussion carbine, etc. The thing is you *could* make them proxies... but there's certain weapons you'll absolutely want to take, so it'll take more than 'proxy'- you'll need to do some kitbashing if you want their better gear. Not to mention: Arbites are on a 28mm base. Enforcers come in two varieties: Palanites (25mm) and Subjugators (32mm).

[@MrBobwins]

Damn shame because Tempestus Scions are some of the coolest models they make.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

YEAH

[@herberthoover1257]

a bitch to build/paint tho

[@ShadowlessFist]

Considering what they did recently with the Kasrkin, it would be greatly appreciated if GW gave us a little more in terms of Tempestus scions. The 5 model box that they have been flogging since release was good for its time but kind of limited in terms of weapon loadouts and poses. A full 10 Man squad would be great, as would enough special weapons

[@elijahherstal776]

Honestly I would say that Scions as a kit are worse than Kasrkin. Unless I'm mistaken- there's nothing you can get out of a Scion kit that isn't in a Kasrkin kit- and the Kasrkin is $15 USD more and comes with twice the models.

[@jamalsodipe772]

Everyone be talking about the tapesta Scion, but no one be talking about the Lucifer blake

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

I’m pretty sure they’re considered Scions, just like THE BEST scions

[@jamalsodipe772]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary I'm pretty sure that the lucifers Are the progenitals to the tempesta science?

[@Zeetro360]

"The Iron Hands have no important characters" Iron Father Feirros miniature: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Sadly yes 😔

[@YourHighnessIV]

I thought this was Forgotten Fractions and wondered what maths I had missed in the last decade, love the content cant wait for the iron warriors video

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

AYYY THANKS! Just be warned like half of it is me explaining why my life is hell and how the iron warriors inspire me to keep going lol

[@isuckatusernames4297]

meh, maths are already chaotic enough

[@Ghost3210]

Legion of the Damned, Sons of Malice and Exodite Eldar are such classics, who hopefully will have a return someday as well. Also the Blood Ravens will always have a special place in my heart, but I feel like they died with Damn of War 3 for the franchise. Meanwhile Fans still paint their armies in the Blood Raven colors.

[@yangwendi]

eldar exodites are mention for the first chapter of Infinite and the divine. But you're right that they should be brought back and its a damn shame they aren't being featured in the recent setting development. I know GW can work with the dinosaur/lizard models so combining those and eldar units should be a no brainer.

[@jmgonzales7701]

dont really like space elves, im more of a dwarf fan

[@jan-timolobner]

This secessionist human empire sounds amazing. Please be so kind and keep us updated IF, an this is a gigantic IF, there is anymore lore to be gained from them or even something new comes out.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

It’s highly unlikely they’ll ever be mentioned again but IF they are I def would!

[@jan-timolobner]

@livefromtheblacklibrary Sweet, thank you very much.

[@EddyOfTheMaelstrom]

Check out the Badab War. It's the SD but like, actually fleshed out over several books. It also has the best obscure Space Marine chapters ever. I believe over 30 chapters exist because of the Badab War lore.

[@jan-timolobner]

@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom That sounds pretty good, I'll see if I can find audio books for it. You wouldn't have any recommendations for that, right?

[@mranderson718]

“Something new comes out” LOL LMAO, even.

[@farseeraradrel4808]

A bit late to the party here, but two things about the Severan Dominate : 1. They've not been "forgotten" per say. By concept, the fate of the Dominate is left completely undecided so that whatever happens in your Only War campaign can conclude the story. The same goes for the other factions and regions of the "Dark Heresy" factions and locations (although, with the Cicatrix Maledictum, we have a few idea on what happend to a lot of these and it's grim...) 2. In effect, the Severan Dominate is an example of something anyone in the community could do but we rarely see it. They're basically an Imperial Guard army turned rebellious that made their own small cut of the Galaxy and defend it against Imperials, Xenos and Chaos alike. In reality, anyone in the community could do the exact same, you'd just need to remove the Imperial symbols of off any Guard unit (maybe add different one for to deepen the cultural difference).

