Living WITHOUT a Home Charger - Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus

[@MrUpscaleman]

I live in an apartment too. I went to the landlord and asked permission to install a home charger. No problem. California law requires landlords to allow it, subject to certain conditions. Look into it. My math showed that I only had to remain here for a year to pay for itself in gas savings vs. my old Mercedes.

[@RRBish]

I'm in CA in a brand new complex. I'm the first in the unit, so it's THAT new. Do you know the actual statute, or the 'conditions'? My complex hasn't answered me about my request yet.

[@MrUpscaleman]

@@RRBish it's a quick google.

[@aaronamador]

RRBish I don’t have the exact law on hand but I know that you have to pay for the installation yourself. That’s the main challenge if you’re strapped for cash. In California as long as you say you’ll pay for the install the landlord must allow it.

[@thadlm2698]

@RRBish From my understandings it’s AB-1796 Rental Property; EV Charging Stations. As Amends the Law on November 8, 2018. Section 1. Section 1947.6 of the Civil Code. I hope this helps!

[@RRBish]

@@thadlm2698 Thanks Thad!!! I found it!!!! leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1796

[@ShadowHunter332]

Super charging does not degrade the battery. Many reports and data show that it doesn’t cause any kind of significant degradation. Safe to use particularly when you are traveling cross country. We have days from Model 3 that traveled cross country for 100K miles and charged exclusively on SC. Degradation was about 5%. Hard to say how much of that is due to SC or just battery degradation. So if that’s the case for cross country travel then how about the one who charges 2-3 times a week?? It’s completely fine. The tech and battery chemistry does a phenomenal job in maintaining your battery. Tesla is a master at this. Lastly, there are no official statements from Tesla that state SC degrades battery.

[@fudgeknuckle952]

I pulled the trigger with no plug as well. I gave my building 1 month notice that i was moving out and started looking for a new one. During the month, i brought the car to my boss's parking structure and charged it on a level 2 charger there for free and rode my board or bike home (about 3 miles) on the weekend. I'd supercharge every other week because there's a supercharger where i shop. It makes phantom drain super annoying, though. I asked my building about giving me access to a plug in the outdoor lot near the building, thinking i could get lvl 1 access. Turns out, the local utility offered $2500 to put in a level 2 - which they decided to hook up instead! FYI My electric bill is bundled with the rent and it didn't change. My car runs on free. Oh, and then they bought a "EV Chargin only sign" and put it up. I now have the best parking spot possible reserved for me myself and I (no other EV's here yet). You can charge at all buildings, outlets aren't hard and electricity is pretty cheap (especially if there are utility/government incentives).

[@Mikefngarage]

good thing they did....or that battery degradation would be serious in a few years. Charging at level 2 is GREAT.....but supercharging all the time will kill it. There is a woman who did this for a year with intentions of selling the car. first year 8% and yea that was all Degradation not software. This is why I am against forcing everyone to go electric. Especially pickup trucks for WORK....Weight is serious on range and will require daily supercharging. The woman who did this charged every 3 days. Charging every day would result in even worse Degradation. So for a pickup truck this will be a MAJOR issue. and who is paying the bill to find out this will be. NOT ME.....But for the commuter ELECTRIC IS GREAT!!!

[@SmithAndre15]

So he is totally underselling having a regular outlet to change. This is my primary method of charging. I work about 15 miles away from home (one way), and in the evenings/weekends my car is the family car. I hardly ever have to supercharge. 2k miles driven and i have supercharged 6 times total.

[@prgsim]

Thx. I've heard the same from others.

[@kryptonian7773]

(Soon to be Tesla owner) I live in apartment and my worry is that it’s recommended to charge your car constantly. Since I’ll probably only charge like once a week like yourself will that damage my battery life?

[@doriankithcart]

How much does your electric bill change charging at home each month?

[@uptawh]

but he lives in an apartment…

[@darriontunstall3708]

Great video man!!! I want a Tesla model 3 I’m going to a Special program that teach people with disabilities how to drive, I have cerebral palsy I use a walker and wheelchair

[@xnaxx900]

I hope you got the car and are enjoying yourself!

[@a.girl.has.no.name_]

Any updates??

[@baphomathedude8057]

So for people wondering. A recent study back in August has found that charging on Super Chargers as a Primary charging method does not accelerate the degradation of the battery. So if you only can supercharge, its basically just like filling up at the gas station but much slower.

[@MrGoogle87]

Noticed you do have private parking. Simply work out a deal with the landlord, makes life soo much easier. Place a Meter behind charger and be done

[@akhilyeddula6435]

Yeah and usually Tesla (or another company, forgot the name) will do it for free.

[@livingthedash6727]

@@akhilyeddula6435 elaborate? They'll do it for free? Because I'm doing exactly what he's doing right now.

[@denwaxr]

Not easy. Landlords don't want to do anything but collect the rent, they don't want you to mess with their electrical and add to their electrical. I own a model 3 and I've tried. It's at least worth a try. Good thing I have free charging at my new office since the beginning of the year. I use to do supercharger which got pretty expensive.

