Scanning The Internet for Minecraft Servers

I want to show you another Minecraft related project of mine. I tried to scan the whole internet for servers. For what? Well.... you will see.
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Episode 06:
00:00 - Let's Play: Building
04:21 - Some Thoughts on Griefing
09:42 - Griefing vs. Reporting Vulnerabilities
11:05 - Building a Minecraft Server Scanner
17:48 - Exploring the Data
19:44 - Griefing Random Servers
24:36 - Let's Play: Iron and Sugarcane Farm
26:18 - Outro
Copyright Music:
C418 - Minecraft Soundtrack
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[@LiveOverflow]

I know the math on the rate-limiting doesn't check out hhaha. I realized it after editing. I think my hoster was already rate-limiting me as a customer. Also figured out the _jeb grief was not real. And I just wanted to make it clear, that I think the coders behind copenheimer are cool, but the users who have no clue and just grief servers are lazy.

[@Kat21]

Ok

[@BillyHudson1]

Tfw you grief people's survival games by hacking diamonds in.

[@0xnub404]

yesIshow theCredsInaVideo ez hacks!

[@ike__]

Btw when trading if you hit space it replaces items u are trading with - when u don’t have enough anymore in that slot

[@pablogirol]

Tried same configuration and my isp changed my public IP 8 times that I could count My switch rebooted by itself 3 times and had to reboot my PC to get it back working What a great experiment lol EDIT (few hours later): Seems like I sent millons of packets in a few minutes and my router got out of ram errors and overheating lol.

[@qookie]

BTW, you can tell Litematica to only display the schematic layer by layer, which makes building way easier

[@ah-64apache84]

and use middle mouse on the blocks

[@djreynolds922]

@@ah-64apache84 Or just toggle on 'EasyPlacement" and right click - it'll do the middle click and place with just rightclick.

[@ah-64apache84]

@@djreynolds922 dang i didnt know about that one, does it rotate stairs ect automatically as well?

[@Hack--rz1io]

@@ah-64apache84 I think it only does if you have servux or carpet-mod's accurateBlockPlacement enabled on the server But gotta get some testing in

[@sircalvin]

Putting you in adventure mode is honestly genius

[@LuLeBe]

Honestly if some random dude came onto my server and told me he developed a flying and x-ray mod and wanted to user to help me I'd totally not believe him. Especially not that he made it. Probably some 12yo who downloaded stuff to sound cool now.

[@KubikDezimeter]

Turns out all of them were just really nice programmers

[@ChillerDragon]

@@KubikDezimeter lmao

[@NameGoesHere285]

I think I would rather classify that massive amount of effort to find the developer's server just to grief him as STALKING. I do not know what griefing they ended up doing in the end, but the effort was clearly not on that, but in finding him, which isn't the same.

[@redacted8220]

you should have left signs so people would not be so confused and would not suspect one another of x-raying this kind of thing would scare the shit out of me tbh but I'm using a whitelist

[@redcrafterlppa303]

What security on an unlisted private minecraft server? 😂 There is no way to find these unless you are searching brute force like he did. This is not a huge issue.

[@redacted8220]

@@redcrafterlppa303 yeah true I realized security was not the best word after I posted the comment and was too lazy to edit what I meant was using things like whitelist for example now that I'm here and it gained so much likes I will fix it

[@benebene9525]

@@redcrafterlppa303 Actually there are a whole lot of people scanning the internet for minecraft servers. I used to get tons of bots randomly joining and leaving after a second, before i used a whitelist.

[@redcrafterlppa303]

@@benebene9525 he was talking about something about security before editing his comment. And it's not like hundreds of people would search the internet for minecraft servers. What would they do anyway? Grief the place? Hack one individual to hope to charge 100$ they likely won't pay. I don't see the problem.

[@tomashublik5586]

@@redcrafterlppa303 There are internet scanners that work 24/7 and you just filter the results. There are 229,250 minecraft servers with default port rn

[@lennarth.6214]

Inspired by you i tried quarry and found out that the server does not check the players position when updating a sign. So it is possible to change any sign from anywhere you want. You could for example make a live cinema with ascii art, maybe low fps but still cool

[@NameGoesHere285]

Does that only work in the chunks you're in/loaded chunks? Does it only work with your own signs? Sounds like it could be used maliciously for advertisement/spam, if you could change any sign from anywhere. The ascii art cinema sounds funny and like a great idea, I wonder if you would be able to see the "screen" refreshing row by row, if it was big enough.