[@minkernator]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking watching the vid.. that these guys are just a named example of probably a pretty common instance. Breakaway Republics or Dictatorships getting a few decades, maybe centuries of time away from the sway of Big E until they are crushed by the gaurd or subsumed by chaos or just wrecked by any of the other factions

[@yermae]

Malice actually gets mentioned in dialogue between the players in 40k darktide where one will talk about seeing a wolf in there dreams of pure malice or something along them lines which is a nice mention to those who know know the lore !!

[@Hegataro]

Also difficulty level 3 is literally called Malice

[@MaxZeCat]

They use malice like as the word, to do evil, same with the difficulties. It's britts in space of course! Lol

[@ColCoal]

Exodites are important to me, they are technically playable characters in my TTRPG.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

OHHHHH THATS COOL!

[@ColCoal]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary Yea most factions you can think of have subclasses. Minus Necrons, Squats, Ratlings and a few minor things. Necrons probably the biggest thing that doesn't have a class or subclass because I have no idea what trait they would have or how I would build/balance them. If you want a link to the ruleset/character building pdfs/ what I have done of the first campaign you can have them if you want.

[@FifingFossil]

Rangdans are most forgotten. They nearly synthesize Emperor face with ground, but three are no info about them

[@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs]

That's because they got annihilated and no longer exist 😂 you've heard of the Rangdan Xenocide yeah?

[@martintheaquilanshield3917]

Games Workshop🤝The Adeptus ministradum= being so bloated that they forget more than half of everything they have.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

PFFFFFFTTTT LMFAO

[@gigamoumantai2696]

The Imperium in the Nutshell.

[@yamibakura8597]

I recently read "The Infinite and the Divine" and in the beginning of that book, Trazyn is trying to rob a bunch of Eldar Exodites. I had no clue who or what they were, other than weird Eldar. I did not think they were their own weird sub-faction. Also, the Dark Mechanicum is a gold mine of unrealized potential that is criminally underrepresented.

[@ChrisKCook]

I love the Exodites. What's not to like about Dinosaur Riding Amish Space Elves?

[@brayanfisk8769]

A general of the severan dominate: exodites I am general bile of the severan dominate you are now under the protection of the severan dominate

[@someirishguy1662]

Stormtroopers are like the SAS of the Guard, absolutely elite in every circumstance and utilised for lightening raids. They are 1 in 100k compared to Space Marines 1 in a million imo, they have gone toe to toe with marines and done pretty well, HotShot weapons can punch through heavy armor with ease

[@teejay1646]

Sounds kinda redundant compared to space marines ngl

[@someirishguy1662]

@@teejay1646 far more stormtroopers than marines, they are ODSTs to Spartan Soliders, also not a massive resource if they are lost compared to marines, so yeah the help bridge a middle ground

[@ZarMationStudios18]

Note that it's stated how Vashtorr wants to become *a* Chaos God - it's not specifically stated that he wants to be the Fifth. If both he and Malice succeed in their goals, we could have Six gods of Chaos - and that would coincide with a so-called "number of the beast" in our own world's lore.

[@iancasleton6356]

If you're going by that then 3 is already like that in that it's mocking the trinity.

[@pattyspapers9440]

They don't have any named characters, but Exodites do appear in the Infinite and the Devine. Their world ends up getting taken over by the humans but you know, they are there. Trayzn captures some in his pokeballs.

[@r.cdahuman7682]

Im a massive Sons of Malice fan, and ive noticed there is this strange idea in the fandom that for some reason they arent canon. This is likely because Malal, the chaos god from Fantasy, and Malice are often mistaken fir the same guy. Malal is in fact, noncanon, due to some old copyright issues. He' not been mentioned at all since that fustercluck. Malice however, is a god only mentioned in 40k, and he's absolutely canon. Like you say, its kind of up in the air rn if hes a chaos "god", but it would be a very easy fix for gw to just say "actually he's a chaos Demigod, just like Vashtorr. The Sons of Malice just worship him as the 5th god." And as for the harlequins. Chrono you are absolutely right. They are amazing. Remember in the mephiston books where the harlequins artifically induced the Black Rage in the blood angels? Yeah, they just fucking did that. It would be AWESOME to see them take center stage in some more stories. Get it. Take center stage? Sorry ill take my exit..... To stage left.

