Living History with Karen Westbrook Scranton

[@rongenung]

Karen is a lovely, interesting lady. To think she worked at the TSBD, knew Lee Oswald, stood within touching distance of the President and witnessed his assassination---it boggles the mind. I'm sure that historic moment has been with her every day of her life. To be part of the international crime of the century has to be overwhelming. Gracious of her to share her memories---she brings that day to life for us the viewers.

[@keithashley6298]

A lovely woman and interview, I just cannot begin to imagine what it must have been like to witness such a tragic event and having to live with it for the rest of their lives.

[@jrnumex9286]

" living with that for the rest of their lives" much easier then everyone in the limo for sure

[@hlogan5097]

Sweet lady. Such a clear, down to earth talk. Great interviewer also.

[@jonathanlane5432]

What a charming, attractive and eloquent woman. I imagine that ever since that fatal day she has been asked to tell her story hundreds of times and will go down in history as not only being an eyewitness but also being photographed watching it happen.

[@colonelreb1014]

You're attracted to grandmother's?

[@truthof7382]

@@colonelreb1014 You aren’t?

[@colonelreb1014]

@@truthof7382 sounds like your preference. But I'm not judging bro. You still live with your parents and never been laid so it's totally understable if you wanna bang the only woman that ever gave you a hug (Your Granny)

[@andrewgallaher8057]

Karen is quite clearly a very astute, calm and intelligent woman. She neither underplays nor overplays her memories, lending great credibility to her account . Very poised and very engaging to listen to. I do not doubt for one second anything she stated.

[@roberta.6399]

Agreed 💯👍

[@chrissharkey9644]

As a 56yr old it’s amazing to Me just how well spoken and Educated our Country was!

[@spudrain]

Great job! Excellent interview. I love hearing recollections from regular folks who witnessed history as it happened. No political agenda. Nothing but the truth from an honest person. What a classy lady.

[@jl3322]

There usually the worst witnesses.

[@thegamingcube2588]

@@jl3322 wdym?

[@TheCream14]

Great interview. What a nice lady - and sharp!

[@todd3205]

This good woman's recollections reflected many times on the differences in everyday life then, to present times, and seemed to be yearning to tell these young folk how much bearing that has on everything. Now, it's no fault of younger folks when they were born, but the changes in a person's everyday world, brought upon by technology, make it an entirely different world than the one we knew. For me, it is a blessing to have known this other world, and especially the world that came before me. I had a grandpa that was born on Little 16 Mile Creek Rd., Mason County WV in 1907, when there was no such thing as a car in that county that anyone owned. His Dad, my great-grandpappy was a blacksmith, and one of his best customers was a fellow that had been a Confederate General in the Civil War. So, for me, a person born only 10 years to the day from the end of WWII, I had the great fortune to have known about this simpler, yet harder life, and knew it as 'the way it was'. My only point in this blabber is an attempt at understanding that many older folks have lived through a lot sometimes, and saw things through the eyes that had never SEEN a computer, and struggled to catch up with a world that demanded adapting to thousands of new things daily, on top of the world that they already knew. But, as younger folks bear no guilt for when they were born, we older folks have a duty to understand their world and hope for the same in return. And we must never get to the point where the generations hate each other because they can't be bothered to understand.

[@CSltz]

She surely aged well. Must be the water.

[@Ckom-Tunes]

What an eloquent woman! Certainly much better than the usual JFK witness.

[@BobSmith-ve8sw]

This was truly an enjoyable interview. Preserving the stories and first hand experiences of these eyewitnesses is invaluable. Thank you to all involved in making this happen. I had the great pleasure of visiting the Sixth Floor Museum on 1/21/2020, and strongly recommend seeing the Museum and the Plaza to everyone.

[@prant8998]

I visited the building and the stood near the window. It’s really close where JFK was shot. You could have thrown a brick out that window and hit the car! Karen Westbrook, is fantastic. What she saw that day was PTSD inducing. She was sooo close. Great gal.

[@bradf2349]

The first shot not only missed the limousine, it nearly missed the entire street.

[@scottchurch9731]

Wonderful Lady, understands her place in history and stepped up to fill it. Most people today would turn a blind eye.

[@donofon1014]

I stood behind the wooden fence on the knoll .. and felt I could have pegged an occupant of the car with an egg sized rock. The X mark on the road is so immediate., It would be professional malpractice if there was a hit squad to NOT locate there. Perfect escape route while intimate to the target.

[@bradf2349]

@@donofon1014 good points and the crowd was sparse by the time of the head shot. A shooter had time to make a quick escape before the crowds rushed the knoll.

[@LisaMarie-ln1vp]

The snipers nest was staged!! The shots never came from the 6th floor of the TSBD. I’ve been to Dealey Plaza too & the Sixth Floor Museum and their agenda is to sell LHO did the shooting from that area. Unfortunately it’s all false!!

[@joaquinpraveenvishnu8509]

Thanks to Stephen Fagin for his effort on collecting all the data on oral history

[@joaquinpraveenvishnu8509]

@James Barlow you grow up ma'am

[@beachem1]

Outstanding interview! Thanks 🙏🏻

[@karimC35]

Wow it took Oswald just over a minute to fire three rounds wipe a rifle clean of all finger prints run across the room to stash the rifle and go down from the sixth floor to the 2nd floor and get a coke? Wow

[@michaelwooda9444]

Dont forgot he escaped jail and traveled to fbi to put his palm print on the rifle.concidering the first time it was tested, it had no prints then majically later found entire palm print they missed.then Oswald broke back in jail without being discovered.

[@cedarwest37]

Seven floor s to the building...

[@brianbauch3321]

And the people of this Country let our corrupt GOVERNMENT FRAME OSWALD. AND COVER UP THE REAL TRUTH. AND THEN ALSO 911. NOW WE HAVE COVID 19. HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS AWESOME COUNTRY GONNA LET THINGS LUKE THIS HAPPEN 😞😞

[@stevenrobert3681]

So by her account, the back of jfks head exploded, ie exit wound.