[@leepicstitch]

@@NameGoesHere285 Minecraft already limits sign changes to only signs you have placed, so the spam issue is less of a problem.

[@lennarth.6214]

@@leepicstitch Yes, should have said that. When you try to do so, the server shows a warning in the logs, that you tried to write to an unauthenticated sign

[@lennarth.6214]

@@NameGoesHere285 I teleported myself away and changed the sign. When i came back, the text was updated.

[@asasinek4814]

Not again aaaaaaa

[@tomsturgeon100]

I'm a Software Engineer now partly because of writing Minecraft plugins when I was a teenager. I would have absolutely loved a series like this when I was growing up. I'm happy for all the kids today who get this great tech / hacking / SE content in such a relatable and interesting form.

[@lyoselli]

ha, I'm a sysadmin now for exactly the same reason, I hosted a buncha servers as a teen and then learned linux doing that and then got hired because of that knowledge.

[@misspotato813]

Going onto random servers and doing random acts of kindness is so cute!

[@31redorange08]

Not sure if using hacks for diamonds is an act of kindness.

[@alg3n320]

@@31redorange08 i wouldnt mind

[@ChillerDragon]

But it is LiveOverflow who defined what "act of kindness" means not the server owner who receives the act. It could still feel like an intrusion. Or a disrespect to people who mine without xray.

[@justinbchen]

@@ChillerDragon right, if I found out someone had given me what I consider to be cheated diamonds in my personal server, then I would probably burn them because they weren't obtained legitimately under my own rules of play. In earlier episodes LiveOverflow stresses that these hacks shouldn't impact how others play and enjoy the game, and I feel like he crossed that line there.

[@Nettakrim]

1:07 quick tip: if you press enter after doing one trade it will automatically fill out the next trade, this means you can hover your mouse on the output slot, hold shift and spam alternate enter/click and you will quickly trade (edit: spacebar also works instead of enter)

[@CZghost]

*spacebar

[@mikee.]

wasn't it spacebar?

[@Nettakrim]

@@CZghost​both work! personally i prefer enter as its right next to RShift and Space is a bit heavy so i just completely forgot that space also works as i don't use it :P

[@Eliias_g]

25:07 i think that Minecraft calculates fall damage based on how many blocks you have fallen since you started moving downwards, so if you made your fly mod automatically push you a little bit upwards before landing i think that would make you not take damage

[@lythd]

the fly mod does constantly go a little bit upwards otherwise he would get kicked immediately. the fall damage only increases, thats why mobs on a lead that bounce up and down take lots of damage when they fall down, when you go up the fall damage does not decrease.

[@Benwager12]

@@lythd I don't believe you understood his answer, I believe what the commenter was trying to say is go up a little bit before the player touches the ground so it completely negates the fall damage

[@kfftfuftur]

@@Benwager12 and he replied that animals hanging on leashes accumulate a lot of fall damage even when they are periodically bouncing back up. Why would this be different

[@lythd]

@@Benwager12 that doesnt negate the fall damage though.

[@yuuchi404]

He just need to send CPlayerPacket (idk if i wrote it right) and set ground state of packet to true when he is going to land (player.fallDistance i believe)

[@ananasjuice7059]

You should try clicking the mousewheel on the schematic blocks

[@ilonachan]

this. also using hotkeys to show only parts of the schematics, so you actually see all the blocks.

[@Asdayasman]

I like the idea of the anti-griefing squad, but I don't like the idea of cheats to do it. Perhaps I picked the survival option because I wanted to _earn_ my builds, ya know? Sweet vid otherwise.

[@ahmetlackscontent]

i'll make it known again that i absolutely LOVED watching this series and it taught me a whole lot. i didn't discover your channel with this series, i was a viewer long before but i just wanted to say thank you for everything you do. you're genuinely great and enjoyable to watch

[@y337]

Great video, LiveOverflow! I can assure you I’ve already watched this video in its entirety enough to critique it in the comments section and have in fact thoroughly enjoyed this content

[@pitust]

the premiere didn't even start...