[@MrGoogle87]

Just begin with “i want to pay more rent” can’t see why not pay a little extra for that service

[@purplestuffs5237]

You don't worry about people stealing it?

[@richjacobsen7217]

Great information, thanks for sharing. I charge at home with standard 110 outlet and it works for my needs. The rule of thumb I was told is if you can get enough of a charge for your normal daily commute, a standard outlet is just fine. If not, you need to spring for a 240 outlet or charge outside the home.

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

Thanks Rich!

[@teslasnek]

We have 2 EVs, a Model 3 and a Ford Focus EV, and we can't charge at home either, but we live just down the street from some free level 2 public chargers we use: leave one car there, drive home in other, come back and switch. We do this once or twice a week. Works for us :)

[@KAOSKAMRYN]

Are you allowed to just leave your ev at a charging station without it getting towed

[@teslasnek]

@@KAOSKAMRYN Yes, as long as you don't leave it overnight.

[@stbr0510]

I live in an apartment right now and I charge exclusively on a 110v outlet with my Model Y. Works great. I only Supercharge on long trips and if I am near a shopping center with Volta chargers for free I will use that.

[@JohnyTechReview]

He lives in Cali. It is a nightmare if u live in another city u have 1-2 total

[@BikeTall]

I plan on buying my first EV. I currently live in a house and could install a 240v level 2 charging station...but I will be selling my house within the next 2 years and will be most likely be living in an apartment. I live on Long Island New York....and I was shocked when i did a search for level 3 DC Fast Charging stations in the area. There just are not many at all here! With the growing demand for EVs and with an EV revolution just around the corner...America needs to do a lot better to prepare! Fast charging stations will need to be as ubiquitous as gas stations to satisfy future demand. We are not ready at all.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Prior to taking delivery of a model S, I installed a NEMA 14-50 outlet in home garage and it delivered 29 mi/hr. The vehicle normally sat in the garage for 12 hours overnight so I never had a charging issue. Tesla life was grand! Then we decided to downsize and sold the home, temporarily moving into an apartment. I only considered apartments offering L2 charging. In Boston, MA, I got a Chargepoint private parking spot delivering 19 mi/hr. It is a great deal at only $20 month no matter how much electricity is used. Clearly, Robert needs to find another apartment with EV charging. If it's a "renter's" market, he should negotiate with landlord to install a L2 outlet. Otherwise, move to improve his quality of life driving a model 3.

[@jessep179]

I have access to a charge point and a 120V in my parking stall. 90% of the time I just end up using the 120V in my stall. My car sits for 12 hours a day at least in there and gets me 100+ KM a day. The supercharger method will hit you with battery degradation in two ways: 1. as you mentioned, the voltage from the supercharger will degrade your battery; 2. the ideal discharge of the batteries used from Tesla is 85% - 65% I.e., setting a charging limit on your battery and then driving less than ~100KM a day and then recharging it to 85%. So, the ideal battery upkeep of a Tesla is actually driving less than 100KM (60 miles) a day and trickle charging it every evening with a 120V (less voltage = healthier battery.) Nevertheless, it's good to hear about your experiences and glad to see that people without home charging can enjoy Tesla model 3s. It will probably only get better as Charge Point expands its network and Tesla updates optimize the batteries more.

[@untilthemoon137]

It's very easy to own one without a home charger if you have options to charge it that makes sense. I have two supercharger locations between home and work. My wife works 2 minutes away and has chargepoint since a week she might take it to charge for me. It's possible if its convenient so dont totally rule it out.

[@DirtyTesla]

Great video. Yeah I'm one of the ones that advised against getting an EV without home charging... And the amount of time you spend driving to/from on top of charging kinda reinforces that for me. I mean I agree it's amazing car and I'd sacrifice a lot to own it (I sacrificed a bunch of money 😂) but time is not one. But it also helps you live where it doesn't get cold. I'd say it's next to impossible to live with an SR+ without a home charger if you have a long commute in the winter.

[@SkippyPB.]

So true. One needs to budget for the long range model in this particular case.

[@quanghuynh5818]

I am eyeing a new Tesla too and after watching this I think I'll wait a couple of years more.

[@zackw7746]

I mean, on the other hand, you don’t fill up your gas car at home. You drive to the gas station to do so. Don’t see the difference if you are driving to a station and spending 15 minutes at a super charger.

[@bradbarney7751]

Great video. I am considering giving with a Tesla model 3. Can’t wait to get one

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

Thanks Brad!

[@theodorehaskins3756]

I’ve had my Tesla model 3 for about one year & I supercharge all the time! Think about the idea that one day your car can be used in a network of Robo taxis, so how the hell are you going to make any money if you have to either charge at home or use a destination charger rather than superchargers? That makes absolutely no damn sense! Not only that your battery pack is warranted for 8 years! So who keeps their cars for 8 years? I trade my car every 5 years whether I need to or not & this will probably be my last car because if I can call up a robo-taxi what the hell do I need a car for?