[@Caeruleo]

@@stevenrobert3681 "So by her account, the back of jfks head exploded, ie exit wound" I did not hear her say the "back" of JFK's exploded, or any word or words of similar meaning such as "rear." At c.22:45 I hear her saying "I will remember seeing the President's head explode," without making any reference to which part of his head exploded. Now, admittedly she does at the same time put her hand over the right side of her head behind her ear, but that's still not quite the same thing as her specifically saying the rear of his head exploded. Is there another place in the video where she specifically said it was the "back" or the "rear" of his head exploded, and if so, how many minutes into the video is it? Thanks. Also, even if she did say it, her statement would be at variance with a larger number of witnesses who also saw the head shot from the north side of the street as she did, and who said it was the right side of his head that exploded, not the rear, exactly what we see in the Zapruder film. Bill and Gayle Newman, Marilyn Sitzman, and even Abraham Zapruder himself all side it was the right side of his head that exploded.

[@Good-Citizen]

Boy this guy could make a short story long. Mrs. Scranton is a very bright charming woman.

[@MrsSoniaH]

Wonderful to watch and hear you tell your story, Karen.

[@r.c.miller6161]

She seems very rehearsed. Fagin orchestrates every interview to suit his agenda.

[@pAusten]

I'm 64 and remember being home for lunch after morning kindergarten. We were in the kitchen and my mother screamed and ran into the living room to see the tv which was turned on. I've followed the stories my whole life and find the story of investigative reporter Dorothy Kilgallen to be the most interesting along with Clint Hill's experience. I appreciated his book, Mrs. Kennedy and Me.

[@victorsuarez6130]

The audience needs to have a mic so we can hear the questions direct. The host did not repeat the questions.

[@HandleThisSelection2]

And risk infringing upon the narrative that Oswald acted alone. Nope, We cannot have that. Please do not entertain such thoughts of fancy lol.

[@marinamoscow3755]

still beautiful at 73.

[@BarbaraJoanneBJ]

Yes, she certainly looks great.

[@MicroSoftner]

What's her secret?

[@curbozerboomer1773]

I agree...I am an old guy-75, and do not like to look at women my age!...but she looks very nice indeed.

[@andypistole8363]

This is definitely my favorite video of this series...What a pretty ..classy Lady.

[@barrycalvillo2466]

Not that pretty but if you need to appease

[@dmilstone5709]

I agree with you Andy...she's very pretty, well spoken and very classy

[@paultrusten6205]

Mr. Fagin et al., you are giving the public such fascinating interviews and programs! This one is a particular gem. I am inspired to visit your museum again very soon because of these videos.

[@christianvongoller2307]

Best way to describe just how fast American culture changed from 1963 to 1968 was We went from do op music to Jim Morrison and the Doors in 4 or 5 years!

[@lukewarme9121]

@Carl Ferrigno You were smart to avoid that stupidity.

[@CatDaddySteve]

Sad but true, we went from politicians and government agent's we believable to the mask came off and they lie like mob gangsters.

[@radar0412]

Jimi was playing Purple Haze in 67.

[@Borella309]

Blame the Beatles for that - Ed Sullivan Show 9th Feb. 1964.

[@bradrook3919]

I was only 3 1/2 years old...but watching the Presidential Funeral sitting on my mom's lap...I remember the casisson pulled by the horses with a flag draped casket...then seeing the riderless horse with the riding boots in the stirrups backwards... I asked mom what that meant...being from a military family she explained it represents a defeated commander looking back at his troops for the last time...she then whispered to me...never forget this day...this is a very important sad day...I believed she whispered bc she was crying... I don't remember anything else that young...but I will always remember that moment as though it was yesterday.

[@fuyu5979]

Very interesting n informative listening to an actual eyewitness, Karen Scranton, on the street level where President Kennedy was passing by. Unreal !!! Ms.Scranton was articulate n spoke very clearly about her recollection of the sad events before, during n the aftermath of the assassination. Kudos to her n Stephen Fagin for presenting this video. The 6th Floor Museum does a FANTASTIC job of featuring SIGNIFICANT guests that have a connection during those events. Looking forward to the next video.

[@figgybass]

Great interview!

[@danielheaton]

Very, very interesting. Great interview. Love studying history and when the actual people who witnessed history, having them explain it how they saw it INCREDIBLE.

[@sharonnorthern1525]

After so many years of seeing interviews with the same 3 or 4 witnesses, this was good to see.

[@ag4allgood]

Really interesting to hear Karen talk of her experience at the Depository. Also hearing her talk about Lee Oswald & what he was like. She was so close to that limo as it went past amazing. Very articulate & remembered many things for being so long ago. I would love to see a Colin McClaren interview Stephen !

[@robw3027]

Very interesting. This lady was well spoken and I appreciated what she had to say. Also enjoyed shots of inside TSBD.

[@dddddddd62]

Thank you for your eyewitness recollection and this presentation. It was both informative and very moving in the context of the history that happened.

[@FreddySherman]

Interesting that she calls him Lee, he calls him Oswald.

[@vincenzodangelo127]

This is what happened that morning of November 22, 1963 in Dallas and the Zapruder video speaks very clearly. The presidential limousine takes Elm Street and after a few meters the first shot fired by Nicoletti starts who, together with Rosselli, was hidden in the Dal Tex Building. The first bullet misses its target and hits the sidewalk of the triple railroad crossing at the end of the square and a splinter ends up in the face of James Tague, a passerby who was standing there. The second bullet hits Kennedy in the throat, and as you can see in the footage, the president puts his hands around his neck and Governor Connally turns back to understand what happened. The third bullet misses and ends up on the lawn where it is later found by an FBI man and Deputy Buddy Walthers. The fourth bullet hits Connally who emits a grimace of pain as seen in the video and brings his right hand to his stomach because he accuses an immediate pain and then the bullet pierces his right wrist and plants itself in the thigh of his left leg. The fifth bullet hits Kennedy in the back of the head and the sixth bullet, fired by James Files hiding on the grassy knoll half a second after the fifth shot, shoots both Kennedy's blood and head back, and the brain leaking was due to pressure. of the sixth bullet that had left an apple-sized hole behind Kennedy's head, as evidenced by photos of 14 people bringing their hands to the same spot on their heads. I say with certainty that the bullets were 6 because it seems that a shot was fired about every three seconds, that is the time to reload the rifle. Returning to Connally, which is the key to clarifying the mystery well, there is a lot to say. 1) First of all, from the angle in which Oswald would have found himself firing, which was about 45 degrees, only Kennedy would have been hit and no one else, the bullet could not in any way make a deviation and then hit the governor. 2) When Kennedy is shot Connally turns around to see what happens and stays there for about three seconds, the time to reload the shot in the rifle; if the governor had been hit by the magic bullet, at the same time as the president, he would have had the same reaction as Kennedy and would have neither the way nor the strength to look back. 3) The governor Connally when he is wounded is still turned and you see a grimace of pain as I mentioned before him and then turn forward again and collapse on his wife's legs. 4) In the video you can see how Connally bumps his head in front of the glass that separates him from the driver's and assistant's seats. 5) Do you know why Connally was hit? Both because Kennedy threw himself on his wife's right shoulder, because bending over did not hinder the trajectory of the fourth bullet that almost grazed him hitting the governor, and because the shot was fired by Nicoletti from the window of the Dal Tex Building and reached the governor, because Kennedy was leaning towards his wife. So, not only does the first missile reveal where the shot really came from, but also what hit Connally. Indisputable and real evidence, but unfortunately denied by many, including the Warren commission which veiled so much evidence.