[@switchblade6226]

i have too watched it completely and agree that the video was superb

[@tamablescarf6886]

but its a premiere...

[@AlexDicy]

@@pitust welcome to the joke

[@falxie_]

This is the exact reason why I never forget to put a whitelist on my servers

[@maximosolimandi3637]

We had a Minecraft server with my friends and one time someone fully covered another player's base with melons

[@Lanausse]

lmafo nice

[@tibixdev]

I love it when people use their power for good, and I also love this series. Keep up the good work. :)

[@_CryptoCat]

Love the intro @ 1:22 😁 Interesting thoughts on "griefing" regarding effort:damage!

[@twobob]

Solid. I once parted a sea in half, drained it and built a glass wall to hold it back in survival mode. Then build a "Sea Observatory" building. I think they had just introduced squids at the time. Fun times. So much time spent.

[@-..._-.]

Just a heads up, a fair amount of people probably won't appreciate x-ray'd diamonds since they were obtained illegitimately.

[@y337]

Yup. You have to launder them- (queue sly saxophone jazz music) you set up a legitimate mining operation, who knows, maybe it really is as profitable as they say. Mix in some of the dirty diamonds, it all comes out clean and on the record, baddabing baddaboom, the admins won’t think twice 😎

[@Trainz2950]

This is actually really cool, you could theoretically connect a local server with other ones you scan thanks to spigot tools and just be able to move to others' worlds whenever you want

[@nicojanen3015]

I was always afraid of Port scanning the internet because even if the provider is okay with it. At some points you will scan ip addresses that don't want to be scaned. But I alywas thought of scanning in combination with Nmap. But I think that will be overkill

[@macslash5833]

Yeah no scanning the entire internet and its ports would be slow and you shouldn't do that anyway for obvious reasons lol

[@nicojanen3015]

@@macslash5833 yeah but if you had a little Programm running asynchronously on multithreat and have enough time it's not impossible. But as you said. I would not recommend it.

[@macslash5833]

@@nicojanen3015 that's fair enough lol

[@Themoonisachees]

@@nicojanen3015 i work as a networks administrator, and i can tell you that if somebody doesn't want to appear on your scan, if they have any sense of security they won't appear. also, the problem with nmapping all the internet is not really processing power, it's bandwidth. scanning the internet already takes a long time, but now you multiply that scanning time by 65k.

[@mradamdavies]

Just limit the requests and add a lot of jitter ;)

[@dekrom]

Im a regular 2b2t player, I knew this series was going this way, I really love this server and the Smart people that get the way trough the parches and fixes for a security and vulnerabilities, thanks for making the most crazy exploits

[@Solid_Fuel]

Joining randoms servers has been a hobby of mine for a cupple of years now i usually get a list of 100 servers from shodan and use a whole night exploring and putting up warning signs saying "cool place, but please white list your server

[@LaurentK]

Loving these videos ❤

[@CosmodiumCS]

Awesome stuff as always!!

[@elfamosokilluah3072]

This video was absolutely amazing, thanks for producing such content !

[@alistairmathie7632]

I would recommend going back to season 6 and binging all of hermitcraft.

[@qwfp]

Potentially unpopular opinion: joining someone's (private) server uninvited and doing stuff (especially with hacks, e.g. mining diamonds with x-ray) is still griefing. Obviously not as bad as destroying someone's work, but not completely innocent either.

[@acidopcodes]

Btw LiveOverflow there is a mod called baritone. It is AI for Minecraft used to automate mining, travelling and other tasks. I think you should check that out.

[@lightning_11]

I think people like 2b2t because finding bases to grief is really hard now. Usually, you need to find a super creative exploit or grind for ages to locate an ungreifed base.

[@rustkitty]

I think your analysis on griefing is off becuase cool and immoral aren't really mutually exclusive. Think about stuff like caper movies or reports on the latest crimes of Lazarus Group. It's impressive and entertaining, but you still understand the harm. As for pranks vs bullying, I think the only sure condition is intent: if you drench someone you dislike out of malice that's bullying, but if you drench your friend (while being sure no water damage occurs) who has been complaining about the heat the whole week, that's a funny and apropos prank.