[@demonic_myst4503]

They stated he is a lesser god not a true chaos god look it up

[@liamwilliams8452]

With Arcs Of Omen ending with Vashtor gaining access to the Web Way, I think we'll see more of the Harlequins in the follow up to that.

[@gringolikeme3564]

As someone whose favorite chapters are the iron hands and ravenguard i felt this video hard. I would absolutely love for legion of the damned Manus to be canon it would be such a good way to breath new life into the faction

[@WingdingsChickenhead]

Exodite Eldar were featured in The Infinite And The Divine and they put up a fight against Trazyn. But they were mostly chaff there too.

[@tarazzzs]

The Exodites....they have so much potential.

[@brayanfisk8769]

A general of the severan dominate: exodites I am general bile of the severan dominate you are now under the protection of the severan dominate

[@coltonlong7562]

Well, the Exodites come up in The Infinite and the Divine in a pretty fair sized role of the opening, and the whole book takes place on that Maiden World across millions of years.

[@TankCommanderWatchdog]

Traitor guard in general. You can stretch a lot of armies in order to play as different factions. For example, with all the teleporting that they do you could easily use the grey knight ruleset to represent some legion of the damned jumoing into real space smd doing their jobs before hopping away. Or what ive d9ne with GSC and turn them into a "Khorne-Stealer Cult" where i use the more melee focus side of the gac book and its emphasis on characters doing awesome things as representation for a mortal cult of Khorne. I have also done a more generic thing of using the imperial guard rules and play traitor guard but theres no way for me to incoude daemons or daemon engines in games with those as kuch as i would like. We've had the kost and the dakned as playable factions before, i think the oast time there were rules printed for them were the imperial armor books from 4th or 5th edition, but the traitor guard represent a giant unseen faction against the imperium that people either never hear about or think are fringe because apparently GW oore studios thinks that traitor guard regiments are more rare than traitor marine chapters based on how many we hear about and even have names for. Theres so much untapped potential for them that could fit a niche for the CSM and Daemon players such as good shooting support outside of obliterators and forgerfiends, and allowing huard to bring daemons and csm could give them staying power, really neat cinematics of bringing grester daemons alongside giant tanks, and give the guard some melee shock troops or just general melee power.

[@death31313]

The Eldar Exodites were featured in The Infinite And The Divine if I'm not mistaken. As I recall there may have even been a named Farseer who was riding a Trex though I'm not 100% on that part

[@leopedroza4461]

As an Iron Hands fan, my bias is automatically for my Iron Bois. Which is sad because their two main line books had a really interesting plot brewing with their relationship with the Mechanicus and how toxic it was. Would love to see it play out

[@khazngray]

I loved the look of Kasrkin and Steel Legion. You can get the same Steel Legion vibe from Krieg though.

[@JustGimmeAFrakinName]

i much prefer the Steel Legion as they come without the unfortunate historical connotations. alas, you'll never see them again due to conflict of interest with the Krieg. I think Steel Legion hits with a better Firefly/Serenity "Browncoats" vibe.

[@MichaelBrown-gc6li]

Honestly I'm surprised they have not made exodites into a faction, it really seems like an untapped market for games workshop, especially now that harlequins are more of like navy breachers for eldar and drukari now, also alien dinosaur riding space elfs is just cool. Honestly just make the dark mechnicum a support unit In chaos armies, I would love them to be there own faction but I feel gw won't see much of a reason to make new models

[@markr8755]

I always felt the Harlequins was the army for people with little time or money that could paint really well. I still have mine, unfinished. One box of Harlequins, a couple of robots, and two walkers.

[@grosstoastie1216]

I'm pretty sure Malice/Malal got kind of forgotten about by GW because of some weird IP/copyright issues with one of the authors. I want to say it was WesHammer who did a video talking about it in greater detail.