[@peterfraser9070]

You have quite the over-active imagination, which comes from reading exciting stories.

[@vincenzodangelo127]

@@peterfraser9070 You say? Aaaah poor Americans....., you are a nation of powerful people and then you let yourself be fooled by the official truths they tell to give answers to such important facts. Blessed are you who still believe in fairy tales, without raising the slightest doubt about how some events in history went. I advise you to read up on better.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@vincenzodangelo127 Try paragraph breaks.

[@vincenzodangelo127]

@@peterfraser9070 Explain yourself better, please.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@vincenzodangelo127 Dividing what you write into paragraphs makes it easier to read, is what I meant. Were those guys using guns that make the bullets fly sideways? The bullet that hit Connolly's back entered sideways, because it had been tumbling when it exited Kennedy's throat. In the Z Film we see Connolly's sudden movement at the same time Kennedy's arms go up. Look again.

[@rldlolberding]

If we look at the video around 22:27 and on where Karen is discribing how Kennedy's head exploded she showing it as being in the back of the head on the right side. How could the back side of Kennedy's head have exploded if that is the direction the bullet came from?

[@markwood5486]

Being from Okla., we got most of our books from Southwest Publishing. I found some books a few years back that were stamped "Texas School Book Depository"

[@anthonyboyd1135]

Very interesting

[@jerrymarshall2095]

She didnt really make clear the 3 shot sequence,she said she heard a shot and the president lifted his arms ,then saw the head shot,where did the 3rd shot play into this.I believe her and agree with her conclusion,but she only described 2 of the 3 shots.I assume she heard an explosion but nothing was amiss,then he reacted with the arms on the second,and the 3rd was obvious.

[@DannyWilliamH]

Agree. I also think she falls victim to having told the same story for so many years, the scary part of human memory. It's incredibly faulty and subject to influence. We change it based on what we hear from others, see in video, make up out of many reasons too numerous to list. A memory (especially after 60 years) is a generality. Imagine taking 6 seconds of your life - at any given time - and being asked to dissect it, explain it and go over it as much as she has. Both officially and unofficially, both under oath and casual conversation...when you weren't prepared to remember those 6 seconds ahead of time. BAM! Something randomly happens and you're asked a half century later to bare witness to those 6 seconds. Impossible. 6 seconds. I'd even suspect that she doesn't have much of any true recollection of the event beyond generalities. No way the later stories, lore and such doesn't change your memory of those 6 seconds. At the point this video was made she probably only retains the vague outlines of truth in happening. She even alludes to this about Lee himself. She says that only after did everything about him seem to come together. The truth is probably that she didn't think much about him at all. She was an 18yo girl and Lee was an early-20s loner (by her account). Her true relation to Oswald was probably very light gossip and mockery with the other young women at work. Nothing. Had JFK never been killed she probably wouldn't even remember him at all. Again, she can't even recall who was with her by the road on that day. Surely a woman she saw and interacted with 100x more than Oswald...and she doesn't know who the last woman is. So imagine how little Lee meant *before* the event. He was maybe the talk of light gossip among girls. Maybe. Still, probably not much even then as he's just a guy she worked around (again, not even coworkers but simply in the same massive building). I'll end by just saying that human memory is notoriously and predictably bad. Test after test shows that we both lose information and accuracy with time, but, more importantly, we add false information with time. We change our relation to aspects of a memory with time. Meaning we attribute into memory things we *want* or *wish* to have happened, both subtle and major things. We often change the narrative entirely to suit both how we wish we were in the moment and other info gathered after the fact. So now take that fact of human nature and attribute it to 6 seconds in the life of an 18yo girl. Yes, 6 seconds that changed history but still just 6 seconds of her life that took place over a half century ago. It's gone with the wind. Her story of that day, those 6 seconds in particular, cannot reasonably be asked to be more than a very generalized telling. That's the scary part about memory.

[@markcooper9063]

My whole life 11 seconds was not used in any of the many test fireing when did that change

[@HandleThisSelection2]

@@markcooper9063 I always heard 6 seconds. It changed, right?

[@raydunn9435]

Oswald = convicted beyond the shadow of a doubt, without a trial. Sad.

[@artemuspyle4860]

how could he be convicted without a trial?

[@gregorybathurst4326]

NOT EVEN slight SHADING ?

[@jenniferwise8515]

@@artemuspyle4860 convicted in the media and killed like a dog.

[@artemuspyle4860]

@@jenniferwise8515 True that. Not that it wasn’t deserved, Oswald was a nasty piece of work.

[@marcsonnenberg623]

Because he killed Tippit and Kennedy that day, injured Connally, and attempted to kill General Walker earlier that year. He is Guilty as sin. Unfortunately Ruby took away the chance of him being convicted and sentenced to death as he surely would have been.

[@Tsnore]

I am glad the Museum lets witnesses tell their stories without leading them into one theory or an agenda. The facts speak for themselves in this case.