[@jack30t68]

As you're German, you might remember Minecraft Suro (Ungespielt's Minecraft project). We used a tool like that to discover the Bungeecord sub server and join using KZbinr's/Operators accounts using the Bungeecord exploit (well, actually 2, after they fixed the first one haphazardly). We however knew that they were hosting at Nitrado as Nitrado was their official partner, so we didn't scan global but just all IP ranges owned by Nitrado/Marbis GmbH

[@jotrorox]

Checking each IPv6 address would be pretty hard because: There are 16^32 IP Addresses or 666 quadrillion per squaremilimeter on earth

[@luspy7395]

Kind of weird how he didn't ask for permission to hack on these random peoples server, he was talking about ethics in other videos like not to cheat on hypixel. It does't have to take a big minecraft server to just have an overall rule to not cheat on the small servers even for the befit for the owners, people just don't like to cheat in items such as using xray to mine diamonds.

[@6infinity8]

That's definitely dark gray hat behavior here

[@vcele]

Love the series 👍

[@cre8ive65]

Hey, love the series! I think for your next series, it would be really cool to do one on hacking for speed running. Like building tools for TAS, learning how to break the engine for skips etc. Would really love to see that.

[@lightning_11]

I can tell you watch Hermitcraft when you talk about fun pranks.

[@lexikiq]

awesome series :)

[@adicsbtw]

Quick tip for building, middle click will look at the block you are looking at and pull it into your currently selected hotbar slot if it exists in your inventory. In creative mode it just forces that block into your inventory whether you have it or not

[@q7b663]

Can you also integrate shodan api (and other services alike) to scrape for these servers?

[@adon155]

Small tip: you can middle click a block to select the same block in ur hotbar, I think this works with litematica too

[@Folsets]

I really like the idea of scanning something on the Internet. I should try do to it. Thank you for video!

[@yepee1]

Some randos found my server and grieved the spawn. This happened a while ago, and I've known for a long time about port scanning. Kinda upset it happened but I guess that's what a get for not having a whitelist.

[@peacefulexistence_]

I think I should mention that helping other people by using hacks to gather materials might not always be appreciated.

[@BillyHudson1]

Yeah pretty sure people won't like you xraying diamonds in their survival games. That's pretty much griefing tbh.

[@grrr-ou9oc]

you can middle click on the litmatica ghost blocks to select them as well as being able to view the schematic layer by layer

[@dandymcgee]

1:07 If you haven't figured it out by now, you can mouse hover the output slot of the trading window and press spacebar key to auto-fill the input slot with more potatoes, then shift-click the emeralds out into your inventory. This allows you to speed-trade potatoes.

[@AshtonSnapp]

You basically made a Minecraft server war-dialer. … now I want to try and write one in Rust…

[@parpar8090]

Not sure if that's possible (nor did I do a very big research on it), but I think you can also get domains list from some DNS servers and check the SRV record for each one and look for the "_minecraft" protocol so you won't be limited to just 25565 ports. (many Minecraft networks use other ports for their backend servers, and 25565 for their proxy/bungeecord). I mean this idea of scanning the entire internet is just so cool but also scary, which also means that accessing backend stuff should be taken more seriously and blocked from unknown IPs.

[@bloootz]

This looks incredible! I'm so inspired rn to program! Amazing videos as always!!

[@lightning_11]

I wish I could connect to random servers, too. I just don't have access to one of these databases, and I don't think I can make my own. Sad.

[@Possible1985]

At first I thought this is just the theme of the Series. But now I'm sure, you're actually Minecraft addicted :D

[@real1cytv]

FYI you can middle mouse click Lightmatica blocks, so you don't have to scroll as much

[@loganalt1838]

Hey, just so you know, the hackers that found jeb_ was staged. The exploit was still real however and your point was good. You can see it was staged from jeb_ disconnecting when dying, as well as a few other discrepancies.

[@loganalt1838]

Just saw you replied to someone else who said this.

[@Respectable_Username]

I think for something like opening mass connections, maybe a language such as NodeJS would be better than Python because of the way its worker thread works. Instead of having a limited number of threads running all waiting for a response, JS's asynchronous code makes it super easy to just keep sending out requests and the main event queue will handle responses whenever they come back, or alternatively will handle the timeout event. TBH I really love JS's event queue as a way of doing parallelisation, much more than traditional parallelisation methods and all the awful async bugs they cause!