[@KhromTX]

A see many people say if you can't charge at home don't bother because you're giving up one of the number one reasons in owning a Tesla / EV. My response is, what do you do at home? Either on your phone or Netflix / watching TV. What can you do in your car? Phone or Netflix. There really isn't a big difference at the end of the day in terms of time spent.

[@Jonathantuba]

I live in the UK and here no problem charging from our 240v mains using 3-pin socket. A model 3 will gain about 9 miles an hour charge. So assuming you are home 10 hours overnight, enough charge for 90 miles driving a day - enough mileage for most people.

[@robertsemple299]

How many amps?

[@nooshiofficial]

Many people have proved this to be incorrect for LFP batteries. It does not make any notable difference whether you charge at home or supercharger. Even daily. Does not matter.

[@thienthan324]

You're brave! I have an SR+ and I used the 110v outlet. Partial peak hours are 9pm-12am, Peak hours are 12am-3pm. I tried to charge from 9pm-7am and that gives me 50 miles. This is not enough for my daily driving taking, taking into consideration AC, heater, and sentry mode. I would still need to go to the super charger every 4 days or so.

[@Mikefngarage]

Yea at least you wont wipe out the battery in 5 years with that but every 4 days is still an issue for longevity and as you proceed through the years you will need to hit the SC more so expect ER to drop and hit it even more. Starts to snowball as the car gets older.....Would consider another option. Expensive car to buy again. At least a 30a 220. but 50a would be optimal.

[@WV-HillBilly]

@@Mikefngaragemy 2018 M3LR has 109,000 miles. Exclusively supercharged (about 600 cycles) , 91.3% capacity in battery still. I think the SC thing is a myth.

[@Mikefngarage]

@@WV-HillBilly really depends on the load you carry....For instance a pickup truck loaded will need way more battery cycles. Then the range will be a lot less. As you supercharge about every day. Battery Degradation will be an issue on them. I am not buying any electric works trucks anytime soon.They need a liquid fuel alternative for them at least. Another woman I got info from had a 8% in one year because she did full cycles 100% to zero. All depends on your needed range. Maybe you dont go full cycles and charge to 80 and charge at 20. that would help a bit. but still a lot of thinking for the average person.

[@MajLeader]

We live in an apartment building and we use a 110v outlet 95% of the time. Perfectly fine. 5mi × 10hrs = 50mi.

[@8bit_nacho825]

This is what I'm doing as well! Hell, since COVID struck there are 2-3 days per day I don't even drive anywhere so 5x24 = 120 miles.

[@prerunnerwannabe]

The battery management system (BMS) in Teslas will keep track of how many KW you have charged using DC fast charging (supercharging) and after a certain amount it will start to throttle down how fast your car charges while supercharging. (Edit: I should specify that I'm not talking about the normal charge taper that happens, I mean that after a while, you won't ever get the full charging speed out of your car. Example: The SR+ Model 3 has a peak charging rate of 170kw. After a few thousand kw of supercharging, you won't get that peak speed, and eventually you might not even get 100kw peak) This is the main reason why you shouldn't supercharge as your main go-to. Eventually your charging speed will be more and more reduced in order to keep the battery in good shape.

[@gersonchica777]

Nice one thanks for this. So far I got 3,100 miles on my SR+ with a 5% degradation. I've supercharged about 80% of the time.

[@stevelovesemmy]

Junpeng Luo - she is wrong

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Steve Boedeker prove it. She did.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Steve Boedeker you’re just repeating myths u heard on the internet.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

prerunnerwannabe not true

[@riverah003]

Like your videos on SR+, great job! Not to argue either but Tesla battery range estimates is based on past recent driving conditions/habit and not battery degradation. Only Tesla can determine degradation. Nissan does show battery degradation on their Leaf in bar lost. I didn’t see my first a bar lost until after the 3rd year. The leaf has the worst track record with battery degradation and that’s often dependent on how hot of a climate you live in.

[@thelastremainingmoderate1997]

I'm glad you emphasized you're in SoCal. You have probably about 20 to 30% more chargers available per square mile than those of us out here in "flyover" country (a.k.a. the midwest). If you didn't have a Supercharger within about 50 miles or a Level 2 charger outside of a $2/hr parking garage, your opinion might change a little. But still, where there's a will, there's a way.

[@samlee6152]

I think for regular commuting, a regular outlet should be fine. Let's say you're at home 12 hours a day, and get 5 mi/hr. That's 60 miles, which is less than most people drive in a day. Even if you don't charge every night you should be fine for daily driving.

[@bd5av8r1]

My take: If you need the Supercharger, use it. :D lol geez.

[@Noksus]

The thing is, fast DC charging will wear out the battery much faster than slower AC charging. Fast DC charging will heat up the battery much more and Tesla will eventually slow down supercharging after a lot of supercharging, so realistically it's only recommended to use it when on a road trip where you absolutely need that fast speed.