[@rickyrick1966]

Your absolutely right the facts say that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it

[@jb-vb8un]

@richie r. - it was JONNY QUEST pal, HADJI on a bad turban day

[@radar0412]

​@@rickyrick1966 Yeah he did I saw him

[@brianambrosemcmahon8531]

The interviewer clearly is leading this woman to fit the Warren commission’s findings .

[@barryirvin2417]

Nice try .CT guy grasping for something sinister lol .

[@viewer3091]

The school book depository is not behind where she is standing . If JFK is shot from behind its certainly not behind where she is standing/ looking from .

[@paulk9214]

I agree that that does not make sense. Behind her is not the School Book despository. Please someone explain this please.

[@ric335]

Paul K I noticed that too.. maybe by the time of the fatal shot, she was looking more towards The underpass? But certainly the first shots would ave been mostly in front or at least to her left..

[@peterfraser9070]

"The school book depository is not behind where she is standing ": Look at a big view of the area and think again.

[@formermpc10]

This was very good, one of my favorite 6th Floor presentations. A witness to history with no agenda or conspiracy/book to peddle. It's interesting to hear here talk of "Lee."

[@bradrook3919]

Most witnesses never did book deals...

[@truthof7382]

What an incredible interview. This woman seems to be the closest bystander to the event. How horrible for her and at the same time, her presence and blurry image became a piece of history in that moment. Thank you Miss Westbrook Scranton for the telling of the event.

[@davidcolagrosso1751]

There are two emergency room doctors who saw the wound to JFK’s head. They both say there was a 4 inch hole in his skull with a huge amount of brain tissue missing, but no obvious wound in the front of his head. Even the photos after Kennedy died there is no damage to the front of his head. Curious for an exit wound. The man who developed the original Zapruder film says the published film is not what he saw when he developed the original. He worked for the government and developed U2 spy film. He didn’t work at fotomat. All this is on KZbin. See for yourself.

[@yasharali2495]

What's his name?

[@gerryquinn5578]

Lovely to hear her experience. Pleased that we can confirm she actually was an eyewitness. I was struck by the fact that for her things seemed to happen in slow motion. I wished the interviewer had pressed her on how the President responded to the shots and whether the car slowed down quite dramatically.

[@jt-ff3yx]

What a charming, beautiful, and eloquent woman. I find her the most pleasant, calm, and convincing witness I have come across so far.

[@aaronpaterson1615]

Wonder if this lady's hubbie was related to DPD policeman Westbrook who took charge of Oswald after the uniformed police arrested Oswald. The investigation into that part of the arrest was a complete sham. One witness said he saw Oswald grappling with officers when another with a shotgun smashed him in the middle of his back with the butt of the SHOTTY - Shotgun which was the central cause of Oswald yelling "I protest this police brutality!". After a witness described this, warren Commission legal council Mr Ball said thank you that is all but before he could end that testimony the witness said "BUT THERE'S ONE THING STILL PUZZLING ME?" Ball: what's that? Witness: i dont know if it has any bearing on the case but this guy sitting in the back row was staring at me he was leaning back like this, just like this staring at me and i told him "Buddy, you better move" and he didn't budge, I saw his - Ball: Did he scare you? Witness: yes because i saw the pistol This was shut down real quick when the witness was saying a movie patron had a pistol on him that was visable when he leaned back in his seat about 3-4 rows behind Oswald's seat in the opposite side of the aisle.

[@stddisclaimer8020]

Aaron Paterson: What a steamy little pile of conspiracy-promulgating BS.

[@peterfraser9070]

You've been reading cheap, unreliable stories and choosing to believe them - that's your tough luck.

[@MTGrad1]

As a Career and Technical Education teacher, I love the story of how she got the job. 👍🏻

[@michaeldavis1609]

Is that ruby on the steps about 9 mins

[@barryirvin2417]

🙈🙈🙈🙈

[@gregorybathurst4326]

yes @ 9.o9 there is old mr Rubinstein ..

[@peterfraser9070]

@@gregorybathurst4326 mr Rubinstein .. Coo coo - ca-choo Mr. Rubenstein, Jesus loves you more than you will know, whoa whoa whoa

[@jamesrogers5277]

When you showed the first Zapruder frame and I became aware of exactly how close KS was to JFK at that terrible and hideous moment I felt a real sense of horror on her behalf - odd, really - I gasped and tears came to my eyes… What a wonderful person she is!

[@leebest1a470]

Wow, she was right there. Great interview.

[@darrenmccarthy3346]

I wonder if she was the daughter of Captain William Westbrook of the Dallas Police Dept. ? Westbrook was also in Army Intelligence and in the pilot car of the motorcade, as it traversed Dealey Plaza and delivered President Kennedy to the scene of his public execution.

[@VTPSTTU]

The interview is interesting, and I thank the SixthFloorMuseum for conducting and publishing these interviews. I was intrigued that no one asked her for more clarification about the shots. She said that she heard a shot and saw the president raising his hands. She seemed to imply that she heard a second shot shortly after the first shot, heard a pause, and then heard a third shot. She said that she saw the devastating head wound after the third shot. Did she have any sense of where the other shot hit? Maybe she'd have a hard time separating what she experienced then from all that she's likely heard or read since then, but almost every theory seems to have one or more shots that were fired but just disappeared into some neverland. I have a hard time believing that someone firing from the sixth-floor window would have missed by so much that the bullet would first hit the curb near where James Tague was standing. I also have a hard time believing that a bullet hit that curb first wouldn't cause either bullet fragments or curb fragments to be driven into Mr. Tague's shins. She would have been in a good position to observe some effect from a third shot, and she didn't seem to notice. I was also intrigued by her statement that the shots came from "behind" her but also from the book depository. The pictures clearly show that "behind her" was the grassy knoll and the place were Abraham Zapruder was standing. I accept that she now thinks that the shots came from the book depository, but the book depository wasn't "behind her." While the witness testimony is fascinating, her account shows the problem with trying to draw too much from that testimony. The photograph taken from behind the president was reported to have been taken because the photographer heard the shot and pressed the shutter release as part of his startle reaction. Because the Carcano bullet travels faster than the speed of sound, the bullet would have already passed if that story is true. If that's the case, the shot was either a missed shot or the president hadn't responded in any way to having been shot. I thought his shoulders looked straight and not hunched in that photograph. I believe that there was more hunch and bunching of his coat at the time he was shot in the back. If that photograph was taken at the moment of the first shot, then the first shot may have been the missed shot. I don't know what happened, but every idea put forward seems to have some holes in the evidence.