[@Asdayasman]

> I don't know how humour works- Yeah, your accent lets us know that. :^)

[@hadisantamaria3391]

does after someone blew up our base in our minecraf server finding out where they're base is, and finding out whats their account, entering their account and emptying their inventory into a chest, then after that taking the coordinates of their base and going to their base, taking everything, putting a pressure plate on the floor to blow it up when they actually connect is considered bullying or griefing or revenge?

[@Embuer]

You could use the script to find 1.8 servers. 1.8 Vanilla Servers have a really easy administration privileges escalation exploit with signs.

[@bbugl]

"Upper Management" Perfect :D

[@WillyJL]

I might be totally off track, but I feel like async would be a very good fit for checking the mc servers in background...

[@manueltennox7725]

I think you're mixing languages - python doesn't have the concept of async/await like java does out of the box. But it's a similar situation - in the end if some tasks won't finish, the queue will fill up and either not continue or stack will overflow ;p

[@Fabian-_-]

@@manueltennox7725 asyncio ships in Pythons std from like version 3.5 or so on, so technically it supports async await ootb. But yeah, not directly like Java

[@WillyJL]

@@manueltennox7725 I think you’re out of touch mate, Python does have a very robust async await structure, but it’s not default of course. But the asyncio module, which is part of the standard library, provides very easy ways to implement it. Look up aiohttp Also no, if some tasks fail or get stuck, well they just fail or get stuck. Other tasks will go on without issues. That’s kind of the point of async structure: it is not a queue system, but an async system. It is concurrency. And if they get stuck, well asyncio has a very simple asyncio.timeout() which runs async functions but fails if it doesn’t finish within the time limit you give it, so that fixes, although abruptly, the getting stuck issue

[@yurr7408]

"Imagine a super elavorate plan to try and get someone wet"... Trust me bro I've tried. What you're asking is difficult and takes time

[@sumitftr]

quick tip: while trading shift click and spam click space bar it will automatically fill the item slot of villager

[@mart3323]

Some people are mentioning that you can middle mouse to select the block in the schematic But there's an even better mode - If you turn on auto-place mode, then you can just right click on the ghost blocks (from any angle) and it will automatically select and place the correct block

[@toorero]

Pro-tip for 5:10 you can use middle mouse button like in creative to select the proper block you are focusing.

[@Liz4rdMan]

Waiting for the next episode!

[@pwall]

Btw you can middle click in litematica to get the block you are looking at from your inventory

[@itstoxicqt]

Ok I was not expecting this to be so deep

[@triularity]

"Prank Wars - A new reality series coming to FOX!" ... or maybe MTV. =) loosely modeled after Spy vs. Spy.

[@lightning_11]

I love the antigreifsquad idea

[@AntonioNoack]

@8:49, nah, destroying things others created with love is the worst.

[@JimTheScientist]

“I’ve seen this one before” - my brain while watching

[@DM-qm5sc]

This guy is my favorite BIG MINECRAFT KZbinR!

[@freebyte]

If I remember correctly, you can use middle mouse button to pick a block that you are looking at and it works with litematica

[@Jan12700]

11:50 That would probably be a bit too much, but you might find more servers if you search the port range from 25500 to 25600. For example, I always had the server port on different ports because of my reverse proxy. 18:54 It can't have been the real Gronkh, his account was highjacked during the Mojang to Microsoft account migration. He just got it back last week. Why do People play with no Whitelist? It's the best griefing protection if you just play with your friends.

[@-..._-.]

>Why do People play with no Whitelist? It's the best griefing protection if you just play with your friends. aren't aware that it's a thing / aren't aware that a random can go and find their server without being told the ip

[@22minecraftguy]

Whenever i set up a server for friends to play on I never bothered with whitelist because you assume the likelihood of someone guessing your ip is slim

[@JimTheScientist]

Expanding the port range tends to make the scanner a lot slower, and the “success” rate is a lot lower (More ports scanned, less servers). However, a common solution is to scan the most commonly used ones (25565, 25566, etc.) and then to scan an entire range on that IP if one is found.