[@gregthesplintercell]

Of course it's worth getting without having your own charger. Otherwise us New Yorkers wouldn't be able to buy Tesla's. It's a reality that some people live in apartments.

[@Dshowtime718]

How much charge do you loose throughout the night?

[@gregthesplintercell]

@@Dshowtime718 That depends on the cold weather outside. But it might only be 1 to 2 percent.

[@johnnguyen9048]

My same SITUATION!!!! not to many video on this issue, i feel like i was the only person that was in the same situation but im not! I appreciate this video.

[@EduardoOrz12]

So my dream of having a Tesla can wait and I should buy a house with a garage first😂

[@SkippyPB.]

Not sure which party of SoCal you are in, but over here in San Diego, most of these ChargePoint are located inside paid parking garages. These garages usually have a parking fee per hour and do not offer discounts for EVs. I’ve paid as much as $25 for a session including charging fees. Totally not worth it. Free charging is usually unavailable because people that live nearby uses these chargers as their own personal parking spots. They plug their cars in all day/ all night. Yes, this happens unfortunately. What they need to do is install chargers where street level parking is located. Home charging is still the number one solution.

[@johnyabdiasgonzalez6489]

also Robert asking your landlord or management rental company to se if they can allow you to install a wall connector to charge your car and you pay for it! just an idea.

[@douglasmartyn]

Sorry can’t agree that this is a super video. If you don’t have home charging I think people should think long and hard about spending thousands of dollars on a Tesla. Here in scotland I have a long range model and home charging that fully charges it overnight and that’s what makes it work. I have a bank of 20 new supercharger 20 minutes or so from me which would fully charge the car in an hour or get it to 80 % in 30 minutes but would I be happy to travel for 40 mins round trip and wait 1 hr on site every other day? no way. I have other local non Tesla chargers 5 miles from me but to charge with them is hours and all day or all night to fully charge. In my first two/three months I have done 4300 miles and never charged away from home except once just to see what a supercharger was like. Right now I’m in Portugal checking my app to see my car is safe and on charge at home in Scotland. That’s what having a Tesla is about for me ( apart from the fact it’s the best car I have ever ever driven) I can put up with the possibility of some range anxiety driving in the remoter parts of scotland but not when I’m at home going to bed and my Tesla is parked with no charger. Think long and hard if you can’t home charge pretty soon a little inconvenience can become a nightmare.

[@themanofmead5273]

Douglas Martyn I’m guessing you’re referring to the Perth supercharger there 🤔

[@douglasmartyn]

The Man of Mead No not Perth,Tesla has opened a whole bank of them at Eurocentral on the M8 in front of the Dakota hotel, which is convenient for a coffee or something to eat while you wait. Haven’t been to the Perth site yet.

[@trizanzor]

I live in the Bay Area, approximately 30 minutes away from San Francisco. I don't own a car and generally utilize public transit Uber and Bay Area railway transit. The condo building that I live in is just 5 minutes walking distance to the train station. Basically the vicinity that I go to such as work is at least 15 to 20 minutes away by train. I like the way I live and never own a car in my entire life. However, I'm in a dilemma during this Pandemic especially the current situation here in California. I'm shopping for a car and would like to remain green and I'm meticulously researching for the appropriate EV for my needs. Home charging is not part of my rental condo unit and I'm not keen on requesting my landlord for a plug that will increase my now $2100 1 bedroom condo. However, EV charging stations in my area is quite accessible at least 15 minutes away walking distance. Now I'm choosing whether to buy a Chevy Bolt or a Tesla.

[@Mikefngarage]

make sure the charge points dont charge for parking.......CAN BE EXPENSiVE

[@DayoAworunse]

How does software optimization decrease your battery? Doesn't that mean the software is getting worse? To me that doesn't make sense.

[@calebmeeks442]

I know what to do buy a house first, I get it though. Tesla’s are so desirable and you can make content off of them. Keep up the content brother

[@mikeyj7990]

Thanks for the info. It shows that if you do not drive a lot of miles everyday you don't really need a home charger. I on the other hand, drive 60 to 70 miles every week day to work. When I get my e car I will have to get a 240 plug. I can charge at work but I would rather have the car charged before I leave and not have to worry about charging during the day. I guess it is time for apartments to get with the future of charging.

[@ianbladuell2694]

A lot of cities also have a 6 month fee where you can use tons of 240 watt chargers around the city. Austin, Texas is one of them. Its through City of Austin Energy and is all you can charge in their charges for $25.00 for 6 months. They have well over 100 charges in the city that can charge 240 watt. Also a lot of employers offer chargers onsite. Some new apt complex also are offering charging stations for their tenants. Do your research.

[@unwin42]

I would have liked to see data supporting this video, like how often you'd charged, where, for how long. Something to give a feel for it. Maybe a followup video in a few months?

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

Great idea, Joshua!