[@EJ-74]

plainly she was brain washed later by all the stories she heard later JFK was shot 3 times and one missed simple math atleast 4 shots were fired i think the head shot came from the manhole gutter in front of JFK that may be why she only heard 3 shots im posative the head shot came from the front hearing the Drs interveiws on this channel is 100% PROOF JFKs head was blown out in the back there was a hole big as a fist the autopsy photo doesnt show a hole in the back of JFKs head so this proves the Warren commission coverd it up and many many more other things it is treason to cover this up We The People want the truth

[@EJ-74]

@Nobby Barnes I cant go back to something I never did Dumb Fuck

[@vernpascal1531]

@@EJ-74 -Good point you made. There was so much psychological pressure afterward to conform one's thinking to the official story ,when so many heard and saw something else.

[@VTPSTTU]

@TermsofService The problem is that there is so little solid or credible evidence. They claim that three shots were fired, but they have only one and a half bullets. Of those, the only whole bullet they have has a less than ideal chain of custody. I understand how that can happen, but if I'm being fair to all possible ideas, I admit that the chain of custody on the bullet found on the stretcher at the hospital is questionable. Otherwise, we have a third bullet that disappeared into nowhere. I am very skeptical of the idea that this bullet went directly from Oswald's rifle to the curb by the triple underpass. The bullet would have retained enough energy in those 160 yards that the bullet would have caused more damage to the curb and likely sprayed fragments into James Tague's pants. You simply can't reference "solid, credible REAL evidence" when you're missing one and a half bullets for your theory and one of the one and a half bullets has a questionable chain of custody. If this happened today, the police would have parked two patrol cars at the corner of Elm and Houston and stopped all further traffic on Elm Street. On that day in 1963, they reopened Elm Street as soon as the motorcade passed. Regular traffic was driving along Elm Street ten minutes after the shots were fired. If this happened today, the police would have put crime scene tape all around Dealey Plaza and made a thorough, careful, detailed sweep of every square inch of pavement and grass. People on every side insist that doing that kind of search wouldn't have changed anything, but that's just stupid. Unless someone takes the time to look, no one knows what would have been found. On the day after the assassination, a guy found a piece of the president's skull in the grass on the south side of Elm Street. In a worthwhile investigation, crime scene technicians would have found and documented that piece of skull fragment. The excuse that they just didn't understand forensics back then isn't credible. I'm not blaming them for what they may not have known, but as we look back at history, we have to evaluate by what we know today. When that look back shows sloppy work, we need to accept that evidence may have been lost. People are welcome to believe that more valid evidence would only have reinforced Oswald's guilt as the sole assassin, but without that evidence, they are just projecting their beliefs onto the evidence instead of letting the evidence guide their beliefs. When they examined the limousine, they found bullet fragments on the floor of the front seat. They also found a crack in the windshield and a dent in the chrome on the frame above the windshield. For the fragments to be found where they were and for the damage to the car to be where it was, the bullet fragments had to have hit the windshield and the chrome and bounced to the floor at Agent Kellerman's feet. That's two bullet fragments hitting parts of the car less than three feet from him and passing within inches of his legs and feet. When those bullets hit the windshield and chrome would be important evidence, but neither Agent Kellerman nor Agent Greer (the driver) mentioned bullet fragments hitting anything in the reports that they wrote that night. The point is not that this omission is part of some kind of conspiracy. The point is that in the fear and confusion of the moment, they didn't notice something that would be important evidence. That's normal for people in those situations, but that also shows how unreliable much of the evidence is. The Bugliosi and Posner types insist that Oswald's leaving the book depository is evidence of guilt. What they ignore is that the cab driver testified that as Oswald was sitting in the cab waiting to start, an older woman walked up to the cab to see if he was in service. Oswald opened the door and was getting out of the cab to let the woman have the cab when she insisted that he keep the cab. If I've just taken a shot at the president, I'm not going to offer the getaway cab to another person for any reason. Yes, Oswald could have easily gotten to the second floor break room before Officer Baker got there and not been out of breath. On the other hand, both Officer Baker and Roy Truly were looking for an assassin. If anything in Oswald's demeanor had suggested a consciousness of guilt, they wouldn't have just left him standing there in the break room. If you're like most people who make these kind of insistent declarations on any side of the question, you aren't capable of understanding enough to see any way that you can be wrong. I don't really write this to you. I write this to others who might be following the conversation and want to understand how weak the evidence is for every theory of what happened.

[@tylerjerabek5204]

TermsofService what about the magic bullet, how did it move through the bodies in such an odd manner?

[@gregparker4532]

She never saw Oswald sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom. His actual colleagues were in unison. He always ate in the 1st floor laborer's break room. On the rare occasion he did not, it was because he would leave the building - most likely to go and check his PO Box. Moreover, the book companies on the 2nd floor leased that whole floor - which of course included the lunch room. TSBD laborer's were barred from eating in there, and I have this on a recording of an interview with Roy Lewis - an Oswald co-worker. They were allowed only to use the snack and drink machine. And Oswadl and others did go up to buy drinks almost daily. For whatever reason, she is lying about Oswald on that point. And a note for Mr Fagin. The 2nd floor lunchroom was NOT called the Domino room. That was the name of the worker's break room where Oswald actually did eat - and it was called that for a good reason - some of the worker's liked to play dominos during breaks.

[@pamisolisytreviews6813]

He does such a good job interviewing. His enthusiasm regarding history comes across. Love this series.

[@r.c.miller6161]

He smirks as he shapes her rehearsed responses. His job is to support the government’s official line denying a conspiracy. He’s a puppet, not a truth-seeker.

[@HandleThisSelection2]

@@r.c.miller6161 BINGO

[@jltuttle1667]

Thank you for this...... I was 6 when this happened..... I will be sickened by his loss until the day I die

[@davidaames1624]

What's wrong with keeping to yourself ?