[@Capt.DanInJapan]

Yep. Even the early Realm of Chaos books didn't mention Malal or Malice. I think the only mention of Malal as a Chaos God was in the Warhammer 3rd Edition book and the RPG of the same era. Of course, there have been mentions after that, most notably the old Horus Heresy black books but beyond that, nothing.

[@Hiihtopipa]

They were last mentioned very recently in darck crusade, and after that about a year ago in a book so im not sure did they forget about him.

[@demonic_myst4503]

No his name change is caused by it but thats nkt why he ignored he ignored because he isnt a chaos god he a minor warp god he is on level with vashtor atm

[@demonic_myst4503]

Meaning unlike his fantasy version where he could actualy challenge and fight the other chaos gods his 40k equivilent would be destroyed in seconds by any of the four chaos gods

[@Goblinhandler]

Malice and Malal are different things Malal is the one affected by copyright Malice is just kinda forgotten because they want to

[@Turnil321]

A Memory of Tharsis (by Josh Reynolds) has the dark Mechanicum as the main antagonist

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

True but still, that’s a short story from 6 years ago

[@spookyghostwriter3110]

Spoilers: In the Horror novel Sepulturum, the Dark Mech are the ones behind the plot of the book.

[@Turnil321]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary Heart of Iron from noman is a good Iron man story (it is fan-made).

[@chinmaymenon887]

​@@livefromtheblacklibraryall of Titanicus by Dan Abnett is basically Mechanicus vs Dark Mechanicum. There are traitor Skitarrii, Titans and more

[@SadisticDouble]

Always thought Exodites should be in the game. Maybe not as a major faction, but a minor one to fill out the world and you can do a lot of interesting things with them: ambushers akin to Genestealers, deep strike shenanigans, magic to manipulate the battlefield. And you cannot convince me that space wizards riding dinosaurs wouldn't sell to at least the model builders

[@andresmarrero8666]

Correction. Space wizards riding dinosaurs with laser cannons. They could literally stick a weather machine on a sauropod and have it summon storms and lightning.

[@SadisticDouble]

@@andresmarrero8666 ah, my mistake

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@SadisticDouble don't take it too seriously. I know no more on them than you. They have so much untapped potential that makes them perfect for a protagonist faction. They have non arrogant elves, spirit magic, space tech, and dinosaurs which greatly benefits from our expanded understanding of them. Let's face it, the imperial cult has long since killed humanity, they are no longer human. Besides I can totally see the Exodite elves traveling around in biotech meteors that serves as a backup/extension of their world spirit and a terraforming seed in case something terrible happens to their maiden world.

[@michaelmayr1990]

The Eldar Exodites are in the “Infinite and Divine” but as “obstacles”. The iron hands have their own space marine battles book. I cannot remember the title, but it was quite bad ass. There are some other factions that are mentioned in other comments that I would’ve liked to have heard of, or at least mentioned

[@vorpalkickass8825]

Low key sad that Malal is completely abandoned. It was a very interesting concept. A spacemarine chapter that fights both chaos and the imperium.

[@a.walker7366]

There’s a few named Exodites in that Dark Eldar trilogy actually. Two worldsingers play prominent roles.

[@sim.frischh9781]

As far as i got it, the Dark Mechanicum was wiped out during the Horus Heresy, and only some Heretechs with a more spiritual connection are left today, not capable of the great technological achievements and feats of the original. On most of your choices, i agree. I only ever heard about the Severan Dominate from Arch who made a longer video about them. With the Sons of Malice, they SHOULD be more prevalent as they are a key aspect of binding Malal legally into WH40k, but that might also be the reason they are so left aside.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

DM were like wiped out, they were driven from mars at the end of the heresy (probably immediately afterwards when they retook mars of they may have abandoned mars without a fight, seeing the writing on the wall) and fled to the Eye of Terror with the traitor legions

[@killerzillavolt2655]

I'd say the Lucifer Blacks are more forgotten than the Tempestus Scions. The Lucifers are even better non-augmented humans that protect the Golden Throne.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

I should have included them yeah

[@alwaystestinggravity4268]

I started playing in seventh addition and began with the Harlequin’s. They are still my main army (still crying I haven’t had my own separate codex in many editions lol) I’m always sadden how little time they get in the light because they are such a cool faction.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Yeah :( thought again they’re not easy to write for

[@alwaystestinggravity4268]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary oh no not at all lol but they are a fun and interesting faction. I do love their audio dramas though, they are so well done.