[@bland9876]

for anyone thinking about trickle charging their car on a wall outlet I would not recommend because as soon as somebody sees that yoink and it's gone

[@Mikefngarage]

FYI most of that range loss is Batter degradation. Charging a electric car at a supercharger is not a good idea. DONT LISTEN TO THIS......please dont do it. car will last about 10 years max. after that it will have such a short range it will be useless.

[@adamrichardson2227]

I mean, cars are like an iPhone to most EV owners. Once it is not cool and new tech anymore, it goes wherever they throw last years Yeezys and buy whichever one the guy with the man bun and flip flops tells them they should buy.

[@Mikefngarage]

@@adamrichardson2227 Yea and the waste created will be a real problem when people listen to guys like this. He already stated his max ESTIMATED range is 220. Which is not REAL range. A guy who buys a truck and carries weight around like this will Ruin the batteries in a few years and real range is WAYYYY less than estimated when you do that. Hitting a supercharger 1ce a day (or level 3 ) will degrade the batter so much it will be like a Nissan leaf in a few years. There is nothing worse than a 7 year old Leaf. NO RANGE...like 30 miles.

[@adamrichardson2227]

@@Mikefngarage I don't drive a Subaru, but I do vape. I DIY it and vape pretty much all day in my office working from home. This has taught me a lot about lithium ion batteries, specifically high drain 18650 batteries, which are similar to what is used in EVs. Temperature concerns aside, these kinds of batteries are sensitive to their charge level when stored and the discharge level. If you leave it in a cold environment for an extended period, and the batteries go below a certain voltage, they are damaged. Even if they are brand new. As someone who works on his own cars, I would only consider an EV if it was modular and I could replace components with generic, off the shelf mass produced parts. People say you can replace the battery after 100-150k miles or more but the truth is that by that time, they may not even make new ones anymore. Unlike combustion car parts, finding a used battery pack is not viable. I don't want the manufacturer to tell me that I have to buy a NEW car when they want to make money off me. They underestimate how much time and money I am willing to waste to do something my way out of spite. I don't like being controlled like that.

[@FrostbitexP]

Well, if youre fast charging regularly, dont do it to 100%. Keep it to 80% and degradation will be minimal.

[@Mikefngarage]

@@FrostbitexP for a car yes that is possible but for a truck that is heavy just to have a doable range you will need to charge to 100...because the range will be terrible when it is full of weight.

[@lasanatwyman7553]

I live in an apartment too but it doesn’t have a garage but the good thing is my Car is just 40 feet from my 250 volt dryer outlet in my Landry room I just have to buy a Parkworld 886092 Dryer 4 Prong Extension Cord, 14-30 Extension Cord, EV 14-30P to 14-30R 250 volt 50 foot

[@MeteoricMarlin]

I have free charging at work and in a pinch I can plug into my 110v outlet at home. I commute 4 miles each way so it works out well for me. But I can see how it may not be ideal for everyone.

[@MrGoogle87]

Don’t worry, I rarely supercharge and am stuck with 206 miles if charged to 100% for the SR+ pretty much right after we got the car (daily charges are to 90 ofc). Tesla doesn’t do anything because warranty covers -30% not -15 for a three month old car

[@hanzelnuts8446]

Whoa 🤔. I get a consistent 210-212 miles charged at 90%. I have owned my model 3 standard range plus since May 2019.

[@MrGoogle87]

Hanzelnuts For me it’s 191 miles at 90% and the car is almost 4 months old. Battery-lottery I guess. It’s not -30% so even -29% from when you get the car is withint Tesla specs. It’s been like this pretty much since the start and I never go really too low or above 90... It’s all bad luck it seems

[@hanzelnuts8446]

@@MrGoogle87 Did you get a chance to bring this up to Tesla the first few weeks of owning the car?

[@stevelovesemmy]

That seems extremely low, I charge at home (to 90% almost daily) and get anywhere from 205-210 depending on temperature. At 100%, still getting an estimate of 231-233. When I first got the car, estimate was 236/237 at 100%, so I have personally seen very little change but I rarely supercharge (road trips only). Those estimates are nowhere close to real world miles in Texas, where most highways allow 70 mph. I can count on 170 miles on a road trip which is just the right amount for bathroom breaks and supercharger stops.

[@MrGoogle87]

Hanzelnuts Yes, after 3-4weeks I planned service (due to NL being super busy) had to wait 6-7weeks before I could come to service center, last december got sent away: “battery has no errors, specific warranty check website for -30% warranty, current capacity is secret and never disclosed bu Tesla” that’s my unfortunate story with my dreamcar, model 3..

[@GK25x]

I’m about to get my M3. I still live at home, but I work full time and there are a few super chargers at my work. I wouldn’t have an at home unit just due to space. Also subscribed for you being so close to me. I’m in the IE 🤩

[@jtkrpm1]

Right now I'm charging here and there at level two chargers, then on the week end I plug it in via a extension cord 120, or park at a public charger most of the day then come back and get it.