[@sb0]

The jeb server thingy actually turned out to be fake

[@level_yz]

when you trade with villagers once you do one trade you can press space bar to put the items in the trade slot instead of dragging them into it. like when you were trading potatoes you drag one stack up do the trade then hit space bar and it will automatically move the potatoes into the slot!

[@SSouper]

how did you deal with the abuse complaints that eventually come with scanning?

[@LiveOverflow]

explained honestly what I was doing, and offered to add the target to a blocklist to not scan again

[@___aZa___]

oh, so you have probably scanned my private server too :D nice!

[@pawelk1337]

whats the mod with building 5:09

[@goeiecool9999]

I did the same thing a couple months ago except way less sophisticated. Was using nmap for scanning and used the existing mcstatus utility

[@ari_archer]

Imho the "helping" is not nice, ruining the game, like xraying for diamonds and giving it to someone might seem nice but at least for me and most of my friends it would ruin the game, when I used to play minecraft at least lol, I'm the "I want and will do it myself" type of person

[@dandymcgee]

Him: "I use boats to transports villagers." Me: *scoffs* "What a peasant." Him: "Well actually, I use flying boats..." Me: *gasps* "What a genius."

[@dandymcgee]

This is like StumbleUpon: Minecraft Edition. I miss that website.. it would be really fun to do this myself, but I don't think it's worth the privacy invasion of releasing lots of IPs to everyone even if they're technically public servers.

[@oblivion_2852]

The Jeb_ grief was probably to make a point how native minecraft never bothered to create a versatile permission system to protect against griefing. More a thing against poor development goals in the software they sell

[@tiger12506]

I hosted a minecraft server for my friends back around version 1.14. I would have absolutely loved to have a random visitor show up and build some small structure in my world, and definitely would have given a tour. On the other hand, I would have reacted pretty strongly to fly hacks and other game exploits as well (definitely no x-ray!). Maybe consider asking permission before using those one someone else's server if you plan on doing that again.

[@maksitaxi]

whats your minecraft username?

[@phanirithvij]

Ah yes, the old serial killer who got his sentence reduced because the jury saw the elaborate effort he put into his craft. /s

[@losbagros2556]

it there way to trick whitelist in code?

[@AndrosYang]

You can do a vanilla fly bypass by moving the player ~0.2 blocks at a set interval (a few server ticks)

[@Gobillion160]

amazing video

[@jamess1787]

I took a half-frozen juicebox and placed it ontop of a door (retraction hinge), and a teacher walked through the door. I was astonished that it worked while my fellow classmates laughed. Busted. Got what I deserved, so. It all worked out in the end 😂

[@hguhdigfjor]

Do you plan on sharing the code you've written for your mods ?

[@triularity]

Random thought.. Assuming someone hasn't already done so, have you ever tried making a client base minecraft world cloner? Basically you connect to a server and your client makes a copy of all the blocks it sees (or in a given range) and then creates/populates map files to mirror it. Then such maps could be deployed on a new server, almost like a mirror planet in some sci-fi show/movie. Of course, only the blocks get replicated and not the rest (e.g. chest contents, mobs).

[@justind4615]

but you could just get seed of the world right?

[@triularity]

The seed won't account for changes made after creation (i.e. player built structures/landscaping).

[@justind4615]

@@triularity oh

[@DiamondCoding]

I really want to know more about that Server with Grian, Paluten, usw. on it.

[@avimalka5362]

Kafka is prefect for consumer producer tasks, why didn't you used it?

[@LizzyTheLizard]

what do you use for that epic flying cam

[@LiveOverflow]

do you mean the fly hack I'm using? We developed that ourselves in a previous episode of this series.

[@LizzyTheLizard]

@@LiveOverflow no like the flying cam for the broll

[@KevinWho]

@@LizzyTheLizard Seems like the replay mod

[@-..._-.]

@@KevinWho if you look at his chatbox at 20:02 it says replay mod

[@Megaheropap]

Those are some insane Minecraft servers

[@koenboh1]

I would live to see you build a sort of spectator view if that would be possible.

[@wChris_]

Should you hack on servers to gain an unfair advantage, which flying is, since you can move much much faster, even if its for the good of the others?