[@makeitrain280]

I know there’s rumors that Exodites are gonna be a new Killteam so hopefully that leads to them getting to see some more focus. I’d love it to if Kill team also ended up adding in other lesser known groups from the lore like the Dominace, or Tau Auxiliary species, etc

[@jordiscreationstation]

Would really love to see more of the Black Dragons chapter. Can't think of a more interesting loyalist narrative potential

[@petra4385]

Our focus on the sons of malice being compared to a random guy with a hat in the background makes it sound like they're a tf2 microcelebrity in the background of a random tf2 video

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

PFFFFTTTT I MEAN YOURE NOT WRONG

[@ProjectNathaniel]

This is super interesting, especially because if you consider the tapletop, guys like the Harlequins actually have gotten a pretty solid amount of representation for how little they appear in the lore.

[@user-uy8uq8bj7r]

One faction that i really would like to see becaming a army is chaos guardsmen

[@TheDethBringer666]

Gotta wonder if Malal would've had a major role in a Horus victory. What better way to destroy chaos than by its ex-champion conspiring with the 5th column/god?

[@XD-sc4ix]

Not really it's pretty much confirmed that horus was ascending to become the dark King another chaos god

[@TheDethBringer666]

@@XD-sc4ix I refuse to believe a man, particularly one the chaos gods could simply yank the plug from at the last moment, was about to become Player5 in the Great Game.

[@XD-sc4ix]

@@TheDethBringer666 it was perhaps horus wouldn't have become the dark King but he would have aided in it's birth at the time especially since it's implied that the dark King can still be born if the emperor manages to ascend

[@deltaturnip9247]

Well the eldar exodites are in the begining of the infinite and the divine and as for the severan dominate they do have a wiki page so im pretty sure there canon

[@jacobmacock]

Exodites are briefly mentioned in the Infinite and Divine. But yea I really want more Dark Mechanicum. They could be so gooooood

[@alaskametaverse8882]

Exodite Eldar are featured in The Infinite, and The Devine. There are a couple pretty cool battles with dinosaurs and everything.

[@ianyoder2537]

Personally I hope that if the dark mecanicum dies make a come back that it's not gonna be chaos related and more focused on xeno tech, AI, and other tech heresy. Or if they do make a dark mecanicum they should also have a traitor guard, and an equivalent of the sororitas. Just full send the emporium but chaos. While I'm here, combine the grey nights, inquisition, assassins, and some other stuff like the arbites into their own cohesive faction.

[@omnissiah3212]

Some correction: The exodites were actually featured in The Infinite and The Divine's first chapters. Of course they were genocided by the necrons, and one of their dinosaur was used as a stop table by a ghost-arc.... But non the last they were in that book, and played a role in Trazyn's and Orikan's game.

[@luisenriquegalicia490]

In the infinite and the divine trazyn the infinite steals the soul gem in possession of some exodites, he managed to barely escape and captured some for his collection, and in some point he uses them to fight as a small army and when I read it I thought it was pretty cool, didn’t know how neglected they were by gw

[@eternalvibe9083]

Can't wait for a team up between Vashtorr and Be'lakor to take on Malice. It would be sick for him to return as the big reveal of a new chaos god.

[@strawberrypuddin8919]

I love that the sons of malice barely exist in lore!! It makes them such an enigma

[@charliecole4430]

The sad thing about iron hands is that there's some real good stories with them but there's fuck all done with them.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

IKR?! They have a VERY unique culture compared to other chapters with the clans of Medusa and such but we just never get much with them

[@theknightly1]

The exodites are also in the Infinite and the Divine, that's who holds the world Trazyn and Orikan keep going back to at the very beginning. Trazyn fights some dino riders.