[@jdear97]

Overnight, I normally get 45 to 50 miles of range on a wall plug. On a day where I don't take the car out I can get 75 to eighty miles. Most of the time it is more then enough.

[@davidroddini1512]

Definitely would not work for me. My apartment doesn’t have a garage or even outside outlets. They won’t install one, let alone a charging station. My employer does not have enough parking as it is without designating some for charging. I used the plug share app and all the chargers within 50 miles of my apartment are private. The best I could hope for is a plug-in hybrid. So if I can somehow find a spot to charge it’s an option but it would mostly be powered by regenerative braking.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

I'm going to assume the topic of "don't use superchargers all the time" wasn't fully understood at the time of this video, but just for the information of future viewers, Tesla has stated quite clearly that frequent supercharger use while it does not degrade the battery, the car will PERMANENTLY down rate to charging SPEED after too much use in order to protect the battery. So by using it all the time you will charge slower after awhile, and that means when you go on a REAL trip you will have slower chargers.

[@Frank71]

I have a question. With your point in mind. Can you slow down ur charging speed at supercharged to preserve your speed for cross country road trips. Can you get an adapter to use other DCFC chargers with 25 kwh or 50 kwh caps?

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@Frank71 It is a good question and one I've asked as well but don't have an answer sadly. I haven't yet taken delivery of my Tesla so I can't test it personally. Soon!

[@1993eML]

I live in Sweden, im waiting to get approved to get a home charger installed into my apartment. I have a SuC 3minutes from my home. And 5 free charging stations around my City here. And ALSO have free charging at Work. I hope this will work in the beginning, IF I place an order the up coming 2 months. :) great channel! new SUB! :) greetings from Sweden

[@MarkUnique]

So, 40 minutes round-trip 1-2 times per week - how much charging time per visit and what are you doing while the car is charging?

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

It depends on how much of a charge I need. Typically I’m at the charger for 30 min or so. I work from home a few days a week so usually I’ve got a project I’m working on. Sometimes some Netflix and KZbin.

[@zorbok70]

@@gags730 law actually requires a landlord (or apartment business) to allow a resident to install a home charger for their EV. Tesla will actually go out and do it for free if you clear it with the homeowner/landlord first... I don't really get how you can look at something like the roadster- a base-model car that goes 0-60 in 1.9s, with 250+ max speed, 600+ miles of range on one charge, and it looks slick as hell.. and thats the base model. (all with no emissions) - i don't get how you can look at that and think "the technology isn't there." Also it drives itself- which is very common now and btw, I'm not like a lot of these guys here that freak tf out over every tesla and go nuts all over each other. I'm just looking at the facts. These cars are faster, quieter, smarter, and more advanced than anything on the road right now. also the safest car ever.. And you're saying this isn't forward progress? ok.

[@MHdollrevievs]

Gags We have the same car,But we have a home charger,We charge at night when we sleep 😴 just set the time when we want to leave and the car is charged. Almost never change on public charging (99% at home) and only use the super charger network on road trips. We live in Calgary Canada were it can get to -35c plus windchill and the Tesla Model 3 SR+ was flawless last winter(Car is pre heated before we leave the house 😎) With the Tesla I don’t waist time going to get the Oil changed or even going to get a service done like with ICE cars/trucks.

[@jeffbransky6499]

Re Supercharging. I wonder if Supercharging a little bit at each session will treat the battery better. Let’s say you go from 20% to 40%. Is that easier on the battery than charging from 20% to 60% or 80%? I’m talking about charging around your home for day in and day out use. Charging on a trip is a different story. However, savvy Tesla owners only charge for 20 to 30 minutes on trips but more often than people who think they need to charge to 80 or 100% all the time, mainly because this saves time since charging rate slows way down after 50% or 60%.

[@wewk584]

Most people under 35 still rent apartments. Electric can only be the only option if people can use it like an ICE but with charge instead of gas. People making it sound like setting up charging when you live in an apartment is trivial or even nontrivial but posible are not being truthful. Especially if you live outside of CA. Electric MUST be convenient for renters to have a chance of mass adoption.

[@wetzel82]

I live in SoCal as well, I live in apartments. I don’t have my model 3 yet but I’m expecting to charge on a supercharger for my normal charge. I’m planning on keeping mine for a long time so I’m hoping it does not degrade the battery too much but I mean, it’s all I have so.

[@southjester]

I want a Model 3 but I live in Michigan and there's only one supercharger near me in like a 100mi radius, and theres no chargers up north which I do alot!

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Have you watched Chris on the DirtyTesla YT channel. He lives your way and maybe able to give you some pointers.

[@michaelschuster4869]

Download the Plugshare App, it will show all other EV chargers in your area. Many are free but will only charge at a rate of 20-30 mi/ range per hr.

[@southjester]

Jean-Pierre White Yeah I watched some of his stuff but Ill have to check some more videos of him out

[@southjester]

Michael Schuster Thanks for the pointer! Ill have to download that for sure

[@MarkUnique]

@@southjester DirtyTesla could only make it work by installing a home charger. He did a test and couldn't last a week on standard outlet charging. Obviously it depends on your daily mileage.