[@peterfraser9070]

"What's wrong with keeping to yourself ?": what's wrong is not so much that as it is the shooting Kennedy part.

[@passamaquoddy8311]

This permanent grin on Mr. Fagin's face during the whole interview is disgusting.

[@tbird25069]

any relation to Cpt. Westbrook?

[@woodie6408]

Great question!! Maybe she mistook lee for harvey? Mmmmm.

[@aislinnkeilah7361]

Excellent interview. Good questions and very well spoken lady.

[@paulpena5040]

People shouldn't get the wrong idea. She heard 3 shots and that's great. Many people did. But quite a few heard many more and I don't see why their opinion is any less or more valid than hers.

[@goodgood9955]

Because 80% said 3. THREE....80%

[@vernpascal1531]

And a majority said from the Railroad overpass/grassy Knoll...many of the closest witnesses too. So, don't ever tell me some greaseball Liar For Hire-Bugliosi,Posner,Belin etc. biased opinion is better.

[@goodgood9955]

@@vernpascal1531 None of the grassy knoll 'witnesses' identified a real physical person shooting from there. No physical evidence was ever found on the knoll or the underpass. Closest witnesses to where?...JFK or TSBD building where at least two witnesses (that i know) actually saw a gunman; people near TSBD heard the shoots come from....the TSBD.

[@juliechase2047]

Echos off the buildings & the brain cannot always comprehend. RC

[@juliechase2047]

If the shots came from the knoll, why would people run up that way? RC

[@banitsaboy144]

Shots came from behind me?which means the shots came from the top of the grassy knoll!

[@paganphil100]

BANITSA BOY: Many other witnesses who were standing in front of the grassy knoll also said that the shots came from behind them.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

So refreshing, to hear from someone that was so close to that awful event...several people in the Z film never were interviewed, so this fine woman's testimony is very important!...As a guy her age, I am kind of proud of her...she is a high school grad, no college or whatever, yet she is obviously very intelligent, and well-spoken. I do not think the average 18yo girl of today will ever be so articulate...we have failed a couple generations of folks with sub-standard education...very sad for our country....BTW, it is good, to see such a pretty woman, who has taken care of herself and looks so attractive, given her age!...Most of us older types look like crap!

[@markcooper9063]

She said she went to college to get away from being a typest

[@larrywheels762]

Is she related to Dallas police personnel officer Westbrook?

[@carydavidhoffson6014]

How did he get out of the book building and not be stopped by anyone who was there and get to were he was living and how did he make it to the movie theater and how did anyone know he was a killer and how can Jack ruby get inside the police department and not make to get out before he killed him and some one else made it very easy for them to get around with out being stop

[@peterfraser9070]

"How did he get out of the book building and not be stopped by anyone who was there and": An employee steps out of the building that he works in, maybe casually drinking a sody pop and not looking guilty. There were lots of people around the entrance and other people were in the building too. It's not like everyone knew right then exactly where the shots had just come from. Oswald wasn't wearing a t-shirt that said "I just shot Kennedy, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt'.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

@@peterfraser9070 Exactly--lol

[@tomklitsch6638]

I love watching your sixth floor videos. However, if you still think that Oswald was the sole shooter, you are clearly incorrect.

[@jeffreycooper5187]

Fascinating interview and lady

[@tmac8892]

Good interviewer and guest. Very interesting. Mahalo.

[@Bbendfender]

I enjoyed this interview very much. Mrs. Westbrook Stanton is a very intelligent lady. She is about 4 years older than me so I understand her take on all of this.

[@indyindyy5192]

OSWALD stated that he went to lunch about noon and claimed he had lunch on the first floor in the dining room; but he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine is located and took a bottle of Coca-Cola for lunch. OSWALD claimed he was on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed the end of his building.”

[@marksesl]

The Domino Room and the lunch room weren't the same. Why did he cause confusion here? The fact that Oswald always ate in the lunch room with the secretaries is very important!

[@thomaschristianwilliams4542]

One of the best interviews ever. Congratulations to Karen for the clarity of her testimony. Her remarks at the end about unnamed “influencers” controlling Oswald seem somewhat at odds with the rest of her remarks. On the whole an important video from an eyewitness with a remarkable eye for detail...

[@licozythree]

Unfortunately the detail is wrong. There was no "roll-call". The 2nd floor lunch room was not for laborers (can you really imagine African-American "porters" in 1963 Dallas sitting down for lunch with decent god-fearing white collar white folks? No? Correct. Never happened. Those same African-Americans to a man all testified that Oswald ate in the "domino room n the 1st floor with them. Additionally they listed his reading material during lunch as the Dallas Morning News - not the commie literature hinted at in this interview. At some point it was stated she still works in that building and reads everything she can on the assassination. Was she biased and influenced? Sure looks like it. Mr. Fagin needs to man up and admit these interviews are not "history" - they are propaganda.

[@Exiles800]

Thomas: Ignore this ROKC nut case...He comes from a lunatic website known as ROKC that puts itself before witnesses who were there and has the balls to correct them in order to make their bullshit theories work...Don't take him seriously...They are a nut group...Westbrook is mistaken about the woman she is calling Gloria Calvery right next to her...Other photos Fagan doesn't show Westbrook prove the woman is actually either Karen Hicks or Gloria Jeanne Holt...ROKCevents obviously isn't well...No black people were involved...Manager Roy Truly was Intel connected and a right-winger so intelligence agent Lee Oswald was allowed to eat in the 2nd floor lunch room as real witness Westbrook testifies...You can see the nutty logic ROKC tries to deny the original witnesses who were there with...ROKC ignores where Westbrook confirms Mrs Reid seeing Oswald emerge from that lunch room with a Coke...These are not honest people...

[@thomaschristianwilliams4542]

Thanks Exiles. Sounds to me like someone’s entire worldview is about to come crashing down...