[@colin1177]

GW didn't forget about Malal. The writer who wrote Malal took it took the rights when he left GW.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

The problem with exodites I think is that they are static to a single world. GW would have to introduce a reason for them to regularly leave their home worlds for them to become significantly more common in the lore.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Dark Mechanicum did get those Negavolt Cultists & I assume you can paint/convert your Knights to be from a Dark Mechanicum Hellforge. That being said, they’re really underutilized. Maybe they’ll get a release in 10th or at least a detachment in the AdMech codex. Iron Hands really have been overlooked. If the Shattered Legions stories in the HH series weren’t overshadowed by better novels/stories maybe they’d be more prominent. I will say they’ve had a few instances of meta relevance on the tabletop, but nothing long lasting. I really, really, really wish the Exodites would get some love. I still remember a fan army list posted in the old Citadel Journal & that’s it.

[@robadc]

The Exodites show up for a bit in *The Infinite And The Divine*. I haven't read far into the book but the opening set up has Trazyn Indiana Jones'ing some stuff from them. Doubt they'll show up again later in the book but what little we see of them is good.

[@jeremybott4899]

Commissar Cain has a mission with a squad of stormtroopers in his 2nd book i believe. He even mentions their training since childhood together in the scholar progenium.

[@jonasholm-mw5bn]

13:27 there could probably be a good story about someone training and doing their best to hopefully become a space marine. But he’s just below the standards to get recruited, so he keeps on training and becomes a tempestus scion instead

[@youwannaknoweh]

Considering the way GW treats the Eldar, I’m kind of fine with the Exodites being overlooked.

[@SeanCrosser]

It's the year 2XXX Exodites got an entire model range and new Codex All the lore is "so-and-so Maiden World was destroyed by Space Marines/Chaos Marines/Necrons/Imperial Guard/Votann" GW: "we saw how the community rallied around Imperial Guard after the fall of Cadia, so we decided that that would be a great basis to make the Exodites better by making sure every engagement has real stakes to the Exodite world they're defending"

[@Alexander59059]

As a diehard fan of the iron hands and the legion of the damned I desperately want new models for both, and a damned Ferrus would be the single most badass model ever made. Also as one of the eleven Malal fans I love him sliding between cannon and non-cannon, it’s very in character.

[@yellowdancer7055]

HH has quality IH characters... is sad there are none in 40k setting. Also another great unique vid

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Thanks! And yeah that was the kicker, no characters in the current lore or recent books

[@Nishom0926]

It will be funny If EMPEROR OF MANKIND IS ACTUALLY MALAL AND SONS OF MALAL HAVE STUNNING ARMOUR DESIGN WITH BLACK AND WHITE WITH GOLDEN HIGH LIGHTS. THEIR FAVORITE SONG DEFINITELY IS " ALL I SEE IS BLACK AND WHITE"

[@K_1_T_S_U_N_E]

The problem with Malice is that he is to similar to Malal. The name is similar, he does basically the same things as Malal, and his followers use the same colours and symbols. But Malal can't be used because to of copyright problems. So to not end up with another copyright dispute they never mention him directly. For example, he was mentioned indirectly in Horus Heresy 8, under the name Mirror of Hatred.

[@nicholassimon540]

If there’s ever a part 2, please mention the Blood Pact! THEYRE SO FUCKING COOL

[@komiks42]

Dark mechanicum is treated poorly. Like, you know that one trait of mechanicum, that is lack of inventing new stuff? You know who don't have rule against it? Dark mechanicum. They are free to do what they want.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

YEAH we should see a lot more of their handiwork

[@ts25679]

What do you think about an Exodite army using their World Spirits and Bone Singers to raise armies of wraith constructs? I imagine the Bone Singers and Seers acting a bit like synapse creatures controlling specific units. I also imagine snake like mobile battlements so you can move your firing lines/heavy weapons.

[@Coproquim]

The Exodites are featured heavily in The Infinite and The Divine

[@ts25679]

I do like the idea that rampant chaos brings it's own destruction, one would think Malice and "chaos undivided" would share symbology, but I stand behind my belief that Fear is the ultimate chaos aspect and should be a chaos god itself. Fear of death, disease, famine, disorder, change, violence and the insidious hungering dark are common across most, if not all, sentient organic life. These fears help fuel and empower the four. Perhaps if Malice does bring and end to Chaos, Fear can be its rebirth.