[@LuisRodriguez-pz9xj]

There’s 4 Chargepoint chargers down the street from me. I drop the car off after work and scooter home in about 2 min lol. I have the ability to use the 5-14 Nema connector but it’s too slow

[@Mikefngarage]

I WOULD NOT BUY A TESLA WITHOUT AT LEAST A 220 OUTLET.....You will waste your money on a expensive boat anchor in 10 years. or if you dont drive much then what is the point.

[@kalomeon]

So pretty much you have to spend a bunch of time not at home, when not also working or sleeping. Tesla's suck for people in. Apartments, case closed.

[@Timtimzi]

i live in a townhouse with shared garage spaces.... yeah i need to get an outlet installed/repaired. curious if they can upgrade it to a 240v. If so, free charging for my future Tesla!!!!! My next concern would be thieves trying to steal the charging cord.

[@nickobergshow]

Thankfully the Tesla cable locks in and can only be taken out if you (and your phone/key card) are near it :)

[@Cardinals_garden]

Skip the Tesla and save time because time is money

[@demariushenderson1802]

I haven’t had any issues so far charging my SRP, while living in an apartment with no place to plug in. There are an abundance of places to charge my car around Atlanta, including Tesla Destination chargers at the gym I use for working out.

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

Perfect solution!

[@MHdollrevievs]

Bjorn compared his Tesla Model 3 witch has been Super charged like crazy to a Model 3 witch almost never gets super charged. He found out his battery took a 10% drop were the other car had less than half that similar miles. Not having a home charger would suck big time. If you can’t get a charger or a welder plug installed I would move.

[@tungvu7487]

He makes a video to justify his own course of action. A bit of validation helps his mental...

[@NikoMalana]

I have been still looking for info regarding supercharging at least once a week. I know this video is a few years old already but wanted to see if anyone has gotten confirmation? I have asked an associate at Tesla and they said it is fine to supercharge once a week. Just not daily. So long you keep within the 90%?

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Anyone know what the "etiquette" is when auto dealerships/service centers for NON Tesla cars have charge points if you want to use them for your Tesla?

[@Omikoshi78]

Sounds exhausting

[@MediumDSpeaks]

I live in an apartment, but I invested in Tesla stock and got lucky with some Tesla options this year and got enough cash to purchase a Tesla which was always this lofty, unrealistic goal for me. I pay about $25-35 a week in supercharging. I didn't know you weren't supposed to only charge at super chargers, that sucks! Fuck I just really couldn't want any other car and I live in Miami so there are 5 superchargers within 10 miles of my apartment and dozens of off brand and Blink (GET THEIR STOCK!) chargers everywhere. Should I buy the $625 home charger for my apartment?

[@carlosguzman-md2mt]

even if you have to rent a garage or storage space its worth the effort

[@graffmixer]

I LOVE EV's but I don't think I want to spend the time waiting for the car to charge. Rather just have a home charge instead

[@stevencorrea7982]

I have a Kia soul EV capable of fast charging DC fast charging. And does not have water cooling capability. Has a battery management system. I wouldn't use that fast charger all the time on my car. But you have a Tesla water-cooled battery I don't see the big deal. The main thing about the batteries is the heat destroys.

[@darmou]

Do you have access to an urban supercharger? They tend to be lower speed charging but better for the battery. That's what I use. Also, Volta chargers are free at some shopping centers.

[@djwarren5081]

Very helpful. Thanks for posting. Considering a Long Range or Performance as my next vehicle, and I live in an apartment.

[@aritweets]

is there not a chagepoint near your apartment you can use to walk to and from home?

[@toucaustralia4590]

Using super charger for long time will damage the battery?

[@chadcalhoun6172]

No Tesla Needs a Charger !!!! The car already has an on board charger. You don't need a charger, just a nema 14 30 outlet which charges as quickly as a Tesla Connector.

[@vce.john1734]

I live in a house now I might do Tesla charging at home when I’m not going anywhere I can have it plug in at home

[@shawn2296]

so im in your situation. i cant charge at home how you manage the battery? you charge only when you reach 20%? or do you charge any given moment using L2 charging

[@CharlesCo918]

If you wake up early, and have your caffeinated beverage of choice while charging, will the station be crowded at 6am in a busy place like that?

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

No, at 6AM it should be pretty open.

[@jodondo3417]

Wow, i want to take my mustang and do doughnuts at a charging station on the weekend laughing at people waiting

[@raiden000]

where i live id practically need a portable generator to keep the car on the road if i couldn't plug in at night. i can see Manhattan on the horizon from my appts parking lot, im not exactly in the middle of nowhere here... closest supercharger is 40 minutes one way, route is super subject to traffic, and the only lvl 2 chargers between me and there are at car dealers, not exactly just gonna pop in and use those ones... so if i do get a new car soon, i really want to, its likely gonna be a Prius prime, not a model 3, as much as id much prefer the tesla. im gonna ask my landlord if i can plug in just for lvl 1 charging as thats more than enough for my needs, if he sais no im sol however.