[@licozythree]

A sign of lack of anything else to throw (such as the occasional fact) is the hurling of insults at the messenger. My "worldview" is immaterial. My view on this case is as stated... conspiracy theories are as phony as the Warren Commission report and the only sensible way forward is showing that Oswald's alibi was valid or was not. You know... like it is done in real life cold cases all the time. That view on this case is informed by actual research into the life and times of Oswald and a complete deconstruction of the day of the assassination. But if that is not to your liking, your new friend Brian has an entertaining theory about a Hungarian refugee boy and his mother whom looked like Lee Oswald and his mother respectively. This refugee mother and son were then roped in by the CIA to merge and mesh their lives with the real Lee and Marguerite so that one day in the years to come, the boy could completely take over as Lee Oswald and be sent to the Soviet Union as a false defector. By the latter half of 1963, the real Lee Oswald was busy helping to set up the fake Lee Oswald to take the fall for the assassination (in this theory, the REAL Lee Oswald was the assassin). So not only does Brian believe that the 2nd floor encounter happened as the Warren Commission said, he believes Oswald was indeed the shooter. Somehow though, he manages to stuff the WC turkey.... with an even bigger turkey... Brian stalks me and others whom he perceives have plotted against him in having him barred at nearly every assassination forum on the web. But good luck with him and be aware.. if you ever upset him, you too will be on his stalking sh*t list.

[@Exiles800]

No need for flowery language...There were two Oswalds in the Depository because Roger Craig saw one and Frazier saw the other...Mrs Reid probably saw Craig's...The 2nd floor encounter happened according to the real witnessing and it exonerates Oswald when you combine it with Carolyn Arnold's witnessing...It is ROKC that denies Carolyn Arnold and therefore teams with the Commission...You're lying and nowhere have I ever said Oswald was the shooter...That's a lie and you will not be able to produce any quote from me saying that...(Thomas - this is why ROKC is a nut group that shouldn't be taken seriously)...

[@garywatt4546]

Interesting interview. One of the police officers in Dallas that played a major role was named Westbrook. Is she related?

[@janetphillips2875]

Thats a very good question! I wondered about that too, especially since she was standing with the 'zombie- like' people that wasnt clapping and waving when the car came by, like they were in the downtown area.

[@passamaquoddy8311]

She heard the shot coming from behind her but the building is standing forward left of her. Strange.

[@stddisclaimer8020]

@Etchemin :You wish to base your case for conspiracy on a single outlier ear-witness who says she "heard things?" The pro-conspiracy engine, always running primarily on fumes, has sputtered to a standstill.

[@peterfraser9070]

She heard the shot coming from behind her but the building is standing forward left of her.: No, it isn't. Look at a map or something of the area.

[@shirleybalinski4535]

This interview is weird. The lady appears to have an excellent memory for some minutia but when asked how she entered the TSBD after authorities locked the front doors, following assassination , she replied.."I don't remember" " after all it has been a lot of years". She projects a little to much psychology onto Oswald for someone she didn't know.

[@aarondurham75]

You can see a figure of someone standing over the fence in Mr. Willis’s photo.

[@CPAndy-x5x]

Then why didn't she hear shots from there?

[@aarondurham75]

Bill Newman said he thought they sounded like they came from behind him “from the mall.”

[@viewer3091]

Who was Dark Complected Man ? Was he a signaller to Snipers ?

[@peterfraser9070]

Who was Dark Complected Man ? Was he a signaller to Snipers ?": Who was who and was he a what now??

[@normagrimstad8869]

What do they have to signal for? The car and the president was in plain view. Oswald had a scope on his rifle.

[@viewer3091]

@@normagrimstad8869 To signal that all shots would be fired at as near the same times as possible and also as a distance marker for the snipers. ~ ~ JFK was Not going to survive = = no way.

[@colonelreb1014]

Cuban spotter

[@josephdonato8154]

The interviewer didn't ask an important question: "Was what you saw the exact same thing that's shown on the Zapruder film." And if there are any differences, what are they? Did the limousine actually stop?

[@peterfraser9070]

"Did the limousine actually stop?": it's incredibly clear that the limo did not stop; maybe slowed a little, but did not stop. That's an Oliver stone type theory.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

@@peterfraser9070 True...some people saw the sun, reflecting in the tail lights, and thought the brake lights lit up...the car never stopped, but did slow down very briefly, then sped up quickly...Agent Hill nearly fell off the back!

[@normagrimstad8869]

No, the limousine did not stop. I’m sure she would have mentioned that. Even if it did, what does that prove? That the driver was part of a conspiracy? Obviously you don’t need to stop a vehicle to get shot. The fact is that Kennedy was shot, and plenty of people have been shot and killed in moving vehicles.

[@lynnpineda7615]

also at beginning Scranton said she was late for interview because no one in area knew where the SBD building was located...indicating the large sign above the front entrance was not installed yet. I've read the SBD did not move into the Sexton Bldg. until the late summer, after Scranton was hired by the publisher on the 2nd floor.....

[@HozelRocket]

Hey Fagin, any comment on Rob Groden, Dallas PD, and 80+ arrests?

[@markcooper9063]

I enjoyed the comments of her not knowing not talking to not having meaningful contact with Lee but after the fact saying yes it was him because of his demeaner ,"after th is therefore because of this"

[@kurtestilow7450]

This was a great interview, and very interesting to listen to... Karen Scranton seems to be such a nice lady who I believe is telling the truth.

[@JILOA]

One of those "I'll never forget where I was" moments. I was in school and the teacher told the class that the president had been killed.

[@midtod]

It is amazing how close she was to President Kennedy just by standing on the curb as the limousine went by. I am trying to figure out if he was looking at her or looking straight ahead. You can see Zapruder in the background and his view of course was blocked momentarily when the car passed behind the freeway sign. But the still photo by Phil Willis shows us what was happening behind the sign. Mrs. Kennedy gave an oral history in which she said she happened to be looking at the sign when her husband was hit and she saw pieces of it shatter and fly toward them. When you freeze frame you can see that she was, indeed, looking in the direction of the sign.

[@garyrosson4818]

The memories are still vivid for me. A moment for many of us frozen in our minds timeline.

[@elchoya8770]

TOO BAD THERE WASNT A GRASSY KNOLL MUSEUM,MAYBE WE CAN HEAR SOME TRUTHS.