[@Ratman36]

What no one knows is that the skaven have been in 40k since the first book but people forgot because the skaven wants to stay in the shadow to prepare for the Conquest of the Galaxy.... ALL HAIL THE GREAT HORNED RAT YES-YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@musicalDrebin]

great video! though i will say me and some friends played only war for three years, tweaked things where we wanted, and made some unforgettable moments and characters. it's honestly really solid if you know what you're getting into

[@nosaurian]

Great video! here's MY list: #1: Exodites (but of course) #2: Legion of the Damned #3: Kroot #4: Hrud #5: Those insects who fight with the Tau

[@Sara3346]

Thank you, this video was like a hug to my soul.

[@Deathwing-Y2K]

I always wanted a dinosaur army.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

EXODITE DINO ARMY GW PLEASE

[@Streygenmoment]

I wanna make a Severan Dominate Army using Tempestus Scions, Tanks and Ogryns/Bullgryns

[@brayanfisk8769]

Me to but not only one army you see I discovered that two kroot mercenary warbands the oathbreakers and the bonegnashers work for the severan dominate so I plan to make one severan dominate army and severan dominate mercenary armies of orks kroots exodites and many more each lead by a severan dominate general

[@xenowarsgames3806]

Oh, the reason that Dark Mechanicum doesn't exist in the table top is because the guy that was supposed to work on that was supposed to finish the loyalist line, then make the dark mechanicum versions later but neither happened because he literally fucking died of a heart attack.

[@johndoe5432]

Nailed it with the Iron Hands, they were a founding legion with a primarch and I still feel like I know next to nothing about them.

[@Azoth86730]

I still mourn the loss of my Inquisitorial Stormtroopers as a Troops choice for the Inquisition to this day. The Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were the backbone of any Radical Daemonhunters armies back in 3rd Edition since they were the only available mandatory Troops choice upon fielding a Daemonhost, Unbound Daemon or Adversaries (Daemon Packs, Greater Daemon, Daemonvessel). Inquisitorial Stormtroopers Veteran Sergeant wielding a Thunder Hammer right out of the Daemonhunters armoury was a sight to behold, and they were great for objective control, loaded up in Rhinos. I have fond memories of my Radical Daemonhunters army, eschewing Grey Knights in favour of the Daemonhosts was unpredictably fun.

[@kyrtuck]

In Siege of Castellax, an Iron Warriors novel, they didn't even have Hereteks, just regular Tech Priests that were bullied into working for the Iron Warriors, which I thought was odd.

[@StormDunakin]

I feel like Blood Ravens are heading in that direction. Last we heard, they got Geneseed that they are keeping secret from Gabriel Angelos years ago. They were pretty popular years ago, but anything about them seems to have died out.

[@Magus_on_Main]

Tbh I would let Vashtorr become a chaos god, but this could offend Malal so much that he manifests in turn

[@alpharius6781]

GW didn't forget Malal they lost him to copyright.

[@gr8m887]

I honestly would love to see a story about the Severan Dominate being invaded by the Imperium. With the Drukhari pulling the strings, I think it would be cool to see more level headed and Xenos hating chapters, like the Salamanders and White Scars, have to balance between trying to win back the citizens of the rogue sector or simply going full crusade on them, something the Inquisition might pressure them to do instead of help these people.

[@codycurtin2295]

The longest run time the Tempestus Scions have gotten are being bodyguards to the historitors in The Wolftime. A full on novel could be done though, we got a Karsikin one so why not the next step up? Also, the new Assassinorum novel was top fucking tier so there is a beautiful place for the elite of the elite of humanity.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Ohhhh what was the assassinorum novel called?

[@codycurtin2295]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary Assassinorum: Kingmaker !

[@EstradusTheDragon]

It took like 2 years of being in this hobby to realize the iron hands and the imperial fists were different legions - or the iron hands and iron warriors. Somewhere between those three it turned out I had no idea who the iron hands were. So yeah; I agree; Iron hands is the most unknown legion.