[@DanLemire]

I live in a small town in Ontario.. no chargers ..no super chargers near me. We were planning on a Tesla for next year. My Dodge Durango is sucking gas like a mofo Having seconds thoughts about buying

[@bland9876]

That's such a weird idea to have the tail light flip up and that's where you "fill we up"

[@azalex91]

20 minutes away??? That with charging can be and hour and a half ugh. I want one but won’t till I get a house

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

There are definitely some ways to kill time while charging, but it’s certainly not as convenient.

[@khunpan33]

Living in apartment like mine.But I am not even have a Tesla. Future plan if it come to Thailand officially.

[@domesp4943]

Is your car the rear wheel drive? I’m buying it too but is it still fast?

[@flamingstag2381]

huge prob as sales increase , i can see a time with parking tickets 4 those who overstay once fully charged , tech needs 2 fast forward with induction built into the roads & the underside of the vehicles

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Flaming Stag Tesla will charge a fee for staying after your car is finished charging. It can be as high as $1.00 per minute.

[@rinosaint]

Superb Tesla model 3 videos! Keep up the great content mate.

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

Thank you Rino!

[@kingarchnyc]

Always be the majority, don’t do anything in a extreme way. If majority have home charger, get home charger.

[@richardackley1823]

I run a 240 extension cord to my Model 3 from my front door. Charges ~30 mph.

[@justabrake]

So how long does it take to fully charge from 0-to full

[@richardackley1823]

Well it recharges about 30 miles in an hour. So if I’ve driven 150 miles, it will take 5 hours to fully charge.

[@justabrake]

Richard Ackley That’s not bad at all Thanks

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Steven Randolph Remember NO one is at 0 and NO one charges to full unless they are on a road trip.

[@abigailsuarez8179]

I have a charging port at work charges 5 times a day for 8 hours each day

[@bkfinestmark]

in new york almost every super charger is in a parking garage u have to pay for plus the supercharger so its not really convenient

[@Neroi21]

Super charge at green acres mall out side

[@sleonidas3605]

Nero Stone is it free though? also where exactly? like by the walmart?

[@benharris2490]

Great video. But if you lived where I do in Mississippi if you can't home charge you gonna drive awhile to find a charger and I doubt it's a supercharger. I don't own a Tesla but considering it.

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

Check out PlugShare. There might be some public chargers near you.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Do you have a house or apartment?

[@benharris2490]

I own a house but I wasn't talking about me. Just about the area.

[@Tacocat123]

Supercharging is not really that small of a fee

[@SollomonTheWise]

EV haters gonna hate

[@mken23]

Eventually they will slow down your charging speeds if you supercharge too much.

[@zachattack83]

Mathew Kennedy a lot of people are reporting this to be False with the m3. The model s yes but not so much with this car. Although this seams to negate the reason for getting an electric. Lol

[@JoseDiaz-ph4sl]

There is none, outside private parking in New York City :(

[@TheRotorhound]

Let's reverse the situation. Make believe that you could charge your car within your apartment or within 2-3 blocks from your house but the nearest gas station was hours away. Would you buy a gas powered vehicle? Damn, I wouldn't. I can't see why you bought an ev.

[@traviswieser]

You're forgetting the fact that it's an amazing driving experience, better for the environment, and constantly improving with the tech inside the car.

[@TheRotorhound]

@@traviswieser Drive for 3 hours, charge for 1. 25% of your experience is waiting for a charge. Better for the environment, where does that battery come from. Lithium mine with children mining it may not agree. If EV didn’t have a tax break would it succeed? Take the tax credit away and let the market decide.

[@traviswieser]

@@TheRotorhound you forget about the several auto bailouts?

[@TheRotorhound]

@@traviswieser I would have let those companies go under. EV are rich people cars supported by poor people who don’t get a tax credit but with their taxes pay for it. If EV are superior than let the free market decide. I don’t mind if you buy one but please don’t make me pay for your $10,000 tax credit. My brother has one in California and had to escape the wildfires last year with his gasoline powered vehicles as his electricity was turned off.

[@traviswieser]

@@TheRotorhound there is no more tax credit for Teslas

[@peacetheory5544]

I’ve been wondering how this works, being that I’m a boujie condo-person

[@chapawapa9736]

Kittyyy

[@happyhippo1710]

@Robert Rosenfeld How do you find a level 2 free charging location?

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

PlugShare

[@tylermaloney2720]

What's the charging etiquette like? For example, the office I work at doesn't have electric charging but the office next to us does. Would it be fine to charge there while at work or would it be reserved for the other building?

[@RobertRosenfeld1]

If it’s open and there isn’t a sign explicitly stating it’s reserved, I think it’s absolutely acceptable to use it. The office I work at has a number of ChargePoint systems around the complex. Open to anyone, including the public.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Can’t hurt to ask