[@draxlerchronicles5851]

How about this for a truth. This woman heard 3 shots. Bill & Gayle Newman heard 3 shots. Governer Conally heard 3 shots. They found 3 spent shells. Probably not the truths you want to read, but truth isn't (or at least shouldn't be) selective.

[@AZ6780810809]

shots came from every angle except 6th floor, "13 shots were fired museum"

[@jerrymarshall2095]

The head shot came from behind,watch the film,it blew the right side of his head off and blew that mess up a forward.If a shot hit his head from the right front it wouldnt do that,it wouldve blown out the other side of his head and prob hit jackie too.come on people.furthermore,a high powered rifle from behind that fence wouldve been extremely loud and unmistakable with no echos involved.

[@AZ6780810809]

@@jerrymarshall2095 4 teams a minimum, oswald didn't shot anything, set up, planned as hell, RFK MLK official magic bullet story, are U kidding me, shot threw the windshield,bullet in the chrome metal inside, 2 in the grass minimum,2 bullets in the head of jfk, the zapruderfilm is rebuild that wknd by the CIA, to look like a 3 shot happening, how many eye witnesses or who had knowlidge of the real plot or killers or the force behind before or after 22-11, they killed before the could testify, Warren didn't want to lead the commission, because he knew it would be a farce RFK called inmediately the CIA, " you are not behind this, are U?"

[@draxlerchronicles5851]

@@AZ6780810809 And your explanation why most witnesses closest to the car only heard 3 shots?

[@michaeldavis1609]

There were only 3 shots they came from behind?

[@ag4allgood]

Yes , but notice the book writers & other interviewers wanted her to say 4 or 5 ! Great point about the shots from behind. I'll bet the sounds can really echo a bit there.

[@JohnLau256]

She was standing in front of a huge road sign which could possibly blocked out any sound from the other direction.

[@peterfraser9070]

Look at a big view of Dealey Plaza - like at the start of the above video - and think again.

[@fredk9999]

You do not carry author Mark Lane’s books. Why are you not prepared to discuss anything other than LHO was the lone assassin?

[@maxwellsmart4422]

She is very precise in what she saw and heard. No hesitation nor “um” or any similar type of equivocation. She is very credible.

[@Jasona1976]

One of the best interviews ever!!

[@stevenuanna4747]

At 11:20 you see a safe on the left side of the door. Is that the safe that was stolen in May 2010? A security guard thwarted the robbery, fired shots, the thieves crashed their truck and fled leaving the safe hanging from a winch on their truck outside the Depository. Very strange story. Was that the safe? If so what was in it?

[@radar0412]

The safe contains The Secret Files that Exonerates Oswald, along with all the names addresses and phone numbers of the real assassins, along with actual rifles, pistols shell casings and bullets the real assassins used that day. There. Is that what you wanted to hear? 😂

[@stevenuanna4747]

@@radar0412 Nice thoughts. I was thinking the safe might contain clues as to what the “Depository” building was really used for. Possibly storage for the flotsam and jetsam that corrupt “officials” sucked out of Dallas. Honest Joe’s Pawn shop was probably on the bottom rung of the ladder that included “estates” of dead Dallas residents. Maybe drugs came into Texas here. Guns, porn...Vice. The Depository was another job Lee Harvey Oswald had and like in New Orleans he was doing something...not just stacking school book boxes.

[@MrJstew4u]

Related to captain westbrook???

[@sanangelo1983]

The last time someone rocked a combover like that was on 8 is Enough

[@marilynadams349]

Very interesting story.

[@tent7014]

Karen states the sound of the shots came from behind her. The Grassy knoll is behind her. The TSBD is to her left ???

[@gmurray96]

Classy lady. Great interview. Steve showed the photo in which she says was the moment of the first shot and his hands started to come up. Is she implying the second shot was the miss? There was no follow up about those first two shots.

[@brandtbecker1810]

Good interview. Amazing how one could get employed directly out of HS back then. Although, she admitted it was a boring job and needed more education LOL!!! Actually, I got employed right out of HS too - by Uncle Sam (-:

[@guggyp]

I grew up there in Dallas. I was there as a 4 year old that day. But it was fairly common and easy in Dallas to be employed as a Junior in High School. After high school it was easy to get a job for permanent employment there. I left and joined the service to get the GI Bill so I could get my degree

[@curbozerboomer1773]

Many of us Boomers did something like that, even though joining the service could be a deadly choice, thanks to the crazy war inViet-Nam...four of my 1965 HS classmates went over and did not come back....I stayed in college for four years, but still had to join the service (the draft), or make my own choice--I went Navy.

[@paulaharrisbaca4851]

Young women have a much different interpretation of men’s behavior than the men themselves see it. She thought he was strange, aloof, cold, while Buell Frazier thought he was quiet but very smart and loved kids. Young women tend to misunderstand intelligent and awkward young men all the time, sadly. Of course, Lee was married and probably missed his wife. Another thing...the Warren Commission made a big deal about his leaving his wedding ring at home that morning, as though it meant something. Men working in jobs involving lifting and carrying often don’t wear their rings to work, and even Safeway told all their produce employees to leave them at home, but I couldn’t take mine off, so I told them I couldn’t.

[@TvDaddyAndTheTabloidArmy]

I thought this was a man who understands simple psychology, common sense to many a man, I scrolled up and see it was a woman. a pleasant surprise, because in this One area women even skeptical, objective thinkers, Often get wrong. peace

[@peterfraser9070]

Doesn't it depend, too, on how Oswald was with Frazier, compared to how he behaved in front of others?

[@curbozerboomer1773]

There is more to the story about his leaving the ring behind!...context, in this case, is very important...do some research.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@wallacebell4311 Exactly! Thank you! Most people here love to ignore that stuff or are just strangely unaware of it.

[@tomjenkins2489]

This is one classy lady

[@knutfjeldheim9215]

The shots: « sounded like They came from behind me. “ Behind her is Mr. Zapruder on the grassy knoll filming her. So she is saying shots came from there…no doubt in her mind. Hmmm?

[@peterfraser9070]

"Behind her is Mr. Zapruder on the grassy knoll filming her. So she is saying shots came from there…no doubt in her mind.": So obviously Zapruder shot Kennedy.

[@randyharris3175]

Hey metal it was not a tour she worked in the building